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Hip Hop Discussion

I dont know how many of you guys follow hip hop or actually know what it is (most people dont) but what do you consider hip hop? have you guys listened to jay electronica or j. cole, or nujabes? and what is your perception of hip hop? it seems a lot of people's perception has been skewed because, quite frankly, the stuff you hear nowadays thats considered to be hip hop is far from that. hip hop was originally emcees telling stories of their lives, whether it considered of speaking of doing dirt on the streets, selling crack, cocaine etc. and lastly, what do you think the difference is between hip hop and rap? sorry to make it sound like an essay question lol


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Whether you like it or not

Whether you like it or not its still hip hop it just evovled like basketball is still basketball the game just changed

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Soulja Boy = Rap Lupe Fiasco

Soulja Boy = Rap

Lupe Fiasco = Hip-Hop

There aren't too many true hip-hop artists left in my opinion. There are just a bunch of artists that have dumbed down their lyrics to be more mainstream and get their songs played in the club/on the radio... Trying to make more money.

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unfortuantely its not... you

unfortuantely its not... you cant stray off topic so far and then think its still called hip hop. its like if basketball "evolved" to the point where it was played without dribbling, and then you were given elbow pads, knee pads, a helmet etc and then say its "evolved" and still basketball. to the ignorant person, it may still be called basketball but in reality its not.

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hip hop are artists like

hip hop are artists like ashanti,mary j blige,usher...rappers like lil wayne,kanye or jay z..but both genres are starting to merge and working together so often...

i'm just a little happy..that there arent many gangster rapper spewing that crap to little kids..i'm not going to lie..i love listening to gangster rap...but no matter what parents do or say kids will hear it somewhere....

i mean you can hear little 5 year old girls singing rihanna's song ''come here rudeboy'' can you get it up? are you big enuff''? and they have no idea what they're saying..

or little 8 year old boys talking about getting their mack-10 and busting a cap in someone....

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great point indiana

great point indiana basketball... i remember a couple years ago on 106 & park they asked soulja boy what it felt like to be the "new face of hip-hop" which goes to show that the perception of what it actually is is so off its not even funny. people watch and believe what they see on tv no matter how dumb it is and just ride along with it to afraid to form their own opinions which leads to most of the new guys we hear today

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Is Lil Wayne really hip-hop?

Is Lil Wayne really hip-hop? The dude can't stay on subject for one bar. All he does is say a bunch of punch lines repeatedly.

And Jay-Z dumbed down to double his dollars a long time ago. I guess he's still hip-hop, but he's watered down...

And Kanye... I don't know what he is... He'd might as well be pop.

I don't have a problem with any of it though.

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Ashanti, Mary J Blige and

Ashanti, Mary J Blige and Usher are R&B artist, possibly even pop.

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I think R&B and rap are

I think R&B and rap are starting to merge.

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rap and r&b are kind of

rap and r&b are kind of merging. you have guys like drake rapping and then trey songz doing the hook so yes kind of. but then again the hooks that are done on those kinds of songs arent true r&b songs. lil wayne is awful (bring the negatives if you like) i could stand him before he got strung out on all the stuff hes strung out on. i think hes always been rap, every so often he'd kind of venture into hip hop (hustla muzik, receipt etc) but hes always been mostly rap. i consider rap to be money, hoes clothes and for the last like 5-6 years thats all lil wayne has rapped about. i used to be a huge jay z fan but hes trying too hard to stay relevant and its really rubbed me the wrong way

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I think the creativity is

I think the creativity is starting to dwindle. Everything is basically being recycled and just done in slightly different ways. Even beats.

It seems like everybody is talking about drinking (especially Trey Songz and T-Pain), stealing your girl (Trey Songz), hoes, cars, drugs (Jeezy) and clothes... It's getting old. That's why I like Lupe Fiasco. He's creative, while having good lyrics and production.

And a lot of songs are just about the beats and hooks.

