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Jimmy Butler

Jimmy Butler is having a terrific game against the Heat tonight.

During halftime, Bill Simmons, Jalen Rose, and Wilbon brought up the possibility of Luol Deng being traded and Carlos Boozer being amnestied this offseason and starting both Butler and Gibson.

Not only would this be a youth move but it would also be a cheaper option and Luol Deng's value will never be higher. The Bulls would save money and with the leftover cash, they can really strengthen their bench.

And if the Bulls want to stay in "win-now" mode without skipping a beat, what about trading Luol Deng for Pau Gasol?

What are your thoughts on Jimmy Butler? Is he ready to be a starter for this team? Is Luol Deng somewhat expendable? Could we see a roster overhaul next season with only Noah, Butler, Gibson and Rose as cornerstones?


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I would start him at the 2.

I would start him at the 2. Him and Deng as wing defenders can really be trouble.

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he's getting 40mins a game, i

he's getting 40mins a game, i wouldn't call him expandable. gibson and butler are good backups but not starters. even if they strengthen the bench they still look weak with that line up if they gave up on deng and boozer for bench players. for me i still think they can contend with this lineup + drose

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Can Deng for Gasol?

Can the trade for Deng and Gasol be worked out numbers wise? If so, that would be a really interesting trade to consider. The Lakers need to get rid of Gasol after this season. He costs too much and will not be of mass production for them moving forward with Dwight. They need young guys, defensive minds, athleticism. Deng can be GREAT for them, whether he starts at the 3 or 4. A long great defensive player on the court with Dwight will be an instant upgrade on that side of the ball.
As for the Bulls, Jimmy Butler could be their permanent 3, and Pau Gasol will be their 1st option Big. Although he's not great defensively, that area will be countered with Noah lining up on side of him. I didnt watch the halftime show, so I dont know who mentioned this possible trade, but I like it alot for both teams.

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It would probably have to be

It would probably have to be Rip Hamilton + Luol Deng for Pau Gasol but regardless, Gasol would be a great 2nd option next to Rose and having two 7fters never hurts anybody.

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I really like Loul Deng's

I really like Loul Deng's game, but I love that tade. Noah & Gasol next to each other is a great frontline.

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If the Bulls trade

If the Bulls trade Deng/Hamilton for Gasol, amnesty Boozer, resign Bellineli/Robinson, and sign a guy like Corey Brewer for the MLE, draft Jeff Withey they can move forward with a line-up of:

Rose - Robinson - Teague
Hinrich - Belinelli
Butler - Brewer
Gasol - Gibson - Thomas
Noah - Withey

Not only would they save about 10mil, but they stay competitive and have a better defensive team off the bench.

Obviously it's a huge stretch but what I'm trying to point out is that the Bulls can slowly get younger while not skipping a beat in terms of becoming a contender.

Their current line-up's age is 27.8.
The roster I put up, their average age is 26.1.

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Depends on the trade I guess.

Depends on the trade I guess. Deng is valuable to the Bulls and they shouldn't get rid of him just because they may have found someone else who offers similar things on the court. They should only deal him if they think they are going to get better from it.

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Pau (deteriorating health/skill) not a good fit with the Bulls

For all the people posting about how good Pau would be on the team, have you forgotten how he has gotten worse in every facet this year? He is loosing his health and his game day by day. I do not see why the Bulls would want to part with Deng either.... I think he is a good 3rd/2nd scoring option on a contending team. He also plays good defense and is durable.
Boozer on the other hand is being paid too much for what he brings to the table, but it would not be easy to get quality assets in return for his contract.
The current Bulls team with a healthy Derrick Rose is a championship contender.
If they can't flip Boozer for some youth, they may have to stick it out with this roster with some tweaks here and there (at sg and center) and make their push for the championship with this roster.
I think they could use upgrades at sg and backup center. Richard Hamilton and Nazr Mohammed will not help win a championship.
Jimmy Butler is a great up and comer, but taking him off the reserve squad really hurts the bench.
They just need to make him their consistent 6th man along with Taj Gibson (while Boozer is around) and give him a bunch more minutes.
I don't know how this would really work, but I would love to see Al Horford paired up with his college mate Noah.
With the Bulls current standing in the 2013 draft they should go for either Tim Hardaway Jr., Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, or Jamaal Franklin at SG, or Rudy Gobert at C. Gobert is young, skinny, and raw, but has finishing ability, athleticism, and a serious motor.

