[high floorParticipant]

Feel free to interperet this question however you see fit (i.e statistics, affect on his team’s regular season W/L record, playoff success, championships etc…)

I’ll make a prediction on each, but my projections are based upon him signing a max deal with Detroit in the offseason, SVG remaining the head coach for at least the next 5-6 seasons, and both Reggie Jackson & Stanley Johnson playing as consistently above average starters for their position:

Prime stat line (Age 23-28): 19pts, 15rebs, 2blks, 62%FG

Team’s average W/L record during his prime: 53 wins, 29 losses

Playoff success: At least 1 trip to ECF

As long as the Pistons have SVG and Drummond, I think their future is bright. Milwaukee’s upswing makes things a little murkier as a division rival, but they should have some great battles as their cores continue to improve.

 

 

 

 

 

[T Rex]

 He’s elite at rebounding his bricks, only some of which are intentional.

More likely to appear in an action movie or Degrassi High episode than to advance to the second round of the playoffs.

Crunch time is bench time with this guy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[T Rex]

 He’s elite at rebounding his bricks, only some of which are intentional.

More likely to appear in an action movie or Degrassi High episode than to advance to the second round of the playoffs.

Crunch time is bench time with this guy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[BleedGreen808Participant]

 To me there are a couple of areas that will determine how good he can really be.  First he needs to improve his free throw shooting.  He can’t shoot under 40% from the line without it reducing his imact on the game.  Secondly he needs to keep improving his low post game now that Detroit has some stretch 4’s to give him room down low.  However if he doesn’t improve his free throw percentage an improved low post game won’t mean as much.  

Last year he averaged 13.8pts 13.5rebs and 1.9blks.  I didn’t see Detroit much last season so correct me if I’m wrong but I think he did most of his work on putbacks and lobs.  I’d say he is only scratching the surface of his potential but only time will tell just how good he’ll be.  

[BleedGreen808Participant]

 To me there are a couple of areas that will determine how good he can really be.  First he needs to improve his free throw shooting.  He can’t shoot under 40% from the line without it reducing his imact on the game.  Secondly he needs to keep improving his low post game now that Detroit has some stretch 4’s to give him room down low.  However if he doesn’t improve his free throw percentage an improved low post game won’t mean as much.  

Last year he averaged 13.8pts 13.5rebs and 1.9blks.  I didn’t see Detroit much last season so correct me if I’m wrong but I think he did most of his work on putbacks and lobs.  I’d say he is only scratching the surface of his potential but only time will tell just how good he’ll be.  

[Rip255]

He’s really good at some things…and really bad at others. 

In all honesty, I think he hurts the team more than he helps them. 

Ask yourself…is he someone you really want on your team?

  

 

[SubZeroParticipant]

Yes

[SubZeroParticipant]

Yes

[Rip255]

He’s really good at some things…and really bad at others. 

In all honesty, I think he hurts the team more than he helps them. 

Ask yourself…is he someone you really want on your team?

  

 

[Chilbert arenasParticipant]

 I’ve always been a big drummond fan but that potential needs to be realized sooner than later . Dwight averaged 20pts and 14 rebs while be DPOY at same age. If anything Drummond is more talented on offense than Dwight and needs to take a big step this year if he wants to be considered one of the best young centers. 

[Chilbert arenasParticipant]

 I’ve always been a big drummond fan but that potential needs to be realized sooner than later . Dwight averaged 20pts and 14 rebs while be DPOY at same age. If anything Drummond is more talented on offense than Dwight and needs to take a big step this year if he wants to be considered one of the best young centers. 

[JR RyderParticipant]

Because of Drummond’s freethrow issues and lack of offensive skills, I cant see him ever being a focal point of his team’s offense. I think his ceiling is not too far off as Deandre Jordan. Drummond has just too many holes in his game to really be the next great center. 16ppg and 14rpg is probably his peak.

[JR RyderParticipant]

Because of Drummond’s freethrow issues and lack of offensive skills, I cant see him ever being a focal point of his team’s offense. I think his ceiling is not too far off as Deandre Jordan. Drummond has just too many holes in his game to really be the next great center. 16ppg and 14rpg is probably his peak.

[thetrademachineryParticipant]

 c’mon this guy was born in 1993 same year with WCS and Kaminsky. He has untapped potential and he can develop. 

I believe he will develop some offensive game close to the basket. And surrounding him with shooters, he will average +20ppg like Orlando Dwight in a couple of years if not this year.

 

 

 

[thetrademachineryParticipant]

 c’mon this guy was born in 1993 same year with WCS and Kaminsky. He has untapped potential and he can develop. 

I believe he will develop some offensive game close to the basket. And surrounding him with shooters, he will average +20ppg like Orlando Dwight in a couple of years if not this year.