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the comment about creativity

the comment about creativity is on point... the hooks are whats important to everyone so now everyone makes a hook thats catchy and easy to remember and thats what sells. most all music is party music now and all everyone talks about is drinking and smoking... a perfect example would be that lil jon song where the hook is literally:

"SHOTS, SHOTS, SHOTS!!!"

how creative right?

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and whoever gives me a

and whoever gives me a negative for every post i put up, come out of the closet and post something so we can discuss it rather than hide and just give a bunch of negatives... dont be afraid to sound ignorant

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Wiz Khalifa Lupe Kanye Kid

Wiz Khalifa

Lupe

Kanye

Kid Cudi (old stuff)

Young Jeezy

Gucci Mane

Jody Breeze

This is what i mainly listen to. I have no idea what you wanna put under what catergory. Im more concerned with the music being quality and stuff i want to listen to more than if the subject is hitting something important or what genre its under.

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Hip Hop vs. Rap

I always state that I am eclectic, but my favorite genre is hip hop. But, the lines are truly blurred, with almost any emcee. Truly, hip hop is a culture with the pillars being eMCing (rapping), DJing (beats), break dancing and graffiti. These are the four elements, of which get categorized by many into Rap music. The difference? Really, it is all how you see it. I see hip hop as being slightly more conscious, maybe even being more insightful and introspective about life experiences. But, their are some MC's who definitely make "rap" tracks and vice versa. When I think of Hip Hop, I find KRS-One to be an ambassador, though I know many find him to preachy and almost abrasive towards what he does and does not consider hip hop. But, I find I agree with a lot of what he says regarding hip hop, and I feel he really breaks down the difference quite well.

My advice is, you know what you like, you know what you do not, so just categorize it as that. People will like a lot of different music, and more than likely, there are some hip hop artists or songs you do not dig, and there might be a tune by a rapper you like. I think ultimately rap tends to play to the pop charts, it tends to go over the same thing and maybe talks about topics or have structure that you (and I) might find ridiculous or banal. Well, it will keep being made, and a lot of people will keep liking it, to dance too or just because they like the hook or beat or a dirty word that is said. Hip hop is in some ways a mind state and involves a lot of things, but tight lyricism and beats usually gain or acclaim and is what those of us who are into hip hop seek. A great flow, excellent production and mindful lyrics filled with metaphor, similes and punchlines tend to be the norm for followers of hip hop, as well as in many cases lyrics involving issues and street life. Either way, it gets really old when you just rip on someone's taste of music rather than explaining to them why you choose yours. Be more of a teacher than a preacher, and just because you do not like it, it does not mean that you are hating. But, there is no need to harp on it, if someone likes rap more than hip hop, that is really there choice, and in the end I feel you will probably find more rap fans than hip hop fans.

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That was well said. I listen

That was well said.

I listen to every kind of music. It honestly just depends on the day, mood, etc.

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To sum it all up, Hip Hop is

To sum it all up,

Hip Hop is dying because of fake artists on the scene now and the stupid people (most of who are followers and can't tell real music from fake music and can't make decisions for themselves) love off these so called music artists and just these artists because all the cool kids like them. What is "Taylor Gang or Die"? Promoting kids to smoke weed and making it seem like it's cool. It's just this whole mainstream ordeal and artists are forced to rap/sing about things.

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well put mikeyvthedon i try

well put mikeyvthedon

i try not to put down what people call 'new' hip hop but i feel its a mockery of what it was supposed to be. there are definitely more rap fans than hip hop fans because rap songs consist of topics that are easier to comprehend such as the glitz and glamor of being an artist making money whereas hip hop consists of topics that require (in some cases) for you to engage your mind in the lyrics and appreciate the rhyme schemes/rhythmical patterns involved in creating the track and most people dont want to pay that much attention which is fine, i just dont like it when people categorize things into the wrong category, and then argue a point that is very much invalid based solely on the popular opinion people have formulated especially with the new age guys

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I'm sorry Wiz Khalifa is

I'm sorry Wiz Khalifa is lame.

