[TONYDABOSS77Participant]

 I’m liking Jamal Murray more & more. I wouldn’t be shocked if he was tha top player from this class. He’s 6’5 with a strong frame. He’s not Westbrook, but he’s a good athlete. Arguably tha best shooter in this class. Has a nice floor game. Can draw fouls. Getting better at tha mid range. Solid handle. Just turned 19. I want to see where his game goes…

More NBA ready than Ingram because his frame is way stronger & I think he’s just as skilled offensively. Best scorer in this class, way better scorer than Simmons. BS is a better passer, but you don’t have to average 10 assists. You just have to make tha right basketball play & Murray does that. He’s not ready to be a fulltime pg yet, but he’s only 19. 

I put it like this: Playoffs start within tha next week. You’re an NBA coach & you can take any of these college guys & put them on your team for this run…who do you want? Give me Murray all day long. He gives me size in tha backcourt. Great shooter. Can handle tha ball for me in spurts & doesn’t play lazy defense. Doesn’t play out of control & can run P&R. So he’s tha only guy in this class I feel completely confident in playing 30+ minutes a night in tha playoffs…and he’s only 19. I want to see where his game goes.

 

 

 

[ChewyParticipant]

 he doesn’t have the explosiveness, but he is very crafty in getting open anyway. He seems to be the type of player who "gets it" earlier than other in his draft class and adjusts to the NBA game quicker. I still don’t believe in him as a PG. For every Kemba, as a combo guard who figured out the PG position, there are 4 Zach Lavines, combo guards who belong at the 2.

However, if my job was on the line. If my comfortable, high paying job, that feeds my family and allows me to work in the NBA was on the line… I take Simmons #1 overall and I submit that decision within 30 seconds of being on the clock.

 

 

[ChewyParticipant]

 he doesn’t have the explosiveness, but he is very crafty in getting open anyway. He seems to be the type of player who "gets it" earlier than other in his draft class and adjusts to the NBA game quicker. I still don’t believe in him as a PG. For every Kemba, as a combo guard who figured out the PG position, there are 4 Zach Lavines, combo guards who belong at the 2.

However, if my job was on the line. If my comfortable, high paying job, that feeds my family and allows me to work in the NBA was on the line… I take Simmons #1 overall and I submit that decision within 30 seconds of being on the clock.

 

 

[CDPHParticipant]

 I like Murray a lot.  I hear a lot of people talking about Hield vs. Murray and going Hield, I think that’s silly.  Hield is simply further along in his development and I’m not sure he’s even a better all-around player at this point.

It’s Murray all the way for me.  If fortune finally hits my 76ers and the Lakers pick conveys at #4, Murray is my guy there.  

 

 

[CDPHParticipant]

 I like Murray a lot.  I hear a lot of people talking about Hield vs. Murray and going Hield, I think that’s silly.  Hield is simply further along in his development and I’m not sure he’s even a better all-around player at this point.

It’s Murray all the way for me.  If fortune finally hits my 76ers and the Lakers pick conveys at #4, Murray is my guy there.  

 

 

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

 I think Buddy is the better shooter and scorer.

Murray is taller and looks longer too.

Murray is younger and possibly has more "upside".

I think Buddy can be a 2nd or 3rd option as a starting shooting guard.

I like Murray as a 6th man.  How high do you take a 6th man?  

I think Jamal Murray shot Kentucky out of that Indiana game in the tournament.  Didn’t see a super athlete. Size?  Ok… More like COLLEGE athleticism and COLLEGE length.  

Looks like Jamal Murray needs the ball.

Hield looks more like a catch and shoot guy — that you have to close out on, so I think Hield will be a better floor spacer.

I would go with Hield.  

Hield should probably go top 5.

I would put Jamal Murray in the 8-12 range.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

 I think Buddy is the better shooter and scorer.

Murray is taller and looks longer too.

Murray is younger and possibly has more "upside".

I think Buddy can be a 2nd or 3rd option as a starting shooting guard.

I like Murray as a 6th man.  How high do you take a 6th man?  

