I'll say it..
Hmm.. I see NO posts from all the LeBron haters on how the Heat ROMPED the Lakers to the win.
James with a trip dub and had Artest on his heels all game.
Bosh with a double double, played very well and matched up beautifully against Gasol.
And Dwyane?... Hmm.. all he did for Christmas was SHUT DOWN Kobe..
If the Lakers would have won, we would have seen about 3 posts about it.. What about now? I'm not a Heat fan, but Wade has been my favorite player since '04. And I have a simple question, Is Dwyane Wade the 3rd best shooting of all time? JVG brought it up during the game.
I was thinking the same thing, but i think Miami's defense was very impressive, they just shut down the Lakers on a whole. Kobe was clearly frustrated by Wade's D, and i think Ilgauskas did superb in forcing Gasol into really tough shots. As for Wade being top 3 SG of all time, i think so, behind Kobe and Jordan. Unless there's anyone else that someone can think of...?
Clyde Drexler or Wade??? Thats the only other person who comes to mind...
LA played soft as balls...gotta give a lot of credit to heats Defense
Jordan ,Kobe , Jerry West ,Havlicek, A.I., Clyde, Wade
I was maybe thinking of Oscar Robertson, Allen Iverson, Jerry West are all in the conversation.
And Erick Dampier's picks were simply BIG... Nobody could get around his picks, not Artest, Fisher, Kobe. I think Erick Dampier was one of the biggest difference makers not named Bosh, James, or Wade. He and Chalmers really took it to the Lakers. Although Dampier only had 2pts, 3rebs.. What he did defensively on Gasol and Bynum and his job on the picks really made a BIG difference in the game.
I am not a L.A. fan nor Miami fan, but I did want to see Kobe get off today on Miami. I do not dislike LeBron at all I'm just not a fan of him pairing with 2 other Superstars just to win a ring. That's my take on the whole situation. I made the "GRINCH" Thread because it fit the theme of Kobe's shoes nothing personal against LeBron.
1 thing I would like to point out is Van Gundy does not make any since when he speaks..........Kobe clearly got a Technical foul for clapping his hands at the ref for a no-call and Van Gundy agreed that it was the right move by the official.......... But when LeBron and Artest got into it he felt that it shouldn't have been a Technical at all.
4 Words Van Gundy......... Shut The F*ck Up!!!!!!!!!
I would put Dwade ahead of Clyde, West, and havlicek its hard to forget how he single handidly led the comeback from a 2-0 deficit against the Mavericks in 2006. Dwade is a beast and still the second best player on his own team that shows how dangerous the Heat can be
Lakers missed alot of makeable shots...not to take anything from Miami but they did play some tuff D.
who is better:
if you guys could give your opions it would be greatly appricatied
Wade is not the 3rd best sg of all time. He has only been playing a little over 7 years and has missed a good amount of games to injury. Not even close.
How about the Laers fans breaking out the MVP chant for LeBron? Priceless.
Lakers fans are too fickle sometimes. One game and some just go off the handle.
LeBron impressed me. I said after the second Orlando/Miami game, the Heat are probably the best defensive team when it comes to the wings. Between Chalmers, Wade and James, it's tough to get a shot off unless it's late in the shot clock and even then, it's probably the guy you don't want shooting.
Chris Bosh is a nightmare for Lamar Odom. Bosh was able to take him down low and punish him a lot this game. Then, when Gasol came to guard him, he extended his range. Very impressed.
I was shocked the way Wade defended Kobe. Very impressed with that too. Another note: Once Miller comes back, man is this team gonna be good. Alot of teams crash in on Wade and James and there were dozens of wide open shots for the shooters like Arroyo.
Let me be the first to say, as I'm sure many Lakers fans will as well, that this game really means nothing in the grand scheme of things. That the Lakers have proven themselves in the playoffs and that Miami hasn't done that yet.
That being said, it is going to get really irritating to hear that, when you know that had the Heat lost, this would spell their impending doom and solidify the fact that the Lakers are better and will win their third straight championship.
I know that there are plenty of reasonable Lakers fans out there, many on this board, but I'm sure we are still going to hear that a ton, and as I said, I bet it will get pretty annoying.
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When I go to the park and play against people I know I can beat.. I don't say "This game isn't important" I still go out there and play hard and give it everything, I highly doubt Kobe played any softer because he's "proven"
I don't disagree with you at all.
"LA played soft as balls..."
What balls have you been grabbin' on?
I thought this would be a close game either way.
Kobe needs to stop barking at the refs it doesn't help and lets hope Phil Jackson doesn't talk about it in the media. Arest with a head lock was funny being physical with Lebron won't work he'll outmuscle Artest and I think he gets up to face him.
Outside of Odom no one really played well, 1 block shot and 9 forced turnovers won't get it done either.
The easy schedule for the Lakers is over with, now we find out how great of a regular season team they'll be.
For the Heat that was a great win, I thought Wade played well despite the bad shooting considering he had to guard Kobe most of the game. Forget the 3rd best SG of All time long way to go before he's 3rd. More importantly he's closing the gap some between him and Kobe today.
Maybe we were wrong about the Heat, they won w/out much help from the bench. If Mike Miller gets going that'll make them a better offensive team. For some reason they have problems against the Mavs but beat the Lakers easily seems odd since the Mavs don't have bigs as good as L.A.
I always thought Bosh was a star player and not a superstar.
