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I would take Josiah Turner

After watching some of his workout film,and some of his pro film and also taking into account the talent we all know he has, I have came to the conclusion that I would use a 2nd round pick on him.Yes he has baggage but he is a human too and makes mistakes like all of us. The difference is when your a high profile college baller the microscope is on your every move. Which I also respect and it's on him to have to deal with that pressure. But I say from a basketball skill and talent standpoint he has to much to pass up on. He is almost 6'4 in sneakers.He has a wonderful frame. He can run,jump,cut and defend.He handles the ball well and can see the floor accordingly. His main weakness is his jump shot. He also appears to be in terrific shape,which says a lot about how hard he has been working. I hope someone picks him up and he has a successful next 10 years or so.


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I was just about to post

I was just about to post this. I watched his video and Norvel Pelle's video on "That Other Draft Website" and we all know they both have talent but they're last 2 years have been hectic for different reasons. That's why in the 2nd round when contracts aren't guaranteed you can take chances on someone who has talent but may have had some past issues.

Pelle is a great athlete, and he can do some things on the floor if he goes to the right team and Josiah Turner, the small time he played at Arizona, he had some good games and the last canadian team he was with he played really well and helped them in their playoffs. He's has almost the same size and measurements as Westbrook, watch the video, dude is in amazing shape. he's a great athlete who can attack the basket but he is a past first point guard. I like that player, he's also a thief on the ball. I'd pick him in the 2nd round! Like he said needs to improve his jump shot and off ball defense but they can both come with time.

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Yeah watching his film on the

Yeah watching his film on the other site made me go "Damn I forgot you were this good buddy." The young man is ripped into shreds and it appears that his conditioning is up as well. He has is all. Had there not have been off the court issues. He would probably be a lock for the first round right now. Only Burke appears like a better option off of basketball ability alone at the PG position because I think Josiah is better then MCW. Both guys shots need tune ups.But both are bigger PG's MCW is taller and longer but Josiah is way stronger and quicker and still has 6'4 size which is pretty big.He has a tighter handle also. So if this kid is that good then someone should grab him in the 2nd seriously.

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Workouts are different than an actual game. Running a team requires leadership, intelligence, and maturity. So I would caution the use of a work out video in assessing whether you would take a kid or not. The game film is what you should rely on. The workouts only give you a partial story to a novel. I watched Mr. Josiah here in Arizona.and his gifts did not translate into production. Sean Miller plays a very uptempo free flowing style of basketball and Turner never thrived. He has bounced around since then with maturity issues.

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Do you forget how garbage he

Do you forget how garbage he was at Arizona?
Dumb kid on and off the floor. Good athlete, can't shoot, can't run an offense, poor decision maker, poor defender despite his physical tools because his effort sucked as much as his awareness. Nearly 6'4, but has a wing span shorter than Trey Burke's, which makes him play smaller than his height.
Then you factor in his baggage? I don't see why he should be drafted.

I don't see a reason why Norvel Pelle should be drafted either. He's not that impressive of a specimen and he has no skill. I saw some of the footage of him from the combines, both Chicago and NJ, and pre-combine workouts. He just didn't look all that impressive. I was prepared to see some jaw-dropping athlete and he wasn't that. He looked like a rail-thin, undersized C, who thought he had SF skills, but didn't.

I think both will go undrafted and will have to cut their teeth in the D-League. I think both their stories are more interesting than their actual NBA prospects.

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I will say Norvel didn't look

I will say Norvel didn't look like the Athlete he once was. When he was a senior in High school he was just as athletic as Anthony Davis if not maybe even more. He has put up some jaw dropping dunks before. But now he looks stiff and looks like he can't jump to well anymore.

This is freakish http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ot4jhyeA0EU

I'm not sure what happen to that athleticism and live bodyness.

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Weight gain vs. Athleticism

I know we saw it with Bargnani and many other young players too when they put on too much weight, they slow down and lose athleticism. This happened once to me as well when I gained about 20-30 lbs and I was a little stronger but slower and lost quite a bit off of my vertical (as soon as I realized this I lost it). I think it takes some special players and trainers to add quite a bit of muscle without losing athleticism.

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No way, invite him to play on

No way, invite him to play on your summer league team if you want to give him a chance. This is a deep 2nd round and I just feel like you'd skip over better players to draft a guy who would otherwise go undrafted. I believe in 2nd chances, but I also believe in BPA during the draft process. Turner is a guy who you invite to SL if you're interested in.

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I really liked Josiah Turner

I really liked Josiah Turner his one year at Arizona since I'm also from Nor Cal and because I know people who played against him. He just seems like a cancer to which ever team he plays for. Well if you draft somebody in the 2nd round you don't have to guarantee them a spot on the team. I'd say he has an over 90% chance of going undrafted but does anybody else remember when this site projected him as a lottery pick for the 2012 draft?

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Turner

Oh yea! Late second round...I would draft Turner!

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He was bad at Arizona, quit

He was bad at Arizona, quit one team before playing in a game, was released by another for being immature, and then finished the year playing well but a league that essentially exists for players to get games on film. The world is full of good small guards. In this draft, there is Vander Blue, Lorenzo Brown, Trey Burke, Isaiah Canaan, Michael Carter-Williams, Will Cherry, Ian Clark, Seth Curry, Matthew Dellavedova, Larry Drew, Ramon Galloway, Erick Green, Pierre Jackson, Elijah Johnson, Carl Jones, Lamont Jones, Myck Kabongo, Shane Larkin, Mark Lyons, Anthony Marshall, Ray McCallum, C.J. McCollum, Tyrus McGee, Brandon Paul, Phil Pressey, Mike Rosario, Peyton Siva, Dexter Strickland, Brandon Triche, Nate Wolters, Tray Woodall, Khalif Wyatt, and B.J. Young from the NCAA. Nemanja Nedovic, Raul Neto, and Dennis Schroeder among the international propects. Every single one of those guys have more accomplished resumes, and at least half of them are not going to get drafted. It is hard to argue Turner should be taken given the alternatives.

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I'm positive if you were

I'm positive if you were actually a GM with a real life stake in the matter that you wouldn't take him because he looked fast and ripped with a great handle going 1 on 0.

I'd imagine he'll get a chance in the Summer League and D-League because he does have impressive physical tools and was very highly thought of coming out of high school. But as far as getting drafted, that ship sailed after a host of off court problems and unimpressive play.

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I haven't seen him since

I haven't seen him since leaving Arizona, but he would have had to improve quite a bit to be draft worthy. He had the athleticism and speed and I thought he had great potential defensively. He could pressure guys and move his feet. But his shot was broke, he had no real pg skills or bball iq and he was out of control attacking the rim.

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