 

 

 

[chaParticipant]

 here just shows how little they know about Andre Drummond. He’s an elite rebouder already, probably the best per minute rebounder in the game right now. Offensively, he’s getting there. He now possess some rudimentary skills to score and his skill set only kept growing as the season got on. SVG just hired a new shooting coach that was responsible for Haywood’s free throw improvement from below .500 to a respectable .700++. Also, the roster changes that Stan has done in the past year is nothing short of impressive: Marcus Morris, Ersan Ilyasova, both floor spacers, will be splitting the minutes that Greg Monroe left when he departed ways with the Pistons. Reggie Jackson just got resigned nd Im here to say that he is a better playmaker than Jennings is. Stanley Johnson is a do it all wing that can vritually be a two way player along with the second year shooting guard, Caldwell-Pope. The Pistons will make the playoffs and Andre will be leading the charge and hopefully starting in his first all star game. 

[ZachAttackParticipant]

 Good rating overall, but I will say KCP is third year.

[ZachAttackParticipant]

 Good rating overall, but I will say KCP is third year.

[chaParticipant]

 here just shows how little they know about Andre Drummond. He’s an elite rebouder already, probably the best per minute rebounder in the game right now. Offensively, he’s getting there. He now possess some rudimentary skills to score and his skill set only kept growing as the season got on. SVG just hired a new shooting coach that was responsible for Haywood’s free throw improvement from below .500 to a respectable .700++. Also, the roster changes that Stan has done in the past year is nothing short of impressive: Marcus Morris, Ersan Ilyasova, both floor spacers, will be splitting the minutes that Greg Monroe left when he departed ways with the Pistons. Reggie Jackson just got resigned nd Im here to say that he is a better playmaker than Jennings is. Stanley Johnson is a do it all wing that can vritually be a two way player along with the second year shooting guard, Caldwell-Pope. The Pistons will make the playoffs and Andre will be leading the charge and hopefully starting in his first all star game. 

[Ebown5Participant]

 I am a big Drummond fan, and think that he is on his way to being a franchise center.

That being said, I don’t think that he will ever be as good as Dwight Howard in his prime. His size, strength, and athleticism are great, but he is not an elite rim protector, and I’m not sure that he will ever average 20 ppg.

Still, he is a stud that you can build around.

I would say that his ceiling is a notch above the current deandre Jordan. 

[Ebown5Participant]

 I am a big Drummond fan, and think that he is on his way to being a franchise center.

That being said, I don’t think that he will ever be as good as Dwight Howard in his prime. His size, strength, and athleticism are great, but he is not an elite rim protector, and I’m not sure that he will ever average 20 ppg.

Still, he is a stud that you can build around.

I would say that his ceiling is a notch above the current deandre Jordan. 

[Ebown5Participant]

 Also, despite the fact that he is still super young, big men either have touch or they don’t. I don’t think that you ever develop touch over the course of a career.

Someone like Okafor or Duncan were born with it, but people like Dwight, Deandre, Andre, and even Shaq, never really had it. You can dominate offensively without it, but only if you have overwhelming physical advantages like Shaq did.

Watch the Hakeem and Dwight training videos to see how far coaching and practice can go. Hakeem lays everything out for him, and Howard does his best to emulate it, but when it comes right down to it, Howard isn’t capable of doing a lot of that stuff.

If Embiid ever gets healthy then watch out, because he can do it all, and a training session with Hakeem would be amazing for him.

For Drummond, Hakeem could show him moves upon moves, but you can’t make someone have touch.

[Ebown5Participant]

 Also, despite the fact that he is still super young, big men either have touch or they don’t. I don’t think that you ever develop touch over the course of a career.

Someone like Okafor or Duncan were born with it, but people like Dwight, Deandre, Andre, and even Shaq, never really had it. You can dominate offensively without it, but only if you have overwhelming physical advantages like Shaq did.

Watch the Hakeem and Dwight training videos to see how far coaching and practice can go. Hakeem lays everything out for him, and Howard does his best to emulate it, but when it comes right down to it, Howard isn’t capable of doing a lot of that stuff.

If Embiid ever gets healthy then watch out, because he can do it all, and a training session with Hakeem would be amazing for him.

For Drummond, Hakeem could show him moves upon moves, but you can’t make someone have touch.

[alex23Participant]

 I do agree with what mostly everything you said except that Shaq didn’t really have a touch. I disagree with that, Shaq had an amazing touch around the basket (of all time) especially for a guy that physically dominant, his lack of free throw shooting was always more on mechanics/form than his touch and thats what many people tend to not realize.