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Luol's probably their most

Luol's probably their most attractive trade asset. With the minutes he piles up and the fact that he pretty much plays yr round, and has been doing so on a wrist that needed surgery, you'd figure there'd be a lot of wear and tear with Luol. IDK about trading for Gasol though because he looks like damaged goods. His knees are breaking down, he's lost more than a step and he barely gets any lift anymore.

I don't see the Bulls amnestying Boozer this summer either. Reinsdorf isn't the type to just pay players to go away unless the player is an absolute zero like Eddie Robinson.

As for Butler, I like the way he looks at the 2. Why not? He can defend either wing position. His shooting needs to improve as does his handle, but I can see him possibly starting and being a lock down defender who can chip in low double digit points. He's also a factor on the o-glass as well. Keep Butler, Belinelli, Hinrich (who can play some 2) and draft another 2 who can shoot and the Bulls will have their 2 locked up. It might not be a sexy route, but at full strength I don't think this team is that far away anyways.

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While I'm not saying they

While I'm not saying they need to trade Deng for Gasol, I'm just trying to point out that Deng is a very good trade asset.

He's been playing 40 minutes a game for nearly 4 season now and he's going to be 28 by the time next season starts, entering a contract year. If you're every going to trade him, it's going to be right now.

They can play Jimmy Butler at the 2-guard and have a very good line-up but the Bulls have a very weak and injury prone bench. Moving Butler as a starter would only weaken their bench.

The only reason I brought up amnestying Boozer is because paying Gibson 7m-8m a year to be a backup is a lot of money, you'd think they'd expect him to be the starter someday.

All I'm trying to point out is Deng could be traded for 2 or even 3 quality players to help boost the Bulls bench as well as find that elusive 2-guard to pair with Rose, all while saving some money. Trading Deng could get you a quality SG, backup PF, and a backup SF. Therefore, making Boozer expendable and starting Butler and Gibson while strengthening their bench.

He doesn't NEED to be moved, but the chance is there if the Bulls can find a nice trade to pull the trigger on.

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When the Bulls have their

When the Bulls have their full complement of players I don't think their bench is that bad. Taj is obviously a high level back up. He's one of the best and most versatile big man defenders in the league. I don't necessarily view him as just a back up though. He's more of a 6th starter type, capable of playing 30 minutes off the bench and being a high impact player. To me he's essentially their 6th man. The Bulls' lack of a 4th big also allows Taj to play up to his contract value since he essentially backs up both big man positions. They'll have Hinrich too, and despite his numbers, to me is a quality back up as well given his defensive versatility and intangibles. I don't know if they'll be able to retain Belinelli, but he's been a valuable part of the team as well. He's not quite the shooter that Korver was, but he's more dynamic in terms of creating his own shot and handling the ball. Nate Robinson has been good, albeit erratic, all yr and has filled in the SL when needed. He's streaky, but he can provide scoring and breakdown-ability that was sorely needed on the team with Rose out. The bench isn't as good as when they had the Bench Mob, but keeping that group together was not financially feasible. If they were at full strength, which they haven't been all yr, their bench would have looked much better than it does currently.

As a Bulls' fan, I'm not opposed to trading Deng, but if they do, I'd like to see more value coming back. Gasol this yr has looked like he's on his last legs as an impact player.

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I know I will get neged for

I know I will get neged for this but if you are going to trade Deng why not look for a much younger player. The Bulls need to find a way to get another star. FA's just don't want to come to Chicago unless they overpay for them like offering a max deal to Boozer. Being a playoff team doesn't allow the Bulls to get top level talent in the draft and by the time they get the Bobcats pick their team will be old (minutes wise) and likely they will need more pieces then. I know it would put a lot of pressure on Tibbs and it could blow up in the Bulls face but why not think big. Call Sacramento and ask about Cousins. I know salaries are far apart. Somehow the Bulls are going to need another legit star and I just don't see Gasol
being valuable in a year or two.

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D'Antoni's driving Pau

D'Antoni's driving Pau Gasol's trade value down too, so that helps.

I was under the impression they would amnesty Boozer because Gibson's way too pricey to be a backup. But then again, they let Asik walk last summer. Ugh.

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Whether they get Pau or not

Whether they get Pau or not they need to stay big and exploit Miami's one major weakness.

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