[MettaWorldDurant1Participant]

 Yea I know it’s still early but pre-draft the year before last everybody was so sure Jabari was so much more polished than Andrew Wiggins but I’ve always disagreed. I agreed that Jabari would be an impactful player from day 1 which he was before the injury. Andrew Wiggins has the potential to be great in the mold of Khawai Leonard / Scottie Pipen. I don’t know if it’s the BUCKS team  and the fact that there’s 0% spacing on the floor because of the lack of 3pt threats but IMO Wiggins had been more efficient, effective and polished in all facets of the game. I see Parker heading in the Jeff Green/ Rudy Gay crowd Possibly a Quicker more GAURD oriented Paul Pierce or a Homless mans Durant around the right team STILL. A really good player.

[VRod305Participant]

I said this before the draft last year, all last summer and I’ll say it again, Jabari Parker will be out of the NBA in three years. I love the people all summer that were talking about how he is going to somehow propel the Bucks to the Eastern conference finals.

This guy stinks. He has no position, he can’t shoot, he’s out of shape. He sort of reminds me of Derrick Williams his first three years. I don’t understand this love affair with this guy. Oh he went to Duke, that’s why. If he went to Florida State, he would have been a mid lottery pick.

[VRod305Participant]

I said this before the draft last year, all last summer and I’ll say it again, Jabari Parker will be out of the NBA in three years. I love the people all summer that were talking about how he is going to somehow propel the Bucks to the Eastern conference finals.

This guy stinks. He has no position, he can’t shoot, he’s out of shape. He sort of reminds me of Derrick Williams his first three years. I don’t understand this love affair with this guy. Oh he went to Duke, that’s why. If he went to Florida State, he would have been a mid lottery pick.

[ballislyfe25Participant]

Wiggins was drafted #1 overall for a reason and hasn’t missed a year due to an ACL injury, as Parker has. It seems to take about a year for players to return to form after ACL tears/lower extremity injuries and Jabari has shown flashes of explosiveness that should become much more frequent in the future. 

Parker, IMO, has been impressive this year given the circumstances of his injury. The structure of the roster probably doesn’t do him any favors but I’d bet that next year he will be the focal point. As for his game, I see him definitely as a 3, with stretch 4 ability, and expect to see him successfully extend his range to the 3pt line. He reminds me of a cross between Pierce and Carmelo due to his strength, sneaky athleticism/explosiveness, and midrange prowess. 

I’ve seen people on the forum suggesting the Bucks should trade Parker and of course Bill Simmons is angling for Boston to get him but I would absolutely not trade this guy. He has the potential to be the face of this franchise for many seasons and multiple All-Star game appearances. I love his game and trajectory and wish my team had him.

[ballislyfe25Participant]

Wiggins was drafted #1 overall for a reason and hasn’t missed a year due to an ACL injury, as Parker has. It seems to take about a year for players to return to form after ACL tears/lower extremity injuries and Jabari has shown flashes of explosiveness that should become much more frequent in the future. 

Parker, IMO, has been impressive this year given the circumstances of his injury. The structure of the roster probably doesn’t do him any favors but I’d bet that next year he will be the focal point. As for his game, I see him definitely as a 3, with stretch 4 ability, and expect to see him successfully extend his range to the 3pt line. He reminds me of a cross between Pierce and Carmelo due to his strength, sneaky athleticism/explosiveness, and midrange prowess. 

I’ve seen people on the forum suggesting the Bucks should trade Parker and of course Bill Simmons is angling for Boston to get him but I would absolutely not trade this guy. He has the potential to be the face of this franchise for many seasons and multiple All-Star game appearances. I love his game and trajectory and wish my team had him.

[holefillers1Participant]

 He has a bad body for someone coming off ACL surgery.  

[holefillers1Participant]

 He has a bad body for someone coming off ACL surgery.  

[holefillers1Participant]

 Tobias Harris type player

 

 

[holefillers1Participant]

 Tobias Harris type player

 

 

[VRod305Participant]

Wiggins was drafted No. 1 because he was the best player. LeBron should have kept him instead of trading for Love. Wiggins would fit much better on that team than Love.

