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Harrison Barnes

How good can he be??? Wut is his ceiling as far as NBA impact and potential??? Comparisons???


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He can be a very good player

He can be a very good player if he wants to be one. He is going to be the #1 pick in the 2011 NBA Draft and he will be a pretty good player in the NBA, he reminds me of Carmelo Anthony.

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Agreed

Carmelo Anthony seems like the best comparison at this point. Can't wait to see him play.

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I like that comparison

Watching his highlights i do see that Melo smoothness to his game. Also similar size although i dont think he has the natural overpowering strength Melo has.

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The biggest difference

The biggest difference between him and Melo at that stage is that Barnes actually tries on defense and has an outstanding bball IQ for a guy of his age.

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yeah I was watching video of

yeah I was watching video of him yesterday and everybody always say luol deng i dont like that comparison he reminds me of Carmelo Anthony alot or grant hill before injuries took away his promising career

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I've seen the Grant Hill comparison before, and I don't really like it. Barnes isn't as good a ball handler, passer or athlete as Hill. On the other hand, Hill wasn't near the shooter from deep that Barnes is.

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Glenn Robinson. You kids may

Glenn Robinson.
You kids may not remember him, but in his prime, he was beast.

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The Deng comparison sucks, by

The Deng comparison sucks, by my standards Luol Deng is some what of a bust. Thought he would be a much better player then he's turned out to be, But that also plays in2 the history of Duke players not doing much in the NBA. I like the Glenn Robinson comparison but thats becuz Melo reminds me a lil of him physically.

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I also see 2004 Paul

I also see 2004 Paul Pierce....Barnes will be a monster, his ability to shoot and get to the basket and finish will give him a chance to be a scoring machine. He also seems extremely dedicated and has his head on straight. He doesn't seem like a kid who is satisfied with his game and all his hype. With his mentality and work ethic, he will be something special.

Something to think about....One thing about Melo/Pierce comparisons, I think Barnes is more athletic now than either Melo or Pierce ever were.

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You know what I really hate?

When people like CJwhitaker say stupid things like "That plays into the history of Duke players not doing much in the NBA." I have made the argument against this several times on this site. Do I need to make it yet again?

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Melo is a pretty good athlete and has an amazing first step. Not sure if Barnes is much better athletically. Even if it is, it's not by much.

IMO, Barnes is just one of those players who you can ticket for stardom (barring injuries etc). He will give opposing teams fits because of his athleticism, length and overall offensive skill set. I've seen very few players who have had a complete offensive skill set like Barnes does coming into college.

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Don't like the Melo comparison

I think that I'd compare him to Luol Deng. Not Carmelo Anthony. Melo has that lethal combination of power and quickness that Harrison Barnes doesn't have. Now before anyone goes ham on me for the Luol Deng comparison remember that Luol Deng was thought of as a potential NBA star when he was drafted. Either way it goes I'm impressed with Harrison Barnes. Way more than Michael Gilchrist who is overrated as hell imo.

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First off, Micheal isn't overrated. Secondly, true, he isn't as strong as Melo, but he is probably just as quick and plays way better defense and has a higher b-ball IQ.

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"Im Your Father" must be

"Im Your Father" must be Chris Duhon or maybe William Avery, Dahntay Jones, Luol Deng, Jay Williams, Elton Brand, Christian Lattener, Coery Magette, or Shane Battier. Don't get me wrong they have become good role players, but they never live up 2 the expectations of the Duke hype machine people like Dicky V have created.

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@cjwhitaker

Just wait til Brian Zoubek gets on the floor. Prove all you haters wrong! Lol

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As a Duke fan, I'll say it:

As a Duke fan, I'll say it: UNC hasn't produced a legit NBA prospect since 1998.

Barnes reminds me of Loul Deng. I don't see the Melo thing at all.

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I sont think you know how

I dont think you know how good Gilchrist is man. Hes a guy you would love to have on your team. His shot is improving but he plays more like a PF in St.Patricks and works the low post hecause thats what they need him to do. He is a great rebounder and doesnt give up on defense. Think Scottie Pippen.

