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What will Harrison Barnes do after the season? Will he go to the nba draft? Where will he fall if he does? Will he stay to better his game at UNC?


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Harrison Barnes-Failed miserabily,he has 2 options(LOL) stay and prove that he can be at least something that they predicted him to be,or go now while he has chance to be top 3(i believe that he isnt going to live the hype) and i think he may use this "weak" draft to go high on board,but wouldnt be surprised if he stays

Brandon Knight-I dont know why but im shure that he will stay another year...Important thing is he is excellent student so he actually goes to classes and all that things,and he could also work on his pg skills

Enes Kanter-Stay,cause he isnt ready for NBA...

Perry Jones-I see him being no.1 pick

Kyrie Irving-He is staying,we all know that

Terrance Jones-Big surprise in my eyes,best freshmen right now,i see him using his 5 minutes and taken by the 4th pick

Jared Sullinger-didnt dissapoint,but i think he will do a good thinking before declaring(cba and all that we know),he may be adviced to stay just cause of money,but if declares 3-5th pick

Donatas Motejuinas-i see him declaring,he could be picked very high if those guys dont declare maybe even top 5,but he can always play in europe and make money so i think he will surely declare

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I said before the start of

I said before the start of the season,that he was very over hyped but not overrated.....Maybe people were expecting him to have a breakout freshman year....Like Carmelo,Durant or Beasley did..But Barnes is the type of player that have to blossom into a great player like Wade,Westbrook or Grant Hill...

But he does have the talent to be a top 5 pick in a year or 2..But not this year..

If he came out this year,i still believe he'll be a lottery pick maybe in the 8 to 14 range, based on his upside....

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How do we all know

How do we all know that Irving is going to stay. He had a great start to the season and right now he is in most eyes the clear cut best PG at this point. Irving I think could vey well declare and be a Top 3 pick.

Also you say Kanter isnt ready but he dominated Sullinger when they went head to head last summer yet you think Sullinger will go between pick 3 and 5. The reasoning to me here seems very skewed.

I think Barnes will get it going in 2nd half of the season, but not to the point of all the hype he had. If I had to say guess id say he goes, but hes a guy for me who could go either way.

Perry Jones I think will declare and be a Top 3 pick.

Terrance Jones I think will also declare and be around the 4th-6th pick.

Brandon Knight I think will and should stay another year so he can become a more well rounder player.

Enes Kanter I think will enter the draft but Im not sure where he will get drafted, but I feel he can perform in the NBA if given time.

Jared Sullinger I think will continue to be a beast in conference play and be a top 5 pick. He just reminds me of Elton Brand so much at that age.

Donte Montejuinas I think will enter the draft and be a lottery pick. i

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BUT DID YOU SEE KANTER PLAYS IN ONE COLLEGE GAME...ITS EASY TO DOMINATE IN CAMPS CAUSE YOU DONT GIVE A F FOR RESULT OR YOUR TEAMMATES..you are focused on yourself so thats the reason i think kanter will stay,he isnt stupid guy,he wont jump in nba cause of money..

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kanter

How can you say have we seen him play NBA games?

Many prospects in the past never played a college game and have been drafted high such as Dirk, Gasol, Rubio and thats just foreing players. That doesnt include successful high schoolers who made the jump.

I think he isnt stupid either and I think he will jump.

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How can you say have we seen him play NBA games?

Many prospects in the past never played a college game and have been drafted high such as Dirk, Gasol, Rubio and thats just foreing players. That doesnt include successful high schoolers who made the jump.

I think he isnt stupid either and I think he will jump.

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you are just proving im right,,,,think about what you just wrote ;)

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How

Please tell me how I am showing you are right?

Kanter I believe will declare. As of right now he cant play college ball so what should he do?

The choices at the moment are he returns to Europe or goes to the NBA. Why would he not enter a weak draft?

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"We all know Irving will

"We all know Irving will stay"

No we don't, there is an outside chance that he MIGHT stay, that's a far cry from us "all knowing that he will."

I would be surprised if all of Kanter, Barnes, Knight and Irving do not enter the draft. I'm all for wishful thinking as a Duke fan, but let's be realistic here.

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I don't know if Kanter is

I don't know if Kanter is ready or not but he dominated Sullinger ( a 2over weight Sullinger) but Sullinger also did work on him as well with 22-8 and the win.

I agree theres a outside chance he will stay but its not a sure thing (irving)

Kanter and his dad said he is coming back next year if he isn't eligible this year ( but we have heard that before)

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If you are a lock for the 1st Round.....

Don't you have to go pro? Who among us would turn down first round guaranteed money? That is assuming the new CBA does not blow up guaranteed money for 1st rounders?

