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Im Sold...

I hate to say this because I dont like to judge a guy before the every plays a game in the NBA, BUT, I'm sold on Rubio....

Go ahead and talk about not judging a guy before he ever plays a game but I am doing it..

Gah!!!!!!!!

Okay, here is why I am sold.

This kid looks like he is going half speed most of the time but is always moving faster than most..
He makes some of the best passes I have ever seen but he doesnt have the types of players to finish,.
He doesnt use his size to his advantage but will be taught to when he gets here..
Has an awkward jumper but his form is solid.. Flips wrist and follows through..
Wants to pass and that is welcome in the NBA..
Great defender but looks to not put lots of effort in it..
Always knows where everyone is on the floor..
Never gets rattled..
SUPERB ball handler..

Honestly, I cant see a negative in his game.. He cant jump and he isnt really strong but do you need that stuff to be a great PG? Nah..

What does everyone else think of him a year after he has been drafted??


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its harder to score in euro

its harder to score in euro ball becuase of the defense, its hard for a point guard over there, the reason is rubio is not a shooting type of point guard he will eighter drive or pass but since euro ball defense is focused mostly in the post and goaltending is aloud rubio really cant score uless its on fast breaks or free throws. i think he will be better when he gets to the nba because of the different style of play

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All I can say is: Welcome to

All I can say is: Welcome to the Club.

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He'll be a solid point guard,

He'll be a solid point guard, but I'm not sold that he's going to be the next Steve Nash w/o the shot, or Pete Maravich, or the next Jason Kidd.

He's not much of a defender and strong PG's would take this guy to the sewer. Guys like Deron Williams, Jonny Flynn, Derrick Rose, Andre Miller, Jameer Nelson, Raymon Felton, Baron Davis.

I see him as a 13-9 guy.

I see the Jose Calderon in him, just not the Steve Nash in him.

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He's going to be much better

He's going to be much better when he gets in the NBA..becuz of the time clock..and rules ..that allows talented ofensive players do they thang

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The difference between all of

The difference between all of those guys you listed, Rubio is 6-5 and has long arms. He may not be a good defensive player like Kidd but he's a terrible defensive player like Nash. He should be a average defensive player at the worst.

I don't know about 13-9. I would say 16-12. He needs to go to the right team. I think if he goes to a run and gun team...he will be alright.

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16 and 12?? WOW those are

16 and 12?? WOW those are Steve Nash Like numbers. He is not on that level the kid's has no jumpshot.
Is he better than Westbrook?
John Wall
BD
Chris Paul
Jammer Nelson
Deron Williams
Derrick Rose
Darren Collison
Rondo
Nash
Brandon Jennings
Tyreke Evans
Chauncey Billups
Johnny Flynn
Andre Miller
Tony Parker
Aaron Brooks
He isnt better than anybody i named.

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I agree with Tongue-Out, he

I agree with Tongue-Out, he summed it up perfectly

Im sold that Rubio is a legit NBA player, but not sold on him being "the next big thing" as hes being labeled.

His passing ability is definitely on the NBA level, but can he shoot in the NBA? defend?

He gets the "good/great defender" label alot as well, I dont see that. He plays the passing lanes and gets occasional steals, but hes not gonna shutdown anybody on the defensive end. As Mr. Knick just mentioned his measurements help, but those still dont qualify him as a good defender. I see him struggling on the defensive end in the NBA.

And just like Tongue-Out said, I see more Calderon than Nash

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I think he will be alright as

I think he will be alright as a defender.

We have to flip it around to see it: how many people will be able to guard him on Tounge out's list? None of them he listed plays above average defense and only Rose has the potential to be a above average defender. I'll say it now. I don't think he would stop a Deron Williams either.

Plus, he's still 19. He has time to develop the defense and other things. Go look at other PG's at 19 and you will see flaws. Rubio just needs to develop the ability to keep in front of other guards. He did get some steals and stayed in front of Rose when he was out there. Stephen Curry couldn't stay in front of him either.

I think he's a alright shooter and should be able to slash well to the basket in the NBA.

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I'm you drop Rubio into a

If you drop Rubio into a team where he can run and is able to use his full abilities, I think he's a stud.

Put it like this: I'm 100% sure, if you called a couple of those teams and said, we'll give you Rubio for your PG. Some of those guy would be dealt. I would say Nelson, Collison, Flynn, Miller, Brooks and Davis are all probably traded for Rubio if given the chance.