I think Jamal Murray shot Kentucky out of that Indiana game in the tournament.  Didn’t see a super athlete. Size?  Ok… More like COLLEGE athleticism and COLLEGE length.  

Looks like Jamal Murray needs the ball.

Hield looks more like a catch and shoot guy — that you have to close out on, so I think Hield will be a better floor spacer.

I would go with Hield.  

Hield should probably go top 5.

I would put Jamal Murray in the 8-12 range.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[BleedGreen808Participant]

I’m not sure what you mean by Murray needs the ball.  He played off guard while Ulis ran the show at Kentucky.   Murray is 3yrs younger than Hield and still averaged 20pts per game as a freshman while shooting 42% from 3.  If the Celtics get the 3rd pick give me Murray over Hield.  

[BleedGreen808Participant]

I’m not sure what you mean by Murray needs the ball.  He played off guard while Ulis ran the show at Kentucky.   Murray is 3yrs younger than Hield and still averaged 20pts per game as a freshman while shooting 42% from 3.  If the Celtics get the 3rd pick give me Murray over Hield.  

[holefillers1Participant]

 His game is not tailored to the NBA. Chase him off the 3pt line and he dribbles laterally plus he is not a PG. Also average to below average NBA athleticism, as a result he doesn’t get to the line often. He is not 6’5 I would bet he is 6’4 in sneakers. Couple that with his avg athleticism and he is nothing but a jump shooter. Remember how jimmer Fredette was awesome in college but couldn’t make the jump. How about Austin Rivers?  That is who this guy is. He has all of you fooled. 

[holefillers1Participant]

 His game is not tailored to the NBA. Chase him off the 3pt line and he dribbles laterally plus he is not a PG. Also average to below average NBA athleticism, as a result he doesn’t get to the line often. He is not 6’5 I would bet he is 6’4 in sneakers. Couple that with his avg athleticism and he is nothing but a jump shooter. Remember how jimmer Fredette was awesome in college but couldn’t make the jump. How about Austin Rivers?  That is who this guy is. He has all of you fooled. 

[IlladelphParticipant]

 .."not tailored to the NBA"…. yeah ok.  I could explain to you why his game is very well-suited to the NBA game, but instead I will let Steve Nash do it for me.  Or perhaps you know more about being an NBA point guard than Steve Nash does.  

I love Murray’s game, his maturity, and his basketball IQ.  He is, no doubt, a top 5 player in this draft.

[IlladelphParticipant]

 .."not tailored to the NBA"…. yeah ok.  I could explain to you why his game is very well-suited to the NBA game, but instead I will let Steve Nash do it for me.  Or perhaps you know more about being an NBA point guard than Steve Nash does.  

I love Murray’s game, his maturity, and his basketball IQ.  He is, no doubt, a top 5 player in this draft.

[holefillers1Participant]

 The only thing those two players have in common is Canada.  Murray is no PG.  Unless you were impressed by his 2 ast per game. How can he create for others when he is a perimeter player?  I rarely saw him beat his man of the dribble and that is college. How is that going to help him in the NBA?  Maybe he can run P&R. But then again why would you want the ball in his hands when he can’t drive and kick?Absolute best case scenario is Wesley Matthews.

[mamadouParticipant]

You tried too hard to be hero scouter on that poor jamal.

You’re right, he’s not a true PG and he’s not athletic despite his 39 inches vert.

But "The 2 assists" "perimeter player" "can’t drive, can’t kick" bullshit has to go.

He played a certain way WITH thatcoach, WITH that roster, WITH that starting 5, WITH that elite true PG Ulis(17-7) WITH that fat ass/big calves Briscoe(13% 3 pts shooter, 43% FT shooter) WITH that terrible frontcourt…

Without Ulis or with Briscoe off the bench, he’s a 4-5 assists lead guard freshmen anydays, it wouldn’ be a knock on his game, that’s circumstances.

He had to play chucker 3 for that team, he wasn’t defended by PG…he’ll play another role for his nba team.

He has pretty much nothing in common with wes Matthews sir, before that he was definitely Austin Rivers, you have to make up your mind. 

