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  • #31496
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    I mean, they exceeded expectations this year with their final four birth, something that was expected in the previous year, and they have an absolutely massive recruiting class coming in.

    With Gilchrist, Davis, Teague, paired with Jones and other returners, would it be irresponsible to mention the possibility of going undefeated. By no means am I predicting that they will or should, but the opportunity is there. Interesting to think of, huh.

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  • #563550
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    they are not going undefeated with so many other good teams this year. North Carolina, Duke, Memphis, Ohio State…. granted they are not in the same division but they do play in the SEC and even though there aren’t really any other major profile teams, there are still a lot of good teams and they are bound to lose at least a few.

    The team is stacked but that doesn’t always equal wins (or dominance). 

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  • #563632
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    they are not going undefeated with so many other good teams this year. North Carolina, Duke, Memphis, Ohio State…. granted they are not in the same division but they do play in the SEC and even though there aren’t really any other major profile teams, there are still a lot of good teams and they are bound to lose at least a few.

    The team is stacked but that doesn’t always equal wins (or dominance). 

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  • #563552
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     They definitely have the possibility of being the best team in the Nation.. Kentucky and North Carolina have so much talent on their teams..  But I think Kentucky has more potential to be the best but less certainty.. Davis intringues me and I can’t wait to see what he can do.. While Teague seems like he could be calipari’s next great point guard.   Adding in Gilchrist and Jones They have the most talented starting 5 in the nation.. I can’t wait to watch this team and I am not even a Kentucky fan.

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  • #563634
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     They definitely have the possibility of being the best team in the Nation.. Kentucky and North Carolina have so much talent on their teams..  But I think Kentucky has more potential to be the best but less certainty.. Davis intringues me and I can’t wait to see what he can do.. While Teague seems like he could be calipari’s next great point guard.   Adding in Gilchrist and Jones They have the most talented starting 5 in the nation.. I can’t wait to watch this team and I am not even a Kentucky fan.

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  • #563559
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    Kentucky will be ranked #1 for a few weeks out of the season.  In the end, I think their undoing will likely always be the same thing…inexperience.  Jones, Lamb, Miller, and Vargas are not a bad "veteran" core however.

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  • #563642
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    Kentucky will be ranked #1 for a few weeks out of the season.  In the end, I think their undoing will likely always be the same thing…inexperience.  Jones, Lamb, Miller, and Vargas are not a bad "veteran" core however.

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  • #563569
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    Well Surve, they reached the Elite Eight in Calipari’s inaugaural season, and after losing something like five picks in the first round that year, Calipari brought in another strong class and took them to the Final Four. The guy is improving at his job, and his system is working. Coupled with their powerhouse recruiting class, the inexperience issue will be less than its ever been.

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  • #563653
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    Well Surve, they reached the Elite Eight in Calipari’s inaugaural season, and after losing something like five picks in the first round that year, Calipari brought in another strong class and took them to the Final Four. The guy is improving at his job, and his system is working. Coupled with their powerhouse recruiting class, the inexperience issue will be less than its ever been.

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  • #563573
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    They’re stacked at every position other than center. I don’t think they’ll go undefeated but they way better than UNC. #1 team in the nation! That may just be me being a biost kentucky fan 🙂

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  • #563657
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    They’re stacked at every position other than center. I don’t think they’ll go undefeated but they way better than UNC. #1 team in the nation! That may just be me being a biost kentucky fan 🙂

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  • #563577
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    oh yes, I am agreeing with you, like I said, having Jones and Lamb back is monumental, and Miller is definitely a solid guy.  I was just saying in terms of beyond the elite 8.  My only concerns is, can Vargas do as good a job as Harrelson did because I aint seeing them being as effective with Davis getting big time minutes at the 5.

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  • #563661
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    oh yes, I am agreeing with you, like I said, having Jones and Lamb back is monumental, and Miller is definitely a solid guy.  I was just saying in terms of beyond the elite 8.  My only concerns is, can Vargas do as good a job as Harrelson did because I aint seeing them being as effective with Davis getting big time minutes at the 5.

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  • #563581
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    I think they will stay in the top 5 or 6 all season. I  see Vanderbilt and Florida as the only teams that could beat them in the SEC (this is just pre season guessing there could always be a surprise) This years "Freshman All-Stars" Are a pretty unselfish group so i can see them making a Final Four run but i wouldnt promise a championship

    But i think everyone will earn their paychecks.

