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- Posted on: Tue, 05/24/2016 - 5:26am #63877
ChicagoCaseyParticipantBill Simmons and another media member, forgot his name, suggested that Boston should trade their number 3 pick for Jahlil Okafor. I don’t know how other fell about Jahlil Okafor and how he will do in the new NBA, but I still believe in him and I believe he will be a great fit for Boston. If you the Sixers would you do it? Probably not. But, I believe Okafor in Boston is a match made in heavon,
As everyone knows, Jahlil Okafor have defensive limitations, PnR defense and slow feet. I believe Boston can mask those issues with their perimeter defense. Indiana was one of, if not the best, defensive teams with Roy Hibbert as their starting center. Roy Hibbert cannot go out and guard the PnR and he have slow feet. But, Indiana hid him on those type of situations by switching David West to his man going to set the PnR and having Roy Hibbert stay at the rim. It’s not impossible to hide players on defense when you have the right personnel. The Bucks had Zaza Pachulia as their center and they were a top defense in this league. They had great perimeter defenders in place to hide weaknesses in Zaza game. The Celtics have strong perimeter defenders in place to help Okafor in Avery Bradley, Marcus Smart, Jae Crowder, and more. Also, they have a coach that knows what he’s doing.
On offense, he gives the Celtics what they need badly, a go to scorer that can score in the paint. They lacked that all year long that it was a major reason why they didn’t get to the second round of the playoffs. I believe Okafor can work really well in a Isaiah Thomas PnR and they have a great offensive scheme that will allow Okafor to navigate in the post, couldn’t really do that in Philadelphia due to the lack of shooters and cutting off the ball.
Is Okafor worth the number 3 pick in this years draft? I would say yeah, I don’t think that’s really a question. I believe Okafor is a muchbetter prospect than Jamal Murray and Buddy Hield and slightly better than Dragon Bender, and Kris Dunn. I don’t believe they can give you the impact that Okafor can provide on the offensive side of the ball. If the 76ers ask for that trade, I wouldn’t second guess it….
0 - Posted on: Tue, 05/24/2016 - 5:33am #1065308
HitsterParticipantThis deal has come up a lot and especially what Ainge and Boston might do with the 3rd pick. The deal looks fair to both sides IMO but I’d ask a few questions:-
1. If Boston did want to flip the pick might they want an established proven player not a young talented guy?
2. The 76ers turned down the chance to take Porzingis when they took Okafor last year, are the players at 3 this year potentially as good as Porz or the Oak?
3. Philly have Simmons/Ingram incoming, Saric coming over, other first rounders this year too, Embiid yet to debut would yet another NBA rookie be good for them?
0 - Posted on: Tue, 05/24/2016 - 5:33am #1065185
HitsterParticipantThis deal has come up a lot and especially what Ainge and Boston might do with the 3rd pick. The deal looks fair to both sides IMO but I’d ask a few questions:-
1. If Boston did want to flip the pick might they want an established proven player not a young talented guy?
2. The 76ers turned down the chance to take Porzingis when they took Okafor last year, are the players at 3 this year potentially as good as Porz or the Oak?
3. Philly have Simmons/Ingram incoming, Saric coming over, other first rounders this year too, Embiid yet to debut would yet another NBA rookie be good for them?
0- Posted on: Tue, 05/24/2016 - 6:00am #1065326
ChicagoCaseyParticipant- If they can get Jimmy Butler for the number 3 pick, great for them. But, I don’t really see any players that they can trade that pick that’s as talented as Okafor. You got a player like Greg Monroe that’s on the market, but is he really a better trade option than Okafor? I don’t really see a established proven player that’s on the market. Maybe Kevin Love, but Cleveland might want more than just the number 3 pick or maybe don’t want another young player.