Rivers listed PG(what a joke), is a dumb, cocky, inefficient and undersized 2, i saw that coming in duke.

The only thing possibly in common would be undersized 2, and he ‘ll play on or off the ball, better all around game, better shooter, better leader.

A bad and disappointing Murray will be better than the best rivers.

Worst case scenario i’m more on the brandon Knight comp, smarter/craftier Knight, aka "bucks PO fit" "6th men next year".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[holefillers1Participant]

 I just write what I see. I also compared him to Kyle Korver in previous posts. Basically what I am saying is he isn’t athletic enough to run Point.  I rip this kid everytime his name is brought up because i believe he is a one dimensional player in the NBA. He is an undersized shooting gaurd. Less athletic JJ Redick is another best case scenario. Wes Matthews is to good of a defender for a player comp. Check out that video on the more recent Jamal Murray post. Pretty much describes what I have been getting killed for saying.

[holefillers1Participant]

 I just write what I see. I also compared him to Kyle Korver in previous posts. Basically what I am saying is he isn’t athletic enough to run Point.  I rip this kid everytime his name is brought up because i believe he is a one dimensional player in the NBA. He is an undersized shooting gaurd. Less athletic JJ Redick is another best case scenario. Wes Matthews is to good of a defender for a player comp. Check out that video on the more recent Jamal Murray post. Pretty much describes what I have been getting killed for saying.

[mamadouParticipant]

You tried too hard to be hero scouter on that poor jamal.

You’re right, he’s not a true PG and he’s not athletic despite his 39 inches vert.

But "The 2 assists" "perimeter player" "can’t drive, can’t kick" bullshit has to go.

He played a certain way WITH thatcoach, WITH that roster, WITH that starting 5, WITH that elite true PG Ulis(17-7) WITH that fat ass/big calves Briscoe(13% 3 pts shooter, 43% FT shooter) WITH that terrible frontcourt…

Without Ulis or with Briscoe off the bench, he’s a 4-5 assists lead guard freshmen anydays, it wouldn’ be a knock on his game, that’s circumstances.

He had to play chucker 3 for that team, he wasn’t defended by PG…he’ll play another role for his nba team.

He has pretty much nothing in common with wes Matthews sir, before that he was definitely Austin Rivers, you have to make up your mind. 

Rivers listed PG(what a joke), is a dumb, cocky, inefficient and undersized 2, i saw that coming in duke.

The only thing possibly in common would be undersized 2, and he ‘ll play on or off the ball, better all around game, better shooter, better leader.

A bad and disappointing Murray will be better than the best rivers.

Worst case scenario i’m more on the brandon Knight comp, smarter/craftier Knight, aka "bucks PO fit" "6th men next year".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[holefillers1Participant]

 The only thing those two players have in common is Canada.  Murray is no PG.  Unless you were impressed by his 2 ast per game. How can he create for others when he is a perimeter player?  I rarely saw him beat his man of the dribble and that is college. How is that going to help him in the NBA?  Maybe he can run P&R. But then again why would you want the ball in his hands when he can’t drive and kick?Absolute best case scenario is Wesley Matthews.

[OhCanada-Participant]

 I’d say he played well against mens athletisism size and length last year in the Pan Am games. 25-mpg, 16-ppg, 3-rpg, 2-apg off the bench as a teen.

 His role at that time was to come off the bench and score. He proved he could do it.

Then his role changes at the college level as he went from a primary ball handler to the third ball handler and a guy operating off of screens and spot ups. He dominated at that level and was one of Coach Cal’s highest single season scorers of all time.

We haven’t even seen him given the keys to the offense and he is far from a finished prospect yet poises as a safe pick in the top 10. With the way the league is trending I wouldn’t doubt if he ends up being the best player from this draft.

 

 

[OhCanada-Participant]

 I’d say he played well against mens athletisism size and length last year in the Pan Am games. 25-mpg, 16-ppg, 3-rpg, 2-apg off the bench as a teen.

 His role at that time was to come off the bench and score. He proved he could do it.

