How good will DeMarcus Cousins be?

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Posted on: Tue, 05/14/2013 - 7:10am #774009

GlenTaylorSucks
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…his maturity/mental makeup allows him to be. From a purely physical and basketball talent standpoint, he’s up there with Shaq in terms of pure dominance as a big man.
He has a huge “but, umm…”: his maturity. It’s already been pretty widely documented that at his best, DMC isn’t an easy person to deal with, and at his worst, he’s someone who can kill a team’s chemistry. He’s gotten suspended several times for conduct detrimental to the team, and piled up a mountain of techs and flagrants due to frustration/feeling like he’s not getting what he wants on the court. His basketball IQ isn’t necessarily the greatest either- his shot selection is godawful at times (no big man should be shooting the percentages he does), and he plays like he values his own numbers over team success.
But he’s still at the point where he can be molded into a better player. Sacramento has been a toxic, career killing environment for pretty much everybody who’s been there lately. Either he can help bring the change to Sacto (or Seattle- whatever the @$$-goblin Maloofs decide to do (but that’s a whole other story of douchebaggery for another time)), or he can whine his way out and try his chances somewhere else. It’ll take someone who’s really patient to coach him, and it’ll take teammates who will hold him accountable to really unleash his potential.
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- Posted on: Tue, 05/14/2013 - 7:12am #774015
  
  esperanzafleet69
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  up there with shaq in pure dominance? have you EVER seen shaq play?
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- Posted on: Tue, 05/14/2013 - 7:12am #774084
  
  esperanzafleet69
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  up there with shaq in pure dominance? have you EVER seen shaq play?
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- Posted on: Tue, 05/14/2013 - 10:53am #774154
  
  Grandmama
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  ” From a purely physical and basketball talent standpoint, he’s up there with Shaq in terms of pure dominance as a big man.”
  When user accounts should be banned.
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- Posted on: Tue, 05/14/2013 - 10:53am #774222
  
  Grandmama
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  ” From a purely physical and basketball talent standpoint, he’s up there with Shaq in terms of pure dominance as a big man.”
  When user accounts should be banned.
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Posted on: Tue, 05/14/2013 - 7:10am #774078

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…his maturity/mental makeup allows him to be. From a purely physical and basketball talent standpoint, he’s up there with Shaq in terms of pure dominance as a big man.
He has a huge “but, umm…”: his maturity. It’s already been pretty widely documented that at his best, DMC isn’t an easy person to deal with, and at his worst, he’s someone who can kill a team’s chemistry. He’s gotten suspended several times for conduct detrimental to the team, and piled up a mountain of techs and flagrants due to frustration/feeling like he’s not getting what he wants on the court. His basketball IQ isn’t necessarily the greatest either- his shot selection is godawful at times (no big man should be shooting the percentages he does), and he plays like he values his own numbers over team success.
But he’s still at the point where he can be molded into a better player. Sacramento has been a toxic, career killing environment for pretty much everybody who’s been there lately. Either he can help bring the change to Sacto (or Seattle- whatever the @$$-goblin Maloofs decide to do (but that’s a whole other story of douchebaggery for another time)), or he can whine his way out and try his chances somewhere else. It’ll take someone who’s really patient to coach him, and it’ll take teammates who will hold him accountable to really unleash his potential.
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Posted on: Tue, 05/14/2013 - 7:11am #774011

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If he gets his head right he’ll be a 20 and 10 guy. He’s already close but his efficiency isn’t there especially for a big man. I think he’ll be a less refined more athletic Zach Randolph in his mental prime.
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Posted on: Tue, 05/14/2013 - 7:11am #774080

JamesBaker3195
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If he gets his head right he’ll be a 20 and 10 guy. He’s already close but his efficiency isn’t there especially for a big man. I think he’ll be a less refined more athletic Zach Randolph in his mental prime.
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Posted on: Tue, 05/14/2013 - 7:11am #774013

esperanzafleet69
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vin baker
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- Posted on: Tue, 05/14/2013 - 7:20am #774027
  
  esperanzafleet69
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  how is this a thumbs down? they have VERY similar skills and stats..
  cousins- http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/couside01.html
  vin baker http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bakervi01.html
  baker’s off the court issues also kept him from being great.. this is one of the best comparisons ive seen.,
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  - Posted on: Tue, 05/14/2013 - 7:25am #774033
    
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    This is actually a pretty darn good comp. Vin and Tonic was a beast before he lost his marbles. For a couple of years it even looked like we got the better end of the Shawn Kemp deal.
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  - Posted on: Tue, 05/14/2013 - 7:25am #774102
    
    fcb206
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    This is actually a pretty darn good comp. Vin and Tonic was a beast before he lost his marbles. For a couple of years it even looked like we got the better end of the Shawn Kemp deal.
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- Posted on: Tue, 05/14/2013 - 7:20am #774096
  
  esperanzafleet69
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  how is this a thumbs down? they have VERY similar skills and stats..
  cousins- http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/couside01.html
  vin baker http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bakervi01.html
  baker’s off the court issues also kept him from being great.. this is one of the best comparisons ive seen.,
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Posted on: Tue, 05/14/2013 - 7:11am #774082

esperanzafleet69
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vin baker
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Posted on: Tue, 05/14/2013 - 7:11am #48930