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  • #563665
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    I think they will stay in the top 5 or 6 all season. I  see Vanderbilt and Florida as the only teams that could beat them in the SEC (this is just pre season guessing there could always be a surprise) This years "Freshman All-Stars" Are a pretty unselfish group so i can see them making a Final Four run but i wouldnt promise a championship

    But i think everyone will earn their paychecks.

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  • #563587
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    "way better than UNC" ???

    dont think so.  even if you are saying talent wise thats debatable.  If McAdoo proves to be the stud he is proclaimed to be, there may be nothing standing in their way.  Its debatable that UNC has the best scorer, passer, and defender in the country…along with plenty of perimeter shooting and size.

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    • #563599
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      kentucky potentially has 5 lotto talents.(lamb, jones, gilchrist, davis, teague) UNC only has 2(mcadoo, barnes). yes those two happen to be very good, but I think that if it came down to UK and UNC in the NCAA championship game, UK would win.

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    • #563683
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      kentucky potentially has 5 lotto talents.(lamb, jones, gilchrist, davis, teague) UNC only has 2(mcadoo, barnes). yes those two happen to be very good, but I think that if it came down to UK and UNC in the NCAA championship game, UK would win.

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  • #563671
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    "way better than UNC" ???

    dont think so.  even if you are saying talent wise thats debatable.  If McAdoo proves to be the stud he is proclaimed to be, there may be nothing standing in their way.  Its debatable that UNC has the best scorer, passer, and defender in the country…along with plenty of perimeter shooting and size.

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  • #563589
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    sammybuckeye13
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    Marquise Teague – Doron Lamb – Michael Gilchrist – Terrence Jones – Anthony Davis

    terrifying.

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  • #563673
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    sammybuckeye13
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    Marquise Teague – Doron Lamb – Michael Gilchrist – Terrence Jones – Anthony Davis

    terrifying.

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  • #563591
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    oden07
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     marshall-mcadoo-barnes-henson-zeller terrifying

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    oden07
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     marshall-mcadoo-barnes-henson-zeller terrifying

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  • #563597
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    top 5 team… as a uk fan i really thought we were gonna win the ship this past year. I am ready for the new season to start and see how the recruits mesh and play…
    As mentioned center is def our weak point. When we played nc in the elite 8 and earlier in the year Zeller killed us when Harrellson wasn’t on floor and we are going to have a hard time matching up with teams if they have a big physical center like him, Vandys Ezeli, or Sullinger.

    I don’t think Davis is big enough, vargas is really bad and dont see him making anywhere close to the strides jorts made as jorts already was talented just needed to get in shape, T. Jones is not big enough/physical enough to match up w good centers… Wiltjer could become a big time player for us if he can play physical.

    We are gonna be running and its gonna be another fun year!
    CATS!!!

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  • #563681
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    top 5 team… as a uk fan i really thought we were gonna win the ship this past year. I am ready for the new season to start and see how the recruits mesh and play…
    As mentioned center is def our weak point. When we played nc in the elite 8 and earlier in the year Zeller killed us when Harrellson wasn’t on floor and we are going to have a hard time matching up with teams if they have a big physical center like him, Vandys Ezeli, or Sullinger.

    I don’t think Davis is big enough, vargas is really bad and dont see him making anywhere close to the strides jorts made as jorts already was talented just needed to get in shape, T. Jones is not big enough/physical enough to match up w good centers… Wiltjer could become a big time player for us if he can play physical.

    We are gonna be running and its gonna be another fun year!
    CATS!!!

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  • #563607
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    Overall, I just have to believe that talent trumps all in the end, and a UNC/UK game or National Championship with those two would see Kentucky emerge victorious based on this principle.

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  • #563690
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    Overall, I just have to believe that talent trumps all in the end, and a UNC/UK game or National Championship with those two would see Kentucky emerge victorious based on this principle.

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  • #563611
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    Kentucky is very good but lacks a real proven perimeter threat other than Lamb. Gilchrist has been mostly an inside player during his high school career. Also UNC has the upperhand because they have more proven players on the college level than kentucky. We suspect Teague, Davis, and Gilchrist will be good, but we know Zeller, Marshall, Barnes, Henson and Strickland can play. I think Kentuck is an elite 8 team.