[alex23Participant]

 I do agree with what mostly everything you said except that Shaq didn’t really have a touch. I disagree with that, Shaq had an amazing touch around the basket (of all time) especially for a guy that physically dominant, his lack of free throw shooting was always more on mechanics/form than his touch and thats what many people tend to not realize.

[chaParticipant]

Andre’s got that baby hook in the lane down to the tee. Once he gets the ball with both his feet set in the painted area, it’s over. That’s how much he’s improved in the past 3 years. Shaq had a good hook shot as well. You are probably basing touch as in free throw/jump shooting only. Having touch in his hook shots is something you need to factor in as well. 

 

[chaParticipant]

Andre’s got that baby hook in the lane down to the tee. Once he gets the ball with both his feet set in the painted area, it’s over. That’s how much he’s improved in the past 3 years. Shaq had a good hook shot as well. You are probably basing touch as in free throw/jump shooting only. Having touch in his hook shots is something you need to factor in as well. 

 

[GBeeParticipant]

 He really doesn’t have that baby hook that you speak of.  Back out his dunks and he shoots 42% from the floor. His % on hooks is right in line with that at 42.7%. Drummond is not a natural in terms of trying to score the ball when its not a spoonfed finish.  His releases are weird.  He shoots on the way up. His release on his hook in particular isn’t at a high point, shooting more of a 3/4 hook, almost as if he shoots before he picks up the hoop.  He rushes his shots.  He has no patience on his post touches.  He’s clueless trying to read defenses.  I’ve heard the excuse that the reason why his FG% for such a big, athletic dude is unimpressive is because he misses a lot of volleyball tips.  Well, the numbers are there to break down.  You back out his dunks and his tips, and he’s still right around 42%.  That’s bad and definitely not a figure you’d associate with someone having touch.  Even his % converting lay ups is subpar.  So basically when he’s in a position to catch the ball and shoot it in some sort of way that isn’t a dunk, he doesn’t convert at a good rate.

Overall, he looks like a DeAndre Jordan without the tenacity to me.  Even when Jordan sucked he still played with physicality and a bit of a mean streak, setting hard screens, being physical on the interior and trying to put defenders in hoops.  I don’t see that in Drummond.  I think building an offense around him would be a huge mistake because his IQ, scoring instincts and ability to read defenses are so low.  I think the hope with him is that he eventually becomes good defensively to complement his rebounding and he can become an anchor, but I have doubts about that too because his low IQ and instincts extend to that end too.  He has the type of game and athleticism to put up box score stats, while at the same time you can still question whether he’s actually good on either end.

 

[chaParticipant]

 See, stats are misleading. They tell the truth but not the entirety of the situation while leaving out important context and circumstances. Andre’s poor shooting was attributed due to bad spacing, restricted minutes, foul trouble and a logjam in the frontcourt all the while you’re asking a previously non-threat in the offense to create for the first time in his pro career. As the Pistons managed to reoncicle the logjam by getting rid of Josh Smith and Andre getting more experience under Stan’s defensive system his playing time got more consistent and the rotations got a whole better. By season’s end, Andre would showcase his post moves and that baby hook. One thing that is evident is when he catches the ball with both his feet set in the paint, it’s over. You can only foul him to prevent the 2 point field goal. Three years ago, Andre wouldnt even think about dribbling let along take a shot like that. He’s come a long way and it’s not safe to bet against him. For further evidence go look up any of his highlights post Smith and you’ll see that he is capable of scoring the paint now- don’t give me that it’s highlights it’s suppose to make you look good excuse either because if he wasn’t capable of doing so he wouldn’t do it multiple TIMES. 

Low basketball IQ? No. He actually has a good feel for the game and he’s been more than capable of playing within himself in the past three yeas. Now that Greg Monroe and Josh Smith is out and with the addition of floor spacers, we will see whether or not Andre can take his offensive game to the next level and be a reliable post up option when called upon regularly.

 

[GBeeParticipant]

 It’s funny how often "stats are misleading" when they completely contradict people’s arguments on this site. The rest of your first paragraph sounds like excuse making. The splits are there for you to look at. His FG% as 51.4 on the season, post Josh Smith (which was the greater part of the season) it went up a whole .5 of a percent.  Some improvement with the improved spacing.    

 Putting a player with his lack of offensive skill, ability to read/ react to a defense and lack of touch in a position to create is a just a bad idea if you’re trying to win games. At that juncture Stan’s just trying to sow seeds but in the end I think it’ll be fruitless because of Andre’s poor instincts, feel, touch and lack of confidence at the stripe.