Seriously... I havent seen anything thats makes me think Wade is better than Drexler, Irving, or Robertson. None of them were great long range shooters, exceptional midrange shooters, and very good passers. He's in the second tier right below Jordan and Bryant, but you cant simply wash over players that Dominated everyone they encountered.
This game will be "important" for the media to make a big deal out of, and say it's a cause for concern, which I really don't think it is. The Lakers have been playing bad for a while now, and they still have 2/3rds of the season left to peak at the right time. The Lakers missed A LOT of point blank shots and layups in that first half that Gasol and Odom usually drop in, which would have helped the lakers out a lot on defense instead of giving the heat fast break attempts, and not to mention, it would have kept the game closer and competitive. Bynum showed a glimpse of what he can do against the Heat when healthy. Once they get bynum back in the starting line up and playing up to his ability, they will be much better. Once playoff time comes, the last thing that will be on these players mind will be an exhibition game in December. When the Heat have to go through Orlando, Celtics, and Bulls in the playoffs, they won't be thinking about that game against the Lakers in December. I'm not saying the game isn't important to the players, but there are more other things that become more important as time goes by in the season.
I think the Lakers are in more trouble than ppl think. Last year they were 24-5 in Nov and Dec. and the year before they were 23-5. This year they're 18-9 and none of Phil Jackson's championship teams EVER had a 4 game losing streak. The Lakers could easily turn it around, but they're not looking good early on
Would we have really seen 3 post?..How many Laker fans are on here? I know im one and LLperez is. And how often do you see us Laker fans make a post(dnyce excluded since he's not realistic)
We aren't surprised at the lost since the past two season we have lost on christmas (blown out by the Cavs). And every year the Lakers lose in some way that hasn't happened in the past and people say " oh this time they are really in trouble and blah blah blah". I Have zero doubts the Lakers will be right back in the title game and you dont seem many post because the Lakers have been there done that. Regular season doesn't matter much or interest alot of fans like it does with other fans. Lakers lose and its like " damn ok next game" Everyone knows the lakers can be beat in the regular season, even blown out in some cases, and every year there are post about this being the year the lakers go down and it last up until the last game of the championship.
Like i said every year the lakers pull a first in a negative way and people say " oh while this is the first time a laker team has done that so they must really be in trouble" i see that and laugh every time. The Lakers turn it up for the playoffs and know when games become important and they play as such. I'm not happy with it and rather they play like that for the whole season but it works for them so I'm content with it. When will people realize that they are reading the same book every year and the ending is not gonna change??.
The Heat played well, but the Lakers looked unmotivated. I don't understand LA. It's like this game wasn't as important to them as it was to the Heat.
Does that surprise you?..Every year the lakers play like the regular season like it disinterest's them. used to piss me off but i guess that's the trade off for stepping it up int he playoffs. This is why i would never put these laker teams with the bulls. The bulls stepped it up all day every day and if you beat them then you must have been on the top of you're game. with the lakers you can be playing at 80 percent in the regular season and still beat them.
I guess its better then the alternative. Being the Cavs who win alot during the regular season then lose in the post season
Wade is not better then Allen Iverson you guys think everybody playing now is always better then people in the past. Iverson, Robertson, and Jerry West all have to be ahead of Wade at this point.
Are you guys forgetting what Wade looked like Guarding Iverson when A.I. was still in his prime? he didn't have a chance because Iverson was one of the few people in the league faster, quicker, and with a better handle and pull up then Wade. Had Iverson had Shaq that year he would of been in the finals too. Instead Iverson singlehandedly beat the Shaq and Kobe Lakers before getting swept the rest of the series because the Sixers simply could not match up but had it been college basketball the Sixers would of had the title in one game elimination :) And look at the stats and winning records Iverson got him topped. And Legacy? Forget about it.
LeBron dropping that Trip Dub in L.A. on Christmas was magical. Where are all the Kobe is the best player in the world people and LeBron is a choke? I know it's one game but guess what the Heat now have a better record then the Lakers so its more then one game it's fact.
Right now career vs career i have to go with Iverson as the better player. I do think in time Wade will pass Iverson though. I still have wade behind Drexler as well.......for now
If Wade plays at this same level for about 2 more years he'll pass Iverson. He'll also have more hardware to add on than A.I. too.
Who do you think has a better chance of winning a ring with their style Dwade or A.I. Dwade plays better defense than A.I ever did and put the entire team on his back to win a championship in 2006. I'd much rather have Dwade in his prime than A.I and to me it isn't even close
Lebron haters quiet for once.
Don't forget last years X-mas game the role players Mo Williams, Varajeo, Hickson played great and thats not a norm for them. Difference is the Heat big 3 play consistently great even though Wade had a bad game shooting he more than made up with his defense on Kobe. Also last year the Lakers had a better start to the season even though Gasol was out with an injury, this year with Bynum out Odom has played borderline great so far and the team isn't as good. We know it all comes down to what happens in the playoffs. If somehow the Lakers end up being the a 3 seed or lower and only homecourt in 1 round of the playoffs they won't win the title they aren't that great to win 3 rounds w/out home court. People will argue homecourt doesn't mean that much but they'd be wrong.
2 years no way Wade has to play at this pace for 4 or 5 years more at least..
He wasn't great in his rookie season so he's had 6 great years so far.
Iverson had 12 dominant years and lead the league in steals 2 times, scoring 4 times, mins 7 times and free throws made twice.
Wade lead the league in scoring once.