Harrison Barnes proving he's worthy...
If you haven't noticed lately....Harrison Barnes has arrived! While having one of the more dissapointing debuts to memory, Barnes is finally starting to put it all together.
Last three games: 22.6ppg, 7.1 rpg, 26-46fg, 9-20 3fg, 8-9ft, 0.6 tpg.
Those numbers are in only about 26 mpg which is right around his season average. Impressive is the fact that he is playing the same ammount of minutes, yet his numbers have been steadily going up accross the board. One thing he needs to do is make it a point to cut down on his 3 point attempts and start getting to the basket more. While his 3 free throw attempts per game is some what decent, he could easily be averaging more like 7 or 8 if he put his mind to it. Also impressive is the fact that right when most were ready to write him off, he has responded by being prospect that many believed he was going into the season. Coincidence?
If he continues even near this pace and leads UNC to the Sweet 16-ish range, Harrison Barnes should no question be once again considered a top 5 prospect on GM's boards.
Here is my top 5 prospects for the upcoming draft:
1. Jared Sullinger / PF Ohio State - You can't teach passion and pure body strength, and this guy brings an unstoppable combination of both nightly. While he may not the most athletic guy around, he's still above average. If a team is looking to have a 20-10 guy for the next few years, look no further.
2. Kyrie Irving / PG Duke - Injury concerns. Check. Good but not great athlete. Check. Top 10 PG in the NBA within the next 5 years. Check.
3. Harrison Barnes / SF UNC - While yes the adjustment period will scare some teams off, it will pale in comparison to what he'll do for the next 10-15 years. He will never be a number 1 option on a winning team, but who else in this draft is? With teams starting to realize the importance of having a very good 2nd and 3rd option to win it all, a GM will hopefully realize that he's the best player available to fill that role. Given the right situation, Barnes could very well be a 3rd option on a very good team.
4. Derrick Williams / PF Arizona - No player this year has made a bigger jump stock-wise than Williams. His rapid improvement is turning heads everywhere and given the strength of this years draft, hes the perfect balance of potential and proven production.
5. Enes Kanter / PF Turkey - Why you ask?... Because if it weren't for his eligibility issues, Kanter would have been hands down one of the top 3 big men in College Basketball. Yes, you read that right. Its not just his outstanding skill set or physical attributes that catch your eye, it's his motor and his love for initiating contact that stands out the most. Think the motivated version of Zach Randolph minus the mental lapses. I think that version went to the all-star game last year if i'm correct.
if three good games are enough to you to put Harrison in top3 how in the world something like 10plus good games from Perry Jones who arguably has more potential aren't enough even for top5???
Message to all those who jumped off the Barnes bandwagon....stay off!!!
I hear where your coming from. But it's not just the three good games, its the fact that if you watch him he looks alot more like the Harrison Barnes that we expected. I'm not saying he wont have any more struggles this year, but I guarantee the the player you see now is alot closer to who he is than the player we saw at the start of the season. Perry Jones is good, but 6rpg and 1 block for someone standing 6'11" is a major red flag to me. I'm pulling for P-Jones as he would've been my number 6 rated prospect, but he has too many holes at this point for me to move him into my top 5 as of yet.
Well I was never on the Barnes bandwagon, so I'll just watch how it rolls on.
The Problem with Perry is Passion and consistency...Barnes will undeniably go top 5 this year...As will Perry and Kyrie...its those other 2 spots that are up for grabs, yes Sullinger has been a monster but is he Elton Brand 2.o or the next Rodney Rogers...
You can't teach passion
Passion also doesnt matter. You cant win with passion, it only makes you likable.