RMolloy24
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Who’d you compare him to?
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Posted on: Tue, 05/14/2013 - 7:18am #774017

samosas
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He’s still young. He’ll be good.
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Posted on: Tue, 05/14/2013 - 7:18am #774086

samosas
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He’s still young. He’ll be good.
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Posted on: Tue, 05/14/2013 - 7:21am #774021

ASAP Henry
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I’m a huge Cousins fan. I think he has the potential to be the best big man in the NBA. His combination of size, skill, and athleticism is very intriguing. However, he is an absolute headcase. Sacramento was the worst place to go for him as there isn’t anyone there who can keep him in check. The guy needs a veteran team to play on who can teach him how to be a professional. Sadly, as more and more years continue to pass, the chances of that light switch going off become slimmer. I worry that he will end up being this generations Rasheed Wallace. Sheed was someone who had all the talent in the world, but was such a knucklehead that things never really clicked. He started shooting way too many jumpers when he could dominate in the post.
One silver lining though is the maturation of Zach Randolph. Z-Bo is proof that the “light bulb” can go off eventually for knucklehead players. Hopefully Demarcus Cousins reaches that point sooner rather than later
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- Posted on: Tue, 05/14/2013 - 7:27am #774037
  
  esperanzafleet69
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  i dont think spending a ton of time with bonzi wells, damon stoudemire, and sheed in zbo’s early days helped with this much..
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  - Posted on: Tue, 05/14/2013 - 7:37am #774045
    
    ASAP Henry
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    Hahaha yea I agree with that no doubt, but my point was that the “light” can eventually go off for players like Z-Bo and Demarcus. I just worry about Demarcus because we are now entering his 4th season and he still hasn’t matured that much. He blames everyone but himself whenever he gets kicked out of a game, stupid stuff like that. I think there is still time for things to click, but they better start clicking sooner than later
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  - Posted on: Tue, 05/14/2013 - 7:37am #774114
    
    ASAP Henry
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    Hahaha yea I agree with that no doubt, but my point was that the “light” can eventually go off for players like Z-Bo and Demarcus. I just worry about Demarcus because we are now entering his 4th season and he still hasn’t matured that much. He blames everyone but himself whenever he gets kicked out of a game, stupid stuff like that. I think there is still time for things to click, but they better start clicking sooner than later
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- Posted on: Tue, 05/14/2013 - 7:27am #774106
  
  esperanzafleet69
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  i dont think spending a ton of time with bonzi wells, damon stoudemire, and sheed in zbo’s early days helped with this much..
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Posted on: Tue, 05/14/2013 - 7:21am #774090

ASAP Henry
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I’m a huge Cousins fan. I think he has the potential to be the best big man in the NBA. His combination of size, skill, and athleticism is very intriguing. However, he is an absolute headcase. Sacramento was the worst place to go for him as there isn’t anyone there who can keep him in check. The guy needs a veteran team to play on who can teach him how to be a professional. Sadly, as more and more years continue to pass, the chances of that light switch going off become slimmer. I worry that he will end up being this generations Rasheed Wallace. Sheed was someone who had all the talent in the world, but was such a knucklehead that things never really clicked. He started shooting way too many jumpers when he could dominate in the post.
One silver lining though is the maturation of Zach Randolph. Z-Bo is proof that the “light bulb” can go off eventually for knucklehead players. Hopefully Demarcus Cousins reaches that point sooner rather than later
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Posted on: Tue, 05/14/2013 - 7:42am #774055

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He can honestly be as good as he wants to. If he sits down and seriously asks himself that question the sky is the limit. It starts with his mind then his body amd the rest will follow, I personally don’t see greatness in him simply because he doesnt want it.
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Posted on: Tue, 05/14/2013 - 7:42am #774124

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He can honestly be as good as he wants to. If he sits down and seriously asks himself that question the sky is the limit. It starts with his mind then his body amd the rest will follow, I personally don’t see greatness in him simply because he doesnt want it.
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Posted on: Tue, 05/14/2013 - 8:35am #774151

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He is so SO talented. Like others have said, he could easily be a 20 and 10 guy. He just needs to get out of Sacramento and on to a team with strong coaching and veterans. I like the Vin Baker/Zach Randolph comparisons. Not sure I could pick a better one. He certainly needs to get a bit better at shot blocking. But he is an absolute offensive beast.
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Posted on: Tue, 05/14/2013 - 8:35am #774083

