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  • #42565
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    i think if you read thru the trade threats you will find more valuable info than the one mr. ford can give you. honestly

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  • #705011
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     That’s it?

    Wait, let me rephrase that.

    THAT’S IT????!?!?!?!?!?!?

    John McEnroe-like wonder fills me at the reported Dwight Howard trade to the Lakers. You cannot be serious! I keep hoping in vain for David Stern to intervene and void the trade for basketball reasons. Or any other reason.

    This deal makes a mockery of the new collective bargaining agreement’s alleged fairness to small markets; Orlando is selling one of the best players in the NBA for pennies on the dollar, while the rich only get richer. (But the tax-paying Lakers can’t sign-and-trade Matt Barnes — that’ll show ’em!)

    Mark my words: When we have our next lockout in 2016, this trade will be one of the flash points. The Lakers have a $99 million payroll, and will go over the century mark if and whenDevin Ebanks and Barnes re-sign. For the small-market owners, all they can do is count the luxury tax dollars from L.A. and golf clap over their 53-win glass ceiling. That’s better than losing money, but they’re still hermetically sealed off from a taste of the championship unless they’re either incredibly lucky or incredibly brilliant. (Schedule alert: The Lakers don’t visit the House That Dwight Built And Promptly Vacated until March 12.)

    To review the known details for each team in this complex deal, which is pending a Friday morning trade call:

    • The Lakers give up Andrew BynumChristian Eyenga and a protected 2017 first-round pick, and receive Howard, Chris Duhon and Earl Clark.

    • The Nuggets give up Arron AfflaloAl Harrington and a protected first-round pick, and receive Andre Iguodala.

    • The Sixers give up Iguodala, Nikola VucevicMoe Harkless and a protected first-round pick that can be no earlier than 2015, and receive Bynum and Jason Richardson.

    • The Magic give up Howard, Richardson, Duhon and Clark, and receive Afflalo, Harrington, Vucevic, Harkless, Eyenga and the three protected first-round picks mentioned above.

    Basically, I like this deal for the other three teams … and hate it for Orlando. Let’s break it down for each one:

     

    Orlando Magic

     

     

     

    I don’t feel totally comfortable ripping them because I don’t know what competing offers they had, but I have a hard time believing they couldn’t do better than this. Suddenly, overpaying Brook Lopez doesn’t sound so bad.

    The Magic didn’t generate that much salary-cap savings, but they don’t really need to. They’ll have max cap room heading into the 2013 offseason, and they’ll be even further under cap if they cut partially guaranteed deals belonging to Harrington and Hedo Turkoglu.

    But let’s put it this way: The two players they received as salary ballast wouldn’t have been my first two choices from the three other rosters in this deal.

    Afflalo is a halfway decent scorer who decided he was The Man last season and stopped played defense. He’s a hard-working, quality player, but he’s also owed $31 million over the next four years and he’ll be 27 years old by the start of this coming season.

    Harrington had a nice 2011-12 too, but Denver was wise to sell high. He’s also a Fluke Rule player (i.e., his stats can be expected to regress sharply next season), has a bad knee and is 32 years old. Just what you need to rebuild.

    Together, the Afflalo and Harrington make nearly as much as Howard, and I’d argue that their two contracts have negative value going forward (although the Magic could still cut Harrington after the season and save half the money since his deal is only 50 percent guaranteed).

    Oh, the Magic got some other things out of it, but it’s all flotsam. They received three first-round picks, but they won’t get much immediate help from those — Philly’s pick won’t arrive until 2015 at the earliest, and the pick from the Lakers won’t be available until 2017.

    The Magic also get two recent draft picks in the deal, Harkless and Vucevic, so they’ll argue that they got five first-round picks for Howard. But they’ll likely end up being five low-value firsts at the back end of the draft. In fact, they’re guaranteed to be bad, since our Marc Stein reports that all three future ones are lottery protected. Of the other two, Vucevic is a solid backup center but nothing special, and I thought Harkless was a reach as a first-rounder.

    Instead, the only lottery pick Orlando gets out of this is its own, after what figures to be a 19-win season in 2012-13 leaves the Magic with a top-five pick.

    The amazing part, however, is what Orlando didn’t get out of this: No Bynum. No Pau Gasol. Not even an Iguodala. I have a hard time believing they couldn’t stick the Lakers with Harrington and Magic forward Glen Davis in return for Gasol, given that the Lakers had no other realistic means of acquiring Howard.

    It appears Orlando wants to rip its roster down to the studs and emulate the Oklahoma City model — after all, new general manager Rob Hennigan came from the Thunder — and perhaps they can pull it off. Now all they have to do is select an all-time great and two other All-Stars in the next three drafts, and they’ll be all set to emulate the Thunder.

     

    Los Angeles Lakers

     

     

     

    This is going to be so funny next summer when Howard spurns the Lakers to sign with the Hawks.

    (Wakes up.)

    Holy hell, it’s good to be the Lakers. After somehow parlaying a pile of backyard trash into Steve Nash, they now have converted the very good Andrew Bynum into the absolutely dominant Dwight Howard. As reported, they somehow didn’t have to give up Gasol, or even take back any bad contracts. But I’m sure they’re crying a river over the 2017 first-round pick they had to give up. You’ll excuse the Spurs and Thunder for feeling like they’re playing a game that’s rigged against them.

    It leaves the Lakers with a bit of a Miami in 2010-11 scenario, where the pieces don’t quite fit and they have to figure out how to make them mesh. As it was with Miami, having pieces like these means it probably doesn’t matter.

    Process this: Pau Gasol is the fourth option. The Lakers are running the pick-and-roll with Nash and Howard, Gasol lifting for the mid-range J and Kobe lurking on the weak side? Good luck defending that.