 

 And yeah, he is a LOW IQ player.  That has been the case for him at every single stage of his development.  Just look at him try to read a defense.  It’s laughable.  Dude would have a negative assist rate if that was possible.  It’s almost as if he panics if he’s forced in a position to make a pivotal decision.  Look at his feel with his back to the basket.  He has no concept of feeling his defender and countering with moves.  His moves are either rushed and or premeditated.  Look at his lack of awareness on defense and how he relaxes when he’s not around the ball.  Watch the way he doesn’t do his work early and gets outworked by smaller players or how often he reaches for the ball going for steals in open space when he’s supposed to be the last line of the defense.  As that last line of defense, watch how infrequent his communication is.  Count how many times he reacts late on rotations, relying on his athleticism to recover.

 

  He’s an amazing physical specimen, one of the freakiest in the game, but he’s not much of a thinker or a skill guy.  Centers these days can function and produce being like that, but being a centerpiece on either end as the offensive hub or defensive anchor is a different story.  I’d bet against Dre becoming good as either given what he’s shown so far in his entire development, from HS to the present.

[chaParticipant]

 You speak in such a commanding tone as if you’ve watched the Pistons games. This is exactly why I don’t bother with statistics. Anyone can look like a basketball phenom and a total scrub with statistics- that’s the power it has. Coach Pop and his staff only uses it for conventional and talking pieces and nothing more. 

Low IQ? Have you seen his passing out of doubles? His triple threat possessions? He makes good reads and surprisingly he has good passing skills. I just can’t wait once the season starts and he gets more touches in a better spaced offense and then we will witness how his offense matured over the years.

 

 On defense, he keeps mentioning a lack of trust on his teammates because if he leaves his feet that will leave his man unguarded right below the basket. And can you blame him? He’s had 4 coaches in his first four years, terrible overall fit in the roster, and this is the first time in his career that he’s going into the training camp with acual experience and knowledge of the system and the core players that they will be playing with. I actually believe that his biggest problem is post defense not rim protection. He just looks like he’s still getting his feet wet out there. 

 

[GBeeParticipant]

 And I haven’t watched any Pistons games? Yet another common argumentative cop out from you. "You don’t watch the games…you don’t watch so and so play… blah blah."  Typical baseless crutch.  You’re not really good at this if you have to fall on all these lame, cliche crutches.  I wouldn’t make my observations if I didn’t watch him play.

Statistics are only thrown out by people like you because they contradict your false statements.  Take for example what you said in this thread.  You said that Drummond had a good jump hook.  You don’t need complex mathematical models to prove that false.  Drummond converted at a poor rate when in a position where he actually had to shoot the ball.  That is a fact despite all the excuses that you make for why that was the case.  The situational figures are all laid out for you.

And you’re wrong about Pop and the Spurs. Dead wrong. http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2015/02/23/spurs-among-those-all-in-with-analytics/

What are you gonna say next? You don’t believe in blogs that post facts either?

Yeah I’ve seen Drummond try to pass out of doubles. He’s bad at it. He’s one of those players who for the opposing team it’s a win/win situation if the Pistons try to post him up because he’s not a good 1 on 1 player and he panics under pressure.  Single cover or bring the quick double to force him to think and make a decision; either are viable options given how inept he is.  Him rushing his moves and shots in post ups extends to passing out of doubles too. He’s not an instinctual player. He doesn’t "feel" the defense either on his back to execute the correct counter or feel where the pressure is coming from to anticipate where the ball should go. He’s not that type of player. Never has been. You honestly think that a freak of nature like him, with his combination of size and athleticism, would’ve been selected anywhere but 1st overall if he was naturally a high IQ player with good instincts? That’s a major reason why he was taken where he was, because his instincts were poor on both ends. I mean this dude was physically by himself at the HS level.  No one could match up with him physically, yet the dude was scared to post up in HS.

I blame him for being soft defending the post, not communicating and being late in help situations, relaxing when the action moves even slightly away from him, going for blocks instead of walling off so he can make multiple defensive efforts while maintaining rebounding position, reaching for steals in space and compromising the rest of the defense, etc. That’s all on him and those situations arise because he’s a low IQ player who lacks good basketball instincts.

 

 

 

 

 

[chaParticipant]

 Care to change your statement? It’s been evident that he’s servicable in the low post. 

[GBeeParticipant]

 No, he still sucks in the post. Combined iso and post up possessions he shoots 39% with a score frequency of about 35% when left to his own devices, which puts him roughly around the 30th% percentile of the league.  Improved, but still really bad. Not serviceable as a post up scorer,  then you factor in his ast rate…

[chaParticipant]

 lol

[GBeeParticipant]

 lol, what? Does that make him serviceable in the post like you said? No. Go ahead and look up the numbers on nba.com.  They’re broken down by possessions from FG%, points per possession, score frequency and percentile compared to the rest of the league. He still sucks in the post.

Now it’s my turn to laugh at you for thinking you made a point.