- I don’t know if the 76ers would want to trade Okafor, but I’m just saying if they trade him. No, I do not believe players that will be at 3 is better than Porzingis and Okafor. This will answer 3 as well. They might want to trade 1 of the 3 big man because of the long jam at the position.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 05/24/2016 - 6:00am #1065203
ChicagoCaseyParticipant- If they can get Jimmy Butler for the number 3 pick, great for them. But, I don’t really see any players that they can trade that pick that’s as talented as Okafor. You got a player like Greg Monroe that’s on the market, but is he really a better trade option than Okafor? I don’t really see a established proven player that’s on the market. Maybe Kevin Love, but Cleveland might want more than just the number 3 pick or maybe don’t want another young player.
- I don’t know if the 76ers would want to trade Okafor, but I’m just saying if they trade him. No, I do not believe players that will be at 3 is better than Porzingis and Okafor. This will answer 3 as well. They might want to trade 1 of the 3 big man because of the long jam at the position.
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- Posted on: Tue, 05/24/2016 - 6:06am #1065334
juves4783Participantif the celtics did that, they’d be doing the 76ers a huge favor. boston doesn’t need help scoring the ball. they averaged over 105 ppg and were 5th in the league. seemed like their biggest problem in the playoffs was stopping the hawks’ bigs. i don’t think okafor is going to solve that problem or do i think that he fits the mold on offense of a guard heavy, fast scheme.
i like them taking bender as an upgrade to sully and then taking the bank to hassan whiteside’s doorsteps. and i can’t imagine biyombo not opting out with his stock at all time high right now. he’d be a nice fit with boston too. even a FA like noah would be a great fit. i think there are a lot of options in FA to give up a high lotto pick for a center like okafor.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 05/24/2016 - 6:06am #1065211
juves4783Participantif the celtics did that, they’d be doing the 76ers a huge favor. boston doesn’t need help scoring the ball. they averaged over 105 ppg and were 5th in the league. seemed like their biggest problem in the playoffs was stopping the hawks’ bigs. i don’t think okafor is going to solve that problem or do i think that he fits the mold on offense of a guard heavy, fast scheme.
i like them taking bender as an upgrade to sully and then taking the bank to hassan whiteside’s doorsteps. and i can’t imagine biyombo not opting out with his stock at all time high right now. he’d be a nice fit with boston too. even a FA like noah would be a great fit. i think there are a lot of options in FA to give up a high lotto pick for a center like okafor.
0- Posted on: Tue, 05/24/2016 - 7:24am #1065227
Bankroll PJParticipantThough Hassan Whiteside may be the best choice, there’s no way the proud boston organization and danny ainge would take a guy as immature as Hassan Whiteside. I don’t know anything about Bender other than his size and that he’s European so I’ll refrain from comment on him, but I think Okafor could be a 17 and 9 guy in Boston; however, Boston would still have a problem with rim protection. Okafor doesn’t have to actually block shots, but he has to be a presence at the rim, which he’s not right now. If they trade the #3 pick for Okafor and find a way to get a rim protector, I think they’ll become the 2nd or 3rd best team in the east.
0- Posted on: Tue, 05/24/2016 - 12:33pm #1065319
OhCanada-ParticipantOh please put it to rest. Hassan Whiteside was one of this years hardest working players and is Miami’s cornerstone for the future if they can retain him. He maybe a bit of a loose cannon but if he is immature than Draymond Green and Demarcus Cousins are 6 year old kids in comparison with some of their antics. Watching Whiteside in the playoffs I saw a complete professional on and off the court and a humble star.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 05/24/2016 - 12:33pm #1065442
OhCanada-ParticipantOh please put it to rest. Hassan Whiteside was one of this years hardest working players and is Miami’s cornerstone for the future if they can retain him. He maybe a bit of a loose cannon but if he is immature than Draymond Green and Demarcus Cousins are 6 year old kids in comparison with some of their antics. Watching Whiteside in the playoffs I saw a complete professional on and off the court and a humble star.