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  • #563694
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    Kentucky is very good but lacks a real proven perimeter threat other than Lamb. Gilchrist has been mostly an inside player during his high school career. Also UNC has the upperhand because they have more proven players on the college level than kentucky. We suspect Teague, Davis, and Gilchrist will be good, but we know Zeller, Marshall, Barnes, Henson and Strickland can play. I think Kentuck is an elite 8 team.

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  • #563617
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     With lockouts in both NFL and NBA college basketball is what I’m looking forward to and this season is going to be one of the best in a awhile.  UNC and Kentucky are the cream of the crop with Ohio State right behind them.  On talent alone I think Kentucky could go undefeated especially in  a weak SEC this year, but they always play a good non-conference schedule and their inexperience will show at times against veteran teams.  But losing during the regular season will help in their maturation process and should pay off come tourney time.  It’ll be interesting how coach Cal deals with the minutes and the lineup.  

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  • #563701
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     With lockouts in both NFL and NBA college basketball is what I’m looking forward to and this season is going to be one of the best in a awhile.  UNC and Kentucky are the cream of the crop with Ohio State right behind them.  On talent alone I think Kentucky could go undefeated especially in  a weak SEC this year, but they always play a good non-conference schedule and their inexperience will show at times against veteran teams.  But losing during the regular season will help in their maturation process and should pay off come tourney time.  It’ll be interesting how coach Cal deals with the minutes and the lineup.  

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  • #563623
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    @MjHolmes. Lotto talent does not mean way better team it just means they have more potetial in the future. Alos Henson and Zeller has lotto talent and ZelLer is better RIGHT NOW than Davis. Uk is not better but maybe a step behind UNC who is the number 1 team coming in. UK has the potential to be number one if the freshmen live up to the hype(All of Cal’s recruits have not only lived up to hype of exceeded it).

    I’m a big UNC fan but i must say im looking forward to watching UK. Davis is skiny but he doesn’t haveto be a banger for most of the season because there aren’t many banging post men out there and i’m guessing Jones will be hecing the one’s that are.

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  • #563707
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    @MjHolmes. Lotto talent does not mean way better team it just means they have more potetial in the future. Alos Henson and Zeller has lotto talent and ZelLer is better RIGHT NOW than Davis. Uk is not better but maybe a step behind UNC who is the number 1 team coming in. UK has the potential to be number one if the freshmen live up to the hype(All of Cal’s recruits have not only lived up to hype of exceeded it).

    I’m a big UNC fan but i must say im looking forward to watching UK. Davis is skiny but he doesn’t haveto be a banger for most of the season because there aren’t many banging post men out there and i’m guessing Jones will be hecing the one’s that are.

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  • #563712
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    As far as undefeated i doubt it. Vandy returns most of their top players,Miss st returns their top 2 players and adds another good one,Florida may have the most leathal back court/deepth in the nation,Alabama will be tough as well

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  • #563629
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    As far as undefeated i doubt it. Vandy returns most of their top players,Miss st returns their top 2 players and adds another good one,Florida may have the most leathal back court/deepth in the nation,Alabama will be tough as well

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  • #563716
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    Screw the dleague, send players to kentucky to develop seems to be working out just fine haha

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  • #563633
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    Scottoant93
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    Screw the dleague, send players to kentucky to develop seems to be working out just fine haha

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  • #563722
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    Chilbert arenas
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     I forgot about Florida!! Bringing in  Beal, having a dynamic backcourt already and Mike Rosario is now eligible  on top of Patrick Young (Who I think is going to make big strides this year).  It wouldn’t surprise me if Florida won the SEC.  

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  • #563639
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     I forgot about Florida!! Bringing in  Beal, having a dynamic backcourt already and Mike Rosario is now eligible  on top of Patrick Young (Who I think is going to make big strides this year).  It wouldn’t surprise me if Florida won the SEC.  

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  • #563728
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    as far as right now…on the boards….yes, UK has more lotto talent, but as cward said, UNC has Barnes and McAdoo, plus Henson and Zeller couldve gotten into the lotto this year….and while not on the boards now….Bullock was high on the mocks here before being shut down for the season due to knee surgery. Hairston will be high in the 1st round mocks by his 2nd year as well.  On the current mock here, both UK and UNC have 5 in the 1st round.  Difference is…UK has no 1st round prospects after that who are currently on the roster, UNC has two.

