jason collins coming out
Good for him
It's about time someone came out of the closet in the world of pro sports and finally cut the culture of HOMOPHOBIA that has stuck for so long.
People can sit behind their computers and spew hate all they want, but they'll never come say it to him directly.
All 7 feet, 255 lbs of him. We're all proud of you, Jason.
lmao, when I read subject for this thread I thought there was a prospect named Jason Collins that I hadn't heard of making himself eligible for the draft.
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Just saw a few people posting this on my facebook, well done article by Jason Collins and I applaud him for being true to himself. Long time NBA vet, knows his role and seems to be a valuable big to have off the bench. Hope that he gets the chance to play again and I commend him for being brave enough to write this and I am glad to see people have his back. Especially his twin bro, good to see:
The Collins have always been seen as a couple guys who make up for what they lack in athleticism with sacrificing their bodies to make life difficult for the opposing big man. They were never glamorous players, never overly efficient offensively and commonly aftherthoughts. However, think their professionalism and knowledge of their role is a major reason both have had long NBA careers. My hope is that Jason gets to finish his career and that other players accept him for who he is, which is still a big man who will use his six fouls, set screens and will do what it takes to try to make his team better.
Good for him, he's been a model professional and this is one of the final challenges that he's overcame. You know something is serious when a baking metaphor is used for sexual orientation.
Collins is very brave for coming out. I think this is a big deal, yet ESPN still has Tebow getting cut as their lead story.
No surprise there. If Tebow woke up on the wrong side of the bed, they'd send Bob Ley to investigate for OTL and Skip and Steven A would debate the quality of beds for NFL QBs on First Take.
Just heard the interview with LZ Granderson, who made an interesting point. The legacy of this story will all hinge on whether or not he's re-signed. If he isn't, it'll look like the NBA is afraid of having an openly gay player in the locker room. I really hope the Wizards re-sign him. Not just because of the announcement, but because we need front court insurance if Nene gets injured again. Plus, he's a consummate pro with playoff experience.
I listened to the interview as well, what was his good points. Maybe I missed them and would love for someone to enlighten me on this.
This is a non story all together. Its really onones business who you are having sex with. You never saw Kobe coming out as a rapist, or any other straight person coming out to say they loved having sex with women. What I am saying is if you are a guy that likes guys or women who prefers women then date them. Have a relationship, makes no difference to me that is your life. Really no need to make a press conference over it.
The point is that sports (and society as a whole) are dominated by a heteronormative and largely homophobic culture. Straight athletes don't need to come out as straight because that's the norm, while being gay is seen as taboo. Hopefully we reach a point in sports and society more broadly where it really doesn't matter whether someone is gay, straight, or anything else, but we're not anywhere close to being there yet. So, this is an extremely important step.
the thing is with this, and your right, is that society wont change because of jason collins or some sports player coming out.. it'll change when you, individually as a person, stop using words like gay and fa g or other homophobic things. so everybody think about it before you say crap like that and make yourself sound stupid.
As soon as society stops being homophobic stories like this won't have to exist. People won't have to hide their sexuality for fear of the possible consequences. Media attention like this is important because it helps the normalization process of homosexuality.
Society is not homophobic.
Go to the ESPN discussion section before his next game and tell me society isnt homophobic. They are going to rip into him.
They are a breeding ground of ignorance. The majority of people in this country support gay marriage, as does the POTUS. Society is NOT homophobic.
Someone can be both pro-gay marriage and homophobic. There's obviously a correlation between supporting gay marriage and a rejection of homophobia, but the two issues are not interchangeable. Your comment is the equivalent of saying that US society is not racist because (basically) no one believes that slavery and segregation should still exist. But anyone with any critical awareness should realize that the United States is still pervaded by structural and systemic racism. It's rampant! It's the same with homophobia. If gay marriage were legalized tomorrow, there would still be a ton of homophobia. This conflation of gay marriage with gay rights totally obscures a lot of larger issues. There are a lot of gay rights beyond marriage.