I'm saying this and im DEAD SERIOUS: Diggy Simmons is doing work in the hip hop game. He's doing work. Him, Jay Z and J. Cole for me in rotation right nwo

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"I got a call from my

"I got a call from my jewler... This just in... The girls love me cuz I'm sleepin' w/ they best friend." - Wiz Khalifia lol.

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wiz khalifa is awful... he

wiz khalifa is awful... he appeals to all the people that like to smoke weed 24-7 (which seems to be everyone now)... thats all he talks about. his lyrics are weak and hes just terrible. listen to black and yellow by him and youll get all you need to know about the guy

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Those lyrics above are from

Those lyrics above are from Black and Yellow lol. Awful. The song is awful... The beat is just nice and the chorus is catchy.

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i cant take diggy simmons

i cant take diggy simmons seriously... maybe its cuz he hasnt hit puberty yet.

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He said he wanted the song to

He said he wanted the song to be the national anthem for the Pittsburgh Steelers, but it has absolutely nothing to do with football.

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the black and yellow is

the black and yellow is supposed to refer to the steelers and someone told me that in the music video that everyone is waving around the terrible towels that the steelers have patented... i havent listened to it and i dont intend to. ive heard bits and pieces of his songs and i prefer not to kill valuable brain cells at this point in time

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One thing

People need to take a look at "freestyling ability". The artist or person who is doing it are the only people who know whether they are freestyling or not, but it takes work and time, or in the cases of some, incredible talent to be a freestyle artist. There are many different types of freestyle, but one thing I do not get is reading lyrics off of your blackberry and calling it a freestyle. Drake and Wiz Khalifa have both done this, and while I know they have a ton of fans, I think even their fans know that when you are reading off of a teleprompter, it is not coming up with something on the spot.

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As i expected, me putting

As i expected, me putting Khalifa in there lead to a "Black and Yellow" discussion, which isnt even one of his 100 best songs. But hey, thats what get when you get people who dont know what they are talking about.

And yes, he talks about smoking weed. But where all these deep lyrics that you all are talking about?

Eminem still trying to make us thinks his life blows because he had a daughter in a crappy relationship and was addicted to vicodin ? you are still makings MILLIONS of dollars. yes, eminem, your life does suck.

The last time rap had lyrics that meant something was the mid 90s when dudes were actually getting killed because of rap songs and rivalries. Dont give me this "All he raps about is smoking weed and women" because there is not one "hip hop" or "rap" artist out there right now that raps about anything relevant.

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yeah... freestyling has

yeah... freestyling has definitely been misunderstood. people have claimed to freestyle when its obvious they havent. jay z said he never wrote anything and although i like jay z's older stuff, i dont believe it for a second. lil wayne said in A Millie:

".... from the tablet in mind mind cuz i dont write sh!t cuz i aint got time"

please...

i think eminem is one of the few rappers that can do EVERYTHING well. he can freestyle, battle rap all of the different aspects as good as ive ever seen.

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I respect Wiz....but he ain't

I respect Wiz....but he ain't in my top 10. Eminem is alright for me. Just alright. I think Wale made alot of noise in 2010.

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Freestyling is another lost

Freestyling is another lost art. Thats why i listen to Jody Breeze, he tries to keep it real as much as possible but at this point its not even worth it anymore.

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sorry urbanovreeverything

sorry urbanovreeverything that talking about wiz khalifas insufficiencies as a hip hop artist and lack of substance in his lyrics has touched a soft spot. he is no good. and dont ever compare wiz khalifa to eminem ever please. it makes me want to discredit anything you have to say on this topic. i appreciate your determination to say what you please regardless of what everyone else is saying but come on man. and if you listen to what eminem raps about now, its not about his daughter or a crappy life anymore. its about how hes realized the importance he has to rap and hip hop and how hes embraced that, plans to be as good a father as he can be and rap his ass off until he cant anymore. so please do some homework before you go into a fight blindly

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Eminem

He is very versatile, and his battle rhyming is awesome. Plus, he kills freestyle competitions, but I honestly believe his life is making lyrics and doing things of this sort. I used to think he was a prolific writer, which he is, along with many other skilled writers who help make him Eminem. I think a lot of these guys have teams. Jay-Z is a person I think is incredibly talented at making songs, and I do feel most of what he says is true about not writing things down. But, the guy is an incredible visual thinker, and must say things over and over again to himself. Biggie much in the same way. These guys are good at what they do, and are taught and come up with methods. Practice is something you have to do to become great at anything, and these guys do it constantly or they do not stay where they are.