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  • #563645
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    as far as right now…on the boards….yes, UK has more lotto talent, but as cward said, UNC has Barnes and McAdoo, plus Henson and Zeller couldve gotten into the lotto this year….and while not on the boards now….Bullock was high on the mocks here before being shut down for the season due to knee surgery. Hairston will be high in the 1st round mocks by his 2nd year as well.  On the current mock here, both UK and UNC have 5 in the 1st round.  Difference is…UK has no 1st round prospects after that who are currently on the roster, UNC has two.

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  • #563738
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    Wiltjer is gonna be a lot better than people think and he should be on the first round mock based on his potential. Not that it matters though because there is only so much time you can give a guy plus a non NBA first round lock that is a jr or sr could easily play better than the lotto guys (Darius Miller) on a given night. Its gonna be a hel of a game when they meet up an i expect them to challenge if not break the record for most watched regular season college basketball game in history.

    I’m not sold on Pat Young. Out side of his physical stature he isn’t that good of a offensive player with very limited post moves

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  • #563654
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    Wiltjer is gonna be a lot better than people think and he should be on the first round mock based on his potential. Not that it matters though because there is only so much time you can give a guy plus a non NBA first round lock that is a jr or sr could easily play better than the lotto guys (Darius Miller) on a given night. Its gonna be a hel of a game when they meet up an i expect them to challenge if not break the record for most watched regular season college basketball game in history.

    I’m not sold on Pat Young. Out side of his physical stature he isn’t that good of a offensive player with very limited post moves

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  • #563751
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    Darius Miller will start at the 3 spot for Kentucky again.  He’s a 4 year starter on that team.

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    champTRice
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    Darius Miller will start at the 3 spot for Kentucky again.  He’s a 4 year starter on that team.

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  • #563753
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    Doubt he starts over Gilchrist. I can see him starting over lamb though. and he hasn’t been a four year starter, sometimes he starts and sometimes he has come off the bench. Started most games after his freshman year but only 2 as a freshman(good player but never really had a consistant player who was talented enough to push him for starting minutes)

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  • #563668
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    Doubt he starts over Gilchrist. I can see him starting over lamb though. and he hasn’t been a four year starter, sometimes he starts and sometimes he has come off the bench. Started most games after his freshman year but only 2 as a freshman(good player but never really had a consistant player who was talented enough to push him for starting minutes)

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  • #563757
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    Def not undefeated because they’re not a complete enough team. Carolina has a better chance because they have everyone back in addition to a great class coming in, although I don’t think they’ll pull it off either because of how much talent there will be all over the nation.

    Great talent on this Kentucky team, but still some question marks as well. Getting Jones and Lamb back was huge because although on paper this is Cal’s strongest recruiting class, it may not be built for the type of instant impact we saw from his previous two at Kentucky. I still wonder:

    1. What type of year will Anthony Davis have? The kid is scary talented, but as a likely one and done will he be an instant impact guy right away or one who will be slowly brought along. Terrence Jones’ return keeps some pressure off him. His skill set and high school numbers are ridiculous, but time will tell how he adjusts to college with such a skinny frame.

    2. Marquis Teague. Most overrated recruit in the nation this year IMO. Didn’t even necessarily prove himself to be a cut above the other top players in Indianapolis. Ive seen him play a number of times in person and people really need to understand that this kid is not on the level Knight, Wall, Bledsoe, Evans, or Rose. As far as I see he’s the biggest question mark because the last several Calipari teams have had the point guard be one of their stars and I doubt that’ll be the case this year. He can be a non-factor when the game is slowed down and doesn’t have the same command of a team as other pgs in the class like Kabongo or Wroten. I don’t see a pure pg at all and think he will struggle mightily with turnovers early in the year, which is likely to cost them a game or two. His best attribute is being a 1 on 1 scorer, and he’s a great athlete, but no way this squad wins a title with him as their pg. Questionable attitude and I’ve never had a sense he really knows how to run the show. He doesn’t have the tightest handle and pretty much resorted to beating guys with his first step and strngth in high school. I think Lamb would be a better option at the point, and predict he’ll end up playing there a considerable amount before the end of the year.

