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Ignorant Basketball debaters

Has anyone ever got in a basketball argument with someone real ignorant? I say this because I was at the barber yesterday and they were talking about Jordan vs Kobe, this one dude said Jordan had everything on Kobe was a better 3 point shooter and everything. I think Jordan's better than Kobe to but the whole time I was arguing why Kobe was a better 3 pt shooter and I don't even like Kobe like that and because I couldn't think of their stats he was talking to me like I was stupid and must've not seen Jordan play, $hit was annoying

Anyway anybody else have any debates with someone else like this?


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True..

I totally agree. At UC Davis in Chem, I got into an arguement with a guy in my class who was trying to tell me that Kevin Martin was the best player in the NBA. I was like, "all right man, we all have our different opinions." He obviously had no idea what he was talking about, so I just let him be.

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Yea you run into those every

Yea you run into those every so often. It's understandable when they don't agree with you because that happens but when they don't listen to reason or they think they know what's going through a players mind or entertain the thought of "maybe" it gets pretty sad. Of course both people will think they are right but there's usually room
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I overheard a convo at the

I overheard a convo at the barbershop where a dude was saying Dwight Howard wasn't the best center in the NBA because he was goofy. He said Andrew Bynum was better.

I didn't even say anything lol...

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^^^ lol..becuz he was too

^^^ lol..becuz he was too GOOFY?? thats funny

but it well be interesting to see how Bynum will do on another team...

why folks wait until they're out in Public to make FOOLS OF THEMSELVES??

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Why does bynum need another

Why does bynum
need another team. He's perfect where he is. The lakers will slowly tradition into his team by the time he's in his prime. He's in a perfect position like when Kobe played with shaq. The team
slowly transitioned into his team

bynum is more skilled offensively then Howard but isn't better. I don't see any center you can really get into a debate about being as good as Howard except Yao when he's healthy

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I remember years ago when my

I remember years ago when my uncle said bj Armstrong could be as good as Jordan if he got the same amount of shots. I thought he was joking but he was dead serious

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this guy told me that brian

this guy told me that brian scalabrine was the best player in the nba... turned out to be scalabrine himself

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My moron friend

My moron friend really tried to argue that Manu Ginobili was better than Lebron because he has a ring. Probably that fact that he was a cavs fan factored into his attitude toward Lebron.

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I was at school and since I'm

I was at school and since I'm in Toronto, all of the not as big basketball fans only really know the Raptors. Then I overheard a discussion on why Chris Bosh is the best player in the league and how Calderon was the best point guard in the league...

I just lol'd.

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Everyone who says "I was a

Everyone who says "I was a Heat fan before Lebron"

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my bet

I just won $10 yesterday b/c some dude was willing to bet his life that Kevin Durant was no taller than 6-6.....I get in these arguments everyday and has earned me plenty of dollars and a $hit ton of free drinks over the years....

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I hear you on that. A lot of

I hear you on that. A lot of people get so close to a player or team, they will not listen to reason. I deal with this a lot. I remember I made the mistake of saying that Kobe can do everything Jordan can skill wise but better a while back mainly because Jordan can first and Kobe copied a lot of Jordan's game and is a better 3 point shooter but Jordan was better because of intangibles but skill wise Kobe is better. I got so many minuses. I have actually seen old footage of Jordan and caught Jordan's later years. Jordan's stats were good but it was just he would always seem to make the right play that kinda sets him apart from Kobe. Jordan is not a great 3 point shooter but if you needed 3's he could make 7 or 8 in a row. Some of that is not skill wise or anything you can teach. He just did it and on the highest levels. This does not make him better skill wise than Kobe but it does make him the better player.

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Skill wise the only thing

Skill wise the only thing Kobe does better than Jordan is shoot threes, but I dont think Jordan was concerned with shooting threes cause his mid range game was so devastating...

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I have had people say I don't

I have had people say I don't listen to reason but I give them huge amounts of evidence to support why I said what I said and still it is like you are wrong. I get confused because I am like what are you seeing that has you saying these things. It would be different if they just disagreed because some things I say could go either way because they are so close but they will act like you don't know basketball because of what you say.

I had a guy want to fight me one time because I said Jordan Farmar sucked and Lakers needed to get rid of him and get someone better. It is about time Lakers listened because Farmar had a few good moments but there are better point guard out there and compared to them, he sucks. Dude went to school with Farmar so he has a bias. I don't know Farmar and as a Lakers' fan, i wish he didnt suck because he has potential but could never put it all together and he was constantly getting outplayed on defense and gave you nothing on offense if his shot was not falling unless he got fast break points. Hopefully on NJ he can get more minutes and show more stuff but as of right now i doubt it. I see him at best being a Bobby Jackson type.

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billyk obviously I disagree

billyk obviously I disagree with you but I would like to know your sources so i can check them out. I have never seen any footage where Jordan had a better post game than Kobe.

Kobe's mid range game is pretty equal to Jordan's if not better. Early on in Jordan's career, he was pretty much AI like. He could get to the basket when he wanted and could make a decent amount of perimeter shots at mid range but he shot a large amount. He was more of a volume scorer but he was clutch. I don't see anything that Jordan did that Kobe can not do at all. Kobe was doing moves Jordan did not starting doing in him prime when he was young. Jordan would do a lot of stuff that people went wow based on athleticism but Kobe does a lot of that stuff with foot work.