 

[GBeeParticipant]

 lol, what? Does that make him serviceable in the post like you said? No. Go ahead and look up the numbers on nba.com.  They’re broken down by possessions from FG%, points per possession, score frequency and percentile compared to the rest of the league. He still sucks in the post.

Now it’s my turn to laugh at you for thinking you made a point.

 

[chaParticipant]

 lol

[GBeeParticipant]

 No, he still sucks in the post. Combined iso and post up possessions he shoots 39% with a score frequency of about 35% when left to his own devices, which puts him roughly around the 30th% percentile of the league.  Improved, but still really bad. Not serviceable as a post up scorer,  then you factor in his ast rate…

[chaParticipant]

 Care to change your statement? It’s been evident that he’s servicable in the low post. 

[GBeeParticipant]

 And I haven’t watched any Pistons games? Yet another common argumentative cop out from you. "You don’t watch the games…you don’t watch so and so play… blah blah."  Typical baseless crutch.  You’re not really good at this if you have to fall on all these lame, cliche crutches.  I wouldn’t make my observations if I didn’t watch him play.

Statistics are only thrown out by people like you because they contradict your false statements.  Take for example what you said in this thread.  You said that Drummond had a good jump hook.  You don’t need complex mathematical models to prove that false.  Drummond converted at a poor rate when in a position where he actually had to shoot the ball.  That is a fact despite all the excuses that you make for why that was the case.  The situational figures are all laid out for you.

And you’re wrong about Pop and the Spurs. Dead wrong. http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2015/02/23/spurs-among-those-all-in-with-analytics/

What are you gonna say next? You don’t believe in blogs that post facts either?

Yeah I’ve seen Drummond try to pass out of doubles. He’s bad at it. He’s one of those players who for the opposing team it’s a win/win situation if the Pistons try to post him up because he’s not a good 1 on 1 player and he panics under pressure.  Single cover or bring the quick double to force him to think and make a decision; either are viable options given how inept he is.  Him rushing his moves and shots in post ups extends to passing out of doubles too. He’s not an instinctual player. He doesn’t "feel" the defense either on his back to execute the correct counter or feel where the pressure is coming from to anticipate where the ball should go. He’s not that type of player. Never has been. You honestly think that a freak of nature like him, with his combination of size and athleticism, would’ve been selected anywhere but 1st overall if he was naturally a high IQ player with good instincts? That’s a major reason why he was taken where he was, because his instincts were poor on both ends. I mean this dude was physically by himself at the HS level.  No one could match up with him physically, yet the dude was scared to post up in HS.

I blame him for being soft defending the post, not communicating and being late in help situations, relaxing when the action moves even slightly away from him, going for blocks instead of walling off so he can make multiple defensive efforts while maintaining rebounding position, reaching for steals in space and compromising the rest of the defense, etc. That’s all on him and those situations arise because he’s a low IQ player who lacks good basketball instincts.

 

 

 

 

 

[chaParticipant]

 You speak in such a commanding tone as if you’ve watched the Pistons games. This is exactly why I don’t bother with statistics. Anyone can look like a basketball phenom and a total scrub with statistics- that’s the power it has. Coach Pop and his staff only uses it for conventional and talking pieces and nothing more. 

Low IQ? Have you seen his passing out of doubles? His triple threat possessions? He makes good reads and surprisingly he has good passing skills. I just can’t wait once the season starts and he gets more touches in a better spaced offense and then we will witness how his offense matured over the years.

 

 On defense, he keeps mentioning a lack of trust on his teammates because if he leaves his feet that will leave his man unguarded right below the basket. And can you blame him? He’s had 4 coaches in his first four years, terrible overall fit in the roster, and this is the first time in his career that he’s going into the training camp with acual experience and knowledge of the system and the core players that they will be playing with. I actually believe that his biggest problem is post defense not rim protection. He just looks like he’s still getting his feet wet out there. 

 

[GBeeParticipant]

 It’s funny how often "stats are misleading" when they completely contradict people’s arguments on this site. The rest of your first paragraph sounds like excuse making. The splits are there for you to look at. His FG% as 51.4 on the season, post Josh Smith (which was the greater part of the season) it went up a whole .5 of a percent.  Some improvement with the improved spacing.    

 Putting a player with his lack of offensive skill, ability to read/ react to a defense and lack of touch in a position to create is a just a bad idea if you’re trying to win games. At that juncture Stan’s just trying to sow seeds but in the end I think it’ll be fruitless because of Andre’s poor instincts, feel, touch and lack of confidence at the stripe.