    3. What position will Michael Gilchrist play? His game is unique in the sense that he’s a lock down defender on the perimeter, but more of an interior guy offensively. His shot is not good for a 3-man and although he shows a natural instinct to make plays with the ball, he does not look like a perimeter player when he dribbles. It will be interesting because with Miller, Davis, and Jones on the front line, i’m not sure where he’ll go. I’d love to see him come off the bench as a super sixth man that could fill in at different spots and still play starters minutes

    At the end of the day, Cal is a better coach than many realize and will have these guys ready to live up to the hype. He always knows his teams and will get them in the neighborhood of 30 wins, but I think they will be vulnerable in the tourney, more than the last two years.

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  • #563672
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    Def not undefeated because they’re not a complete enough team. Carolina has a better chance because they have everyone back in addition to a great class coming in, although I don’t think they’ll pull it off either because of how much talent there will be all over the nation.

    Great talent on this Kentucky team, but still some question marks as well. Getting Jones and Lamb back was huge because although on paper this is Cal’s strongest recruiting class, it may not be built for the type of instant impact we saw from his previous two at Kentucky. I still wonder:

    1. What type of year will Anthony Davis have? The kid is scary talented, but as a likely one and done will he be an instant impact guy right away or one who will be slowly brought along. Terrence Jones’ return keeps some pressure off him. His skill set and high school numbers are ridiculous, but time will tell how he adjusts to college with such a skinny frame.

    2. Marquis Teague. Most overrated recruit in the nation this year IMO. Didn’t even necessarily prove himself to be a cut above the other top players in Indianapolis. Ive seen him play a number of times in person and people really need to understand that this kid is not on the level Knight, Wall, Bledsoe, Evans, or Rose. As far as I see he’s the biggest question mark because the last several Calipari teams have had the point guard be one of their stars and I doubt that’ll be the case this year. He can be a non-factor when the game is slowed down and doesn’t have the same command of a team as other pgs in the class like Kabongo or Wroten. I don’t see a pure pg at all and think he will struggle mightily with turnovers early in the year, which is likely to cost them a game or two. His best attribute is being a 1 on 1 scorer, and he’s a great athlete, but no way this squad wins a title with him as their pg. Questionable attitude and I’ve never had a sense he really knows how to run the show. He doesn’t have the tightest handle and pretty much resorted to beating guys with his first step and strngth in high school. I think Lamb would be a better option at the point, and predict he’ll end up playing there a considerable amount before the end of the year.

    3. What position will Michael Gilchrist play? His game is unique in the sense that he’s a lock down defender on the perimeter, but more of an interior guy offensively. His shot is not good for a 3-man and although he shows a natural instinct to make plays with the ball, he does not look like a perimeter player when he dribbles. It will be interesting because with Miller, Davis, and Jones on the front line, i’m not sure where he’ll go. I’d love to see him come off the bench as a super sixth man that could fill in at different spots and still play starters minutes

    At the end of the day, Cal is a better coach than many realize and will have these guys ready to live up to the hype. He always knows his teams and will get them in the neighborhood of 30 wins, but I think they will be vulnerable in the tourney, more than the last two years.

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  • #563777
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    ^^^ interesting.
    Gilchrist doesn’t have the range of alot of 3 men but he has a pretty consistant mid range shot that i think will get better. Teauge seemed to not dominate during the H.S year as much as he does when he is matched up against other elite PG like Kabongo but he is definatly more consistant than Wroten and he should be very good along the lines of the other UK point guards but in his own right( he has been on a world tour of domination this summer while working at camps out playing every pg he has been matched up with including other college and guards). He seems to step it up when playing against top comp, and he is impossible to stop from getting in the paint which is a great thing since he will have two great finishers in Davis and Jones

    UK system will be prerfect for a player like Gilchrist because his game flourishes in a dribble drive type offense but the beauty of his game is he doesn’t need to score alot in order to dominate. I’m not really sure why you don’t think this class is built for instant impact even though this may be the most skilled class Cal as ever had (relying more on skill then physical ability like being fast or being bigger then other players)