Couple things: If Baron Davis wasn't in LAC, I think Rubio would have went 1st in 09 if not, it would have been a HUGE debate. We also forget, like 10 teams were trying to move up for Rubio. He was seen highly ranked by scouts and people who seen the Olympics.

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What has he proven yet?

What has he proven yet? Nothing at all. Let him play in the NBA first then say is better than some of the all-stars i named
Can rubio stop Brooks? No
Davis would beast Rubio in the post
He has no jumpshot at all
Rubio is a great passer thats it.

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Huge Debate?? Rubio over

Huge Debate??
Rubio over Blake?
Nobody would do that
Blake is a monster its wouldnt be a debate.

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He might not be but hes 19 so

He might not be but hes 19 so hes not supposed to be an all star yet.

I actually think hell struggle a little bit at first but hes gonna develop into a very good player.

And hes a very underrated defender, hes still 19 do you expect this guys to be locking down guys like Derrick Rose, and Rajon Rondo?

Hes a solid defender whos gonna get better, hes just another player whos stereotyped a bad defender because hes European.

Unless your French, then your automatically a lockdown defender.

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@ Mr. Knick 32

"If you drop Rubio into a team where he can run and is able to use his full abilities, I think he's a stud."

That's the case for a lot of guys, but not everyone has that luxury.

I think Rubio could be better on defense, but he's not gonna hurt a team.. plus he has that wingspan & quick hands.

I see no reason why he can't put up Rondo offensive numbers.

13 & 9, maybe 14-15.

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MBD, your talking to someone

MBD, your talking to someone who seen tons of overseas Rubio games over the past calender year. I'm TELLING you right now: Rubio is better then Aaron Brooks today.

scorebuckets, it's not that tough at all. Give Rubio a run and gun team, a couple shooters and a solid big man and let them run.

Let me the first to say: He's not walking into the NBA and posting 16-12. I'd say it would take a couple seasons.

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Oh ok because You made it

Oh ok because You made it seem like he was stepping in avg 16 and 12.
But Name one other thing that Rubio does besides pass that he is great at?
He cannot Shoot
Brooks avg 19 and 5 this past year no way is Rubio better than him right now, Rubio cant guard Brooks he drop 43 this past season on the Timberwolves.
Is Rubio going to avg that right now today?
Rubio isnt quick or super fast he needs weight on his frame and besides passing he isnt great at anything else. He has a great IQ

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are you kidding me w/ that

are you kidding me w/ that list man. you cant be serious w/ that list i have rubio over atleast 7 of the guys you mentioned.

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Westbrook John Wall BD Chris

Westbrook
John Wall
BD
Chris Paul
Jammer Nelson
Deron Williams
Derrick Rose
Darren Collison
Rondo
Nash
Brandon Jennings
Tyreke Evans
Chauncey Billups
Johnny Flynn
Andre Miller
Tony Parker
Aaron Brooks
Who is he better than on this list??Who it cant be Brooks? 19 AND 5, Jennings had a double-nickel game, Parker? Nope Flynn Nope because Flynn already has experince in the NBA. What 7 guys are you tlking about?

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Note: Had Rubio not get sick

Note: Had Rubio not get sick in his final workout with Sacramento, he would have gotten picked over Tyreke Evans.

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Please slap urself 20,5,5

Please slap urself 20,5,5 nobody but Mike, Lebron, and Oscar avg that their rookie year
Evans would dominate Rubio.

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Rubio cant guard Brooks he

Rubio cant guard Brooks he drop 43 this past season on the Timberwolves.

You know Rubio didn't play right? Right now, Rubio's main asset is his passing. He can slash to the basket well, his jumper was developing during his season and looked alright vs USA. He also played big minutes in big games ( 08 Olympics where he held his own with players like LBJ, Wade, Kidd, Paul, etc), numerous title games in Europe, the Euroleague Final 4 this past season and today.

He could improve the jumper and his defense isin't the best but they fact he's a pure playmaker is a asset. How many pure playmakers are even in the NBA?