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just imagine..Kanter Barnes

just imagine..Kanter Barnes Irving all possibly future stars and Quincy Miller , Gilchrist, Rivers, Davis..next year's drat can be so SO good.

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If you saw the game......

He did not exactly dominate Sullinger, I think that got a little blown out of proportion. He had a great game, but most of the time when he and Sullinger faced each other, Sullinger did indeed to hold his own quite well. Kanter came off of the bench, and he did not exactly play Sullinger the entire time. Sullinger finished with 22 and 8 (10-14 from the field) and Enes finished with 34 and 13 (including many rebounds of his own misses and 13-21, awesome, but I feel he and Sullinger were not exactly going one on one at all, and felt Sullinger did the best job of defending him, but did not do it very much. Kanter also had little chance of stopping Sullinger.). So, just giving my opinion on that.

As far as Harrison Barnes goes, he very well might stay another year, as this site and some others have him doing. He still seems like a can't miss lottery pick regardless of when he leaves, and if he slipped out of the top 5 this year, I would be surprised. I know when I saw the Hoop Summit, the top 5 guys that stood out to me (in order) were Barnes, Kanter, Sullinger, Irving and Jones. They all played very well, and were all ranked near the top of my draft board. I did not base it off of this one game, but I have been impressed by Barnes as a prospect for quite a while, though he has not torn the world up like he was hyped to do. Still, in this draft class there hardly seems like a sure thing with the questions of players that have arisen.

Irving: To me, closest to a sure thing you can get. But, tell me you would not be a whole lot happier if he did not have a toe injury that sidelined him for the season? However minor it may be, has to make your stomach churn just a little bit.

Perry Jones: He is tall, incredibly athletic and also at times incredibly passive. For those who question Barnes fire, how do the same questions not apply here? I guess Jones has the height to make this less of an issue. Has lived up to my expectations, whereas Barnes has not, so I guess he has that. He definitely shows flashes of being solid, but I think Kevin Durant comparisons are completely far fetched. Durant had a flow, consistency and even intensity that Jones is no where close too at the same stage. He is a rare prospect, but I will be surprised if he plays 3 in the NBA. Plus, he should shoot a better percentage from the line before he starts becoming a mid range shooter.

Terrence Jones: Has exceeded my expectations, which were actually pretty high. I had him ranked as about my 7th or so prospect going into this year, and he has probably gone even higher with his play. He is very much in that Marvin Williams/Lamar Odom mold, as a strong player who has skills required for either forward spot. But, his true position is definitely a big question. Offensively, he has a great skill set, but who will he defend? Truly a worthwhile question to ask here. People do not realize that the questions asked about him are more about his ability to play both sides of the ball. Still, has a lot of potential and thus far has appeared to be having the best NCAA season of any top prospect outside of Sullinger.

Sullinger: Has been as good as advertised, a beast down low, strong and a solid rebounder. But, as Quincey rightly pointed out ever so briefly, his conditioning could be a concern. He may not be as quick or athletic as many players he will have to defend. He is incredibly strong, but so are the players he will be going up against. He has a big wing span, but so do most NBA PF's. Get the drift? He has the look of a possible All-Star, kind of like Elton Brand, but is he a franchise player and will he make your team better than other teams as their leader? Has so far in college, but the NBA is a different story. I still think he is a great prospect, just legit questions.

Barnes: Yes, he was the consensus #1 HS player by most publications, was given All-American status before ever playing a college game. No, he has not lived up to or near those standards or expectations. He has not been dominating smaller, less athletic wings and creating his own shot. He has yet to register a 20 point game I believe, and most probably thought he might average 20. The Kobe Bryant comparisons seem incredily far fetched and right now, he has done very little to merit himself being a top pick. His shooting percentage is bad for an NBA rookie and horrid right now for an NCAA freshman. Still, I for one have a hard time saying I would choose all of these other players over him, because he just appears to be a kid who works and will have a bright future. But, he has yet to show us the goods. Maybe he does not have the motor we once thought he had when he was killing his peers in HS All-Star games and camps. He does seem to lack killer instinct, as UNC more than likely should have him shooting a lot more. It could be a confidence thing, but every great scorer knows that even if you miss 6 shots, you have to take that next one. Your team needs you too. It is just difficult to argue when you go 0-6, or 2-9, or 3-11. Still, as much as people hate this word, I feel he has a lot of potential. But, if he does stay another year, I feel it will be a lot better for him being more ready to make an impact on the team that drafts him. I still see him as a lottery pick, but his grasp on #1 is slipping. Maybe one more year is what it will take for him to live up to expectations. It has helped players before, can not see why it would be very different for Harrison.

