It honestly still boggles my mind how this guy fell as far as he did on draft night. Yes it was a stacked draft with a lot of top shelf talent but my big board went AD, Drummond, Barnes. He had a great semi-break out in the playoffs last year and everybody is aware of his potential as a 2nd/3rd option, do-everything kind of guy (that mould of player rarely comes with his astonishing athleticism though). But for me what really sets him apart is his demeanour. Every interview he is eloquent and thoughtful in his answers, he always speaks about team needs, (though not sounding like he's regurgitating a script as some do) and just seems to be the model sports-professional.
Even just looking at the way he approached the USA mini-camp (interview with DA) he just seems like exactly the hungry but level-headed guy you want in your locker room, rarely do you get that attitude to go with the potential, especially the way young stars are blown up in the media these days.
A lot of talk on this (and other) forums is about potential; can he be a star? a glue-guy? a 2nd option? 1x, 2x, 3x, perennial all-star? It's incredibly subjective speculation really when you consider all the factors, but to take the words from Barnes mouth - he will do what it takes, apply himself with focus however he can to help you win. GSW have a great team and I think are going to make serious noise this year (not that they didn't last year).
he's definitely going to be a very nice 2nd option for the team in the future, just because of all the young talent there is on the team. I feel like he has way more potential, and will soon pass up klay as well. Probably a 3x all star in the future, and a great character player that every team would want in the locker room. I also heard that he bulked up quite a bit this off-season, about 10-15 pounds, which would make he around 225-230 and maybe more by the time season starts. He's also been working heavily on defense, and has been getting some rebounding help from faried in the USA camp. With that said, with his new strength and weight, rebounding improvements, and defense, along with his elite-like athleticism and size, hopefully he could become a Larry Johnson-esque type of player for us, maybe add a post game just to complete his offense. He's gonna be a great sixth man this year
Spot on on the bulk he's added, I think with Iggy in the fold he'll spend more time at the 4 in small-ball line ups to make up for the minutes he'll miss at SF. Really this team will I think head in the more 'organic' team dynamics the Heat play in terms of position-less B-ball. Obviously Lee and Bogut will still be near the basket but the versatility of the rest (Curry, Klay, Barnes, Iggy) is pretty unreal.
Agreed about him seeing some time as a 4. Especially with losing Landry. Speights as a back up 5 I think more than back up 4.
justinc, you think Harrison will be the 6th man? That's what I thought too when they first got Iggy, but the more I think about it, it seems like Klay would fit nice in a 6th man role. Definitely a nice wing rotation either way.
Golden State is going to be awesome to watch and it will be interesting to see how he performs coming off the bench which is something he has never done. He was great at the 4 in the playoffs taking bigger slower players off the dribble so it is a good move to put on some weight because he will see more minutes their this year. Barnes actually had twice as many 20 point games in the playoffs than he did all season long. Opposing defenses might have their 4s guard Iggy in that situation and play off him and make him hit a jumpshot because Barnes is the better shooter of the two. They will be very versatile and tough in the open court as well.
If Lee and Bogut stay healthy I could see the Warriors as a darkhorse team coming out of the West.
What happened was, he was so overrated coming out of high school that people (myself included) slept on him and he became the most underrated guy on draft night.
So much talent I can't wait to see how much he improves this year
Barnes natural instincts (level of assertiveness) and demeanor remind me of Jeff Green. All the talent and tools necessary to be great but something about his makeup limits his ceiling.
This is the reason why I was not high on him at all before his draft. However,I believe his aggressiveness and demeanor have changed from his days in HS and at NC. Throughout the season and in his first playoff appearance he showed a level of play and assertiveness that I had not seen in him before. If this aspect (#1 reason why MJ is GOAT) of his game continues to develop he will be more than a 3 x all star and sky is the limit. Still needs to improve his ball handling a bit but he has everything. Size, athleticism, shooting, defensive ability, versatility, strong work ethic, and a desire to be great. I did a total 180 on this guy and now I am totally in love with him. I said no at the time to the Deng for Barnes trade rumors before the draft and hate myself for thinking that way.
Barnes "per 36 stats" last season:
Pts: 13.1 on 52% TS% (a little low on the scoring and about league average efficiency)
Rebounds: 5.8 (average for a SF, better than I expected)
Assists 1.7 (bad for a SF)
Steals: 0.9 (bad, especially for a young SF)
Blocks: 0.2 (quite bad)
I think the hype is again getting away. He did some stuff okay. And he had some nice games in the playoffs. But there are still some real reasons to be concerned about him.
Green was roughly 8 months older in his rookie campaign... but for the sake of comparison...
Points: 13.4 on 49.1 % True shooting (Their team was 29th in offensive efficiency, far cry from playing alongside a lineup consisting of Curry/Thompson/Lee)
Great example. The two players are quite comparable.
And Jeff Green today, five seasons later.
Pts 16.6 on 56% TS% (above average scoring amount and slightly above average efficiency, career high)
Rebounds: 5.1 (below average)
Assists: 2.0 (below average, career high)
Steals: 0.9 (below average)
Blocks: 1.1 (above average, career high)
Jeff Green had his best season last season but he is far from being a star. Harrison might improve along the same trajectory.
Consider that he had to share the ball with David Lee, Steph Curry and Klay Thompson as for why his scoring is low. In fact it seemed like before the playoffs he hardly got chances to touch the ball at all.
