[JCliff24Participant]

Whether they are smokescreens or legitimate concerns as each day passes it seems as if there are more “sources” claiming the Cavs are concerned with risking the number 1 pick on Noel.

Rumors have floated around they have shown interest in Alex Len.

My question is if Alex Len is not worthy of a number 1 pick but the cavaliers still look to draft him, what will the package be to trade back a few spots to get the most out of their lottery win and still snag the Center and who are the teams most likely to be willing to move up in a “weak” draft to swap with Cleveland.

Would love to hear other options for the Cavs as far as packaging their 4 picks.

[Sharp ShooterParticipant]

If the Cavs draft another big, this means that either Zeller, Varejao, or Thompson are gone. They will be in a log jam. Either way it’ll be a head scratcher if they draft Len, because his game is similar to Zellers as well(or draft noel who’s game is similar to thompson).

But if they happen to draft Len(or Noel) I will assume they will trade Varejao.(hopefully for a sf). No matter how it goes, it just doesn’t make any sense to draft another big when you’ve invested in both thompson and Zeller (both are showing potential)

Personally, I think that the cavs should trade their pick(and a player) for a legit sf (Granger? and this gives Indy a back-up just in case West decides to leave, or if he stays it gives them a legit big off the bench for Roy Hibbert constant foul trouble)

[Sharp ShooterParticipant]

If the Cavs draft another big, this means that either Zeller, Varejao, or Thompson are gone. They will be in a log jam. Either way it’ll be a head scratcher if they draft Len, because his game is similar to Zellers as well(or draft noel who’s game is similar to thompson).

But if they happen to draft Len(or Noel) I will assume they will trade Varejao.(hopefully for a sf). No matter how it goes, it just doesn’t make any sense to draft another big when you’ve invested in both thompson and Zeller (both are showing potential)

Personally, I think that the cavs should trade their pick(and a player) for a legit sf (Granger? and this gives Indy a back-up just in case West decides to leave, or if he stays it gives them a legit big off the bench for Roy Hibbert constant foul trouble)

[bugattiboyaddyParticipant]

They should draft use there draft picks as bait to get Danny Granger from the pacers. The Pacers should be willing to trade Granger especially since they gotta sign David West back. The Cavs need a SF badly and getting Granger who is a former all star should be worth a number 1 draft pick or a reasonable deal to get him to the Cavs. I think Alex Len is a good young center but if the Cavs cant get him because of giving there number 1 pick up I think they could draft another big man in the later round.

[aztwulfParticipant]

Why not just draft Otto Porter? That would give you your small forward…….cheaper, younger, healthier than Granger, plus you don’t lose any other assets.

Either Porter or a trade down, if you get lucky enough to find a partner, as there isn’t much to separate the top 10 players. A few years down the road, the best 5 players out of this draft might get picked outside the top 5 or 6 picks.

[aztwulfParticipant]

Why not just draft Otto Porter? That would give you your small forward…….cheaper, younger, healthier than Granger, plus you don’t lose any other assets.

Either Porter or a trade down, if you get lucky enough to find a partner, as there isn’t much to separate the top 10 players. A few years down the road, the best 5 players out of this draft might get picked outside the top 5 or 6 picks.

[bugattiboyaddyParticipant]

They should draft use there draft picks as bait to get Danny Granger from the pacers. The Pacers should be willing to trade Granger especially since they gotta sign David West back. The Cavs need a SF badly and getting Granger who is a former all star should be worth a number 1 draft pick or a reasonable deal to get him to the Cavs. I think Alex Len is a good young center but if the Cavs cant get him because of giving there number 1 pick up I think they could draft another big man in the later round.

[TyroberParticipant]

Danny Granger is not worth the #1 pick. If you want him bad enough you can wait just one year and sign him out right when he is a free agent. There is no need to give up the #1 for a player on a bad knee with one year left on his contract. Let him prove his is healthy and then sign him to a deal.