This isn't a matter of gay marriage. This is a matter of acceptance. The majority of people in this country are tolerant of gays. Tolerance is not acceptance. If I sit down at a nice restaurant with my boyfriend and propose to him, will I get applauded or dirty looks? Most people accept the gay lifestyle behind closed doors. That's tolerance. Sure people can vote yes for gay marriage, but that doesn't mean they truly accept homosexuals for who they are.
Doesn't he have a twin brother that also played in the NBA? I wonder if he knew all along..
HIS 100 POINT GAME ISN'T THE ONLY RECORD HE HOLDS EITHER IF YOU BELIEVE HIM and THE RUMORS ABOUT HIM TO BE TRUE...
I just want Tebow to come out and tell the NFL he isn't a QB...
Got to respect the man for coming out. It is not an easy thing to do.
I always knew him and Richard Jefferson were cute in New Jersey. Haha I kid of course. Good on him tho, takes guts.
This is truly inspiring. He has all my respect now, hope he gets a contract next year he is a pro and a influential guy. Well Done.
The article was fantastic. That would be an incredibly tough thing to do, now I just wonder if anyone else will follow his lead.
An NFL player and current NBA player coming out is the next step. Well done Jason. @Mercyman if it's such a "non-story" then why is it such a battle in our legal system in terms of same sex marriage and I guarantee you there are many young men right now play basketball at a high school, college, or even professional level that are gay but fear the consequences of coming out, when they see this it gives them hope and a light at the end of the tunnel.
Jason is a current NBA player in that he played for the Wizards this year. His contract is up, but then so are the contracts of a lot of guys and you would call them current NBA players.
But this is an interesting situation where his skills really don't justify another contract at the veteran minimum. Not when you can get a D-leaguer for half the price with twice the hops. So if he doesn't sign with a team, it will be unclear if it is just because he isn't very good and at his age has no upside and lots of age related downside, or if teams are concerned about his sexuality.
I work in healthcare. I work with many people that are gay. To me its just another person, I really dont care who they prefer. They are a coworker, a friend, a fellow human being. Thats why I find this a non story.
No. Does the world care? No media is loving it though I bet.
Wilt Chamberlain was well known for his sexual prowess and there was a very famous Irish Footballer called Georgie Best who had a legendary way with women.
Congrats to Jason Collins on coming out, any future decisions on his career must surely be based on his basketball ability alone. He has been in the NBA 12 years so surely some team mates, coaching staff on the teams he has played on must have known or had an idea. Of course Jason had every right to keep his sexual orientation to himself but usually someone would have had a good idea.
The interesting thing would be if we had a top prospect one year in the draft who came out and said he was gay.
Oh and one other thing. I saw this on NY1 news program and the headline was "Star NBA player comes out." I had to laugh as JC is as far from being a star (or ever having been a star) as just about anyone in the league.
Let that man do as he likes, it aint illegal
There have probably been many NBA players throughout the years that were secretly gay. Collins is just the first one that was MAN enough to come out while he was still playing.
Exactly. John Amaechi came out after his playing days. I respect him for coming out though. I honestly think he won't have a problem finding a spot on an NBA team. He is in a win/win situation. If a team doesn't pick him up the NBA may be criticized for it and thats a backlash the NBA doesn't really want on it's hands. In terms of how well he may bond with his teammates? I'm not sure. Plus the way the NBA is with pushing the equal rights and those commercials takling about the use of the word "gay." As well as that time Kobe got fined for using the word in a derogatory fashion as well. He should be fine. We are in a new day in age where somebody being gay isn't as big of news as it use to be. I can understand if Lebron or Kobe came out. But Jason Collins is more like a "oh he's gay? ok..."
He is still considered active but he is a free agent who scored 41 points last year on 31% shooting. I hate to say it but we still most likely won't have an active NBA player come out as gay. Like somebody else said it isn't really a big deal unless it is a star player. Collins is just another guy who before today nobody outside of NBA circles ever heard about him. It still takes guts and I commend him for it but it isn't as big a deal as it is being made out to be.