Then his role changes at the college level as he went from a primary ball handler to the third ball handler and a guy operating off of screens and spot ups. He dominated at that level and was one of Coach Cal’s highest single season scorers of all time.

We haven’t even seen him given the keys to the offense and he is far from a finished prospect yet poises as a safe pick in the top 10. With the way the league is trending I wouldn’t doubt if he ends up being the best player from this draft.

 

 

[BiggysmallsParticipant]

 I don’t really care if he’s a point guard or a 2 guard. Can he make plays for others? Guys are going to want to run him off the 3-point line, and if/when that happens, can he draw help and find teammates for easy shots? 

I don’t want a guy who only sees "his shot"…I haven’t heard Murray can’t do those things, but thats the blessing/curse about Kentucky. He didn’t shot he could or couldn’t do it because he didn’t have to do it or fail at it. 

His shooting ability is awfully impressive and even if he isn’t an explosive athlete, he’s savvy and if he can get a little bigger/stronger, it seems like he’s got a relatively high floor and good solid ceiling. 

 

 

 

 

[BiggysmallsParticipant]

 I don’t really care if he’s a point guard or a 2 guard. Can he make plays for others? Guys are going to want to run him off the 3-point line, and if/when that happens, can he draw help and find teammates for easy shots? 

I don’t want a guy who only sees "his shot"…I haven’t heard Murray can’t do those things, but thats the blessing/curse about Kentucky. He didn’t shot he could or couldn’t do it because he didn’t have to do it or fail at it. 

His shooting ability is awfully impressive and even if he isn’t an explosive athlete, he’s savvy and if he can get a little bigger/stronger, it seems like he’s got a relatively high floor and good solid ceiling. 

 

 

 

 

[doubledribblerParticipant]

The thing I liked most about Murray is that he was pretty consistent throughout the year. You expect more ups and downs, especially for a freshman and even more from a perimeter guy that gets nothing from his bigs. I’m not sure of what his ceiling is, but I like him much more than Hield.

[doubledribblerParticipant]

The thing I liked most about Murray is that he was pretty consistent throughout the year. You expect more ups and downs, especially for a freshman and even more from a perimeter guy that gets nothing from his bigs. I’m not sure of what his ceiling is, but I like him much more than Hield.

[TheWhiteLionParticipant]

 I feel like he will be an okay starter but a very good 6th man. Like what jamal crawford has done. I feel like that is a pretty good comparison except murray is probably built better and is stronger but jamal has better handles

[TheWhiteLionParticipant]

 I feel like he will be an okay starter but a very good 6th man. Like what jamal crawford has done. I feel like that is a pretty good comparison except murray is probably built better and is stronger but jamal has better handles

[Hype Machine]

 I dont consider him a PG..therefore I just project him against other SGs in the league, which is pretty light-on overall in regards to talent. 

If the guy has the effort and motor to get open, he doesnt need much space to get up a high %  shot. 

A non-lead SG isn’t really the most important position in the league anymore (given 4 or 5 players on the court are now expected to shoot), so taking one with a high pick has limited rewards unless he can really create space and connect at a high rate. 

 

I still think he will be one of the best off-guards in the league though.

 

[Hype Machine]

 I dont consider him a PG..therefore I just project him against other SGs in the league, which is pretty light-on overall in regards to talent. 

If the guy has the effort and motor to get open, he doesnt need much space to get up a high %  shot. 

A non-lead SG isn’t really the most important position in the league anymore (given 4 or 5 players on the court are now expected to shoot), so taking one with a high pick has limited rewards unless he can really create space and connect at a high rate. 

 

I still think he will be one of the best off-guards in the league though.

 

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

 i have him as the 3rd best prospect..he might be able to step in and help a team from day 1..the 2016 draft isnt full of potential superstars..but i think the draft will be better than people say .

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

 i have him as the 3rd best prospect..he might be able to step in and help a team from day 1..the 2016 draft isnt full of potential superstars..but i think the draft will be better than people say .