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- Posted on: Tue, 05/24/2016 - 7:24am #1065349
Bankroll PJParticipantThough Hassan Whiteside may be the best choice, there’s no way the proud boston organization and danny ainge would take a guy as immature as Hassan Whiteside. I don’t know anything about Bender other than his size and that he’s European so I’ll refrain from comment on him, but I think Okafor could be a 17 and 9 guy in Boston; however, Boston would still have a problem with rim protection. Okafor doesn’t have to actually block shots, but he has to be a presence at the rim, which he’s not right now. If they trade the #3 pick for Okafor and find a way to get a rim protector, I think they’ll become the 2nd or 3rd best team in the east.
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- Posted on: Tue, 05/24/2016 - 6:43am #1065338
fredrock34ParticipantIdk If philly will be willing to trade noel for the pick and something else but Noels would be a better fit on that celtics team so badly needing a defensive presence downlow. However, with philly still deep in a rebuild stage and no were to play all those bigs. Theres no way they can start the season with all those bigs and no decent guards.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 05/24/2016 - 6:43am #1065215
fredrock34ParticipantIdk If philly will be willing to trade noel for the pick and something else but Noels would be a better fit on that celtics team so badly needing a defensive presence downlow. However, with philly still deep in a rebuild stage and no were to play all those bigs. Theres no way they can start the season with all those bigs and no decent guards.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 05/24/2016 - 7:25am #1065229
SeBirschingParticipantWhy does everyone assume that the 76ers want to trade Okafor? Also, why would they willingly help out their division rival? Nobody wants to trade for the #3 pick because there is such a dropoff in talent after Simmons and Ingram. If they trade Okafor at all, it doesn’t have to be for pick #3. They could trade him for a slightly lower pick (#4, 5, or 6) and still probably get the guy they want(and probably also get something else in the trade). So making this trade really would amount to the 76ers giving away Okafor to their rival. This trade makes sense if you’re Boston, but not Philadelphia.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 05/24/2016 - 7:25am #1065351
SeBirschingParticipantWhy does everyone assume that the 76ers want to trade Okafor? Also, why would they willingly help out their division rival? Nobody wants to trade for the #3 pick because there is such a dropoff in talent after Simmons and Ingram. If they trade Okafor at all, it doesn’t have to be for pick #3. They could trade him for a slightly lower pick (#4, 5, or 6) and still probably get the guy they want(and probably also get something else in the trade). So making this trade really would amount to the 76ers giving away Okafor to their rival. This trade makes sense if you’re Boston, but not Philadelphia.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 05/24/2016 - 7:30am #1065233
Memphis MadnessParticipantI DO like Nerlens Noel in Boston green. BUT, they would STILL need a guy like Buddy Hield to complete the perimeter rotation.
What about a trade for Dario Saric?
Something like 16, 23, 31, 58 plus cash to Philly for Saric and 26?
If I am Boston I am going with Buddy Hield at 3. OR, trade down to 4, get some extra assets back from the Suns and then take either Hield or Bender.
At 26, go with Thon Maker.
Big man rotation of Olynyk, Maker, Sully, and Saric. Crowder at the 3 with a Four Horsemen backcourt rotation of Smart, Hield (if taken over Bender), Isaiah Thomas, and Avery Bradley.
At 31 and 51 I am looking at small forward depth. Maybe Daniel Hamilton out of UConn. Maybe Kyle Wiltjer out of Kentucky. Even an oversized 2 guard. So, Villanova’s Josh Hart might be the pick at 51.
If they hold onto the 58th pick then I like do-everything utility/glue guy Thomas Walkup.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 05/24/2016 - 7:30am #1065355
Memphis MadnessParticipantI DO like Nerlens Noel in Boston green. BUT, they would STILL need a guy like Buddy Hield to complete the perimeter rotation.
What about a trade for Dario Saric?
Something like 16, 23, 31, 58 plus cash to Philly for Saric and 26?
If I am Boston I am going with Buddy Hield at 3. OR, trade down to 4, get some extra assets back from the Suns and then take either Hield or Bender.