Kanter: He has been destroying European comp at the U-16 and U-18 levels, leaving bodies in his way. He actually WANTED to play college basketball rather than being forced too due to an age limit. He is impressive, has a nice skill set, wide shoulders and is very strong. He killed a relatively small US frontline in the Hoop Summit (Meyers Leonard, who is a tooth pick, Patric Young, who is very raw and Sullinger, who definitely was giving a lot of size to the guy). Still, he has not played a single college game or games we know of in organized basketball since. He supposedly went up against weak comp in HS and going up against UK's small front line exactly what this guy needs to prepare for NBA competition. Plus, his conditioning and athleticism could both be issues as well. He is not a speed demon by any definition, and while he is strong, so are the other guys. It would be great to see how he does against legitimate competition, which is something we might get a chance to see until a year from now. He is probably the best European prospect in the draft, but he is still not exactly a sure thing.

So, these are just my opinions on the major issues and questions these prospects raise. I more than likely would still have Barnes #1 this year, but I feel this debate will rage on up until the draft. If Barnes does not enter, than you better believe there will be a player entering with hopes of moving up the board. This draft looks weak, because of all of these questions that can only be answered with time and experience. But, this will still probably be a young draft with very intriguing prospects who should give some teams nice building blocks. But, to me, all of these players have questions that make them complete unknowns as far as exactly what they will contribute to your franchise. Are any of them franchise players, or are they first options on bad teams or a second/third guy on a good team? To me, at this point, I go with the latter.

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A player like Motiejunas can

A player like Motiejunas can almost declare with nothing to lose as he is a likely top 10 pick and if there is a lockout he can always remain with his current team thus reducing any buyout and making himself more NBA ready.

With Harrison Barnes, can anyone recall a player really mending their draft position by staying another year, often the players tend to drop down thev draft even if when they are drafted they may be more NBA ready - Noah and Hibbert both spring to mind as guys who waited and fell down the draft but staying probably helped their game.

Blake Griffin rose up the draft board in his 2nd NCAA year but was never a very likely one and done like other top prospects.

When people say that players mature by staying an extra year in college, I often assume they perhaps mean as a person as a lot of drafting is done on potential and whilst some players are seen as more NBA ready, the teams always consider raw talent perhaps a better option combined with potential upside rather than very good role players who tend to come into their own a bit later down the draft.

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Cal is doing to Terrance

Cal is doing to Terrance Jones,what he did to Cousins and Tyreke Evans ..He made both of them better players be demanding they play in areas they werent accustomed to..

Playing in Kentucky's system his overall game is not fully on display becuz Coach Cal wants him playing in the post...If you saw him play in high school or in aau games ,you would've notice he does ave a decent outside shot...

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Coach Cal has certainly

Coach Cal has certainly turned a load of players into very high draft picks in recent years and minus Kanter, Terrence Jones has had to play more of a post role than may have been expected of him. Developing a player's game and trying to make them something they are not are two different things and Coach Cal is a master of the former.

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See, Griffin is exactly what came to my mind with Barnes. They are not the same player, and thus far Barnes has not had the statistical impact that Griffin had his freshman year at Oklahoma, but I could see the scenario being quite similar. If Griffin were one and done, which he easily could have done in a draft that was incredibly guard heavy and short on big men, to me he would have been a top 10 or so pick. Honestly, he could have gone anywhere in the 4-8 range most likely, this after his freshman year. However, he stayed, improved greatly, and was the bar none first pick in the draft. Things might not be as easy for Barnes, but to me, unless they do overturn the preps to pro's rule, the 2012 draft will not be incredibly stacked. It will in fact have a number of players similar to Harrison Barnes, who at that point might be playing better than any of them. It is a gamble, if he does not progress, chances are he slips. But, to me, Barnes has the tools and ability to have that gamble pay off.

I personally think that Barnes could turn things around and still end up being a relatively high pick in the draft. The 2006 draft if we all recall, for the longest time had Rudy Gay at the top. Rudy had a decent freshman year and a slightly better sophomore year and ended up falling to 8th. However, if you fall to 8th in the NBA draft, that is not at all the end of the world, and unless Barnes just straight up sucks in ACC play, I can not see him getting much lower than that. To me, him staying in college would not necessarily make him a better NBA player or prospect, and I do believe he has enough maturity to make the jump. But, it would give him time to work on his body and his game to be more prepared once he does make it to the NBA. See, when people say someone should have stayed in college, I do not know whether it would have made a lot of difference with where they were taken in the draft. The thing it would have a difference on is their ability to contribute immediately to an NBA team, and I think the longer you stay in college the more ready you will be. This is not an exact science, and I am not saying everyone needs to stay in college, but look at most NBA players. They get better when they are more physically and mentally ready to play. This is not a mentality you learn in college, just from experience. So, the chances Barnes becomes the player we all expected of him are not great, but it has been done. I mean, I had high expectations for Kemba Walker last year that I did not feel he met, and now he is blowing up.

