[slash787Participant]

He looks like he will get a bulk of the minutes as a back up for both Favors and Kanter. He has shown solid per minute production. Considering the Jazz have basically nothing to back up Kanter and Favors at the moment is it safe to say Evans gets 20-25 MPG this season? He put up a nice double double in their first preseason game. (yes I know it’s preseason). When you look at the current roster I can’t see them giving Rudy Gobert big minutes off the bat and Andris Biedrins is just awful.

Jeremy Evans semi breakout year and gets over paid when he hits the market?

[GrandmamaParticipant]

No, I don’t see him getting many minutes, having a breakout year, or getting much money when he hits the market.

[GrandmamaParticipant]

No, I don’t see him getting many minutes, having a breakout year, or getting much money when he hits the market.

[Malik-UniversalParticipant]

I don’t even know if this guy is left handed or right handed cuz all he knows how to do is dunk

[Malik-UniversalParticipant]

I don’t even know if this guy is left handed or right handed cuz all he knows how to do is dunk

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

I think Evans will average about 10-12 minutes maybe. He’ll be given a chance to play considering the Jazz will basically be dedicated to playing their young players this season.

I wouldn’t expect a breakout season or anything though. He’s not that good.

[slash787Participant]

When I say semi break out above I’m guessing 19 mpg 7 ppg 5 rpg 1 blk 55% fg. If you look at the jazz they have nothing behind Kanter and Favors. Someone has to get the minutes and I’m guessing Evans is that guy and puts up efficient numbers in the process.

[slash787Participant]

When I say semi break out above I’m guessing 19 mpg 7 ppg 5 rpg 1 blk 55% fg. If you look at the jazz they have nothing behind Kanter and Favors. Someone has to get the minutes and I’m guessing Evans is that guy and puts up efficient numbers in the process.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

I think Evans will average about 10-12 minutes maybe. He’ll be given a chance to play considering the Jazz will basically be dedicated to playing their young players this season.

I wouldn’t expect a breakout season or anything though. He’s not that good.

[CodySLCParticipant]

He’s still skinny for the pf position, but has put on some muscle and from the looks of it really improved his mid range J. With his elite athletic ability he’s always been a good rebounder and shot blocker. He could be an underrated energy guy off the bench for the Jazz, and will be getting the backup pf minutes. I could see him averaging 5ppg and 5rpg with 1-1.5 bpg in about 15mpg.

[CodySLCParticipant]

He’s still skinny for the pf position, but has put on some muscle and from the looks of it really improved his mid range J. With his elite athletic ability he’s always been a good rebounder and shot blocker. He could be an underrated energy guy off the bench for the Jazz, and will be getting the backup pf minutes. I could see him averaging 5ppg and 5rpg with 1-1.5 bpg in about 15mpg.

[thparadoxParticipant]

He’s extremely athletic. A very good shotblocker. And a great finisher of lobs. He also doesn’t take many outside shots… he knows his role.

I would love to see him get 20 mpg. Extending his per minute numbers over that length of time would certainly be a “breakout”. It’s all relative.

He can definitely be a “Birdman” type for 20 minutes. That can be an extremely useful and effective role… ask the Nuggets and Heat

[thparadoxParticipant]

He’s extremely athletic. A very good shotblocker. And a great finisher of lobs. He also doesn’t take many outside shots… he knows his role.

I would love to see him get 20 mpg. Extending his per minute numbers over that length of time would certainly be a “breakout”. It’s all relative.

He can definitely be a “Birdman” type for 20 minutes. That can be an extremely useful and effective role… ask the Nuggets and Heat

[JoeWolf1]

Jeremy Evans, as a 25 mpg player can probably get you 8 points 6 rebounds and a block and a half, but he’s still not the caliber of player that a good team would want to play 25 mpg for a season. He’ll fill in and produce at his highest level so far, but I don’t think his open market value changes a whole lot.

I liken it to Dickey Simpkins going from a 10 mpg player to a 29 mpg player when the Bulls completely rebuilt. The Bulls were bad, he filled in to the best of his ability and put up a decent 9 points 6.8 rebounds but it didn’t make him a higher name free agent. He was still the same player, just getting more minutes as his team lost games.

Evans has nice length and athletic ability, and is probably a better and more desirable NBA player than Simpkins, but I don’t think he’s going to blow up on the free agent market. He’ll probably go back to the role he played during his first three seasons, when Utah brings in a better big man or when another team signs him to be their 2nd or 3rd big off the bench…not the first, no matter what role he plays in 2013-2014.