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I know he didnt play my point

I know he didnt play my point being is Rubio is not the type of player to drop 43 on any NBA team. He isnt a scorer at all. He is a great passer thats it. Playmakers-Nash, Williams, Wall, Rose, Paul. He doesnt blow by anybody he uses his craftiness to get in the lane. His IQ and Passing is all he has. Like i said he cant guard Brooks, he wouldnt be able to stay infront of him. One game let's see him do it over 82 games before you say he is better than a guy who avg 19 and 5.

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Please slap urself 20,5,5

Please slap urself 20,5,5 nobody but Mike, Lebron, and Oscar avg that their rookie year
Evans would dominate Rubio.

SIGH...before the season, in the draft. Rubio was seen as the 4th pick until he had a bad scrimmage for the Kings and he got sick and missed the 2nd day of the scrimmage. PLEASE READ.

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So Rubio right now is better

So Rubio right now is better than Evans? Dont make excuses he got killed in a scrimmage. Evans is 6'6 guard and nearly unstoppable off the dribble. Rubio isnt better than Evans.

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So Rubio right now is better

So Rubio right now is better than Evans? Dont make excuses he got killed in a scrimmage. Evans is 6'6 guard and nearly unstoppable off the dribble. Rubio isnt better than Evans

Wrong again buddy, he didn't go against Evans. It was a solo scrimmage. Second DO YOU READ? I never said he was better then Evans.

Please slow down and read.

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You said he wouldve been

You said he wouldve been picked before Evans am i right? Why would you pick somebody ahead of somebody else if he wasnt better?A scrimmage to me means that you play against somebody maybe you shouldve said he had a workout not a scrimmage.

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One game let's see him do it

One game let's see him do it over 82 games before you say he is better than a guy who avg 19 and 5.

I seen tons of Rubio games overseas. He played well. All in all, it's all opinion until we see what happens.

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Thats overseas the NBA is the

Thats overseas the NBA is the premier league in the world.

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As Much as i love his game

Tyreeke Evans is not a point guard!
Tyreeke Evans is not a point guard!!
Tyreeke Evans is not a point guard!!!

Right now he is a top 10 SG in the league, who handles the ball a lot. he has mad skills, but this also covers up that he needs to learn how to play off the ball, and to work on his jumper. He also couldn't guard anyone. But he should be better at all these things by next season

As for Rubio, if he wasn't better then brooks, then why did the rockets offer brooks as part of a package to try and get him.

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As for Rubio, if he wasn't

As for Rubio, if he wasn't better then brooks, then why did the rockets offer brooks as part of a package to try and get him.

LOL, I didn't even know that.

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A passing PG could actually

A passing PG could actually be the perfect fit for the T-Wolves. They have offensive fire-power in Love and Beasley just waiting to be tapped. Add to that the athleticism of Wes Johnson and Martell Webster's shooting and they would suit Rubio perfectly. I really hope he comes over soon, he would be great to watch.

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I don't see him playing for

I don't see him playing for the Wolves man.

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Rubio

I am officially VERY impressed. My only real concern is that Rondo's, Chris Pauls, and as we saw tonight Derrick Rose's are going to eat him alive off the dribble. However, there is a simple solution to that. Pair him with a shorter combo guard, who can cover point guards. He will have to get stronger to Cover 2 guards, but he has very quick hands, and can get the job done.

He was giving Rose fits today with those hands. Did not expect to see that. First thing he did was pick his pocket when he got in the game.

His passing truly was remarkable and unconventional at times. He was too wild and it cost them in the end, but that comes with age. Was more of a competitor than I thought. I had wondered if he was just a hot dog, but I think he gets that rep because he will throw a pass from any angle. He is very unselfish, but a capable scorer.

I'm not sure he is a superstar but the intrigue is definately there and he will be very marketable as well. Me thinks David Kahn was very happy watching the game today. Definately a top 5 draft pick talent.

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I may be wrong but i think

I may be wrong but i think him going to the ACB at such an early age kind of hurt some his aggressiveness. Since he has always been the youngest player on every team he has played for he seems to defer to other players a little too much
(He drove, and actually got to the rim a few times yesterday before kicking it out for a pass to his cold teamates..the last time he did it might have cost them the game..that and the fact he made it a behind the back pass)

When watching him play, yes he will amaze you with his point guard skills and high IQ, but at the same time you never see a player that was putting up 50+ points as a 14 year old

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I've been very high on Rubio since I saw him play for the first time a few years back. He has a way of controlling the offense and he just knows things. Does that sound weird to you? Then you haven't seen him play enough.