At 26, go with Thon Maker.
Big man rotation of Olynyk, Maker, Sully, and Saric. Crowder at the 3 with a Four Horsemen backcourt rotation of Smart, Hield (if taken over Bender), Isaiah Thomas, and Avery Bradley.
At 31 and 51 I am looking at small forward depth. Maybe Daniel Hamilton out of UConn. Maybe Kyle Wiltjer out of Kentucky. Even an oversized 2 guard. So, Villanova’s Josh Hart might be the pick at 51.
If they hold onto the 58th pick then I like do-everything utility/glue guy Thomas Walkup.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 05/24/2016 - 8:02am #1065243
machu46ParticipantI have a hard time seeing Philly trading Okafor for just the 3rd pick honestly. If it were a top 2 pick, yes, but I think Philly was very happy to have Okafor slip to 3 last year and I have a hard time seeing them valuing Murray, Dunn, Hield, etc. more than him.
0- Posted on: Tue, 05/24/2016 - 2:33pm #1065347
vulture711ParticipantYou never trade a good big man for a good little man and Okafor you can pencil in for 20ppg – I don’t think you can say that about anyone in this draft. No one compares as a low post scoring threat
0 - Posted on: Tue, 05/24/2016 - 2:33pm #1065470
vulture711ParticipantYou never trade a good big man for a good little man and Okafor you can pencil in for 20ppg – I don’t think you can say that about anyone in this draft. No one compares as a low post scoring threat
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- Posted on: Tue, 05/24/2016 - 8:02am #1065366
machu46ParticipantI have a hard time seeing Philly trading Okafor for just the 3rd pick honestly. If it were a top 2 pick, yes, but I think Philly was very happy to have Okafor slip to 3 last year and I have a hard time seeing them valuing Murray, Dunn, Hield, etc. more than him.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 05/24/2016 - 10:51am #1065293
BiggysmallsParticipantI see all these rumors suggesting Okafor get traded to the Celtics and I’ve yet to see one of them be started by a Philly fan.
Why would the 76ers want to trade Okafor? He just averaged 19 points a game with Ish Smith as the starting PG for half a season.
If I’m Philly and Boston wants Jalil, I’m needing 3 and that Brooklyn swap next season.
Otherwise I don’t understand why Boston ppl think Philly would make this deal. Is Kris Dunn so good that he’s worth a potential 20-10 big man? Especially when the 2017 class of PGs is loaded.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 05/24/2016 - 10:51am #1065416
BiggysmallsParticipantI see all these rumors suggesting Okafor get traded to the Celtics and I’ve yet to see one of them be started by a Philly fan.
Why would the 76ers want to trade Okafor? He just averaged 19 points a game with Ish Smith as the starting PG for half a season.
If I’m Philly and Boston wants Jalil, I’m needing 3 and that Brooklyn swap next season.
Otherwise I don’t understand why Boston ppl think Philly would make this deal. Is Kris Dunn so good that he’s worth a potential 20-10 big man? Especially when the 2017 class of PGs is loaded.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 05/24/2016 - 11:42am #1065307
burgessfourParticipantis not enough to get Jah. Boston needs to add something significant.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 05/24/2016 - 11:42am #1065430
burgessfourParticipantis not enough to get Jah. Boston needs to add something significant.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 05/24/2016 - 11:45am #1065309
burgessfourParticipantI’m a big fan of yours, but Saric for that package ? Uhm, I don’t think so.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 05/24/2016 - 11:45am #1065432
burgessfourParticipantI’m a big fan of yours, but Saric for that package ? Uhm, I don’t think so.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 05/24/2016 - 12:26pm #1065317
celtics are rawesumParticipantthe 76ers probably will trade him because they want more years to rebuild
0 - Posted on: Tue, 05/24/2016 - 12:26pm #1065440
celtics are rawesumParticipantthe 76ers probably will trade him because they want more years to rebuild
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