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  • #563693
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    ^^^ interesting.
    Gilchrist doesn’t have the range of alot of 3 men but he has a pretty consistant mid range shot that i think will get better. Teauge seemed to not dominate during the H.S year as much as he does when he is matched up against other elite PG like Kabongo but he is definatly more consistant than Wroten and he should be very good along the lines of the other UK point guards but in his own right( he has been on a world tour of domination this summer while working at camps out playing every pg he has been matched up with including other college and guards). He seems to step it up when playing against top comp, and he is impossible to stop from getting in the paint which is a great thing since he will have two great finishers in Davis and Jones

    UK system will be prerfect for a player like Gilchrist because his game flourishes in a dribble drive type offense but the beauty of his game is he doesn’t need to score alot in order to dominate. I’m not really sure why you don’t think this class is built for instant impact even though this may be the most skilled class Cal as ever had (relying more on skill then physical ability like being fast or being bigger then other players)

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  • #563785
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    @cward23   Miller has started 70 college games and played in 112 games in 3 years.  This includes 68 out of 76 in the last two years under Coach Cal.

    Although he hasn’t lived up to his potential as a top 50 player and 4 star recruit out of high school, Coach Cal is very high on him and his talent and having a senior on the floor is what they want.

    Gilchrist is good, no doubt there, but he’s going to be competing for the backup 3 and 4 positions more than the starting 3 position.

     

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    @cward23   Miller has started 70 college games and played in 112 games in 3 years.  This includes 68 out of 76 in the last two years under Coach Cal.

    Although he hasn’t lived up to his potential as a top 50 player and 4 star recruit out of high school, Coach Cal is very high on him and his talent and having a senior on the floor is what they want.

    Gilchrist is good, no doubt there, but he’s going to be competing for the backup 3 and 4 positions more than the starting 3 position.

     

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     I think that they will be better next year.  Their core has played together and been to the tournament together.  UK will be good, but they could experience growing pains, although the past two UK squads have proved that inexperienced, but talented line-ups can do well, and this UK team does have key returning players.  I just think that UNC’s line-up fits well together, and it ended last season playing at a very high level.  Adding McAdoo will also really boost UNC’s depth, giving them very rare depth at the big man positions.  

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  • #563704
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     I think that they will be better next year.  Their core has played together and been to the tournament together.  UK will be good, but they could experience growing pains, although the past two UK squads have proved that inexperienced, but talented line-ups can do well, and this UK team does have key returning players.  I just think that UNC’s line-up fits well together, and it ended last season playing at a very high level.  Adding McAdoo will also really boost UNC’s depth, giving them very rare depth at the big man positions.  

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  • #563713
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    Second best team behind North Carolina.  I think Kentucky will be very good next year, but I believe that Lamb, Davis and Jones are all a tad bit overhyped.  I think all are first round draft piacks, but I don’t believe that Jones or Lamb should be lottery picks next year.  Anthony Davis is 6’11" and he weights 10 lbs less than 6’2" Shelvin Mack.  I know Mack is a bigger PG but can anyone seriously name me a succesful post player that weights less than 220 lbs?

    I also bet my team from Columbus would give them one hell of a run.  Craft, Buford, Thomas and maybe the best frontcourt player in college basketball Jared Sullinger; and that does not include Shannon Scott and Amir Williams who were both McDonalds all Americans.  Dont count out Sullinger and company.

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  • #563797
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    mwalling2117
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    Second best team behind North Carolina.  I think Kentucky will be very good next year, but I believe that Lamb, Davis and Jones are all a tad bit overhyped.  I think all are first round draft piacks, but I don’t believe that Jones or Lamb should be lottery picks next year.  Anthony Davis is 6’11" and he weights 10 lbs less than 6’2" Shelvin Mack.  I know Mack is a bigger PG but can anyone seriously name me a succesful post player that weights less than 220 lbs?

    I also bet my team from Columbus would give them one hell of a run.  Craft, Buford, Thomas and maybe the best frontcourt player in college basketball Jared Sullinger; and that does not include Shannon Scott and Amir Williams who were both McDonalds all Americans.  Dont count out Sullinger and company.

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  • #563784
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    Cal has said he see’s Gilchrist as a starter and Gilchrist has been giving it to Miller when they have had open run(according to Kentucky fans on there site. And i already said Miller only started 2 games as a feshman. Also the fact that he hasn’t had any real competition for the starting spot and the players who have competed with him have been far less talented than Gilchrist. Coach Cal has said he never has no problem starting Freshmen over Sr if the Freshman is the better player(which Gilchrist is. ) If anything i can see miller starting over Lamb who is a one dimensional player who struggles on defense from time to time.

