Indiana Pacers making moves!
According to reports, the Pacers have signed David West to a two year deal worth $20 million.
They're also in the process of acquiring OJ Mayo from Memphis in a sign and trade deal for Josh McRoberts.
I love the moves. Thoughts?
and 10 million per for a guy coming off a major Injury??? I knew they were going to over pay soemone but not David West, I guess Nene turned down the Max offer they were holding...Mayo is a solid player, why the Grizzlies would trade him for McRoberts is a mystery, they could have gotten more IMO...Oh well good for them...20 million for David West is kind of excessive, and totally expected...
What about Pycho T! He didnt deserve a starting role after his performance in last year playoffs?
If there is one thing I like about Larry Bird as GM, its that he is not afraid to make trades.
I have mixed feelings, though. Hansbrough played well last season, and I love McRoberts because of his athleticism and versatility. And West is old and not worth that much. But I do want the Pacers to be a contender.
Though the Mayo trade is definitely benefiting the Pacers, I dont get it. Why are they loading up on smaller guards. George Hill already crowded up the backcourt enough. Now, they will have Mayo, Collison, Hill, AJ Price, Lance Stephenson, Brandon Rush (who is all but done with the Pacers at this point), plus George and Granger, who are both more SF than SG, but each played a lot of SG last year.
Hate to see McRoberts go. I like the signing of West (I think), but the Pacers do not need another scorer nor do they need another punk-a$$ clown, and Mayo is both of these.
I love the *two* year deal for West. He'll have two years to show he can help us and it won't hurt us long term if his knee fails him.
And our backcourt is loaded, but I love the deal for OJ Mayo.
Pacers have quality young talent with Collison, Hill, Mayo, George, Stephenson and Rush.
WOW! I really thought the Celtics were going to get David West but I guess he changed his mind huh? I like David West and if he stays healthy, he can really make the Pacers a force to be reckon with. ATL is doing nothing so I can see the Pacers being as high as the 4th or 5th seed in the East this year.
And they're getting OJ too? and just for McRoberts. I don't know why the Grizz would do this. I thought Darrell Arthur was a solid back up but I guess McRoberts will be useful if Marc Gasol is gone. Still, the Grizz should ask for a pick in the sign and trade. As for Indy, this team just got a little bit deeper this off season. They have a solid 9-10 man rotation. Time for Collison to take the next step and become more of a leader for this team and make sure he sets everyone up.
Why acquire Mayo when they have Lance Stephenson, Paul George, George Hill and the others mentioned above?
I like what the Pacers are doing. They look like a 4,5, or 6 seed in the east to me. They are guard heavy but Mayo could be a stud in the right situation. Hopefully he gets big minutes. Not sure how the starting line up would look. I'd almost try the Mayo to point guard experiment again with Paul George playing the 2 most of the time last year.
Maybe A Collison, George, Granger, West, Hibbert Lineup.
With Mayo playing the 2 off the bench, George being able to switch to three when Granger gets tired. Let Hill play both the 1 and 2, then Have Hansbrough be the backup to West, and maybe even Hibbert if they want to play small ball.
"They're also in the process of acquiring OJ Mayo from Memphis in a sign and trade deal for Josh McRoberts."
No!!! Not this again. I don't like it 1 bit for Juice's sake. Pacers are stockpiling too many wing players. This is just beyond log-jamming (George, Hill, Rush, Stephenson, Mayo*)
All in all, I just hope it is a rumor, since we have no reference links.
"All in all, I just hope it is a rumor, since we have no reference links."
Mayo was the 3rd pcik, averaged over 20 points in his Rookie year and can actually stat in the NBA, McRoberts is a carrer backup at best and may not even be worth a guy like Arthur in a trade...I have no idea why Memphis would revisit this Trade Idea when it was clear back then It Sucked...29 other teams have a better big man to offer than Indiana, Im shocked again at the Genious Level IQ of all these NBA GM's...