TallmanNYC has it right. He is a young player with some upside, but because he had some good games in the playoffs when opposing teams were leaving him open doesn't mean he is necessarily some future star or second option. His spot-up jump shot is not particularly good, even if his form looks good, and he is not a prolific slasher. He is a guy who is a solid ball-handler and can shoot pretty well off the dribble, but he is not really great at anything. His 3-point shot needs improving.
Personally, I would rather have Moe Harkless than Barnes. Harkless has a less polished game than Barnes, but still was a more efficient scorer in slightly less volume while bringing much more to the table than just scoring. Plus, shooting is easier to improve than slashing, and Harkless is already a good slasher.
And I would also prefer MKG, who was a better scorer as a rookie than Barnes, scoring more efficiently while posting a similar average despite playing on a worse team. And, like Harkless, MKG is far superior in other aspects of the game.
I'm sorry but I have to disagree with you. Yes Barnes is getting a lot of love for his play in the playoffs but that is because it is rare for a rookie to perform so well in the playoffs. Barnes played great in the playoffs and signs are pointing to him improving even more next season as the Warriors 6th man with Iggy on board. He'll come in at the 3 and 4. Barnes isn't really being overrated because no one is saying he's gonna be a franchise player but really he has the potential to be a good 2nd option which is what he is.
Also how is posting similar averages on a worse team a good thing? Barnes' role on GSW was to spot and play D while MKG was their starter and was supposed to come in a play heavy minutes as one of the main guys. Even in a more expanded role h still posted similar numbers to a guy who's supposed to be 3 and D. Barnes showed in the playoffs that with an expanded role (with Lee out) he could put up bigger numbers and really make an impact.
Lastly "shooting is easier to improve than slashing" is complete false. Shooting is much harder to improve than slashing since it is all about mechanics and it is what keeps you in the league as you age. Barnes is a much better shooter than both MKG and Harkless and slashing wise there's not much difference between the three. Barnes may not be as good at slashing as the other two but the difference is not as great as his shooting is compared to theirs.
It isn't just about the averages. The efficiency is also key. Harkless and MKG were both much more efficient than Barnes despite not playing on good teams that gave them open looks. If Barnes played on the Bobcats or Magic, his efficiency would likely have been worse. And MKG played very similar minutes to Barnes.
Harkless and MKG are both likely superior players to Barnes at this stage in their careers and, given their athletic advantages, younger ages, and lack of polish, I anticipate more improvement from Harkless and MKG than Barnes. They can improve the mechanics on their shots much more than Barnes can improve his athleticism and assertiveness on the court.
How are harkless and mkg superior players to Barnes? Barnes has a better skillset at this point and is at around the same level athletically as the other two. You make it seem like Barnes is an unathletic player, ask Pekovic and most recently Ryan Anderson how unathletic he is. Yes MKG and Harkless are possibly more athletic (debatable) but it is not as much of a difference as you make it seem. Barnes as well as MKG just went through USA camp and that helps a player's development a lot both on the court and with their confidence. So I see Barnes and MKG being a lot better next year.
You talk about Efficiency but if you look at the percentages of each player they are actually very similar during the year. Also a player like Barnes who is more of a perimeter player shooting jumpers would be lower than two players who can't shoot so they shoot inside the paint more. Barnes does need to improve his efficiency but just because the other two had a slightly better efficiency does not make them superior players. Also unlike the other two Barnes' team made the playoffs and he had a great playoff run. A small sample of what he could do with an expanded role.
Lastly...you bring up athletic advantages, younger ages and lack of polish as a reason that more improvement will come from MKG and Harkless over Barnes. Your really stuck in the past Barnes has shown all year that he is far more athletic than people thought and even his combine numbers showed his athleticism (his vertical was actually higher than both MKG and Harkless and his speed and agility was very similar to the other two). Based on age yes MKG and Harkless are younger by 1 year so its not a very big difference. Lack of polish i guess shows room to improve but only time will tell if they can live up to their potential. Improving mechanics on your shot is a lot harder than you think it is (see all the athletic players drafted on potential out of the league already) especially at this age. Not saying MKG and Harkless wont get better with their shooting but it's a lot harder than you make it seem like.
He fits this team perfectly, and he is able to take advantage of many mismatches due to his size. If he was on a struggling team we wouldnt have the same thoughts about him. If sac only new tyreke was going to get that deal then they coulda took barnes would have been a perfect fit.
I think in a year or two he'll be right in the mix with Nicolas Batum and Kawhi Leonard in the conversation of who the second best small forward is out West.
But he really showed promise in the playoffs. I think thats why people are excited. Totally agree with what everyone is saying about him playing 4 in small line ups. However, I think his best moments in the playoffs came when he was posting up smaller players... there was a few times that he just destroyed Danny Green.
Don't really agree that MKG or Harkless are better athletes than Barnes...If you look at their athletic combine stats they all are about the same.. In fact it would be easier to say that Barnes is the superior athlete than it would be to say that both of them are better than Barnes.
If I had to rank the three right now i would say 1) Barnes (because of his playoff performance) 2) MKG 3) Harkless ... but thats just me..
Look at their rebounds, steals and blocks. MKG and Harkless are all playing a completely different game from Barnes in terms of their activity on the court. Who cares if Barnes can jump just as high as them in the combine if he can't rebound as well as them or grab steals?
Barnes impressed me a lot but I still see some huge red flags. Most importantly the lack of activity on the defensive end that results in blocks and steals. Incidentally, I think Jeff Green is terribly overvalued and if Barnes continues in the same vein Barnes will turn into something similar. A one dimensional scorer who is just so so at the scoring part. But in Barnes defense he did hit the boards better than Green.