hypothetical toronto trade
Since Toronto is in rebuild mode which I completely agree with, here's a hypothetical trade that could work depending on the draft. Most likely derek williams will be taken 1st overall. If Toronto ends up getting the second pick and clevland the 3rd, I propose the raptors take kyrie as he is the most talented and nba ready(and they also need a future PG). If clevland takes Kanter 3rd, toronto should trade bargnani for that pick and antawn jamison (expiring contract)OR if they are lucky bargnani for that pick and varajao. It makes sense for both teams because bargnani's time is up in toronto (the bosh era)and he could work well with jj hickson. Clevland would be getting a young proven scorer and sheding jamison or varejao's contract. Kanter can develop in toronto. It's a low risk trade for both teams.
Raptors need a PG more than a big man IMO. The Raptors can get a centre in free agency. Kyrie Irving will have more of an impact than Kanter will have in Toronto. Not to mention, I saw Irving as a game changer and a player you build around. I heard there are issues with Kanter's knees.
I disagree Torontoraptors 10. Its very hard to find a center in the draft or in free agency. Often when a team has a capable center thats a free agent that following the team that previously had him quickly resigns him so as not to loose him. If somehow a center does slip through the cracks then he too is quickly snatched up. Its very possible that if does wait until free agency to get their center they may not ever get one that is capable. Name me 10 capable free agent Centers this year that have a very good chance of not being retained by their current teams. You can't, right? That tells you right there, that there isn't too many. Yet it is such an important position that if your team needs one and you don't pick up one in the draft then you are sol. Why do you think Houston has not found there Center yet after like 2 or 3 years?
On the other hand you can find a PG pretty easily in free agency because they're are so many that are capable in the NBA, but not so many Centers that are capable. For example one of these capable PG that may not be retained by his current team is TJ Ford or Mario Chalmers or Earl Watson.
Why get those sub-par point guards when you currently have 2 point guards on the roster who are better in Jose Calderon & Bayless?
Free Agent Centers that are hitting the market: Marc Gasol, Tyson Chandler, DeAndre Jordan, Nene, Ronny Turiaf, Greg Oden & Sam Dalembert.
Yes I agree SOME will stay with their respective teams, but Toronto will have substantial money to throw around and it will get some of these guys attention. The chances of Toronto getting Sam D, Chandler or Nene are definitely possible.
And yet 6 of those Centers are likely to be retained by there teams. Chandler, Gasol, Jordan, Turiaf, Oden, and Dalembert will likely stay. You think Sacramento will just give up on Dalembert when he can still stay and continue teaching Cousins and Thompson? Nene is currently held as a commodity by several teams. Pacers, Rockets, Spurs, Blazers and now the Raptors. But he can only go to one team. After him there aren't too many left. There's a very good chance that Nene does not go to the Raptors. He's close to retiring so he may want to spend his last years in the league on a contender. So which ever of those teams are close to contending for a title he likely will sign with them. Let me tell one thing that contending team will not be the Raptors. The best time to get a Center is in the draft. If you don't get one there you likely won't get one in the offseason. And thr Rockets are the perfect example of this. They have needed a center for like 3 or 4 years now yet they could never get in the draft. They still don't have a capable Center!
The PG's that I listed were just a few but there are more. I just couldn't think of a few more at that moment, but there are more and certainly more valuable than Calderon and Bayless.
Wardb12 I'm either hit or miss with your posts, but this one is a complete miss as a Raptors fan.
The possiblity of signing Chandler, Nene,Sammy D (Who's from T.O) or some other C's are a strong possibility, most of those guys would love to cash in. Toronto would be willing to spend big money for a C, and some of the teams that are wanting to retain these guys either will have to offer less money or let them walk. (I want to see how Memphis is going to handle Gasol considering they just gave Randolph a huge extension).
Secondly, your crazy to think this draft will produce a franchise starting C. How many Centers in this draft even have that potential? Enes Kanter is the only one and he's even said himself his natural position is PF, so you saying the only way to get a C is through drafting is straight up crazy if your talking about this draft.
The most viable option is throwing big money at someone like Dalembert or Nene because those are your best options for finally have a big man in the middle for the Raps who can start NOW.
The raptors point guard situation is actually not too bad, despite his lack of defense Calderon puts up 8APG and can still shoot the ball at a high %. He would kill on a contender being there back-up point and could get decent minutes off the bench. Adding Kyrie through the draft would be the ideal situation for the Raptors, adding Kanter would just add to our logjam at PF. Going forward with Bayless and Irving would create a bright future for the Raps.
FIRST...... Irving will be GONE in the top 2 PICKS. Toronto will NOT get a snif at him unless they move up from the 3rd pick.
SECOND..... Kanter HAS BAD KNEES and he is MORE of a POWER FORWARD. Did I mention he has BAD KNEES.