    As far as Davis weight thats not a issue when you are a good player which he is. The weight will only be a issue if he is guarding a big who is a brusier(Sullinger). The thing that makes Davis not overrated is how hard he plays and how he runs the floor at all times. He doesn’t need plays run for him because he can get all his points just by running the floor.

    Skinny guys who have played well

    Anthony Randolph
    Jarvas Vernado
    Jerome Williams

    These players range from 197-210lbs

    K.G
    Theo Ratlif

    Those players are 217 and below. I think Davis ends up in that range the time he starts the season after lifting weights.

    Also Durant played PF and although he played alot outside he scored many times on the block. If you know how to get in the right spots you’re weight doesn’t matter as much in College. Or if you are wiry strong

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  • #563870
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    Cal has said he see’s Gilchrist as a starter and Gilchrist has been giving it to Miller when they have had open run(according to Kentucky fans on there site. And i already said Miller only started 2 games as a feshman. Also the fact that he hasn’t had any real competition for the starting spot and the players who have competed with him have been far less talented than Gilchrist. Coach Cal has said he never has no problem starting Freshmen over Sr if the Freshman is the better player(which Gilchrist is. ) If anything i can see miller starting over Lamb who is a one dimensional player who struggles on defense from time to time.

    As far as Davis weight thats not a issue when you are a good player which he is. The weight will only be a issue if he is guarding a big who is a brusier(Sullinger). The thing that makes Davis not overrated is how hard he plays and how he runs the floor at all times. He doesn’t need plays run for him because he can get all his points just by running the floor.

    Skinny guys who have played well

    Anthony Randolph
    Jarvas Vernado
    Jerome Williams

    These players range from 197-210lbs

    K.G
    Theo Ratlif

    Those players are 217 and below. I think Davis ends up in that range the time he starts the season after lifting weights.

    Also Durant played PF and although he played alot outside he scored many times on the block. If you know how to get in the right spots you’re weight doesn’t matter as much in College. Or if you are wiry strong

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  • #563792
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    I’m not sure how they will finish, but I have said for the last couple of years that this would likely be their year. I knew there would be a lockout and with the talent that Kentucky was pulling with Cal that a lockout would give them an even bigger advantage. I just didn’t anticipate how many guys from other schools would come back too. I think this is where Cal is going to have to show his worth by having to start actually managing minutes. I think the Wall/Cousins team severely under performed. That was the biggest team and most athletic in the country, just no depth. Last years team overachieved, but they were pretty close to a couple of early round upsets that would have made the season a hard one to swallow. They are going to go into this year with a lot of talent, but they also lost a lot of toughness and defense with the loss of Harrelson and Liggins.

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  • #563878
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    I’m not sure how they will finish, but I have said for the last couple of years that this would likely be their year. I knew there would be a lockout and with the talent that Kentucky was pulling with Cal that a lockout would give them an even bigger advantage. I just didn’t anticipate how many guys from other schools would come back too. I think this is where Cal is going to have to show his worth by having to start actually managing minutes. I think the Wall/Cousins team severely under performed. That was the biggest team and most athletic in the country, just no depth. Last years team overachieved, but they were pretty close to a couple of early round upsets that would have made the season a hard one to swallow. They are going to go into this year with a lot of talent, but they also lost a lot of toughness and defense with the loss of Harrelson and Liggins.

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  • #563796
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    The Harrelson loss is gonna be tough to replace. Davis can replace everything he did but his big body is gonna be tough to replace. Gilchrist and Miller can replace Liggins as far as defense and Wiltijer is gonna be the surprise with his way advanced offensive post game and deadly range.

    Thats saying something as far as Wall/cousins underperforming when one was SEC Player of the year and both were 1st Team All American’s. The only way they would have been better is to be co-player of the year for the season and both were pretty close to that

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  • #563881
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    The Harrelson loss is gonna be tough to replace. Davis can replace everything he did but his big body is gonna be tough to replace. Gilchrist and Miller can replace Liggins as far as defense and Wiltijer is gonna be the surprise with his way advanced offensive post game and deadly range.