but still..i like Harrison but he played only 3games on the level he should have played all 30 while before the season people were saying the stuff like "Harrison is good but Perry is just too freakish in potential, he needs just to show some signs and he can be #1" well OK four 20point game in 5 in BIG12 play and 27 in last game are really "some signs" Harrison can rise IF he will play at least close to it in every upcoming game..but as for now i just see Perry as a better nba prospect pretty easily
I havent changed anything since the preseason, im sticking to it:
1. Kyrie Irving
2. Perry Jones
3. Harrison Barnes
Most scouts now have Sullinger as the number one pick( already put a espn insider post on that on here) what has really helped him is Kevin Love because his game is alot like his except he is a better defender and better overall motor( offense and defense)
If i had to say one bad thing about barnes is he doesn't drive enough, he relies to much on his jump shot instead of mixing it up
It was a shooting slump. There is nothing about his game that has changed other than he is now hitting the same shots he was missing in December. It was a big deal when he was really bad for four or five out of ten games, but over twenty and probably upwards of forty games it isn't a big deal. A lot of people went back and tried to imagine flaws in his game to explain why, but the reality was that he just missed shots. Guess what, Ray Allen had obits written about his career when he missed shots for a seven game stretch too, and he is still knocking shots down with the best of them. Kemba Walker was Allen Iverson for a seven game stretch, and I'm pretty sure there were people who called Hassan Whiteside the next Dwight Howard for what he did to poor NAIA schools needing a DI opponent for a pay day. It was an overreaction in all cases. Barnes is now finding his rhythm with his team, and there is little reason to believe that he won't continue to get better now that he is comfortable.
"if three good games are enough to you to put Harrison in top3 how in the world something like 10plus good games from Perry Jones who arguably has more potential aren't enough even for top5???"
If you think it has just been three good games (which is flat wrong), then what is your assessment of Kyrie Irving who basically built his draft reputation with two good games against the two teams (Michigan State and Kansas State) that have been among the biggest disappointments in the country? I'd also argue about Perry Jones that he has showed himself to be a very effective 6'11" college 5 whose length is nearly unguardable in the paint on that level, but was billed as a 6'11" small foward. That is a big difference.
If i was the coach i would pick Perry first becaus ei know i could get him to work hard all the time( got some lazy players on D.C Assult to play hard all the time when i was the assistant coach). If it didn't work with Perry then i would probably be fired for passing on Sullinger and Irving
Perry has been unimpressive at times and honestly, this is similar to Anthony Randolph's LSU season where that team had a underachiving season and Randolph put up great numbers then was considered a top 5 pick. Jones is more of a small forward to me, but he has limited range and a average rebounder from what I seen.
If I had the first pick and the toe checked out, I'm taking Kyrie Irving. Barnes is moving up, but he's a clear small forward and the slump scared me a bit, but he's my second choice because I feel he's gonna have a Brandon Roy like arc in his first 5 seasons.
Barnes has really started to come on as of late. I though he was a bit overrated coming out of HS, but I thought he would have a good NCAA career. He really dissapointed st the beginning, but he was still adjusting to life in the NCAA, and I think he has finally gotten the hang of it because he's been playing great so far in conference play. I agree with you that he should be getting to the line more though. I think he'll be a good 2nd or 3rd option in the NBA.
But how can you have have P. Jones in your top 5? He's been putting up better numbers the Barnes, plus he has more room for growth then Barnes. He's been really playing well as of late, and would be scoring more if LaceDarius Dunn wasn't such a ballhog.
And I have Enes Kanter ahead of Sullinger on my big board. He plays the same way as Sullinger w/o the weight issues and is taller. He dominated Sullinger in the Nike Hoop Summit. If he was eligible, I don't think he would have as many question marks and people would see why I have him ahead of Sullinger.
My top 5 looks like this:
1. Kyrie Irving
2. Perry Jones
3. Enes Kanter
4. Jared Sullinger
5. Harrison Barnes
Both Teams, I feel u on that statement of Irving building his draft stock on 2 good games, the fact people think the gap between He and Brandon Knight or Jimmer Fredette is some huge distance is hilarious and i joke all the time about it...why would I draft Kyrie with a top 5 pick when I can trade down for Knight or Fredette in the mid to late lottery...i know Irving has the hype and Teams like The Kings, Raptors and Nets need a franchise point guard but is an injured point guard really worth a top 5 when he's only played a handful of games...I'd trade back to take Knight or Fredette and pick up another piece or two in the process, Irving is a great prospect but he's no Rose or Wall...I'm tired of people punishing Knight for not living up to peoples standards for a Calipari point guard...when are we going to punish Irving for missing most his season nursing a toe injury...
When its all st and done Jonas Valanciuns will be a top 5 pick...
To tell the truth about Barnes.....the shots he's been missing at the beginning of the year is the same shots hes making now thats all....same amount of shots and the same type of shots...nothing about his game has change thus far....i still want to see him attack the rim.
i said my opinion about Perry already so i don't want to repeat but there is another Jones i see you underrating...no one has him as a top5 pick?? he also had a couple(actually pretty much) good or even amazing games and he has all the tools.