I would have taken him over Thabeet without the slightest hesitation, and I thought the Kings were stupid for drafting Evans ahead him. I'm a huge fan of his and I think he will be very successful in the NBA.

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Rubio was consensus top two

Rubio was consensus top two pick if he had decided to come over to the NBA straight away in whichever year he declared and I have always rated him and Wall at the same level. Aaron Brooks has had 3 years in the NBA so should be ahead of Rubio but give Ricky a couple of years in the NBA and he will be up there with Wall, Rose etc just behind CP3 and Deron Williams.

At the T-Wolves he can be a pass first type guy if you could run him and Flynn together in the backcourt with Rubio guarding the SG perhaps. Rubio's defence will get better and he can use his size advantage over other PG's to useful effect if he did have to guard them.

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The thing that I think leads people to like Rubio is not only his advanced offensive abilities for his age, but also his all-around game. He may not be a defensive stopper on the level of Jason Kidd in his prime, but he is not a total liability at the position, and like Kidd he has some length that he can use to advantage on defense. He has great instincts and he plays very hard on that end of the court and that is why I think people are so impressed by him. I know I have been impressed with his defensive ability for a player as young as Rubio, so I do not really see it being as glaring a liability as a Calderon or Nash. That is why Minnesota has to be incredibly hopeful to get him on their team, because he has done a lot to show that he can contribute and eventually match-up against the best. The 2009 draft was indeed the PG draft, and while Rubio may indeed be maybe the 4th best at that position as of right now (behind Evans, Curry and Jennings, the former two being labeled more as shooting guards coming into the draft), that still puts him at a very high level. His athleticism is definitely average, but still at a level where he will not just get killed off of the dribble every time. With the way he has played in Europe and in international play, I have to say I am a believer in his talents. I always liked Jennings better than Rubio, but Ricky is no joke. To be contributing on a team of Spain's level at such a young age is damned impressive, and while he had a few mistakes in the game, I think he more than held his own for the most part. I also think that a lot of people may want to play with this guy, as he appears to be a real pass first PG and does not seem to dominate the ball as much as some in his position might, so, cross your fingers T-Wolves fans.

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Rubio... people who actually know say...

These are oppinions on Rubio are the ones I'll take more seriously since they are from Rubio's opponents.

As per USA TODAY

U.S. coach Mike Krzyzewski expects Rubio to be a great NBA guard as he continues to physically grow. "He's gotten bigger and he plays outstanding defense, and because he's a pass-first guard he's going to be liked by everybody who plays with him," said Krzyzewski, whose U.S. team came up against Rubio in the Olympic final two years ago. "He's improved his shooting and he's not afraid." USA Today
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By Paul Logothetis, AP Sports Writer
MADRID — Ricky Rubio continued to impress despite Spain's 86-85 loss to the United States in a friendly game Sunday.
The teenage point guard scored seven points and had three assists for Spain, and proved to be a key player at the "Magic Box" center down the stretch thanks to impressive dribbling and no-look passes.

While Kevin Durant managed to block Rubio's last-gasp attempt at the close, the Oklahoma City forward came away impressed from his first brush with the 19-year-old.

"He's an amazing defender, that's one thing that stood out to me is how well he pressured the ball and disrupted our offense," said Durant, who led the game with 25 points. "He's flashy, he's crafty as well and the passes he did tonight were kind of amazing."

Rubio's stutter-step into the lane drew defensive attention and allowed him to feed Felipe Reyes for an easy lay-in for Spain's first lead of the game with 90 seconds to play.

Rubio's entry in the first half helped energize a flagging Spanish side that was in danger of falling far behind after trailing 16-3. He helped rally Spain to within 23-16 and drew gasps after providing an over-the-head, no-look backhanded alley-oop chance that center Fran Vazquez missed in the second period.

U.S. coach Mike Krzyzewski expects Rubio to be a great NBA guard as he continues to physically grow.

"He's gotten bigger and he plays outstanding defense, and because he's a pass-first guard he's going to be liked by everybody who plays with him," said Krzyzewski, whose U.S. team came up against Rubio in the Olympic final two years ago. "He's improved his shooting and he's not afraid."

Rubio has said he will likely move to the NBA after playing one more season at Barcelona, with the Minnesota Timberwolves having taken him with their 2009 first-round pick.