[VRod305Participant]

Wiggins was drafted No. 1 because he was the best player. LeBron should have kept him instead of trading for Love. Wiggins would fit much better on that team than Love.

[Kokayne_DawkinzParticipant]

 You’ve crazy if think an tentative Wiggins would be a better fit with the Cavs. Love provides the floor spacing Lebron and Irving need to help them operate. It took awhile for Wiggins to become aggressive and in some close games he still tends to pass rather than look for his own offense. I can’t imagine Wiggins ever becoming the alpha dog and developing that mentality if he had to play 3rd banana to lebron and Irving 

[Kokayne_DawkinzParticipant]

 You’ve crazy if think an tentative Wiggins would be a better fit with the Cavs. Love provides the floor spacing Lebron and Irving need to help them operate. It took awhile for Wiggins to become aggressive and in some close games he still tends to pass rather than look for his own offense. I can’t imagine Wiggins ever becoming the alpha dog and developing that mentality if he had to play 3rd banana to lebron and Irving 

[Kokayne_DawkinzParticipant]

Now  I do agree however that the Cavs should have waited to just sign K Love as an outright free agent. I will never understand the logic behind not doing so. 

[MatosParticipant]

 They would have waisted a year off Lebron’s 2-year contract (and a year off his prime) and Lebron was in "WIN NOW" mode. 

[MatosParticipant]

 They would have waisted a year off Lebron’s 2-year contract (and a year off his prime) and Lebron was in "WIN NOW" mode. 

[Kokayne_DawkinzParticipant]

Now  I do agree however that the Cavs should have waited to just sign K Love as an outright free agent. I will never understand the logic behind not doing so. 

[VRod305Participant]

Love was one of the better players in the NBA when he was a high-volume rebounder that could finish around the basket and had some range. What they have now is a guy that lost some much weight, he is useless as a PF. He stands around the three point line and watches LeBron and Irving play one-on-one and hopes some miracle happens and one of them passes.

Wiggins can already do those things at 20 and is a much better defender. They could have had Love as a free agent, because he wouldn’t have resigned. It makes no sense, but nothing LeBron does makes any sense. I don’t understand giving away that late first for monetary reasons, only to overpay Shumpert instead of taking a younger, potentially better version in R.J. Hunter.

I hope LeBron understands that everything is REALLY going to fall on him if he doesn’t win one soon, considering made all these bad decisions. He doesn’t have the built in injury excuse now (or at least until Irving gets "injured" again).

[VRod305Participant]

Love was one of the better players in the NBA when he was a high-volume rebounder that could finish around the basket and had some range. What they have now is a guy that lost some much weight, he is useless as a PF. He stands around the three point line and watches LeBron and Irving play one-on-one and hopes some miracle happens and one of them passes.

Wiggins can already do those things at 20 and is a much better defender. They could have had Love as a free agent, because he wouldn’t have resigned. It makes no sense, but nothing LeBron does makes any sense. I don’t understand giving away that late first for monetary reasons, only to overpay Shumpert instead of taking a younger, potentially better version in R.J. Hunter.

I hope LeBron understands that everything is REALLY going to fall on him if he doesn’t win one soon, considering made all these bad decisions. He doesn’t have the built in injury excuse now (or at least until Irving gets "injured" again).

[VRod305Participant]

Honestly, I wouldn’t be surprised if LeBron bolts if he doesn’t win one this year. There is a reason he won’t actually sign a long term deal and it isn’t money related. He needs a way out. He can just come out and say "Hey, I tried to do everything I couldn’t and couldn’t make it work." He goes to L.A, replaces Kobe, gets all the attention and gets an actual star teammate when Westbrook is a free agent the following year.

[VRod305Participant]

Honestly, I wouldn’t be surprised if LeBron bolts if he doesn’t win one this year. There is a reason he won’t actually sign a long term deal and it isn’t money related. He needs a way out. He can just come out and say "Hey, I tried to do everything I couldn’t and couldn’t make it work." He goes to L.A, replaces Kobe, gets all the attention and gets an actual star teammate when Westbrook is a free agent the following year.