What can Terrenece JOnes do on an NBA court. Dribble to the left?
I think Sullinger falls out the top 5 by the time the draft is over, it will sound crazy posting that on this site but I see a ton of red flags being brought up when he measures out and performs against other nba talents ...I don't think he has a better shot to make it then Derrick Williams, Trey Thompkins or Enes Kanter...that's not mentioning the Jones boys( both can play Pf in the league) or the three headed euro prospects Jonas, Donatas and Vessely, Guys like Jajuan Johnson could he better at the next level...just saying...if he's 6'6 and 270 pounds after he's measured out at the combine his stock will plummet...
Terrence can outmuscle almost any sf and be a mismatch for pf..his rebounding and even shot blocking in nba ready for pf and he is 240pounds while also he has really nice hands to become a pretty good shooting and ball hadling 6'9 big small forward..
Terrence Jones has struggled to score efficiently against teams that aren't overwhelmed by a 6'7 240 forward (i.e. most major conference teams who have any sort of success). It wasn't just last night, it has been consistent throughout the year. He also can't shoot from the perimeter, and there aren't very many small forwards who can't shoot that find success. He isn't a power forward in the NBA. He has a big wingspan, but is rather short. He would be a rather easy guard as most power forwards will have both length and strength on him, and until he learns to shoot defenders won't have to step out and guard him tightly on the perimeter.
but he plays full time PF that's why he struggles against big teams..and saying he hasn't a jumpshot isn't true, if we can draft Aminu in top8 or even a guard like Tyreke with #4 i think we can Terrence too because at same stage he definitely shoots better than both..
BTW here we go again Barnes with 9 points and really doesn't look like better than Perry
I always felt from seeing him play in high school..that he'll be an all star..but not a 1st option or franchise type nba player
I just finished watching that game after recording it, and the thing that was frustrating me most was that Barnes wasn't getting enough touches. He was making good plays, but he simply didn't have the ball enough to contribute effectively. Marshall got a little trigger happy, and they waited too long to get Harrison going, he had cooled off by the time he was given another look. Yes, Singler played good ball-denial D, but Barnes was open a number of times and passed up. I could see Barnes was getting irritated with it too. That said, he played great D all night, severely limiting Singler's opportunities, but unfortunately didn't get enough chances against Duke.
"That said, he played great D all night, severely limiting Singler's opportunities, but unfortunately didn't get enough chances against Duke."
Some team is going to draft Kyle Singler with the hopes of getting a small forward, and they'll soon realize he is a thin, undersized power forward.
"but he plays full time PF that's why he struggles against big teams..and saying he hasn't a jumpshot isn't true, if we can draft Aminu in top8 or even a guard like Tyreke with #4 i think we can Terrence too because at same stage he definitely shoots better than both.."
Kentucky has played eleven teams currently in the RPI 100, and Jones is shooting 39.9 percent from the field and 20 percent from three in those games. He is 43 percent and 32 percent in SEC games. Aminu had a similar profile last year, and is a 40 percent shooter who consistently loses minutes against any team with a defensive thought. He wouldn't see the floor at all if it wasn't a Clipper caliber team. I don't get why you think a team recreating that same mistake would be a good thing. Jones is a guy who needs to become a much more polished offensive player before he will be a guy worthy of a lottery pick and/or minutes in the NBA. If he wants to develop in the NBA, that is fine. If he works things out at Kentucky, that is fine as well. Being a shot happy primary option doesn't mean a ton in terms of transitioning to the NBA. If that was the case, then the Luke Harangody fan club wouldn't be dormant.
but he is far more versitile than Aminu..like 30pounds stronger and still far better ball hadler and he seems to have better touch shooting the ball so i don't see any problems for him to become at least a decent jump shooter, add that he is better playmaker and he post up some smaller sfs and you really have a very good prospect...worthy of a lottery pick?? c'mon i see the reason to put him out of top5 but you are going far to hard on him man
Who's 30 pounds stronger?..Barnes is 210 Aminu was 215 at Wake Forrest and is 215-220 now
we are talking about Terrence Jones in recent posts
I was thinking that's who you were talking about but i wasn't sure.