[TyroberParticipant]

Danny Granger is not worth the #1 pick. If you want him bad enough you can wait just one year and sign him out right when he is a free agent. There is no need to give up the #1 for a player on a bad knee with one year left on his contract. Let him prove his is healthy and then sign him to a deal.

[JCliff24Participant]

Im glad to hear someone else is against the Len pick. As far as Varejao, unless the price is right, I would never trade him. From every other team’s perspective Varejao is just a flopper who doesn’t do that much. Watching him year after year the amount of hustle plays he makes, how many offensive rebounds, and loose balls hes kept alive for an additional possession is incredible. Averaging 14.1pph and 14.4 rpg with a PER of 21.71 is great for someone getting 8.4 million last year, 9.1 this year, and 9.8mil next year is something I’ll take all day long.

[JCliff24Participant]

Im glad to hear someone else is against the Len pick. As far as Varejao, unless the price is right, I would never trade him. From every other team’s perspective Varejao is just a flopper who doesn’t do that much. Watching him year after year the amount of hustle plays he makes, how many offensive rebounds, and loose balls hes kept alive for an additional possession is incredible. Averaging 14.1pph and 14.4 rpg with a PER of 21.71 is great for someone getting 8.4 million last year, 9.1 this year, and 9.8mil next year is something I’ll take all day long.

[SmooveKRYPTParticipant]

Varejao and some combo of 19 and their early 2nd rounders for Granger makes much more sense than the 1st pick. They’re scared off by Noel but should trade the pick for Granger who is pushing 30 and coming off a knee injury of his own? Doesn’t make much sense

[SmooveKRYPTParticipant]

Varejao and some combo of 19 and their early 2nd rounders for Granger makes much more sense than the 1st pick. They’re scared off by Noel but should trade the pick for Granger who is pushing 30 and coming off a knee injury of his own? Doesn’t make much sense

[jhbm24Participant]

The suns are a trade partner with the cavs for the number 1. I think they would love either McLemore or Noel, who will both be instant upgrades. (No faith in the Morris twins/never have) and they can send number 5 and Wes Johnson and the cavs get a defensive backup 3 and Len, then they can package Gee and Varajoa for someone so the cavs get even more options. But I’m not a fan of them getting Granger so anything that keeps em away from him I will be happy. Granger needs to go to the Nets.

[jhbm24Participant]

The suns are a trade partner with the cavs for the number 1. I think they would love either McLemore or Noel, who will both be instant upgrades. (No faith in the Morris twins/never have) and they can send number 5 and Wes Johnson and the cavs get a defensive backup 3 and Len, then they can package Gee and Varajoa for someone so the cavs get even more options. But I’m not a fan of them getting Granger so anything that keeps em away from him I will be happy. Granger needs to go to the Nets.

[gmforhireParticipant]

If the Cavs don’t take Noel they should trade the#1 pick and Varejao (insurance) to the Sixers for Bynum pick and the 11th pick in a sign and trade deal some sort. Bynum stated last year that he would love to play in Cleveland with Kyrie. Plus I don’t think Bynum wanted to be in Philly anyway and will probably leave if they don’t ship him out in a sign and trade.I would rather go with a young champion vet in Bynum who has had a whole year to heal rather than to not ever see a potential star player in Noel ever blossom. Greg oden affect has set in I guess

[gmforhireParticipant]

If the Cavs don’t take Noel they should trade the#1 pick and Varejao (insurance) to the Sixers for Bynum pick and the 11th pick in a sign and trade deal some sort. Bynum stated last year that he would love to play in Cleveland with Kyrie. Plus I don’t think Bynum wanted to be in Philly anyway and will probably leave if they don’t ship him out in a sign and trade.I would rather go with a young champion vet in Bynum who has had a whole year to heal rather than to not ever see a potential star player in Noel ever blossom. Greg oden affect has set in I guess

[Andrew1984Participant]

The Pacers have said that they are keeping Danny Granger.