[r377Participant]

I see him as a similar role to Rudy Gay – can score 18-20ppg but doesn’t really do anything else to help his team win….

[GBeeParticipant]

 Wiggins looks like he fits that description too. His peripheral and advanced stats are pretty awful. All he does is volume score at below average efficiency.  Defensively all we heard about was physical tools…blah blah, with zero consideration for intangibles. He looks apathetic and aloof on that end.  IDK too many good, plus defenders who started off with such little energy and attentiveness on that end.

 

 

[GBeeParticipant]

 Wiggins looks like he fits that description too. His peripheral and advanced stats are pretty awful. All he does is volume score at below average efficiency.  Defensively all we heard about was physical tools…blah blah, with zero consideration for intangibles. He looks apathetic and aloof on that end.  IDK too many good, plus defenders who started off with such little energy and attentiveness on that end.

 

 

[r377Participant]

I see him as a similar role to Rudy Gay – can score 18-20ppg but doesn’t really do anything else to help his team win….

[mgreener_34Participant]

 Why do we need to bring up Wiggins every time we talk about Jabari? Both guys are doing exactly what we all expected them to be doing at this point in their careers. 

Parker had a serious injury 13 games into his NBA career, so we have to take a wait and see approach to his game. He’s a second contract player at this point, and I’m fine with that if I’m the Bucks. Just use the next two years to develope the skills he’ll need to be successful. 

Jabari is averaging close to 12/5 in only 28 mpg for his career, and that’s not to bad when you take into account he’s the 4th or 5th option on a talented, yet underachieving, Buck’s team. He’s shown the ability to play in the post, shoot the midrange, and rebound at a decent level. Once he actually gets his legs under him and Kidd starts drawing up plays for him, he’s going to be a 20+ ppg scorer by year 4, and like I said above, it’s all about the second contract with him. 

Personally, I think the Bucks need to make some moves (Should have kept Knight), and realize that the only players worth keeping ar Parker/Middleton/Giannis, and look to build around that. Get a PG that can shoot at a high volume from 3, and get rid of Monroe, and get a center who can shoot as well. Someone like Serge Ibaka would be ideal, but unlikely, so many someone like Jared Sullinger, Gorgie Dieng, Myers Leonard. 

Right now the pieces just dont fit in MIL, and it def. is hurting Parkers game. 

[mgreener_34Participant]

 Why do we need to bring up Wiggins every time we talk about Jabari? Both guys are doing exactly what we all expected them to be doing at this point in their careers. 

Parker had a serious injury 13 games into his NBA career, so we have to take a wait and see approach to his game. He’s a second contract player at this point, and I’m fine with that if I’m the Bucks. Just use the next two years to develope the skills he’ll need to be successful. 

Jabari is averaging close to 12/5 in only 28 mpg for his career, and that’s not to bad when you take into account he’s the 4th or 5th option on a talented, yet underachieving, Buck’s team. He’s shown the ability to play in the post, shoot the midrange, and rebound at a decent level. Once he actually gets his legs under him and Kidd starts drawing up plays for him, he’s going to be a 20+ ppg scorer by year 4, and like I said above, it’s all about the second contract with him. 

Personally, I think the Bucks need to make some moves (Should have kept Knight), and realize that the only players worth keeping ar Parker/Middleton/Giannis, and look to build around that. Get a PG that can shoot at a high volume from 3, and get rid of Monroe, and get a center who can shoot as well. Someone like Serge Ibaka would be ideal, but unlikely, so many someone like Jared Sullinger, Gorgie Dieng, Myers Leonard. 

Right now the pieces just dont fit in MIL, and it def. is hurting Parkers game. 

[Jr. ROXASParticipant]

Ignorant. If Wiggins had Jabari’s role with the Bucks, then you’ll see why Wiggins seems more "polished". Bucks coaches just let Jabari stand in the corner, cut and wait for passes. Literally all the time. He’s being surpressed out there. Meanwhile Wiggins gets the ultimate green light in the Wolves offense and gets to do whatever he wants.