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wale is like a very VERY poor

wale is like a very VERY poor mans/homeless mans common (in my eyes) in the sense that he is poetic but its nowhere near as good as common ever was or is now. i tried liking him, even bought his album Attention Defecit but he roams from trying to be poetic to being overbearingly mainstream. i cant like him, but im sure there are people that feel him

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LOL, whats hilarious is how

LOL, whats hilarious is how you stated a bunch of stuff as if it was FACT. Music, unlike sports is almost totally opinion. Its what appeals to you. maybe you should have done your homework on that. a FACT would be:

Eminem is a much more successful artist than Wiz Khalifa.

This is unarguable. You are trying to argue arguable points as facts. Freestyling and sound depth are not facts. I dont like Eminem as a rapper. Does that mean he isnt good? ofcourse not, the general public has seen him as one of, if not the most successful hip hop artists of alltime. I just dont like it. If you do, thats fine. I dont rip on who you like, because thats your entitlement. Music is all about what you like, not whats better than what.

Michael Jackson was BY FAR the most successful musician of the past 30 years. Does that mean he is my favorite artist? No, definitely not. Can i admit he was great at what he did? yes i can. Its just not for me. Dont hate on other peoples tastes. Im not a fly by night Wiz fan that heard black and yellow on the radio and started listening to stuff. I have been listening to this guy for 3 years now and have heard all of his mixtapes. I like it. If you dont, more power to you.

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like i said, the forum i

like i said, the forum i started was talking about hip hop and what it actually is, then it got on the subject of how there are guys who claim to be hip hop and arent and are fake and myself along with others said wiz khalifa falls into the fake category. i say all these things in reference to hip hop. he isnt hip hop and i pointed out all of what i believe to be as weaknesses for him as an emcee. if you like him great. i try not to be so judgemental but i cant help it. if he didnt claim himself to be hip hop then we wouldnt be having this argument. thats all im saying

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like i said, the forum i

like i said, the forum i started was talking about hip hop and what it actually is, then it got on the subject of how there are guys who claim to be hip hop and arent and are fake and myself along with others said wiz khalifa falls into the fake category. i say all these things in reference to hip hop. he isnt hip hop and i pointed out all of what i believe to be as weaknesses for him as an emcee. if you like him great. i try not to be so judgemental but i cant help it. if he didnt claim himself to be hip hop then we wouldnt be having this argument. thats all im saying

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Actually, i brought up

Actually, i brought up Khalifa, saying, like the artists i enjoy that really genre isnt important, if its what you like. Whats left of hip hop? a couple of has beens and a few young kids with potential who will probably mess it up when they get big anyway. Dont try to make music into something its not. The days of Biggie and Pac are long over. The hip hop industry is what it is. If it has morphed into rap, so be it.

And another fallacy in this argument is "claiming to be hip hop" Who claims to be hip hop? because they go out there, spit, and get famous? I dont see any direct quotes from any of the forementioned "fakers" Khalifa, Drake (whom i hate, but is still good at what he does), and the others where they are saying "Im hip hop".

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"Whether you like it or not

"Whether you like it or not its still hip hop it just evovled like basketball is still basketball the game just changed"

"Soulja Boy = Rap

Lupe Fiasco = Hip-Hop

There aren't too many true hip-hop artists left in my opinion. There are just a bunch of artists that have dumbed down their lyrics to be more mainstream and get their songs played in the club/on the radio... Trying to make more money."