And can someone tell me whats wrong with the Robimson comparison? I dont see Barnes being a high volume scorer who can put up numbers the way Melo did , but someone Rudy Gay if you want a present day comparison.

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The last good really good

The last good really good player 2 come out of Duke got drafted in the second round in 02 lol (Carlos Boozer)

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Harrison Barnes is waaaay

Harrison Barnes is waaaay more skilled than Rudy Gay wus coming out of highschool, Rudy Gay relied heavily an still does on athleticism, Harrison Barnes has a higher basketball IQ at this point and overall skill level

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Loul Deng is good as well.

Loul Deng is good as well.

J.J. Reddick is showing promise as a role player.

Gerald Henderson should show some promise next season

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Deng and Redick are solid

Deng and Redick are solid role players, Gerald Henderson has yet to prove anything and i think its a make or break year for him. Ecspecially seeing that Larry Brown doesnt have much patience with young players.

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Shane Battier's decent also

Shane Battier's decent also

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Name UNC players from 1998.

Name UNC players from 1998. After VC....who's UNC's guy?

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Barnes

His offensive game is way more advanced than Deng's was at the same stage.

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Every School Has Role Players

"Im Your Father" must be Chris Duhon or maybe William Avery, Dahntay Jones, Luol Deng, Jay Williams, Elton Brand, Christian Lattener, Coery Magette, or Shane Battier. Don't get me wrong they have become good role players, but they never live up 2 the expectations of the Duke hype machine people like Dicky V have created.

Ok Lets take this point by point.

Jay Williams: Had a devastating injury after a promising rookie year.

Dahntay Jones: Had done exactly as aspected, he is a high energy defender.

Loul Deng hasn't been a bust, he has averaged 15, 6 and 2 for his career. That's pretty damn good.

Elton Brand was far from a role player, until his injuries he was averaging 20 and 10 for his career and was a legit MVP candidate in 05-06

Corey Maggette: Has averaged 16.6 ppg for his career.

Christian Laettner was overhyped because of his college career, but he still managed to put up 18 and 8 consistently for the first 7 years of his career.

Shane Battier is one of the best defenders in the NBA and a player that any team would LOVE to have.

Grant Hill who you failed to mention was a superstar and a sure fire hall of famer before the injuries set in.

Avery was a bust, he came out too early. Plain and simple. But every school has busts. Most of the players you listed are Good NBA players. No program is consistently producing NBA superstars. It is ridiculous to think to think that anyone could. I'll take Krzyzewski's NBA players over any other coaches.

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Antwan Jamison is a former

Antwan Jamison is a former all-star, Raymond Felton is a solid starting Point Guard who i think will absolutely look a whole lot better getting away from Larry Brown and playing under D'antoni who will allow him 2 play 2 his strengths, Marvin Williams is a solid starter who is still developing

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Also

How can you judge Henderson? Brown never plays rookies. He has yet to get a chance to prove himself and that's not unusual because he's entering his second year in the league.

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Right

Jamison was not coached by Roy Williams first of all, and he was no Better than Brand. Secondly, Felton and Williams are exactly what most of the Duke Players you listed are- solid starters.

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im your father

Luol Deng has failed to live up to expectations coming out of Duke. He isn't a bust, but he has been dissapointing so far in his career.

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See I don't get that

Deng was the 7th pick in the draft. I don't think anyone thought he was going to be a superstar. People are disappointed because he was good almost from the start and people expected him to take his game to the next level. In fact, his potential was never really that high.

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I remember bug dog. He was my

I remember bug dog. He was my favorite player growing up

barnes kinda reminds me of melo. Melo wasn't that power guy in hs that he is today. He was actually kinda skinny. He put in good time in the weight room
before his freshman year and I think
barnes will do the same. Can anyone tell me what weakness barnes has? Doesn't have great handles but it's not a weakness. Is a very deceptive athlete. High basketball iq. Long arms. I like the grant hill comparison as well although grant didn't Have barnes jumper. Barnes actually is the same or slightly better handles then hill had as a highschool sr

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You're right. He really has no weaknesses. The only thing I can think of is his vision, and it's slightly above average at worst.