Put Wiggins in Miluwakee with Parker’s role…. Nevermind I don’t even want to think about it.

[Stop_basketball_nonsenseParticipant]

 Moving is a choice, no coach is the problem. I have seen jabari play once in the league because of my work schedule, but i watched almost all his duke games. I also have never been high on him. People said he could pass really well but he’s averaging around 2assists a game, he also is a horrible defender. If you put Wiggins on the bucks who I watched a lot at Kansas &,for the wolves, atleast there would be defense played, tell Parker to stop moving so sluggishly, wait he just moves that way innately. Dude moves with his head in his shoulders, elite players don’t move slouched over. 

[GBeeParticipant]

 Wiggins is a crap defender too. He’s been one of the worst perimeter defenders in the league so far this year by any metric. Among SGs, the only one with a worse DRPM is Marco Belinelli.  Among all wings (SG/SF) in the league he rates out as the 3rd worst.  That’s horrifically bad.

[ballislyfe25Participant]

This is the problem with using metrics as the basis of an argument; it ignores the multitude of other factors that impact individual play such as coaching, other talent on the roster or lack thereof, etc. Metrics should be used in conjunction with what one first observes on the court, more than a few times.

Wiggins has been given an increased workload on offense and usually checks the other team’s best wing. It is also only his second season. Sam Mitchell recently said that he will insert Tayshaun Prince back into the lineup so Wiggins can check the lesser of the opponent’s wings and conserve energy.

People are knocking Wiggins to defend Parker and vice versa but these two players are so young and so talented. They both are great building blocks and I expect multiple All-Star appearances out of both. Another note – no doubt Dante Exum is talented and has maybe as much potential as the aforementioned Wiggins and Parker but he was on a significantly better team last season and was basically just asked not to screw up and play defense. I’m a fan as well but it’s just unfair to knock Wiggins and Parker but act like Exum exceed expectations because he didn’t.

[ballislyfe25Participant]

This is the problem with using metrics as the basis of an argument; it ignores the multitude of other factors that impact individual play such as coaching, other talent on the roster or lack thereof, etc. Metrics should be used in conjunction with what one first observes on the court, more than a few times.

Wiggins has been given an increased workload on offense and usually checks the other team’s best wing. It is also only his second season. Sam Mitchell recently said that he will insert Tayshaun Prince back into the lineup so Wiggins can check the lesser of the opponent’s wings and conserve energy.

People are knocking Wiggins to defend Parker and vice versa but these two players are so young and so talented. They both are great building blocks and I expect multiple All-Star appearances out of both. Another note – no doubt Dante Exum is talented and has maybe as much potential as the aforementioned Wiggins and Parker but he was on a significantly better team last season and was basically just asked not to screw up and play defense. I’m a fan as well but it’s just unfair to knock Wiggins and Parker but act like Exum exceed expectations because he didn’t.

[GBeeParticipant]

 He’s a second year player, so I don’t expect him to be good defensively, but I also didn’t expect him to be as terrible as he is.  I question how many people actually watch him play when they still associate him with good defense.  People can talk about tools and defensive potential in reference to Wiggins.  That’s fine.  But automatically associating him with good defense needs to end.  He’s a terrible defender.

 As for the stat, or any variation of regularized plus minus,  it measures bottom line impact so a player cannot fraud his way into being rated as a good defender when he’s not, or in Wiggins’ situation, trick the formula into making him look terrible.  Any variation of RPM also factors in teammates and their impact as well in order to isolate an individual’s PM, which is how you can end up with a backcourt like the T’wolves’ where Rubio rates as one of the best perimeter defenders in the league while Wiggins’ rates as one of the worst.  Their numbers are not influenced by the team’s or their lineup’s PM.  

And Prince has been defending the opposing team’s best perimeter player for a while now.    