 

 And yeah, he is a LOW IQ player.  That has been the case for him at every single stage of his development.  Just look at him try to read a defense.  It’s laughable.  Dude would have a negative assist rate if that was possible.  It’s almost as if he panics if he’s forced in a position to make a pivotal decision.  Look at his feel with his back to the basket.  He has no concept of feeling his defender and countering with moves.  His moves are either rushed and or premeditated.  Look at his lack of awareness on defense and how he relaxes when he’s not around the ball.  Watch the way he doesn’t do his work early and gets outworked by smaller players or how often he reaches for the ball going for steals in open space when he’s supposed to be the last line of the defense.  As that last line of defense, watch how infrequent his communication is.  Count how many times he reacts late on rotations, relying on his athleticism to recover.

 

  He’s an amazing physical specimen, one of the freakiest in the game, but he’s not much of a thinker or a skill guy.  Centers these days can function and produce being like that, but being a centerpiece on either end as the offensive hub or defensive anchor is a different story.  I’d bet against Dre becoming good as either given what he’s shown so far in his entire development, from HS to the present.

[chaParticipant]

 See, stats are misleading. They tell the truth but not the entirety of the situation while leaving out important context and circumstances. Andre’s poor shooting was attributed due to bad spacing, restricted minutes, foul trouble and a logjam in the frontcourt all the while you’re asking a previously non-threat in the offense to create for the first time in his pro career. As the Pistons managed to reoncicle the logjam by getting rid of Josh Smith and Andre getting more experience under Stan’s defensive system his playing time got more consistent and the rotations got a whole better. By season’s end, Andre would showcase his post moves and that baby hook. One thing that is evident is when he catches the ball with both his feet set in the paint, it’s over. You can only foul him to prevent the 2 point field goal. Three years ago, Andre wouldnt even think about dribbling let along take a shot like that. He’s come a long way and it’s not safe to bet against him. For further evidence go look up any of his highlights post Smith and you’ll see that he is capable of scoring the paint now- don’t give me that it’s highlights it’s suppose to make you look good excuse either because if he wasn’t capable of doing so he wouldn’t do it multiple TIMES. 

Low basketball IQ? No. He actually has a good feel for the game and he’s been more than capable of playing within himself in the past three yeas. Now that Greg Monroe and Josh Smith is out and with the addition of floor spacers, we will see whether or not Andre can take his offensive game to the next level and be a reliable post up option when called upon regularly.

 

[GBeeParticipant]

 He really doesn’t have that baby hook that you speak of.  Back out his dunks and he shoots 42% from the floor. His % on hooks is right in line with that at 42.7%. Drummond is not a natural in terms of trying to score the ball when its not a spoonfed finish.  His releases are weird.  He shoots on the way up. His release on his hook in particular isn’t at a high point, shooting more of a 3/4 hook, almost as if he shoots before he picks up the hoop.  He rushes his shots.  He has no patience on his post touches.  He’s clueless trying to read defenses.  I’ve heard the excuse that the reason why his FG% for such a big, athletic dude is unimpressive is because he misses a lot of volleyball tips.  Well, the numbers are there to break down.  You back out his dunks and his tips, and he’s still right around 42%.  That’s bad and definitely not a figure you’d associate with someone having touch.  Even his % converting lay ups is subpar.  So basically when he’s in a position to catch the ball and shoot it in some sort of way that isn’t a dunk, he doesn’t convert at a good rate.

Overall, he looks like a DeAndre Jordan without the tenacity to me.  Even when Jordan sucked he still played with physicality and a bit of a mean streak, setting hard screens, being physical on the interior and trying to put defenders in hoops.  I don’t see that in Drummond.  I think building an offense around him would be a huge mistake because his IQ, scoring instincts and ability to read defenses are so low.  I think the hope with him is that he eventually becomes good defensively to complement his rebounding and he can become an anchor, but I have doubts about that too because his low IQ and instincts extend to that end too.  He has the type of game and athleticism to put up box score stats, while at the same time you can still question whether he’s actually good on either end.

 

[T Rex]

 Getting There: The Andre Drummond Story

 

 

 

 

[T Rex]

 Getting There: The Andre Drummond Story

 

 

 

 

[kobyzParticipant]

 Deandre and Javele hybrid 

[kobyzParticipant]

 Deandre and Javele hybrid 

[Status QuoParticipant]

I think he is going to be good for at least 16ppg, 13rb, and 2bpg next season. With increased touches, he should be able to gain an extra 3 points per game. If he can get the intangibles down, such as, passing out of the double team or finding cutters in the lane, that will be the true testament of his potential. He’s a willing passer, but is he a smart passer from the post(1.5 t/o per game), can he hit the right man spotting up? I think he can be, and a jump in the assist column from last year’s 0.5 to a number in the range of 2 to 2.5 assists can be huge for Detroit and Andre. The double team would become less of a weapon for the defense against him, if he can find shooters or cutters, opening the offense more, also giving him more opportunity to score in the post. At 22-23 years old, he has just as much room to improve and score more than 16ppg. A jump in his free throw percentage would also help, but that got touched upon alot in this thread. 