[NBAjunkie81Participant]

 He was clearly the Leader of the Canada team he played on at 17…… He was Very consistent at UK this year……. 

Does he have holes in his game – absolutely…… What 18 y/o does not?……….. When Hield was Murray’s age, he averaged 7 pts per game & shot a FG% of 24%……

All players Need to develop……. But Muuray is a kid who can shoot the 3 consistently, he can Find the open man & Dish………….. & he can get to the Rim w/ strength……

He Never gets too high or too low emotionally……. The Maturity level is what concerned me about D Russell coming into the NBA last year……. I don’t have those concerns about Murray…….

 Certain people are Born Leaders…… We’ve seen on Team Canada & at UK, …… even at a young age, Murray’s teammates Look to him ………… & he readily accepts that Leadership role……

 

 

 

[NBAjunkie81Participant]

 He was clearly the Leader of the Canada team he played on at 17…… He was Very consistent at UK this year……. 

Does he have holes in his game – absolutely…… What 18 y/o does not?……….. When Hield was Murray’s age, he averaged 7 pts per game & shot a FG% of 24%……

All players Need to develop……. But Muuray is a kid who can shoot the 3 consistently, he can Find the open man & Dish………….. & he can get to the Rim w/ strength……

He Never gets too high or too low emotionally……. The Maturity level is what concerned me about D Russell coming into the NBA last year……. I don’t have those concerns about Murray…….

 Certain people are Born Leaders…… We’ve seen on Team Canada & at UK, …… even at a young age, Murray’s teammates Look to him ………… & he readily accepts that Leadership role……

 

 

 

[GuitarzzParticipant]

I honestly don’t think you can go wrong with either of these if you hold the 3rd pick. The way i see it:

Heild: Current level: 7 Potential level: 8

Murray: Current level: 6.5 Potential level: 8 < ?

 

 

 

 

[GuitarzzParticipant]

I honestly don’t think you can go wrong with either of these if you hold the 3rd pick. The way i see it:

Heild: Current level: 7 Potential level: 8

Murray: Current level: 6.5 Potential level: 8 < ?

 

 

 

 

[GuitarzzParticipant]

I honestly don’t think you can go wrong with either of these if you hold the 3rd pick. The way i see it:

Heild: Current level: 7 Potential level: 8

Murray: Current level: 6.5 Potential level: 8 < ?

 

 

 

 

[GuitarzzParticipant]

I honestly don’t think you can go wrong with either of these if you hold the 3rd pick. The way i see it:

Heild: Current level: 7 Potential level: 8

Murray: Current level: 6.5 Potential level: 8 < ?

 

 

 

 

[benny15Participant]

 im really hopping he somehow falls to new orleans or the pelicans move up in the lotto. eric gordon and tyreke evans just cannot seem to stay healthy, and jrue aint a posterboy for one either. even if i were to look at jamal murray pessimistically, say that he’s not a point guard, not a great deffender, has average athletic abilities, he’s still one of the better shooters and scorers in this draft and the pelicans need a lot of help in that area. 

i do believe in his upside and that he’ll be able to be a regular contributer by at least his second year, 3rd at the latest. brandon knight came out as polished as he did and he still averaged a shade under 13 and 4 as a rookie. i think new orleans can offer murray the same amount of touches and shots knight got with detroit in his rookie year and that it would really put him in an opportunity to go through growing pains in his development

[benny15Participant]

 im really hopping he somehow falls to new orleans or the pelicans move up in the lotto. eric gordon and tyreke evans just cannot seem to stay healthy, and jrue aint a posterboy for one either. even if i were to look at jamal murray pessimistically, say that he’s not a point guard, not a great deffender, has average athletic abilities, he’s still one of the better shooters and scorers in this draft and the pelicans need a lot of help in that area. 

i do believe in his upside and that he’ll be able to be a regular contributer by at least his second year, 3rd at the latest. brandon knight came out as polished as he did and he still averaged a shade under 13 and 4 as a rookie. i think new orleans can offer murray the same amount of touches and shots knight got with detroit in his rookie year and that it would really put him in an opportunity to go through growing pains in his development

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