    Thats saying something as far as Wall/cousins underperforming when one was SEC Player of the year and both were 1st Team All American’s. The only way they would have been better is to be co-player of the year for the season and both were pretty close to that

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  • #563805
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    The SEC will be a tough league next season..Miss St. is my sleeper pick..

    But i expect Kentucky to once to be too talented to not be among the Elite 8…If they can combine the that talent into chemistry they’ll be fine…

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  • #563892
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    The SEC will be a tough league next season..Miss St. is my sleeper pick..

    But i expect Kentucky to once to be too talented to not be among the Elite 8…If they can combine the that talent into chemistry they’ll be fine…

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  • #563863
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     People always talk about talent, and I saw someone say "they (UK) might have 5 lotto picks." UNC might have 5 first round draft picks! It’s not like either team is going to have an edge. That being said, North Carolina’s best player (Harrison Barnes) is now in his 2nd year, after dominating last season in the ACC. Zeller, and Henson are a tremendous front court, you have McAdoo, and Marshall, Strickland, and McDonald. This team has more experience, and I’d argue just as stacked as Kentucky is. 

    The only thing we should all pray for next season (in college ball) is a Kentucky vs North Carolina national championship game. Literally a toss up, but I’d lean towards North Carolina with the experience factor, and I think Harrison Barnes is the best player in the country right now. 

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  • #563950
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     People always talk about talent, and I saw someone say "they (UK) might have 5 lotto picks." UNC might have 5 first round draft picks! It’s not like either team is going to have an edge. That being said, North Carolina’s best player (Harrison Barnes) is now in his 2nd year, after dominating last season in the ACC. Zeller, and Henson are a tremendous front court, you have McAdoo, and Marshall, Strickland, and McDonald. This team has more experience, and I’d argue just as stacked as Kentucky is. 

    The only thing we should all pray for next season (in college ball) is a Kentucky vs North Carolina national championship game. Literally a toss up, but I’d lean towards North Carolina with the experience factor, and I think Harrison Barnes is the best player in the country right now. 

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  • #563877
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    Can you give me the link to the commenters talking about Kentucky gym sessions?  I want to see what they are saying.

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    Can you give me the link to the commenters talking about Kentucky gym sessions?  I want to see what they are saying.

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  • #564014
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    def not undefeated, but theyre very good, this year there are a few teams which i see as being far better than the pack

    Kentucky

    Duke

    UNC

    Ohio St.

    Baylor

    Memphis

     

    Kentucky has 1 team i would say is serious comp in the SEC in vanderbilt

    Duke and UNC have each other and no one else

    Ohio St has Michigan and Mich St but i dont see either of them posing much of a threat

    Baylor looks to me like by far the class of the big 12 with Jones and Miller 

    Memphis with Barton, Thomas, and little joe jackson will likely run the table in conference 

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  • #563928
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    def not undefeated, but theyre very good, this year there are a few teams which i see as being far better than the pack

    Kentucky

    Duke

    UNC

    Ohio St.

    Baylor

    Memphis

     

    Kentucky has 1 team i would say is serious comp in the SEC in vanderbilt

    Duke and UNC have each other and no one else

    Ohio St has Michigan and Mich St but i dont see either of them posing much of a threat

    Baylor looks to me like by far the class of the big 12 with Jones and Miller 

    Memphis with Barton, Thomas, and little joe jackson will likely run the table in conference 

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  • #564026
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    I see them winning the SEC and going far in the tournament, but I highly doubt they will go undefeated. There very talented on paper, but some of the freshmen could end up being busts(it happens all the time), or they could have some chemistry problems. Not to mention they have a very tough schedule where they play UNC, Louisville, Kansas, and SEC teams, they will most likely slip up somewhere.

     

    I think the team with Wall was better than this one, and they didn’t go undefeated or get to the Final 4.

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  • #563939
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    I see them winning the SEC and going far in the tournament, but I highly doubt they will go undefeated. There very talented on paper, but some of the freshmen could end up being busts(it happens all the time), or they could have some chemistry problems. Not to mention they have a very tough schedule where they play UNC, Louisville, Kansas, and SEC teams, they will most likely slip up somewhere.

     

    I think the team with Wall was better than this one, and they didn’t go undefeated or get to the Final 4.

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