But…..

 How much do you pay him when his rookie scale contract is up? Do you give him Anthony Davis’ contract?  End of the day, Detroit HAS to pay him.

[Status QuoParticipant]

I think he is going to be good for at least 16ppg, 13rb, and 2bpg next season. With increased touches, he should be able to gain an extra 3 points per game. If he can get the intangibles down, such as, passing out of the double team or finding cutters in the lane, that will be the true testament of his potential. He’s a willing passer, but is he a smart passer from the post(1.5 t/o per game), can he hit the right man spotting up? I think he can be, and a jump in the assist column from last year’s 0.5 to a number in the range of 2 to 2.5 assists can be huge for Detroit and Andre. The double team would become less of a weapon for the defense against him, if he can find shooters or cutters, opening the offense more, also giving him more opportunity to score in the post. At 22-23 years old, he has just as much room to improve and score more than 16ppg. A jump in his free throw percentage would also help, but that got touched upon alot in this thread. 

But…..

 How much do you pay him when his rookie scale contract is up? Do you give him Anthony Davis’ contract?  End of the day, Detroit HAS to pay him.

[B-dizzle97Participant]

does anybody remember in 2k13 when Andre Drummond was  59 overall?! He has definitely exceeded all expectations when he came into the league. I see the Pistons turning into the 08-09 and 09-10 Magic. Andre Drummond will put up Dwight Howard-like numbers, while Reggie Jackson and Stanley Johnson playing a Jameer Nelson and Vince Carter like roles, respectively. They have the same coach as the Magic did and are going to be playing the 4 out 1 in. So to answer the question, I see Andre Drummond eventually filling a Dwight Howard-like role.

[B-dizzle97Participant]

does anybody remember in 2k13 when Andre Drummond was  59 overall?! He has definitely exceeded all expectations when he came into the league. I see the Pistons turning into the 08-09 and 09-10 Magic. Andre Drummond will put up Dwight Howard-like numbers, while Reggie Jackson and Stanley Johnson playing a Jameer Nelson and Vince Carter like roles, respectively. They have the same coach as the Magic did and are going to be playing the 4 out 1 in. So to answer the question, I see Andre Drummond eventually filling a Dwight Howard-like role.

[Rip255]

 I honestly think Big Banger Baynes is going to get a lot of Andre Drummonds minutes…especially in the 4th quarter.

How can you have this guy in the floor? 

It’s one thing to grab 15 boards throughout a game and put in a few big dunks..but games against good teams are decided in the 4th quarter and this guy will KILL you. 

Detroit fans should be more excited about Big Banger and his championship pedigree than Drummond. Most underrated player in the league…for now.

 

 

 

 

[Rip255]

 I honestly think Big Banger Baynes is going to get a lot of Andre Drummonds minutes…especially in the 4th quarter.

How can you have this guy in the floor? 

It’s one thing to grab 15 boards throughout a game and put in a few big dunks..but games against good teams are decided in the 4th quarter and this guy will KILL you. 

Detroit fans should be more excited about Big Banger and his championship pedigree than Drummond. Most underrated player in the league…for now.

 

 

 

 

[Malik-UniversalParticipant]

wtf are u talking about

how can u be seriouis

 

[Malik-UniversalParticipant]

wtf are u talking about

how can u be seriouis

 

[NBAjunkie81Participant]

 should actually scored even more now that Monroe – who does not block shots & although he is an excellent rebounder Drummond is off the charts at 13.5 reb per game, 1.9 blocks & a 51.4% FG%…. Detroit just completed their 7th consecutive Losing season – thay have been "Rebuilding" for a LONG time so I like the moves they made… Pope is a nice prospect, Jackson can be a consistent scorer & letting Smith & Monroe go was a good move for all sides…. Drummond may jump to a 20 pt, 15 reb & 2.5 blocks guy w/ 50+% FG% in 2016 and beyond – translated – he’s a Stud….. 

[NBAjunkie81Participant]

 should actually scored even more now that Monroe – who does not block shots & although he is an excellent rebounder Drummond is off the charts at 13.5 reb per game, 1.9 blocks & a 51.4% FG%…. Detroit just completed their 7th consecutive Losing season – thay have been "Rebuilding" for a LONG time so I like the moves they made… Pope is a nice prospect, Jackson can be a consistent scorer & letting Smith & Monroe go was a good move for all sides…. Drummond may jump to a 20 pt, 15 reb & 2.5 blocks guy w/ 50+% FG% in 2016 and beyond – translated – he’s a Stud….. 