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Deng has been better then

Deng has been better then mike and Felton

Sean may has sucked. But so has Sheldon Williams

mccants is out the leauge so is Avery

boozer brand. Vince Antwan

hmmm I might have to go with duke as far as better players off the top
of my head

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Deng has been highly heralded

Deng has been highly heralded since highschool an the fact is he just hasnt improved, Felton was obviously being held back playing under Larry Brown an will have a breakout season playin New York, Marvin Williams definately came out 2 early but has improved alot over the course of his young career and had become a nice piece the Atalnta Hawks moving in the right direction

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Deng

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but people did think Deng would be a superstar. He was the number two player in High School behind Lebron James and when he got to Duke the Hype was there. He left after his freshman year and people thought he would be an impact player. Unfortunately he is just a solid role guy. There have been some good Duke players but Deng hasn't lived up to expectations. Saw him and Charlie Villanueava on same high school team in Jersey and I wasnt impressed, they should have been a dominant force. Deng is still a decent player but now what people expected.

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Brand cant even play 10 games

Brand cant even play 10 games in a row, Boozer is the only Duke player that has done anything worth mentioning since Grant Hill (Pre-Injuries).

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What are you talking about

Brand had plenty of full seasons in LA. You continue to make excuses for UNC players while calling out Duke players. Deng is a serviceable NBA player and he has lived up to the 7th pick. Marvin Williams was the 2nd pick in a great draft, he is way more of a bust than Deng.

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Oh and

Are Shane Battier and Corey Maggette not worth mentioning? They have certainly been far better than Felton or Williams thus far.

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How was Felton held back? He

How was Felton held back? He wasn't held back. He is what he is. A good starter nothing more. Billuos played for Larry and was a finals MVP. Iverson was a leauge MVP. Williams is a bust for a number two
pick. to say duke hasn't produced since hill just isn't true. Brand was a allstar talent before injuries

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Barnes is outstanding at

Barnes is outstanding at nearly every aspect of the game, except his ball-handling is only decent and not great. He's physically gifted for a swingman, and he's an above average athlete, He should be an elite player in the NBA down the line. I think he's similar to Luol Deng RIGHT NOW, but he has a chance to be notch or 2 better in the long run.

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Really?

How many of you guys commenting have seen Barnes play more than the time he was on espn? Watching a highlight tape doesn't show you what a guy like Barnes can do. I'd have to assume that you guys who say he is a hardworker on defense have seen multiple games cause you really cant judge that from one game and a highlight mix tape. And for the person who thinks Mike is overrated have you seen him play multiple times or just watched highlight tapes, cause ya on highlight tapes he doesn't look super special but is a pipen type player and is a year or two younger than most players in his grade. he's 16 going into his senior year.

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I like the Loul Deng

I like the Loul Deng comparison the best. Melo's strength and post game plays such a huge part in his succes, something barnes doesnt have.

As for annointing this kid the number 1 pick, its definately too early. He's not the clear cut number one player in this class like John Wall was last year (yeah i know espn had bradley at #1, but lets face it, that was stupid). Barnes isnt really head and shoulders above everyone else current skill wise or potential wise.

Idk he has the otherworldly athleticism or potential of a kid like John Wall that warrants him to be guaranteed a number one draft selection

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You are talking about the now

You are talking about the now melo. Melo as a sr wasn't the same as melo now. He wasn't as big or strong nor was his post game as good

barnes ahead of his peers right now as far as skills and readiness. With sullinger being second and Tobias being third. Both are also very skilled. With Perry having the best potential

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I love it

the Deng comparison.....Barnes is slightly overrated....he's definitely no Carmelo that's for damn sure....he's a better defender but he is miles away offensively.....like a cross country trip....