[slash787Participant]

Based on the new salary cap structure of the league and with teams being forced to spend X amount of money per year I can see a team overpaying Evans. I’m not saying he will get a $20 million dollar contract but I can see him getting $12 million over 3 or 4 years which is more than he is worth in my opinion.

Based on his per minute production and inevitable increased minutes this season I can see him over performing and getting over paid relative to his value by a team that needs to spend money. It would not be the first time this happens or the last time.

[JoeWolf1]

Well, he already makes 1.8 million a year and is under contract for the 2014-15 season too. I agree, 4 million a year is more than I deem his market value, but he’s going to have to really prove himself 2 years in a row to get a bigger deal. If Utah grabs a highly touted PF in the 2014 draft, or brings in a free agent to back up Kanter and Favors, then his role is going to go back down and he looks more like a 2 million a year option.

A team would be idiotic to lock up Evans for 3 years at 4 million a year, 4 years at 3 million isn’t bad, but it’s a longer term investment than most bench players see. Did you look at his fouls per 36 minutes? 5 per game. Fouling that much is going to result in inconsistency on the court. Sure, he may have 12 points and 8 rebounds one night, but he might be glued to the bench the next game after picking up 2 quick fouls at the beginning of each half. Marvin Williams will be back in January, and Jeremy Evans just isn’t that good.

Most guys in the NBA are all good enough to put up at least decent numbers if they get a bigger role, but he’ll be doing so on a team that has virtually no depth at his position. Other teams will know that and understand he’s at best a 15 mpg player for a better squad, or even another lotto team with better depth.

[slash787Participant]

How do we know that Jeremy Evans isn’t that good when he hasn’t played any minutes. He was drafted by the Jazz and was behind Al Jefferson and Paul Millsap. Then Kanter and Favors were brought in a year later. All of these players are better talents by far than Evans and deserve to play more than him but how can you say he is a bum when he hasn’t had an opportunity to play. There are a lot of players that got no playing time and when given the opportunity stepped up. Tobias Harris and Larry Sanders for example. I’m not saying this is going to happen or that Evans is on their level but how do you know considering he has played 9, 7, and 5mpg in the years he’s been in the league on a team STACKED at the position he plays.

Why would the Jazz play Evans his previous 3 season when they have Jefferson, Favors, Kaner, and Millsap on the roster? Put a guy like Larry Sanders on that team and how many minutes does he get? Based on this how can you say that Evans can’t play when in fact he’s never had a real opportunity to play? This is his first real opportunity to play and if he does nothing with the time he gets then yes he’s a bum but how can you call him a bum when he’s never had an opportunity to play because he was buried on the depth chart. There are countless examples of guys that produced when given the opportunity after doing relatively nothing there first couple of seasons. Jeremy Lin, Tobias Harris, Larry Sanders, Danny Green all come to mind that did basically nothing their first few seasons then got playing time and rose to the occasion.

[JoeWolf1]

You said the word bum, not me. I projected the guy at 8 and 6 per 25 minutes, but I don’t think he’s the caliber of player that will do that on any other team in the league. A lot of the time it’s not whether a guy can play or not, it’s whether he’s better than the guys on his team that play the same position. Evans will get a shot this year, and my guess is that he’ll play better, in my opinion, I don’t think he’s a guy that will be better than everyone or all but one at his position going forward, but rather a 2nd or 3rd big off the bench.

You may think he’s the next Larry Sanders, but assuming a guy will break out based on 6 mpg the previous year is the same leap of faith as assuming he won’t. The sample size is small, you have your opinion and I have mine, but I never said bum. It’s not a term I use when talking about ball players in the most talented league on earth.

[slash787Participant]

Ok well you said that Evans “is not that good” and you can replace that in the above paragraph. How do you know he’s not that good if he’s been buried on a depth chart behind Millsap, Favors, Kanter, and Jefferson. He hasn’t had an opportunity to play more than 10mpg. I’m not saying he’s Larry Sanders by any means. I am saying Larry Sanders was in a similar situation to Evans and when given the opportunity proved he can play. I think Evans will to a less extent than Sanders show he can play when given minutes.

[slash787Participant]

Ok well you said that Evans “is not that good” and you can replace that in the above paragraph. How do you know he’s not that good if he’s been buried on a depth chart behind Millsap, Favors, Kanter, and Jefferson. He hasn’t had an opportunity to play more than 10mpg. I’m not saying he’s Larry Sanders by any means. I am saying Larry Sanders was in a similar situation to Evans and when given the opportunity proved he can play. I think Evans will to a less extent than Sanders show he can play when given minutes.