 

[GBeeParticipant]

 He’s a second year player, so I don’t expect him to be good defensively, but I also didn’t expect him to be as terrible as he is.  I question how many people actually watch him play when they still associate him with good defense.  People can talk about tools and defensive potential in reference to Wiggins.  That’s fine.  But automatically associating him with good defense needs to end.  He’s a terrible defender.

 As for the stat, or any variation of regularized plus minus,  it measures bottom line impact so a player cannot fraud his way into being rated as a good defender when he’s not, or in Wiggins’ situation, trick the formula into making him look terrible.  Any variation of RPM also factors in teammates and their impact as well in order to isolate an individual’s PM, which is how you can end up with a backcourt like the T’wolves’ where Rubio rates as one of the best perimeter defenders in the league while Wiggins’ rates as one of the worst.  Their numbers are not influenced by the team’s or their lineup’s PM.  

And Prince has been defending the opposing team’s best perimeter player for a while now.    

 

[GBeeParticipant]

 Wiggins is a crap defender too. He’s been one of the worst perimeter defenders in the league so far this year by any metric. Among SGs, the only one with a worse DRPM is Marco Belinelli.  Among all wings (SG/SF) in the league he rates out as the 3rd worst.  That’s horrifically bad.

[Jr. ROXASParticipant]

Well obviously you won’t get assists if the only shots you get are off cuts right? And Jabari averages 2 assists a game huh playing the PF without the ball… Well yea, Wiggins averages 1.8 assists a game. With plays being run for him at that. Go figure. 

And it’s ironic that you bash Parker that he moves so sluggishly when Wiggins moves the same way too. He ALWAYS lets rebounds go past him and loses his man quite often. 

 

[Jr. ROXASParticipant]

Well obviously you won’t get assists if the only shots you get are off cuts right? And Jabari averages 2 assists a game huh playing the PF without the ball… Well yea, Wiggins averages 1.8 assists a game. With plays being run for him at that. Go figure. 

And it’s ironic that you bash Parker that he moves so sluggishly when Wiggins moves the same way too. He ALWAYS lets rebounds go past him and loses his man quite often. 

 

[Stop_basketball_nonsenseParticipant]

 Moving is a choice, no coach is the problem. I have seen jabari play once in the league because of my work schedule, but i watched almost all his duke games. I also have never been high on him. People said he could pass really well but he’s averaging around 2assists a game, he also is a horrible defender. If you put Wiggins on the bucks who I watched a lot at Kansas &,for the wolves, atleast there would be defense played, tell Parker to stop moving so sluggishly, wait he just moves that way innately. Dude moves with his head in his shoulders, elite players don’t move slouched over. 

[Jr. ROXASParticipant]

Ignorant. If Wiggins had Jabari’s role with the Bucks, then you’ll see why Wiggins seems more "polished". Bucks coaches just let Jabari stand in the corner, cut and wait for passes. Literally all the time. He’s being surpressed out there. Meanwhile Wiggins gets the ultimate green light in the Wolves offense and gets to do whatever he wants.

Put Wiggins in Miluwakee with Parker’s role…. Nevermind I don’t even want to think about it.

[Hype Machine]

 I still think Dante Exum will be the best player from the class.

Might never have the best stats…but is a much better defender than Wiggins or Parker.

He’d be the kinda player that results in positive plus/minus

 

 

[Hype Machine]

 I still think Dante Exum will be the best player from the class.

Might never have the best stats…but is a much better defender than Wiggins or Parker.

He’d be the kinda player that results in positive plus/minus

 

 

[HitsterParticipant]

Jabari has only recently returned from a major injury, sure I agree he has been quiet this year and Jason Kidd is still figuring out how best to use Jabari, MCW, Greek Freak, Middleton, Monroe etc.

Jabari has played a lot less NBA games than Andrew Wiggins has, Wiggins has been given a clear role by the T-Wolves, Wiggins has a more polished PG to create for him. Jabari and Wiggins are playing different positions.

Wiggins has kicked on a lot more this year so hopefully Jabari can do the same next year. Jabari didn’t do a full pre-season this year and due to injuries got thrown back into the starting line up sooner than Jason Kidd may have wanted.