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Rudy Barnes fell down the

Rudy Barnes fell down the 2006 mock drafts and never regained his draft momentum being drafted 8th and then traded but he's had one of the best NBA careers of the 2006 draftees. OJ Mayo went from being a top 2 pick on earlier 2008 mocks down to about 10th on a few mocks and then worked his way back up to 3rd.

Blake Griffin was inserted as a likely top pick in the 2009 draft after he didn't enter in 2008 and once there were issues about Rubio being available immediately after being drafted he was always the consensus top pick that year. If Griffin had declared in 2008 then I would have guessed he'd have gone after Kevin Love so we are probably talking about the 6 to 10 range so he may have ended up with the Knicks or maybe have been taken a year earlier by the Clippers.

Players have often been put very high on mock drafts a couple of years before they may declare like Hassan Whiteside who this site had as a potential top pick in 2011 early last year but then went 33rd in this year's draft and is currently learning his trade in the D-League with Reno Bighorns ( putting up some spectacular blocking stats but nothing major on ppg or rpg yet). But when a player starts to fall down the mocks in what is likely their draft year through form ( Noah fell because he waited a year and went into a stronger draft for example) then they do need to take stock of what is the best thing to do long term to give them the best chance of a long term NBA career.

There is no right or wrong age at which to get drafted and I'm totally open on whether the minimum draft age should be 18 or 19 or even younger or elder. In a lot of sports you see guys 16 or 17 playing successfully with the professionally but too much too young can be a major problem as highlighted in numerous sports but playing at the top from 18 to 22 may be better than having extra years in your early to mid 30's. Last year's draft saw guys who were 23 drafted above or around the same level as guys who were 19 years old so teams don't just look at automatic longevity.

Back to Barnes with James McAdoo and P.J Hairston coming to North Carolina next year then the team would be even stronger and a very likely March Madness contender yet again and another year of playing major minutes under Coach Williams could be better than what may be a limited NBA role in his rookie season.

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Remember this site like other

Remember this site like other sites is the opinion of the writiers just like me or you putting up a mock draft untill the end or middle of the season when they get to talk to Scouts.

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I always regard mock drafts

I always regard mock drafts with a pinch of salt but ones run by big sites like these and say ESPN etc do see a lot more games than any fan can so they should be more accurate than the ones done by the average fan who posts on here. Also mocks tend to be BPA so for example if a PF was the BPA in the Clippers draft position they will list him regardless of LAC having Blake Griffin as their potential PF for the next decade or so. Until we really get to draft time and start to hear promises then any draft is very subjective but the major mocks don't differ that much come pre draft time when NBA.Com tends to publish it's composite draft of all the major site's mocks.

That's why I never tend to publish mock drafts early as they will just be inaccurate.

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COME ON NOW...THIS SITE IS LOUSIEST BASKETBALL SITE EVER...THEY ARE GOOD IN PREDICTING NO.1 PICK AND THATS ABOUT IT...

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You can see just as many

You can see just as many games if you pay for the college package or go online. Thats how i watch all my games

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I love how after a slow start

I love how after a slow start to the season, everybody is counting Barnes out as being the first pick in this years draft, he still has shown that he has the ability and talent to be a special player, it is taking him longer to adjust to college basketball at the moment but that does not mean he is any less talented or skilled. I feel like he is trying to fit in with the UNC offense and it is taking him out of his game and making him uncomfortable and passive. When he begins to become more assertive and aggressive which I hope is soon he will show everyone why he was a preseason first team All American and why he was worthy of being projected as the number one pick.

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Thats pretty normal to doubt

Thats pretty normal to doubt someone as a first pick if they havn't played like a first pick so far this season

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IF SPECIAL PLAYER IS AT BEST WITH MUCH LUCK ON LOUSY TEAM 20 PPG PER GAME THEN YEA,HE CAN EB THAT SPECIAL PLAYER....AND BTW IM GOD,ON NBA.COM THERE IS ARTICLE ABOUT JAMES AND WADE SHOULD BE CO.MVPS SOMETHING THAT I WRITE FOR THEM AND THAT I BEEN SAYING SINCE THE SEASON STARTED...

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