[JoeWolf1]

You said the word bum, not me. I projected the guy at 8 and 6 per 25 minutes, but I don’t think he’s the caliber of player that will do that on any other team in the league. A lot of the time it’s not whether a guy can play or not, it’s whether he’s better than the guys on his team that play the same position. Evans will get a shot this year, and my guess is that he’ll play better, in my opinion, I don’t think he’s a guy that will be better than everyone or all but one at his position going forward, but rather a 2nd or 3rd big off the bench.

You may think he’s the next Larry Sanders, but assuming a guy will break out based on 6 mpg the previous year is the same leap of faith as assuming he won’t. The sample size is small, you have your opinion and I have mine, but I never said bum. It’s not a term I use when talking about ball players in the most talented league on earth.

[slash787Participant]

How do we know that Jeremy Evans isn’t that good when he hasn’t played any minutes. He was drafted by the Jazz and was behind Al Jefferson and Paul Millsap. Then Kanter and Favors were brought in a year later. All of these players are better talents by far than Evans and deserve to play more than him but how can you say he is a bum when he hasn’t had an opportunity to play. There are a lot of players that got no playing time and when given the opportunity stepped up. Tobias Harris and Larry Sanders for example. I’m not saying this is going to happen or that Evans is on their level but how do you know considering he has played 9, 7, and 5mpg in the years he’s been in the league on a team STACKED at the position he plays.

Why would the Jazz play Evans his previous 3 season when they have Jefferson, Favors, Kaner, and Millsap on the roster? Put a guy like Larry Sanders on that team and how many minutes does he get? Based on this how can you say that Evans can’t play when in fact he’s never had a real opportunity to play? This is his first real opportunity to play and if he does nothing with the time he gets then yes he’s a bum but how can you call him a bum when he’s never had an opportunity to play because he was buried on the depth chart. There are countless examples of guys that produced when given the opportunity after doing relatively nothing there first couple of seasons. Jeremy Lin, Tobias Harris, Larry Sanders, Danny Green all come to mind that did basically nothing their first few seasons then got playing time and rose to the occasion.

[JoeWolf1]

Well, he already makes 1.8 million a year and is under contract for the 2014-15 season too. I agree, 4 million a year is more than I deem his market value, but he’s going to have to really prove himself 2 years in a row to get a bigger deal. If Utah grabs a highly touted PF in the 2014 draft, or brings in a free agent to back up Kanter and Favors, then his role is going to go back down and he looks more like a 2 million a year option.

A team would be idiotic to lock up Evans for 3 years at 4 million a year, 4 years at 3 million isn’t bad, but it’s a longer term investment than most bench players see. Did you look at his fouls per 36 minutes? 5 per game. Fouling that much is going to result in inconsistency on the court. Sure, he may have 12 points and 8 rebounds one night, but he might be glued to the bench the next game after picking up 2 quick fouls at the beginning of each half. Marvin Williams will be back in January, and Jeremy Evans just isn’t that good.

Most guys in the NBA are all good enough to put up at least decent numbers if they get a bigger role, but he’ll be doing so on a team that has virtually no depth at his position. Other teams will know that and understand he’s at best a 15 mpg player for a better squad, or even another lotto team with better depth.

[slash787Participant]

Based on the new salary cap structure of the league and with teams being forced to spend X amount of money per year I can see a team overpaying Evans. I’m not saying he will get a $20 million dollar contract but I can see him getting $12 million over 3 or 4 years which is more than he is worth in my opinion.

Based on his per minute production and inevitable increased minutes this season I can see him over performing and getting over paid relative to his value by a team that needs to spend money. It would not be the first time this happens or the last time.

[JoeWolf1]

Jeremy Evans, as a 25 mpg player can probably get you 8 points 6 rebounds and a block and a half, but he’s still not the caliber of player that a good team would want to play 25 mpg for a season. He’ll fill in and produce at his highest level so far, but I don’t think his open market value changes a whole lot.

I liken it to Dickey Simpkins going from a 10 mpg player to a 29 mpg player when the Bulls completely rebuilt. The Bulls were bad, he filled in to the best of his ability and put up a decent 9 points 6.8 rebounds but it didn’t make him a higher name free agent. He was still the same player, just getting more minutes as his team lost games.

Evans has nice length and athletic ability, and is probably a better and more desirable NBA player than Simpkins, but I don’t think he’s going to blow up on the free agent market. He’ll probably go back to the role he played during his first three seasons, when Utah brings in a better big man or when another team signs him to be their 2nd or 3rd big off the bench…not the first, no matter what role he plays in 2013-2014.

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