So I’m going to write off this season for Jabari and reserve judgement on him until about this time next year after he has had a full pre-season and will be halfway through next season.

He will have time to find his true role hopefully and I still think that if the Bucks are ever going to be a 50 odd win team then it will probably be due to Jabari becoming the star player he was tipped to be. I’m one of the Greek Freak’s biggest fans and he’ll be a stats filler, lock down defender etc but I think that Jabari has the potential to be the volume scorer that the Bucks want.

 

[HitsterParticipant]

Jabari has only recently returned from a major injury, sure I agree he has been quiet this year and Jason Kidd is still figuring out how best to use Jabari, MCW, Greek Freak, Middleton, Monroe etc.

Jabari has played a lot less NBA games than Andrew Wiggins has, Wiggins has been given a clear role by the T-Wolves, Wiggins has a more polished PG to create for him. Jabari and Wiggins are playing different positions.

Wiggins has kicked on a lot more this year so hopefully Jabari can do the same next year. Jabari didn’t do a full pre-season this year and due to injuries got thrown back into the starting line up sooner than Jason Kidd may have wanted.

So I’m going to write off this season for Jabari and reserve judgement on him until about this time next year after he has had a full pre-season and will be halfway through next season.

He will have time to find his true role hopefully and I still think that if the Bucks are ever going to be a 50 odd win team then it will probably be due to Jabari becoming the star player he was tipped to be. I’m one of the Greek Freak’s biggest fans and he’ll be a stats filler, lock down defender etc but I think that Jabari has the potential to be the volume scorer that the Bucks want.

 

[dwoodsParticipant]

 Wiggins is also taking an extra 7 shots per game (17) than Parker (10). Wiggins has the green light to do whatever, shoot more, score more, and his numbers are looking better as a result. When Parker does shoot (I think he needs to start being a little more selfish), he is shooting at a higher percentage than Wiggins in all categories except for 3’s..I think that he needs to learn how to shoot the 3 ball to expand his game and draw the defense away from the paint/midrange. He has the ballhandling skills to be a serious threat on the perimeter, he just needs to build confidence out there and keep the D honest from 3. I still think and will continue to think that Parker is a more skilled player than Wiggins. 

[dwoodsParticipant]

 Wiggins is also taking an extra 7 shots per game (17) than Parker (10). Wiggins has the green light to do whatever, shoot more, score more, and his numbers are looking better as a result. When Parker does shoot (I think he needs to start being a little more selfish), he is shooting at a higher percentage than Wiggins in all categories except for 3’s..I think that he needs to learn how to shoot the 3 ball to expand his game and draw the defense away from the paint/midrange. He has the ballhandling skills to be a serious threat on the perimeter, he just needs to build confidence out there and keep the D honest from 3. I still think and will continue to think that Parker is a more skilled player than Wiggins. 

[immortalone23Participant]

 Is that since the addition of Monroe, his development has taken a backseat for the sake of winning games. People forget that this is still a very young team even though they made the playoffs without Parker. Both him and Giannis haven’t taken many threes for example. one of them will need a consistent three point shot for the Bucks to be really scary.

[immortalone23Participant]

 Is that since the addition of Monroe, his development has taken a backseat for the sake of winning games. People forget that this is still a very young team even though they made the playoffs without Parker. Both him and Giannis haven’t taken many threes for example. one of them will need a consistent three point shot for the Bucks to be really scary.

[Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipant]

Jabari received a lot of comparisons to Carmelo coming out of college and those comparisons are legit. The one major difference between the two is that Carmelo had a much more effortless shooting motion at the same age. Jabari shot a decent % on three’s in college, but it has failed to translate to the NBA 3 due to poor mechanics. He uses his legs way too much in his shot, which causes him to shoot a flat shot without much arc. If you notice most of his misses end up short, especially as his legs get tired throughout the game. The acl injury cost him valuable time that he could have been working to correct this problem and right now he seems to have lost confidence in his ability to shoot the ball completely. I think he needs to work extensively with a shooting coach this summer to fix his mechanics and get his confidence back. The bucks lineup as currently constructed will not work unless either him or giannis ( preferably both) develop into reliable threats from distance.