The Cavs have flexibility and dollars to spend, but don’t expect them to make much of a splash with a trade or free agency. I think they would jump at an opportunity to land Kevin Love, but that is extremely doubtful. Chris Grant would have to be absolutely blown away by an offer to make a trade or to sign a major free agent. He currently has two No. 4 overall picks and will soon have two No. 1 overall picks on his roster. To abandon that core would require an incredible offer landing them a sure-fire, top-tier player. Probably not going to happen.

Everyone is assuming there is this huge trade market for Anderson Varejao, but there simply isn’t. Even though he averaged 14 rebounds last year, he’ll be 31 when the season starts and is so fragile that trading anyone with major value for him is too risky.

And if they draft a big man, that does not mean they’re going to trade away depth in the post. Varejao has been hurt every year, Zeller isn’t ready for 36 minutes a night yet, and both Noel and Len are injured. Len may be ready for the start of the season but Noel won’t. Even if they were all healthy, you can never have too much depth in the post.

Noel makes sense because his first year would pretty much be a red-shirt year. He would learn under Varejao, recover from his injury, and put on weight. Bigs tend to take a little bit longer to develop than guards do, so if they drafted Noel, they wouldn’t anticipate him really making a major impact until his third season. They would want those four top-five picks to have a few years to play together. As cliche as it sounds, Cavaliers’ management is “being patient and staying the course.” I think they like the idea of Noel blossoming into a Joakim Noah on offense and an Anthony Davis on defense, which is quite ambitious, but not unreasonable.

I’ve also heard that they are considering Oladipo at the top spot. He would play the three. At 6-4, he may struggle to guard the 6-foot-9 threes like LeBron, Durant, George, etc., but everyone struggles to guard those guys, including other 6-9 threes. They love Oladipo’s energy, intensity, and commitment to defense. It still seems unlikely that they would draft him, but it is still a possibility.

I would be shocked if they drafted Ben McLemore. Even if he’s better than Waiters, it’s way too soon to just trade Waiters. You could get away with Kyrie-Waiters-Oladipo on the floor, but you couldn’t get away with Kyrie-Mac-Waiters. They did not draft Waiters No. 4 overall to use him as an “instant offense off the bench” guy. Players like that can be had in free agency. He was drafted as a core piece. They wanted a player who could create offense and excel in pick-and-roll, and that’s exactly what Waiters is. McLemore is more efficient but Waiters is a better ball-handler.

In free agency, obviously they’re not going to get Chris Paul, Dwight Howard, or Josh Smith. They probably will not make a run at Paul Millsap either. Most of the threes on the market are not much of an upgrade over Alonzo Gee/CJ Miles, unfortunately. I think they’re hoping Sergey Karasev or Giannis Antetokoumpu fall to No. 19.

I am guessing they will start the year with Kyrie-Waiters-Gee-Thompson-Varejao, with Noel, a foreign three, and Zeller off the bench. They’ll probably spend free agent dollars on a backup PG like CJ Watson or Eric Maynor.

If Noel is a homerun, then they’ll be contenders for a home-court playoff from 2015 through 2020ish, if they can resign Kyrie long-term.

[TyroberParticipant]

Nice post andrew

[TyroberParticipant]

Nice post andrew

[Sewok15Participant]

That is a good point about McLemore and Waiters. I think McLemore will be better but they did just use the 4th pick on Waiters last year. I think Waiters could excel coming off the bench like he did in college but you are right that top 5 picks usually aren’t used on a sixth man. Waiters ball handling and pick and roll ability allow Kyrie to play off of him as well instead of Kyrie always doing the creating. With Irvings shooting ability it is nice to have somebody that allows him to play off the ball from time to time like Curry does in Golden State. If I am Cleveland I would probably take Otto Porter even though he isn’t the highest upside pick. He will be a solid starter in this league and could be a guy that could help the Cavs from day one and help them reach there goal of avoiding the lottery next year.