[HitsterParticipant]

 Andre is an elite rebounder and blocker but his scoring potential is still untapped IMO. I like the Dwight Howard in Orlando comparisons although D12 was further ahead at a similar age. In SVG Andre has a good coach to try and help him develop but rather like D12 I don’t see Andre quite having the peak scoring power of the really elite big men.

Andre however can be a late teens career PPG scorer and with his rebounding and blocking he’ll be one of the best big men in the NBA going forward but not at the level that say Anthony Davis hopefully reaches.

 

[HitsterParticipant]

 Andre is an elite rebounder and blocker but his scoring potential is still untapped IMO. I like the Dwight Howard in Orlando comparisons although D12 was further ahead at a similar age. In SVG Andre has a good coach to try and help him develop but rather like D12 I don’t see Andre quite having the peak scoring power of the really elite big men.

Andre however can be a late teens career PPG scorer and with his rebounding and blocking he’ll be one of the best big men in the NBA going forward but not at the level that say Anthony Davis hopefully reaches.

 

[PulseGlazerParticipant]

 This board has always underrated Tyson Chandler style roll men and the effect they have on the W column.  Drummond will get his team to top 4 in the East within 3 seasons.

[PulseGlazerParticipant]

 This board has always underrated Tyson Chandler style roll men and the effect they have on the W column.  Drummond will get his team to top 4 in the East within 3 seasons.

[ExumInfernoParticipant]

 No Monroe so this should mean more minutes.  17 and 17 per game, 3 blocks, if the minutes go up his other numbers should too.  Obviously if his free throw shooting improves, and it probably doesn’t, that would mean more points and not getting taken out of games if other teams are fouling him.

The supporting cast, that is the question.  D Jordan has C Paul, D Howard has Harden, not sure R Jackson will be at that level although Jackson, Jennings, Blake and Dinwiddie can all pass the ball.

To play like Orlando, when they went to the finals with Howard, Detroit does need to improve outside shooting.  Prince, Singler, Butler and Jerebko were their best last year.  Ilyasova, Blake, Granger, R Bullock, the Pistons have some new players to put next to Meeks, KCP.

At the Magic, Dwight Howard did have seasons with 38 minutes per game.  The same coach should be getting Drummond up to that minutes level, although maybe gradually getting there over the next 2 or 3 seasons, and if Drummond does that he should have plenty of 20-20 games.  For the Pistons to be great again, they need to get a draft steal or sign a superstar player.  Not sure too many Detroit-area free agent stars will appear, Draymond didn’t try to get back to Michigan.

For a prediction, I expect a game of 30 rebounds from him soon.  Also, a game of 20 free throw attempts.

 

 

 

 

[ExumInfernoParticipant]

 No Monroe so this should mean more minutes.  17 and 17 per game, 3 blocks, if the minutes go up his other numbers should too.  Obviously if his free throw shooting improves, and it probably doesn’t, that would mean more points and not getting taken out of games if other teams are fouling him.

The supporting cast, that is the question.  D Jordan has C Paul, D Howard has Harden, not sure R Jackson will be at that level although Jackson, Jennings, Blake and Dinwiddie can all pass the ball.

To play like Orlando, when they went to the finals with Howard, Detroit does need to improve outside shooting.  Prince, Singler, Butler and Jerebko were their best last year.  Ilyasova, Blake, Granger, R Bullock, the Pistons have some new players to put next to Meeks, KCP.

At the Magic, Dwight Howard did have seasons with 38 minutes per game.  The same coach should be getting Drummond up to that minutes level, although maybe gradually getting there over the next 2 or 3 seasons, and if Drummond does that he should have plenty of 20-20 games.  For the Pistons to be great again, they need to get a draft steal or sign a superstar player.  Not sure too many Detroit-area free agent stars will appear, Draymond didn’t try to get back to Michigan.

For a prediction, I expect a game of 30 rebounds from him soon.  Also, a game of 20 free throw attempts.

 

 

 

 

[King CaluchaParticipant]

 He could be DeAndre 2.0. There are small differences. Drummond has better lateral quickness while Jordan is a better rim protector. Unlike Jordan, I think Drummond can actually develop a bit of touch from 8-12ft, but he’s never going to be great.

[King CaluchaParticipant]

 He could be DeAndre 2.0. There are small differences. Drummond has better lateral quickness while Jordan is a better rim protector. Unlike Jordan, I think Drummond can actually develop a bit of touch from 8-12ft, but he’s never going to be great.

[GrandmamaParticipant]

 Seems like his ceiling is 18/15/3, becoming the best rebounder in the game and a defensive monster.  Most of his points will always come on putbacks and dunks.

[GrandmamaParticipant]

 Seems like his ceiling is 18/15/3, becoming the best rebounder in the game and a defensive monster.  Most of his points will always come on putbacks and dunks.

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