 

 

[Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipant]

Jabari received a lot of comparisons to Carmelo coming out of college and those comparisons are legit. The one major difference between the two is that Carmelo had a much more effortless shooting motion at the same age. Jabari shot a decent % on three’s in college, but it has failed to translate to the NBA 3 due to poor mechanics. He uses his legs way too much in his shot, which causes him to shoot a flat shot without much arc. If you notice most of his misses end up short, especially as his legs get tired throughout the game. The acl injury cost him valuable time that he could have been working to correct this problem and right now he seems to have lost confidence in his ability to shoot the ball completely. I think he needs to work extensively with a shooting coach this summer to fix his mechanics and get his confidence back. The bucks lineup as currently constructed will not work unless either him or giannis ( preferably both) develop into reliable threats from distance.

 

 

[HitsterParticipant]

Jabari or Giannis have time to develop a 3 point range, also the Bucks would ideally want their backcourt to contribute more 3 point shooting too.

If Giannis developed a 3 point range and played as an SF then he’d be very hard to defend against given his length.

[HitsterParticipant]

Jabari or Giannis have time to develop a 3 point range, also the Bucks would ideally want their backcourt to contribute more 3 point shooting too.

If Giannis developed a 3 point range and played as an SF then he’d be very hard to defend against given his length.

[r377Participant]

What is up with the Bucks this year ?

I remember Monroe didn’t want to play centre for the Pistons, now he playing centre for the Bucks. He is not a great shot blocker. John Henson who is an outstanding shotblocker doesn’t get enough minutes.

Oj Mayo has been bad – 9ppg at 37%. I was quite high on Rashad Vaughn, I understand he is still young and raw so will take time to develop…….

[GBeeParticipant]

 They’re a young team with serious flaws on their roster. I personally don’t think they’re underachieving this year. I just think they overachieved last year. 2nd youngest roster in the league, with zero spacing, no starting caliber PG on the team which is why they have to rely on defensive (but risky) gimmicks to try to generate open court offense.   The acquisition of MCW was a huge mistake.  That guy sucks and shouldn’t be a starting point on any team.  They were 12-19 with him on the team last year, with a similar win rate this year.  They also sorely miss Pachulia who was the defensive anchor on the team.  He was quietly one of the most valuable C’s in the league last year and has carried over his play to the Mavs this year.  He’s one of the biggest bargain contracts in the NBA.

Word is that J.Kidd is basically running the show and has been the impetus behind the roster moves they have made since he’s been there.  They’ve made some pretty stupid moves, like acquiring MCW and Vasquez and trading away Zaza.

 

[GBeeParticipant]

 They’re a young team with serious flaws on their roster. I personally don’t think they’re underachieving this year. I just think they overachieved last year. 2nd youngest roster in the league, with zero spacing, no starting caliber PG on the team which is why they have to rely on defensive (but risky) gimmicks to try to generate open court offense.   The acquisition of MCW was a huge mistake.  That guy sucks and shouldn’t be a starting point on any team.  They were 12-19 with him on the team last year, with a similar win rate this year.  They also sorely miss Pachulia who was the defensive anchor on the team.  He was quietly one of the most valuable C’s in the league last year and has carried over his play to the Mavs this year.  He’s one of the biggest bargain contracts in the NBA.

Word is that J.Kidd is basically running the show and has been the impetus behind the roster moves they have made since he’s been there.  They’ve made some pretty stupid moves, like acquiring MCW and Vasquez and trading away Zaza.

 

[r377Participant]

What is up with the Bucks this year ?

I remember Monroe didn’t want to play centre for the Pistons, now he playing centre for the Bucks. He is not a great shot blocker. John Henson who is an outstanding shotblocker doesn’t get enough minutes.

Oj Mayo has been bad – 9ppg at 37%. I was quite high on Rashad Vaughn, I understand he is still young and raw so will take time to develop…….

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