This is the story from espn on the West signing.
By Marc Stein
The Hornets had been in discussions to send West to Boston in a sign-and-trade deal but NBA.com reported Sunday that those talks ended, which opened the door for Indiana to land West.
Which free agents are still available and where might they land? Chad Ford
The Pacers may not be done dealing, though.
The Memphis Grizzlies are in advanced discussions with Indiana on a sign-and-trade deal that would bring free agent Josh McRoberts to the Grizzlies and send guard O.J. Mayo to the Pacers, according to sources close to the process.
The Indianapolis Star reported earlier Sunday that the New York Knicks' pursuit of Jamal Crawford in a sign-and-trade deal with Atlanta and one more unspecified team was expected to put the Pacers back on the Mayo trail.
The Mayo-McRoberts deal, if it goes through, is a re-run of the deal that the teams nearly pulled off at the trade deadline in February before a snafu in submitting the deal to the league office resulted in the trade collapsing. In that deal, Memphis was set to acquire McRoberts and a first-round pick for Mayo.
Don't like this at all!
If it would have happened last year it would be OK, but now they have Hill so why do they need undersized shooting guard when they have Hill, George, Granger, Rush and as Bird said the most talented guy in the team - Stephenson on the wing why the hell do they need Mayo?
Dont understand me wrong I like Mayo a lot since highschool when everyone thought that he is the next MJ or smth and I do still like him but I just dont see him in Pacers especially when they have plenty of young very promising players on the wing who can have a breakout year like George or Stephenson ( Im actually very high on Stephenson if the attitude is right then why he cannot be smth like Tyreke was his rookie season ) so why do they need to get undersized 2 when they have plenty of players to choose from.
Could anyone explain me it logically ?
The signing of West meant McRoberts was the odd man out so they got good value in return. The change of scenery and being in a place that expects alot from him might do Mayo good and elevate his play and status in the league again. With the acquisition of Mayo, it's almost certain someone is on the way out on the wing.
The signing of David West might turn out to be one hell of a steal. A two year contract of 20 million dollars is a very fair price for this vastly underrated power forward. I've seen West play alot, he's smart, consistent, shoots over 50% from the field and over 80% from the line, averages around 20 ppg and 7,5 rebounds, he's a good passer, scores in the flow of the game, reliable defensively and he doesn't turn the ball over much. He might come up short a little literally but makes up by being a complete player without a real hole in his game.
2 years is great for west. Guy is underrated and still a top 15 pf. But i wouldnt want to make a long term comitment which the pacers are not doing.
pacers will be in the playoffs next year without a doubt.
they've just upgraded their worst two positions with an all-star and a 20ppg future all star.
collison, mayo, granger, west, hibbert? there's 3 huge scorers there, a legit 7 footer, a point guard, not to mention strong guys coming off the bench in hansborough, george and hill. that's a huge team. huge.
Bird was A great player but horrible GM like Jordan. I was totally Against the pick of Adma Morrison saying he is A farce.
i dont really have any problems with bird as a gm. He built a legit contender that was blown up by ron artest and bird had to go into rebuilding mode which he is getting going in the right direction. I mean he hasnt been spectacular, but i dont see any real bad moves by him.
Lance Steveson to me is A bad move he will likely be in jail. Tyler Hansbrough great around guy but everyone knew he wasnt going to trnaslate to the NBA.
stephenson was the 40th overall pick. Hard to call out a second rounder as a bad move since most dont last in the nba. Plus he still has a chance to develop. ANd tyler played like a solid role player which for a mid first rounder is what you hope to get.
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I don't hate OJ Mayo... I've just never bought into the hype that he was the next superstar. I've never thought he was better than Eric Gordon. I've been critical of his ability to get to the rim and his lack of free-throw attempts. I've written he wasn't a top option on a playoff team. I've also said he needed to play a better team game if he wanted to reach max potential in the NBA.
