[SwatLakeCityParticipant]

 So most of you who know me, know I’m a big jazz fan. (it’s obvious from my username) I love Gobert, but I don’t like Favors next to him. He’s too much of a small center to me. Great defender, but not a good shooter. Tries but I haven’t seen it with him. I need to see what he does next year with full health to see how good of a shooter he is. But right now I don’t think he’s that good. I think you might need someone else.

I’ve heard and I completely agree that K-Love would be great next to Gobert. He’s big, has enough size, weight-wise, and he can shoot and rebound like nobody’s business. His passing is good too. But he’s older than Favors. Was drafted in 2008 versus Gobert who was drafted in 2013, but is really coming into his prime right now. Love is about 3 years past his prime, so I’m like the pairing but his age is what scares me. Maybe what Utah needs to do is find a young draft pick that plays like him. I wonder if Wendell Carter could be that guy.

His comparison according to this site is Al Horford/Al Jefferson. Those are two polar opposites. He might turn out to be more of a Center, so that’s probably where they get Al Jefferson, but I think he’s more Al Horford than Al Jefferson. He can shoot, pass, defend, and has a good post-game. He’s 6’10, 260 with a 7’3 wingspan and a 9 foot standing reach. To me, that’s very similar to K-love when he was drafted. So maybe a more accurate comparison is Kevin Love with defense.

So I want to find some way to get Carter, but the problem is is that I think the Jazz are too good to finish in the mid lottery. I think they will finish in the low twenties. I think 21 is their draft spot next year. So they might need to trade to get him. 

They need to get rid of Alec’s contract. I hate that 10.8 million, 2-year contract. Especially since he’s injury-prone. That contract was given to him because he blew up his sophomore year, then got injured badly right after that against the Clippers. And has been injured practically his entire career so far. I’m ready to give it up. Heck. I was ready to give him up two or three years ago. He’s healthy now, he has learned about his body. So I’m curious to see what he means by that. What kind of player is he now post-injury? So I’ll put him on the trade block but I’m only offering him to teams that will finish in the mid-lottery. Where Carter will likely get drafted at. I’ll offer up our own pick (20-23). I’m asking for a mid-lottery pick, where I think Carter will be drafted, and an expiring contract to match Burks’ salary. Probably 1-3 years on it.

Given that I have narrowed down my trade partners to 4 teams: Indy, Portland, Memphis, and Phoenix. All should finish in the mid-lottery. So here are my trade proposals. (I’m only listing two because I don’t like what I found from Indy (Cory Joseph as the expiring contract, some expiring contract, he was just traded to this team! And he plays the same position as our rookie Donovan Mitchell!) And Phoenix doesn’t have enough expiring contracts. The only one is Dudley but he makes the same money as Burks and plays the same position as Sefolosha. Sef. is younger yet already developed enough that he doesn’t need a veteran to help him.)

So that leaves me with Portland and Memphis. and here are the trade proposals that I will offer up around the trade deadline that way both teams know what they are getting out of Burks. Which one do you like more?

Memphis: Burks and our draft pick (20-23) for Brandon Wright, Rade Zagorac and their draft pick (6-10 range, I think)

Portland: Burks and our draft pick (20-23) for Meyers Leonard and their draft pick (6-10 range, I hope) I’m worried about them making the playoffs because in my opinion they are the worst team in a stacked northwest division. Maybe that stacked-ness will mean they get a mid-lottery pick. 

I like the Portland option the best because Leonard is still young, with a good developing shot, developing D, developing passer. and proven rebounder. So if Carter doesn’t work out, than at least you have backup waiting in Leonard. But I’m worried that they might make the playoffs (they made it last year, barely).  Then again, the Northwest has changed so much and they didn’t (weren’t able to because of money restrictions) that maybe they won’t make the playoffs. 

The Memphis proposal isn’t too bad. but to me the package of Wright and Zagorac is too weak for what Burks might show this season with a better body. (according to what he has said) So weak, that I have to include their draft pick just to make it more appetizing. (And of course that’s I get Carter from.) 

So I need some help here. Is there one proposal that just screams, yes do it come trade deadline, or do I need to find a different team as a trade partner? Or should the Jazz just scratch this idea all together and offer up Favors and Burks to the Cavs for K-Love at the trade deadline? The Cavs do like D-Favs, but I don’t think they like Burks right now. Maybe they will come trade deadline. when he’s shown how improved his game is since he has learned so much about his body?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[butidonthavemoney]

You are seriously overvaluing Alec Burks if you think any team is going to give up an expected lottery pick for him. As of now, a team desperate for backcourt scoring may be willing to give up a pair of second round picks for him; that’s the best-case scenario.

Jazz fans everywhere seem to be thinking about how to replace Derrick Favors. Fortunately, the front office isn’t so short-sighted. A couple years ago, Favors and Gobert played extremely well together. Despite what you’ve seen, Derrick’s jump shooting has been steadily improving over the last five years, and –if healthy — there’s plenty of evidence taht suggests he’ll be the team’s best scoring option heading into next season. Kevin Love is only an improvement over Favors if you believe that Favors is going to be injured again this season (possible), Love is being held back in the Cavs system (not unlikely), or that Favors will bolt after this season (doubt it). Before this season, Favors was a better overall player than Love in both the 2014-15, and 2015-16 seasons. If it were up to me, I’d keep the defensive identity of the team intact and risk retaining Derrick.

Wendell Carter may be a good player eventually, but your comparison is way off-base in my opinion. I’m not really familiar with him, but based off of what I can tell, he’s just not a solution to any of Utah’s current problems.

The Jazz need to stand pat. Trading Favors while his value is this low would be idiotic. Give him a season to at least get back to where he was a year ago; a legit two-way, top-30 overall NBA player. See if Dante can turn a corner, if Mitchell can make a strong immediate impact, or if Rodney Hood can find some consistency. Maybe Burks regains some of his value, or Rubio’s second-half shooting carries over to the upcoming season. If things don’t work out, they can salary dump and/or attempt to trade for draft picks midseason.

 

[SwatLakeCityParticipant]

 Okay you are right about me overvaluing Burks. Maybe this would have been possible the day he signed the contract he’s on now but before he got injured but now it’s too late and he’s only worth at best two second round picks. 

But I’m not happy with what I saw from Favors last season and short term memory doesn’t remember how Gobert and Favors worked two years ago. Just looking at his stats from two years ago doesn’t work. And now that he’s been injured, does he come back the same player? I never said do this today, I’m talking about in the future come trade deadline. So I’m talking that I hope to make in February not now in August before the season even starts.

 

 

[LOFTYParticipant]

 I agree with trading favors. It seems like since Rudy gobert blossomed favors hasn’t put much effort into the game. He almost plays lazy. His field-goal percentage is mediocre because of layups and dunks but his jumper is horrendous and he shoots those quite often

[BallerScriptParticipant]

 I think Alec Burks needs to prove himself for this trade to work. For this trade to pull through I think Burks needs to put up atleast 15ppg 3rpg and 3apg on good percentages just for a 9th or 10th pick

[ZachAttackParticipant]

 I don’t see the need to trade Derrick Favors. At least see what potential he’s got right now. I know that he’s been injured these last 2 years but like my man money said… he played really well with Gobert 2 years ago, and there’s no reason sacrificing the defensive identity that we have now… Honestly, the only way I see the Jazz winning games this year is through hard-nosed defense. We’ll have to win a lot of our games 75-71 rather than 116-111 this year… No reason to screw up the identity that coach Q’s been trying so hard to maintain these past few years.

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