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Acually there may not be very similar player to Harrison Barnes at the NBA right now so he may set his own standards and be as a huge comparison-drawer as himself :)
He has better and more fluid shooting ability, than Melo and he´s gonna play some defence. He also is a better driver has a higher basketball IQ, and his attitude is different. At this matter you can compare him with Kevin Durant
He is even clearly quicker than Durant and has much better ballhandling skills as well as more versatile scoring skills - heas much more skilled driver. (I´m not saying, that he is better than Durant or even, that he may become a better than Duran - Durant is bigger, he´s tough despite of being lean, he has winners mental strength, that is comparable only with Kobe, MJ, KG. Even studs like Dirk, Dwight, Deron Williams and Melo can´t compete with him etc.)
He can remind you some of Kobe Bryant, although he is taller. But clearly lacks mental strength that Kobe has. The leadership can also be considered as difference as Kobe may be the best in NBA at this matter, starting to draw quietly comparisons with MJ hmself in these days.

So in my mind there is no player in the NBA at the moment, with whom u can draw close parallels with Barnes type of player. He is smooth, crafty, with pic-perfect release from everywhere. Not SO explosive and fast, but smooth and creative with very versatile skills to score. He seem to always fint the way to the basket. If he continues to develop and maintain his attitude and health, he can be something very special and become KD / Kobe Bryant kind of impact to his NBA team.

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actually last year at same

actually last year at same time there were twice or even trice more John Wall haters than there is no with Barnes, there were so much discussions about Wall's jumper pg skills ect and how good Favors could be..so Barnes is freshman phenom too, and might even bigger #1 than John were last year in preaseason

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Raymond Felton was being held

Raymond Felton was being held back because if u watched him in college his biggest strength is pushing the ball up the court which he will ge plenty of oppurtunities 2 do in New York. U cant obviously compare Allen Iverson and Chauncey Billips to Raymond Felton!!!!! Those guys are hall of famers and totally different types of players!!!! I dont think anybody ever predicted Raymond Felton to be great but he is able and i believe will contribute more than he did with the bobcats. Elton Brand had good individual seasons but that did not transfer into to any type of team success in LA or Chicago. Luol Deng wus drafted ahead of Jameer Nelson, JR Smith, Kevin Martin, Josh Smith and Al Jefferson. He hasnt had the impact on chicago that those players have had on their respective teams. Kevin Martin and Al Jefferson havent been winners but they have made their marks as above average players in the league. Jameer Nelson is a stud, Josh Smith is still continuing to improve every year and has been vital to Atlanta's playoff appearances, and JR Smith has been a versitile dangerous weapon with the nuggets & if he ever matures mentally watch out!!! Luol Deng has been nothin but a disappointment in my opinion. At best i thought he woulda been a 20 point scorer maybe could play a secondary star type of role. Deng has been nothing more than a inconsistent role player who should've been traded, i would've kept Hinrich an traded Deng.

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Bit over rated in my book.

Bit over rated in my book.

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You dont compare a guy like

You dont compare a guy like Harrison to a guy like Melo. First of all Barnes is so unique he should not be compared, he is Harrison Barnes, after his rookie year people will be wondering "whos the next Harrison Barnes". Second of all I've always been against comparing somebody to any player capable of winning an MVP in the NBA. Thats nonsense and you guys have to really think about it. Can Harrison post up in 3 different positions, push around whoevers gaurding him, and score at will. No. Harrison maybe extremely skilled but he really depends on his explosiveness to be an extremely effective player, Melo is so skilled he can drop 30 without sweating. Melo came into the league with extrordinary talent, but at the same time was a coaches nightmare. Barnes is a standout player and individual and a coaches absolute dream.

If anything I would say Grant Hill pre-injuries and with 3-point range. This is due to the fact that what makes Barnes so effective is his athletisism, but if he lost that he would still be a great person, leader and his IQ would give him a great role player position. His skill would not overwhelm and he would no longer be an Allstar calibur player.

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Not so explosive and fast? He

Not so explosive and fast? He is one of the most athletic players in the country Ralwarez.

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