However, I've never written Mayo wasn't talented. He's a very good shooter. He's confident. He's offensively skilled (good footwork, good mid-range game, etc). He'll bring a swagger to the Pacers. I really like this trade. I mean, it's a steal. The Pacers get a top three pick in the draft who averaged 20 points per game as a rookie for a guy who got picked in the second round. I grew up with McRoberts and that's my boy, but this was just a no-brainer.
You have to give Larry Bird kudos. He didn't pull a Los Angeles Clippers and sign a 30+ vet coming off of a knee injury to a three year deal. West is a legit player at that four spot. And then he robbed Memphis of Mayo.
I don't think he's done dealing... The Pacers backcourt is too full. As it stands, the Pacers have the best guard rotation in the entire league.
Hansbrough is a rotational NBA player no doubt. He's just not a starter.
Yeah I guess you guys are right.
Did this trade go through?
If there is a BBall God he will place his stamp
You need to get a grip and accept reality about Mayo... He's not a superstar player... He's not a top option.
This is a great opportunity for him... A fresh opportunity for him. The Pacers *WANT* him... This is the second time they've tried to acquire him in less than a year.
He has an opportunity to start or play an important offensive role off of the bench.
Since you know it all. What does the depth chart look like?
This is training camp... There is no depth chart. Other than Granger, West (depending on if he's ready to go) and Hibbert, EVERY spot is up for grabs.
What do you project for your backcourt.
The the indiana pacers roster seems like a clusterf@ck. They basically have a bunch of players playing similiar positions. interesting to see them putting it togather.
I project a nine man rotation:
2nd: Hill - He'll push Collison more than people think. Collison's position isn't a lock. Hill is bigger and defends better. Has been a great training camp battle so far. Even Collison admitted this on his twitter account.
2nd: Mayo - George isn't a lock at starter... Last year the Pacers just didn't have a good enough shooting guard who could play both ends. Mayo will have a chance to start IF he defends. IF Mayo comes off of the bench, he will be given the green light in the second unit.
2nd: George - He plays BOTH wing spots, which means he'll get his minutes regardless. He's not ready to play a major role offensively.
Price - Will be 3rd string point guard. He's a decent guard.
Stephenson - Will be 3rd string shooting guard. The addition of Hill and now Mayo might upset him, but he'll have to beat them out at camp if he wants to play.
Rush - He's a solid player, but seems to have fallen out of favor with the Pacers. I expect him to be moved.
Jones - He defends and plays hard, plus has improven offensively... He could be the 3rd string shooting guard IF Stephenson doesn't have his act together.
Posey - He's been a no-show at training camp and the Pacers are trying to figure out what to do with him as I write this.
Pendergraph - 3rd string power forward.
But it's not that hard to imagine a starting lineup of:
And looks like Brandon Rush will be sent to Memphis with McRoberts, so you can cross Rush right on off of the roster.
I love this move... The C's signing West really doesn't make any sense at all... However this one does... Then getting OJ Mayo for "just" Josh McRoberts, is almost a plain robbery... We all feel that Mayo needs a fresh start and what better way is to be on a young team such as the Pacers.... Don't be shocked if they wind up being the 2nd best team in the Central...
I LOVE the OJ Mayo move. We all know he can play and score. i have no doubt that he can put up 20 PPG with the right team. The Pacers have incredible depth now. They have George Hill, Darren Collison, Paul George, Now have OJ Mayo, Danny Granger, Jeff Foster, Tyler Hansbrough, David West, and Roy Hibbert.
I believe that that will be their Nine-man rotation, and if Granger and Mayo can be "Co-almost but not quite stars/Alpha dogs" than they will be in great shape, and a top 4 team in the East. Reggie would be proud.
Why didn't you guys target Xavier Henry?
The Pacers are letting Posey go, the organisation reportedly told him not to report to training camp. Like my man IndianaBasketball said, Rush will likely be going to Memphis with McRoberts.