THIRD... There are NO other centers in the draft that ARE or EVER WILL BE any better than Andrea Banana, SO WHY WASTE A DRAFT PICK ON A BANANA CLONE
FOURTH..... HERE COMES KEMBA WALKER.....MIGHTY MOUSE IN THE HOUSE
This is what kills me. I mean we know that Center is the hardest position to get in free agency and in the draft yet you keep saying that Toronto will have plenty of centers to choose from.
Some things you don't realize are this:
1: Toronto is a loosing team. They aren't going to be winning or contending for quite awhile.
2: The looming lockout. No one knows how much money will be available. There may not be a lot. Players or the owners are going to have to sacrifice in order for the dispute to be settled. That sacrifice may very well be the money that teams own. I mean you are acting like there isn't gonna be a lockout. Let me tell you something...the lockout is guaranteed to happen. Who knows what it will do. Who knows if it will bring more money or cause teams to lose money. I'm betting on the latter.
3: Nene is getting old and in his last years in the league. Where do old players who are soon to retire want to spend their last years in the league? Do you really think they are going to spend those years on a team who is losing most of their games and has no business in the playoffs? I don't think so. Sammy Dalembert is also old. And not to mention, you have no idea if he will actually be a free agent. Sacramento may retain him. The Kings are winning more games then Toronto is. And if they get a PG in this draft, like I suspect, then they will win even more games. (possibly be a playoff team) Sammy Dalembert is going to have more incentive to stay there and continue teaching Cousins and Thompson then he is in Toronto.
4: If you say that the Raptors PG position is not that bad, then why do you believe that they need a PG more than they need a Center? Toronto has NO centers. None. Bargnani is not a center. He is a power foward trying to play center when his body is meant for the 4. The closest player that Toronto has to a center is Ed Davis and he's 6'9. He too is more a PF then he is a center.
5: If Centers are so "easy" to get in free agency then why has Houston and Toronto struggled to get a center for 3 years? Bargnani has played Center ever since 2007. 4 years Toronto has tried to find a center through the draft or free agency and have come up with nothing. Houston has done the same thing and they too have come up with nothing. And Houston has a very savvy GM who is willing to do a lot of trades and spend his money yet they are struggling to get a Center. Maybe that's for a reason, not their own fault.
But after all this if you still disagree with me, then I guess we will just have to wait and see who is right. Sounds like we have a lot of things that we can agree to disagree on.
This off-season is very rare, yes there is a lockout but this Free Agency has a significant amount of C's, I can't remember since I've seen this many. I'll answer your points.
1. I'm guessing your saying this along with #3, because your basically saying the exact same thing. Yes they won't be "contending" for awhile but they are a young, athletic, talented team that just needs a little time to grow together. For a veteran player to come in and add to this could be a very rewarding situation. Along with the money they will be receiving this would be a good place for a veteran C, not only could they help in a big way to win more games but also develop our young big men (Ed Davis, Solomon Alabi, Amir etc.). Plus being a "winning" team in the east gets you the 7th or 8th seed, Indiana got in the playoffs with 35 wins, something that is very possible for the Raptors next year.
2. The looming lockout, yes it will happen and yes teams will be affected by it. BUT if you go into the lockout with a lot more money than most teams your going to walk away with the same advantage. (Now I agree the $$ will be less, but it will still be more $$ than the 26 other teams).
3. Read #1
4. I say they need a PG more than a C in THIS DRAFT because their are plenty of pure point guards to choose from in this draft (Irving, Knight, Walker), than there are C's (best true C in the draft is Valanciunas, as Enes is a true PF). So this said the raptors do have a decent PG combo but by drafting Irving or even Knight it would be upgraded for the future. If they draft Enes the PF position would not be upgraded because of Bargs and Davis.
5. This would be the best time for the Raptors to get a C, and with money to spend we should be able to nab up atleast one of them. The raptors were close to acquiring Chandler but when that fell through they felt Bargs could get away with playing C for the past few years but we see how that ended up.
Trade out of the 3rd pick. A team like Utah that has 2 first rounders would be a great option.
Bargs and 3rd (hypothetically) overall for 6th and 12th
maybe Charlotte who has the 9th and 19th
either way we get rid of Bargs and continue the rebuild.
With the lack of an obvious pick at 3 doubling up and dumping Bargnani could be the best option.
The obvious choice at number 1 is Irving. The odds are in Minnesota's favour to land him. They already have Flynn and Rubio though, so maybe Bargnani to Minn for Rubio is an option. Allowing the raps to take Enes with their pick.
C - Kanter , Alabi
PF - Johnson , Davis
SF - Johnson , Wright
SG - DeRozan , Barbosa
PG - Rubio , Calderon/Bayless
Wardb12 I'm either hit or miss with your posts, but this one is a complete miss as a Raptors fan.