I will say this I know it is debateable but I was just wondering if you had video to compare because when i do get some video that compares both of them doing comparable moves, I will put it up so people can see.

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I wouldn't compare Jordan to

I wouldn't compare Jordan to A.I Jordan was way more efficient early on in his career

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Sources??? Well if you saw

Sources??? Well if you saw both players play in their prime (which I have) you could see that Jordan prolly had the most polished offense game of all time.. Jordan was a more efficent player than Kobe..

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It was MJs choice not to

It was MJs choice not to shoot 3's he said he would become to reliant on the 3 and not drive to the rack as much and thats not his game.................If i can find the youtube video Id post it

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Kobe

Kobe used to make people go wow with his athleticism too though. Number 4 on this list is one of the best dunks i've ever seen.

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I have a friend i work with

I have a friend i work with everyday who.still swears.the best two point guards in the league are jason kidd and ramon rondo... that derrick rose and russel westbrook suck... stephen curry is better then both of them too- --- he has this illusion that coach k is the best coach to ever coach a basketball team because he's convinced that he's able to win with everyone elses leftovers... cause duke never gets any high level recruits... it'd take way too long to list all the dumb stuff he has said

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yeah i hate it when people

yeah i hate it when people legitamately think kobe is as good as lebron

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Some guys was trying to

Some guys was trying to explain to me why the Hawks should have sign & traded Joe Johnson, for Eddy Curry.

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My friend is an LSU fan and

My friend is an LSU fan and he tried to convince me that Marcus Thornton was gonna be an All-Star cuz he scored points last year and that he was runner-up in ROY behind Darren Collison (Hornets fan also)

To the video: 5 looked like an Amare Stoudemire-esque dunk, 4 should've been #1, and I wonder how many more posters Yao would've been put on if he would've been healthy

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Here's a new one rose

Here's a new one

rose now(year 3) would get the better of magic(year three)-wizkid

I think I'd walk out of the barber shop and clean my ears out withclorox after hearing that

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It would be hard for Magic to

It would be hard for Magic to stay in front of Rose in the open court but there's no way Rose would get the better of him

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Like Zeroooooooo said, there

Like Zeroooooooo said, there are a lot of people here in Canada who don't know much about basketball. How they over rate Andrea Bargnani is down right sad.

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IT's hard to stay on anyone

IT's hard to stay on anyone in the open court. You neutralize that by slowing it down. I really think some of y'all forget how quick young magic was. I'm
guessing alot of people on here remember older bigger magic

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I saw both players in their

I saw both players in their prime and I have seen tape of the young Jordan and he was crossing dudes over and I think he normally shot around 45 to 47 percent i forget right now but I will look it up. AI did shoot a little less than than percentage wise but still no one could guard him one on one and he could get to the basket.

It is clear we have a difference in opinion because somehow you saw something different.

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I saw both players in their I

I saw both players in their

I saw both players in their prime and I have seen tape of the young Jordan and he was crossing dudes over and I think he normally shot around 45 to 47 percent i forget right now but I will look it up. AI did shoot a little less than than percentage wise but still no one could guard him one on one and he could get to the basket.
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AI shot a LOT less percentage wise. Jordan never shot less that 48% in a healthy season for the first 12 years of his career. And routinely shot about 52% from the field until 1992. He was a much more efficient scorer than AI it's not even funny...

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Kobe has been better than

Kobe has been better than Lebron for a while now but since Kobe has a better team and mad injuries, His stats went down but healthy Kobe is better but Lebron did more for Cleveland and I think you will see in Miami where his stats will take a drop and he is not even as old as Kobe and relies mostly off his physical gifts and not actually skill. I am not saying Lebron does not have skills but he relies more on his physical gifts though.

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it would appear that some

it would appear that some things are debatable but others are just far fetched and I guess since we all have strong opinions it is a never ending battle because we could look back at stats but stats only tell part of the story and everyone has their bias even myself but I do try to think outside of them because I am a fan of basketball first

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Lol thank you Sub Zero even

Lol thank you Sub Zero even thou he changed my words I said let some else check magic like brewer or deng and you could make him less effective but nobody on the lakers could check rose with todays rules but I guess there is a in denial guy everywhere you go...

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No one on the lakers could

No one on the lakers could check rose? Since when did rose become unguardable? He's not iverson

and what did I change. Did you not say rose would het the better of him? And you're talking rose now correct so that would mean magic in his third year correct? Not even close. Magic kills him. The bulls would have to put someone else on him not that it would matter. Magic out plays any guy checking him on that bulls roster

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Yes thank you sub zero with

Yes thank you sub zero with the comment"there's no way rose would get the better of him"

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Exact words by wiz kid- Lol

Exact words by wiz kid-

Lol why you changing the subject were talking about Rose vs Magic not Lakers vs Bulls we know the Lakers would win but Rose would get the better of Magic

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I <3 Rose

but he would stand no chance against the best player of all time, Magic Johnson.....Magic would post him up at will anytime he cared to....

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andxxx makes the best

andxxx makes the best threads.

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lol I appreciate that

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and Jordan

wasn't a liability on defense.....he was a superstar.....

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