    There is some risk that Howard will leave after the season, but it was equally present with Bynum. The new CBA incentivizes players to test free agency, so flight risk is part of the equation going forward. But again, when you’re the Lakers, flight risk is much less of a problem than it is for, oh, say, Orlando.

     

    Philadelphia 76ers

     

     

     

    I’ve been harsh on Philly’s front office, but this is a heck of a deal for them. Players like Bynum weren’t going to just show up in Philadelphia, but between having his Bird Rights and his growing up in nearby central Jersey, he’s about as minimal a flight risk as they could hope to get.

    Suddenly, the Sixers have a building block in the middle, and it didn’t even cost them that much. Iguodala is a heck of a player and will be missed, but the other assets they relinquished were fungible. And even though Richardson is on a bad contract, he isn’t exactly dead weight — especially with a big man to draw double-teams.

    Of course, this makes the preceding events of the summer only look more foolish. Elton Brand would have been great next to Bynum, there’s no need for Kwame Brown to play a minute on this roster (not that there was before) and Nick Young and Dorell Wright are redundant next to Richardson. Philly still has some work to do to get its roster shipshape for opening day. (Also, Philly: Any time you want to sign a backup point guard, go right ahead. Really.)

    But as for this trade? There’s no way Philly couldn’t do this deal. When you’re one of the Other 25 in the league, you have to take chances on elite players when they come. The Sixers are taking a calculated gamble, and it should pay off. Their worst-case scenario is they get one year of Bynum and drop Iguodala’s contract, which isn’t necessarily a bad thing on its own.

     

    Denver Nuggets

     

     

     

    I love this deal for the Nuggets. Loveitloveitloveit. Iguodala is a hellacious wing stopper, the perfect compliment for Danilo Gallinari, and his transition play will only be more terrifying surrounded by all of that speed in Denver. The Nuggets are selling high on two players (Afflalo and Harrington) who may have peaked last season (especially Harrington), and move themselves a bit closer to making their no-stars model a viable one for getting beyond the first round of the playoffs.

    The only little fly in the ointment is that they helped the Lakers get Howard. Um, that’s gonna be a problem. But Denver got better too, and did so while actually improving its cap position, since Iguodala only has two years left on his deal. The Nuggets wriggle out of about $23 million in future money, or $16 million if you subtract the non-guaranteed part of Harrington’s deal, and put themselves in position to be a cap team in 2014 if this doesn’t work.

    As an aside, it also appears that the Nuggets have become masters of what we’ll call the "delayed sign-and-trade." After mild overpays of both Nene and Afflalo last summer, done to keep each from departing without compensation, Denver quickly moved them along before the deals came back to bite them. The race between Wilson Chandler and JaVale McGee to be the next one should be entertaining.

     

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  • #705012
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    Thank you, BasketbalAllan.

    Can’t believe the rich still get richer even with the new CBA.

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  • #705013
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     you hear him? he thinks harkless was a reach in the first round? LMAO

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  • #705017
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    u mad bro
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     NBA is a &$#%#&@! joke now. so sick of the rich getting richer and all their band wagon fans! The biggest markets ( LA, Miami, New York) have kobe dwight lebron dwade bosh pau ray nash melo amare! Thats no coincidence! i miss the old days before super teams when almost every team had 1 allstar caliber player and it was always exiting to see which team would win the championship and to not just watch the same 3 or 4 teams win. When any of these teams win a ring now its much less deserved than it should be and all their fans need to stop making such a big deal that they won because its not hard to win when you have 3 superstars and most of the league are lucky to even have 1. I will always go for the small market teams and i dont even live in one!

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    • #705025
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      u mad bro

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      • #705044
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        u mad bro
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         good one tongue out….. no one saw that one coming champ. Tongue out? is that what you do when your about to cop a massive load from your boyfriend

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        • #705066
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          That has to be one of the greatest comebacks EVER!!!!

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  • #705024
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    Miami is not a big market team, they were actually in the middle of the market last year. The big markets are Dallas, Houston, los Angeles, New York, Brooklyn, Boston(somewhat baseball is bigger there).

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  • #705055
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    If this happened in any other business noone would care about it, but because sports need to be fair and the Lakers cant be good because that wouldn’t be fair for the other teams. All of the Top actors and actresses go to LA. Should we make them stay in places like Cleveland because the Cleveland movie scene needs to be fair. The NBA was at its peak when Bird and Magic dominated, and then it still was really popular when Jordan dominated. I would rather have 6 or 7 elite teams than 30 average teams anyday.

    Look how popular the NHL is and every team is average, that isn’t fun to watch, I would watch it if it was the Bruins, Canadians, Red Wings(I dont like any of them) but If they had the best players I would watch them. Soccer/football is the most popular sport in the world eventhough people know Manchester United will be a top 2 to 3 team in the premier league or win it every year. and People still watch Barcelona and Real Madrid even though people know they are the only 2 teams with a chance to win their league. 

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    • #705077
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      u mad bro
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       can you say bandwagon fan…….

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      • #705082
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        phila9012
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         I dont like any of those teams moron, I like the Timberwolves, and Arsenal (not that it matters). I just dont have a problem with them doing it because it is their right to do so. I watch the great teams when they are on because they are great, but I dont root for them

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        • #705869
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           chill out phila…im a wolves fan to haha. 

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  • #705126
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     It was a good write up. I don’t agree with the Harkless comment. He could be the best piece in the whole deal for Orlando. Which isn’t a good thing but he could be a long time starter in the league. 

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  • #705167
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    Denver actually matches up well with the Lakers. The Nuggets gave them hell last year and added Iggy as an ace wing defender and a guy who can also score some and rebound.

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