[Sewok15Participant]

That is a good point about McLemore and Waiters. I think McLemore will be better but they did just use the 4th pick on Waiters last year. I think Waiters could excel coming off the bench like he did in college but you are right that top 5 picks usually aren’t used on a sixth man. Waiters ball handling and pick and roll ability allow Kyrie to play off of him as well instead of Kyrie always doing the creating. With Irvings shooting ability it is nice to have somebody that allows him to play off the ball from time to time like Curry does in Golden State. If I am Cleveland I would probably take Otto Porter even though he isn’t the highest upside pick. He will be a solid starter in this league and could be a guy that could help the Cavs from day one and help them reach there goal of avoiding the lottery next year.

[Andrew1984Participant]

The Pacers have said that they are keeping Danny Granger.

The Cavs have flexibility and dollars to spend, but don’t expect them to make much of a splash with a trade or free agency. I think they would jump at an opportunity to land Kevin Love, but that is extremely doubtful. Chris Grant would have to be absolutely blown away by an offer to make a trade or to sign a major free agent. He currently has two No. 4 overall picks and will soon have two No. 1 overall picks on his roster. To abandon that core would require an incredible offer landing them a sure-fire, top-tier player. Probably not going to happen.

Everyone is assuming there is this huge trade market for Anderson Varejao, but there simply isn’t. Even though he averaged 14 rebounds last year, he’ll be 31 when the season starts and is so fragile that trading anyone with major value for him is too risky.

And if they draft a big man, that does not mean they’re going to trade away depth in the post. Varejao has been hurt every year, Zeller isn’t ready for 36 minutes a night yet, and both Noel and Len are injured. Len may be ready for the start of the season but Noel won’t. Even if they were all healthy, you can never have too much depth in the post.

Noel makes sense because his first year would pretty much be a red-shirt year. He would learn under Varejao, recover from his injury, and put on weight. Bigs tend to take a little bit longer to develop than guards do, so if they drafted Noel, they wouldn’t anticipate him really making a major impact until his third season. They would want those four top-five picks to have a few years to play together. As cliche as it sounds, Cavaliers’ management is “being patient and staying the course.” I think they like the idea of Noel blossoming into a Joakim Noah on offense and an Anthony Davis on defense, which is quite ambitious, but not unreasonable.

I’ve also heard that they are considering Oladipo at the top spot. He would play the three. At 6-4, he may struggle to guard the 6-foot-9 threes like LeBron, Durant, George, etc., but everyone struggles to guard those guys, including other 6-9 threes. They love Oladipo’s energy, intensity, and commitment to defense. It still seems unlikely that they would draft him, but it is still a possibility.

I would be shocked if they drafted Ben McLemore. Even if he’s better than Waiters, it’s way too soon to just trade Waiters. You could get away with Kyrie-Waiters-Oladipo on the floor, but you couldn’t get away with Kyrie-Mac-Waiters. They did not draft Waiters No. 4 overall to use him as an “instant offense off the bench” guy. Players like that can be had in free agency. He was drafted as a core piece. They wanted a player who could create offense and excel in pick-and-roll, and that’s exactly what Waiters is. McLemore is more efficient but Waiters is a better ball-handler.

In free agency, obviously they’re not going to get Chris Paul, Dwight Howard, or Josh Smith. They probably will not make a run at Paul Millsap either. Most of the threes on the market are not much of an upgrade over Alonzo Gee/CJ Miles, unfortunately. I think they’re hoping Sergey Karasev or Giannis Antetokoumpu fall to No. 19.

I am guessing they will start the year with Kyrie-Waiters-Gee-Thompson-Varejao, with Noel, a foreign three, and Zeller off the bench. They’ll probably spend free agent dollars on a backup PG like CJ Watson or Eric Maynor.

If Noel is a homerun, then they’ll be contenders for a home-court playoff from 2015 through 2020ish, if they can resign Kyrie long-term.

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