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He is so SO talented. Like others have said, he could easily be a 20 and 10 guy. He just needs to get out of Sacramento and on to a team with strong coaching and veterans. I like the Vin Baker/Zach Randolph comparisons. Not sure I could pick a better one. He certainly needs to get a bit better at shot blocking. But he is an absolute offensive beast.
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Posted on: Tue, 05/14/2013 - 10:52am #774152

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Huge and skilled but where are some getting this exceptional athleticism from? He is fluid but he gets no lift hence why he shoots 45% from the field despite being 6’11 290lbs with a 7’6″ wingspan. If he can get himself in shape and shake the giant whiny brat act he can be the top center in the league.
He kinda reminds me of a young Sheed Wallace in the sense that he needs to mature mentally and control his emotions but Sheed never had to fight weight being a young player and Cousins needs to get in better shape and check his head.
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- Posted on: Tue, 05/14/2013 - 12:40pm #774241
  
  finnegan
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  cousins shoot 46.5% this season, every year his fg% improves. other young stud bigman like greg monroe shoot 48.6 fg% this year. 46.5 fg% against 48.6 fg% isn’t big difference.
  the reason while cousins fg% isn’t above 50% because he create hes own shot, kings don’t have a good pg. most bigman who gets high fg% like chander tyson because they only take a shot on putbacks and a pass under the basket coming from a pg
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  - Posted on: Tue, 05/14/2013 - 12:44pm #774255
    
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    He is also a foul machine , can’t consistently play more than 28-30 MPG , and for his immense size is not a real shot blocking threat. I like his talent but I can’t stand guys like him who have top 10 player in the league ability but don’t harness it. No excuse for Cousins not shooting 50% at least from the field. Conditioning and attitude is the entire problem.
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  - Posted on: Tue, 05/14/2013 - 12:44pm #774324
    
    Spacegrass
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    He is also a foul machine , can’t consistently play more than 28-30 MPG , and for his immense size is not a real shot blocking threat. I like his talent but I can’t stand guys like him who have top 10 player in the league ability but don’t harness it. No excuse for Cousins not shooting 50% at least from the field. Conditioning and attitude is the entire problem.
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- Posted on: Tue, 05/14/2013 - 12:40pm #774310
  
  finnegan
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  cousins shoot 46.5% this season, every year his fg% improves. other young stud bigman like greg monroe shoot 48.6 fg% this year. 46.5 fg% against 48.6 fg% isn’t big difference.
  the reason while cousins fg% isn’t above 50% because he create hes own shot, kings don’t have a good pg. most bigman who gets high fg% like chander tyson because they only take a shot on putbacks and a pass under the basket coming from a pg
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Posted on: Tue, 05/14/2013 - 10:52am #774220

Spacegrass
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Huge and skilled but where are some getting this exceptional athleticism from? He is fluid but he gets no lift hence why he shoots 45% from the field despite being 6’11 290lbs with a 7’6″ wingspan. If he can get himself in shape and shake the giant whiny brat act he can be the top center in the league.
He kinda reminds me of a young Sheed Wallace in the sense that he needs to mature mentally and control his emotions but Sheed never had to fight weight being a young player and Cousins needs to get in better shape and check his head.
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Posted on: Tue, 05/14/2013 - 12:36pm #774243

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I think, if he gets it all together, he can be a 23ppg, 11rpg kind of guy while shooting 55% from the field and shooting about 7 free throws a game.
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Posted on: Tue, 05/14/2013 - 12:36pm #774312

Tongue-Out-Like-23
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I think, if he gets it all together, he can be a 23ppg, 11rpg kind of guy while shooting 55% from the field and shooting about 7 free throws a game.
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Posted on: Tue, 05/14/2013 - 1:34pm #774269

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Is really only scratching the surface. I’m telling you right now if the guy didn’t put up as many bad shots as he does (No coach to tell him not to) the guy could dominate. Why? He’s got an inside and outside game with beautiful foot work and guard like handles. Call me crazy but if someone can refine him, and show him how to balance out his inside and outside jumpshot, he could be a poor man’s duncan.
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Posted on: Tue, 05/14/2013 - 1:34pm #774338

Kayjay
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Is really only scratching the surface. I’m telling you right now if the guy didn’t put up as many bad shots as he does (No coach to tell him not to) the guy could dominate. Why? He’s got an inside and outside game with beautiful foot work and guard like handles. Call me crazy but if someone can refine him, and show him how to balance out his inside and outside jumpshot, he could be a poor man’s duncan.
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Posted on: Tue, 05/14/2013 - 2:10pm #774281

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20 and 10? He’s almost that now, I think he’ll be more of a 25 and 13 guy in his prime. He’s that talented. I dont think he’ll be able to be guarded one on one. He has a skillset to go along with his size and power.
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Posted on: Tue, 05/14/2013 - 2:10pm #774350

BigChamp12
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20 and 10? He’s almost that now, I think he’ll be more of a 25 and 13 guy in his prime. He’s that talented. I dont think he’ll be able to be guarded one on one. He has a skillset to go along with his size and power.
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