Did anyone else see Chris Broussard get put in his place on Outside The Lines today? I never knew he was a self-righteous Christain.
He could end up in serious trouble after what he said. Toeing a very dangerous line.
How did he get put in his place.
I saw the interview and must have missed that part.
The people whoe view gays like regular people, like me get negatives for saying its not a big deal. Were gays slaves? No so what's the big deal. They always been equal except the marriage thing. So why make it an issue. He gay he gay. So what. Why come out? No ones business and no one cares. Its PR.
You say that as if gay people have never been persecuted. They weren't slaves because they weren't thought of as useful like black people. Openly gay people were burned alive. They didn't even get stakes like witches did at the time because they were considered lower than witches. Instead they got thrown in with the kindling (bundles of sticks, basically), which is why they are called &$#%#&@!s (according to an interesting episode of Louie, anyway). Gay people are often abandoned and condemned by their friends, family, community and churches. With that hanging over their heads, some would rather kill themselves before having to choose between their sexuality and their family. Gay people are bullied relentlessly (at least in some parts of the country) and occasionally tortured and killed. Why, just today, there was an article on how a conversion therapist at one of those "pray away the gay" camps tortured, starved and murdered three gay kids. At BYU Utah, gay kids were kidnapped and were forced to watch gay &$#%#&@! with electrodes wired to their testicles/vaginas. They were then shocked repeatedly. There has also been hundreds of millions of dollars used to lobby and market the "evils" of gay marriage and adoption (including 83 MILLION against gay marriage on one proposition alone in California, tell me that's not a big deal). You hear that you're an abomination enough times, and you'll start to believe it, which is why suicide rates are so much higher for gay kids. Meanwhile, people everywhere are still using words like "gay" and "&$#%#&@!" to belittle and demean others.
Now, it's real sweet that you think of them as "regular people", but it absolutely is a big deal. In a more progressive society, it wouldn't be, but it definitely is. Collins is going to take shit for this, and he's trying to set an example for other gay athletes out there. You shouldn't have to hide or be ashamed of who you are. (FYI, gay people are still denied work all the time for being gay, and they were considered of lower status than slaves.)
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Reverend Chris Broussard had some interesting things to say about the matter...
Why should he get in serious trouble? That's his own opinion and belief.
I'm not saying that he should get in serious trouble, but I do believe there's a very good chance that he will.
I doubt ESPN wants to be thought of as a religious TV station. Therefore, they could very well deem Broussard basically preaching on national TV something worth punishing. Not to mention the fact that his comments could very well make it more uncomfortable for people in the workplace, which would give them another reason to punish him.
Personally, I have no problem with Broussard believing what he wants to believe in, even if I don't personally agree with his belief, but to basically say "You can't be a Christian unless you live life the way that I do" is just not a good look for himself or for ESPN. If you truly believe something like that, and you work in the industry that he works in, you need to keep that kind of thing to yourself.
You should't put quotes around something that you are paraphrasing, but I agree.
See... I didn't see it like that.
I mean this was the subject at hand and topic of conversation being discussed on ESPN. He was asked *his* thoughts on Collins being a Christian as well as a homosexual. He was asked that question and he gave his personal opinion. I watched the interview and I never got the feeling that he said "You can't be a Christian unless you live life the way I do."
I don't see how his personal beliefs will make it uncomfortable for people in the work place. That's like saying a person openly announcing he is gay is wrong for doing so because now that'll make people uncomfortable in the work place. I think it's unfair to say that he needs to keep that to himself. Would you tell a gay person that works at ESPN they need to keep that to themselves?
I think we have a problem in today's society where everyone is too afraid to say how they feel and try to be politically correct. Whether you're announcing your gay, don't believe in God, do believe in God, don't believe in being Gay... It shouldn't matter. People need to learn to disagree without being disagreeable.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with anything Broussard or LZ Granderson said. Two men with two completely different beliefs and that's completely okay.