Even Chicago Bulls point guard Derrick Rose came away impressed from their duel, despite Rubio stealing from him on at least two occasions. But Rose got the better of Rubio as he got past the Spaniard on a drive to the basket that led to the lay-up with the clock winding down. Shortly after Rubio turned it over, Rose sealed the game with two free throws.

"It was great just to test him. He's a young player and he played great," Rose said. "He really runs the offense well ... I think he's ready for the NBA."

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To me he did a good job on

To me he did a good job on rose even pluckin him clean

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rubio so overrated. watching

rubio so overrated. watching that that usa spain game the other day it was so great when steph curry crossed ricky over on offense then on like the next possession pick pocketed him.

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Rubio

Some guys are really low on Rubio in states :) My guess is - he may end up a better passer than even Steve Nash. He simply possesses a better passing tecnique, and he is far more unpredictable on court as Nash. He sees passing lines before they´ll open, and multiple ones at same time.
He´s much worse shooter than Nash and he´ll never gonna as good as Nash. But he is a pretty good defender, he is crafty, has quick hands and simply thinks ahead of his offencive opponent. So he gonna get much steals like Chris Paul. But as he´s not a physical specimen, he´ll remain volnerabul at 1-1 situations against good athletes as Rose, Wall, Westbrook etc.
I think within 5 years he gonna be amongst 5 best pointguards in NBA and may even conquer the hall of fame some day. It depends heavily from team, where he will go. Right now he would superbly fit into Miami, Lakers, Atlanta, Dallas, Memphis, Orlando maybe New Jersey. Most definitely not to Minnesota. And he knows it.

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I guess U.S. coach Mike Krzyzewski is wrong about Rubio and you must be right. Afer all, you would be the one who knows.

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Thank Heavens for Tyreke Evans!

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Rubio is a very promising

Rubio is a very promising prospect but, I think people overrate (defense) and underrate (shooting) his ability... He seems to be a top notch playmaker and a average scorer.. His defense reminds me of Rajon Rondo (they are both good at using their length)... I think Rubio will be a allstar/borderline all star player, I just dont see a HOF player.... I think in his prime he could be a hybird between Rondo and Jason Williams (w/o the wild threes).... Im expecting something like 15 ppg and 12 asst (in his prime)... I dunno if he will be a top 5 PG (more like top 10)...

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Sacramento is still gonna

Sacramento is still gonna need a point guard. Evans will have to make the move to shooting guard if they wanna win a title.

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You aren't even half the man Tyreke Evan is.

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You aren't even half the man Tyreke Evan is.

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16 and 12?? WOW those are

16 and 12?? WOW those are Steve Nash Like numbers. He is not on that level the kid's has no jumpshot.
Is he better than Westbrook?
John Wall
BD
Chris Paul
Jammer Nelson
Deron Williams
Derrick Rose
Darren Collison
Rondo
Nash
Brandon Jennings
Tyreke Evans
Chauncey Billups
Johnny Flynn
Andre Miller
Tony Parker
Aaron Brooks
He isnt better than anybody i named.

I'm sure he'll be better than what Baron Davis is now and Parker isn't a big assist guy.
Johnny Flynn is nothing special don't kid yourself he's not an All Star.
Evans isn't a Pg
Billups, Miller, Nash, Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Nelson, Rondo are all vets
Also Rondo doesn't have much of a jumper but that hasn't held him back much.

Let Rubio get as much playing time as they have before we judge.
Brooks, Jennings, Flynn, Collison, Curry are at least young guys with less exp.
I wouldn't assume their all better than Rubio rite now its probably a lot closer than you think.
Also becaz Jennings had 55 in a game doesn't mean he's a great scorer.

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Thats what i am saying let

Thats what i am saying let the kid play first before people start saying he will be better than players that are all-stars. And Rondo is a much better Defender and Slasher and more athletic than Rubio.
I like Rubio's Game i think he is a great passer and has a great feel for the game,but right now he is better than any of those guys i've named all iam saying is let him play an NBA game first before saying he would average 16 and 12 his first year in the NBA And whats with this Evans isnt a PG, did he not play Pg this past year?

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let him play an NBA game

let him play an NBA game first before saying he would average 16 and 12 his first year in the NBA

I never said he do that first season so what r u talking about?

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