These were good points. And i understand the basis of you starting this discussion, but you failed in the fact that you turned it from a "what is hip hop and whats the difference" argument into a "this is what is good, and this is what isnt, in my opinion".

Hip Hop and Rap arent the same: FACT

Hip Hop is better than rap: FICTION

Its all tastes. Like all music. Im sure someone on this website listens to Metallica and Iron Maiden before they go to bed. And i have no problem with that.

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J. Cole is the truth

J. Cole is the truth

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wiz khalifa isnt as bad as

wiz khalifa isnt as bad as drake in the sense of claiming to be hip hop... drake however claims to be everything and be the sh!t at it. i cant stand drake either. i guess its more of the fans of guys like wiz khalifa that call him hip hop and he just rides it out because his fans say it and it keeps them happy. my opinions are solely based from a hip hop point of view so when i say he sucks its from the hip hop point of view. as far as rap is concerned hes great, although i think rap is an industry where its a little easier to be successful because you just have to come up with some catchy bar and hooks to make it. whereas hip hop fanatics such as myself are very opinionated on what is good and what isnt so its harder to make it as a hip hop artist.

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wiz khalifa isnt as bad as

wiz khalifa isnt as bad as drake in the sense of claiming to be hip hop... drake however claims to be everything and be the sh!t at it. i cant stand drake either. i guess its more of the fans of guys like wiz khalifa that call him hip hop and he just rides it out because his fans say it and it keeps them happy. my opinions are solely based from a hip hop point of view so when i say he sucks its from the hip hop point of view. as far as rap is concerned hes great, although i think rap is an industry where its a little easier to be successful because you just have to come up with some catchy bar and hooks to make it. whereas hip hop fanatics such as myself are very opinionated on what is good and what isnt so its harder to make it as a hip hop artist.

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I want to preach to yall

I want to preach to yall about Lil B...but i already know how many points i would lose...and anyway...yall aint even ready for him.

#BASED

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drake was cool at first ..

drake was cool at first .. but all of his songs sound kind of similar because he has the same flow on every song .. he doesnt switch it up at all

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"No keys..... push to start"

That's deep isn't it?

On another note, did anybody see Gucci Mane's tattoo? It's probably the stupidest tattoo I've ever seen. This is my point, stupid rapper attract stupid peope.... and there a lot of stupid people in the world. You are the company you keep.

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Drake is actually pretty good

Drake is actually pretty good especially his early stuff before he was actually famous and nicki minaj is good too when she isn't making her weird faces.

But I'm confused I though artists like Tupac and Biggie were rap artists and Soulja Boy was hip-hop more of a pop style I guess I just got it backwards

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Definition

Rap is 75% of the word crap.

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And you are 100% of the word jerk.

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haha

Well it was a joke, and sorry i didnt put my reference, i cited it from urbandictionary.com lol

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Is hip hop. In the best way possible.

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Diggy Simmons

I was, and still am, highly sceptical. But, one of his mixtapes was hosted by DJ Premier, who you can see in one of those videos he did for his "Freestyles". Say whatever you want about whether they are truly freestyles, he seems to be getting a huge following, and anything Premier touches, I have to at least take some notice. To me, Premo is all that is hip hop and my favorite producer bar none, and even if this kid paid him mega bucks to make a mix tape, he or his record company obviously know what they are doing. I think he is being marketed very well, in not only gaining pop ability (which is easy seeing that he was on MTV since he was a little kid), but getting, what I will call great personnel around him as well. Of course his dad helped, whether it was directly or indirectly, and who knows if he has a ghost writer, in many ways who cares. One thing is, they talk about how he has become more famous than his older brother, who also wanted to be an MC. Well, let me put it this way, Diggy is lucky he looks like his mom. No way teen girls are going to be all over his older brother they way they will be all over this kid. I mean, he is not blessing these tracks as they were blessed originally, but he has links to hip hop royalty and I would not doubt that he will become a lot more successful. Plus, Premo's sample on that "Digg is Like" thing over the "Nas is Like" beat, "and I'm the diggy, diggy", Premier is ill.

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