Will OJ Mayo resign with Pacers??? IDK right now myself but to be honest I dont see that happening, Mayo will want his own squad and more touches...he's basicly been told by 2 franchises that he's not a 1st option, so why wouldn't he find a place to play where he will be The Main scoring option??? Mayo wont be there for more than a season or two...He's either going to sign with Cleveland or Some west coast squad in need of scoring...
Henry wasn't the one on the trading block, plus the Pacers don't really need that type of player. The Pacers need another scorer... Someone who can create his own offense and Mayo is that guy. He'll be given the green light to do what he does best... Score.
And IF he defends like he did in the playoffs last season, he's the starter. I have every intention to believe that Bird will give Mayo every chance to be the Pacers' shooting guard of the future.
i really like every move their doin specially brigin a vet all-star like D west.. now they can use Phyco T as a energy guy, and if they get Mayo they will have a great backcourt with Collison, Hill, Mayo, And George LOVE THE MOVES!!!
Call me stupid, but if i'm the Pacers I might look to trade Granger. Let Mayo and Paul George play the wings. I think George is going to be a heck of a player with great defense potential as well. If you dangle Granger in a trade you could get 2 or 3 solid players in return or a pg like Rondo who Boston has been trying to let go.
I would trade granger also if i got mayo, love George's potential...
George will need to show the Pacers a MUCH improved offensive game if they're to trade Granger.
what about xavier henry ? i thought he was a good prospect coming outta college...
Pacers have amenstied James Posey, so scratch him off of the roster as well.
and possibly some picks too...I dont see Mayo staying there long term and They did draft a Granger clone in George last year...
My Pacers would look like this
Hill/Collison( I dont believe they traded Kawhi Leonard last year to have Hill play backup Pg, Collison has proven to be a great backup and change of pace Pg...)
Martin/Jones(I'd trade Stephanson ASAP to a Jail Blazers type of Team) Martin would be the Reggie Miller type raining 3's nightly, Jones is a solid backup Sg who defends and runs the break well, hits a 3 or two as well
George/AK47(they are rumored to love AK and are trying to sign him)
West/Scola/Hansbrough(you can never have too many Pf/C's in The NBA)
Hibbert/Veteran C...I believe Hibbert could be the Rik Smits for This Pacers squad...He'd have 3 other solid bigs around him, with a sharp shooter to open up the High/Low post area...
Dont get me wrong I love granger and you know I love me some OJ too but I don't Mayo staying after his rookie deal and Granger could be replaced by adding AK47 and letting Paul George develope as the starter Or 6th man(much like Jalen Rose was) George wouldn't need to start to play major minutes and be the best offensive weapon on the Team some day...
how do u like my Indiana Pacer squad Tezo??? very realistic and not at all taking a step backwards...Martin/Scola and AK47 in place of Mayo and Granger...
I really like the David West deal as the salary is reasonable when you consider what other FA's are getting and on a two year deal there is very limited downside as if he does not refind his old form next year he becomes an expiring contract so can be moved on fairly easily. I'm surprised that David West passed on 3 years at Boston for $27 to $29 million as I cannot see him making say $9 million as a 33 year old in 2013. Maybe he wanted a bigger role and to be more a focal point and the Pacers is the perfect fit for him.
He gives them a legit 2nd scorer behind Grainger and if Mayo does come in then the young core just got even better. I'm not predicting a return to the pre-brawl in the Hall type success but the Pacers can be solid play off team for the next few years behind the big hitters out East and could maybe get up to 5th or 6th seed and win a play off series or two.
Turns out the deal for OJ Mayo has NOT been completed...
And the owner of the Grizz has said Memphis isn't trying to move Mayo. Smh.
IF the Pacers can't acquire Mayo, they're going after Jamal Crawford or Rodney Stuckey. According to reports, they're still after Rondo too.