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Hansborough or Harangody

If you guys were a GM which overachiever would you take Hansborough or Harangody...I honestly don't know who I would pick because they seem identical to me, but I would probably go with Hansborough because he's been doing it so well for 4 years in the ACC and he has a solid jumpshot.


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Neither

Neither. If I am a GM then I am looking for some skill now but most of all potential. Neither player has the ability to help much now, both are undersized, and both have ZERO potential. But if thats all i had to choose from it would hansburough because he plays hard. Harangody is too shot happy and couldn't keep up in the nba.

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Hansbrough...easy

Hansbrough is a better player than Harangody. Even though Hansbrough isnt a great athlete and doesnt have a lot of potential and plays like (gulp) Mark Madsen,he is a better overall player than Harangody. Who does Harangody play like in the NBA? Nobody! Because players with his athleticism dont play in the NBA! At least Hansbrough has the skill set of at least a few players on the end of the bench in the NBA.

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I know jared, I wouldn't

I know jared, I wouldn't pick either one either, I was just speaking hypothetically.

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harangody

Tyler has had a better career but i would go with Harangody, I think both will be better pros than most think. To do what they have done in the top two conferences that is saying alot. Also do not be surprise if Hansborough goes in the lottery to the Bobcats. With Larry Brown and Micheal Jordan Carolina guys i can really see that.

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I think what is going to

I think what is going to happen is that Hansborough will contribute for a couple years than get replaced. He is going to go to a decent team late in the first that needs a temporary fiix at the PF. And I said earlier that I would have to go with Tyler.

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neither

neither

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You cant compare hansbrough

You cant compare hansbrough to mark madsen, hansbrough is a beast in the paint. He will have a solid career off the bench for a playoff contender i believe

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Hansbrough

Thats so much disrespect that this site compares Hansbrough to Madsen in his profile.

If Boozer can make it happen in the NBA Hansbrough can as well. Boozer is 6'9 and fell to second round and cashed in big after 2 year deal was up.

He is a smart player with a awesome motor, and he has improved his game in so many ways over 4 years at UNC. I think he will be very coachable and will develop into a steady NBA player, not a perennial all-star.

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I'd take John Brockman over

I'd take John Brockman over both but if I had to pick I'd pick Hansbrough... he is at least 6-8 while tha Ogre Harangody might be closer to 6-6...

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They play so similar as if

They play so similar as if they were twins seperated after birth in the hospital...

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Jazz draft Hansborough

The Jazz should draft Hansborough. I mean he'd fit perfectly in with the rest of the Jazz since Boozer or Millsap might go. I don't want him to go to the Thunder he'd make them suck even more

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im not sure if alo of yall

im not sure if alo of yall have watched linas klezia in college but hargody plays alot like him ..though klezia showed more athletisim in college and showed the ability to play sf/sg in the nba which im not sure luke can do but you never know cuz he seems to find away to dominae with his awkward game..what i think will hurt hansboro is the fact that hes gonna be short for a pf not that athletic with short arms and hes already nearing the beginning of his prime..boozer was youn and could score left handed or right with more moves and longer arms

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Harangody vs Hansbrough - Excellent Role Players

I think some of you are way off the mark because you're looking at them as failures because they won't be the stars they were in college. In my opinion, that's the wrong way to look at Harangody and Hansbrough. Neither one will be first team All NBA, but they have a lot to recommend very late in the first or early in the 2nd round.

1. Both of them can rebound and score, that's a rare combination most coaches appreciate. That means when they come off the bench, the player guarding them can't leave them alone to double team someone else because of their ability to score and/or grab offensive rebounds.
2. Both of them will be good teammates. Never underestimate the importance of that.
3. Both of them can be solid role players, contributing 12-18 minutes per game. You cannot win a championship without several excellent role players.

In sum, if you're looking for a guy who can come off the bench, consistently grab rebounds, be a threat to score, have a team first attitude, and fit in with their teammates, both of them are solid very late 1st or very early 2nd round choices. You can't expect every draft choice to be an all star, so if you can get a valuable role player late in the draft, you're doing very well.

By the way, the Mark Madsen-Tyler Hansbrough comparison is ridiculous and racist.

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that is not a racist comment

that is not a racist comment people said that because both players are hard workers and not very skilled. and theres really no other player i can think of you can really compare him to..even other sports sites compared him to madsen..but.personally if my lakers would pick either one of them id be very happy...i think hansboro can at least give the same production as chuck hayes at the very least..luke is pretty talented and could also suprise

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There is nothing in common between Madsen and T.H.

Other than the fact that they're both white power forwards, there are very few similarities between Mark Madsen and Hansbrough Mark Madsen has zero offense, his contribution to the team is purely hustle, drive, and enthusiasm. In sum, he has virtually no skills that one would normally associate with an NBA player.

In sharp contrast to Madsen, Hansbrough is a National Player of the Year on an NCAA Championship Caliber team. He was a monster on offense and was double or triple teamed virtually his entire career. When teams played NC, their primary focus was stopping or slowing down Hansbrough.

I don't think Madsen was ever double teamed at any point in his career. Mark Madsen was nothing more than an above average player at Stanford, where the only way he scored was to grab an offensive rebound and lay it back in. He couldn't score in college and he was even worse in the NBA.

In my opinion, the only reason anyone would compare these two players is the fact that they're white. Other than the position they play, there are no other similarities in their game.

There is a writer on this website named Borko Popic, or something similar. The other day I was reading one of his articles where he compared each college player in the upcoming draft to an NBA player. If he was talking about a white college player, he always compared him to a white NBA player. If he was referring to a black college player, he compared him to a black player in the NBA. In my opinion, many of those comparisons were way off. In terms of the white players, the only similarities in their games was the fact they were white.

I'm not saying Popic is a racist, I think it's a sub-conscious thing. However he's not alone, I've seen this happen repeatedly over the years. Take notice when a white college player is compared to a current NBA player, it will almost always be another white player.

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Both are hustle guys off of

Both are hustle guys off of the bench IMHO. Guys that will come in for 15 min. a game give it their all and be fan favorites.

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exactly..no one is comparing

exactly..no one is comparing there college game everyone is talking bout how they pro game could be..tyler is projected to be a hustle guy in the nba that contributes because of hustle just like madsen..not because hes white race has zero to do with it...and maybe because alot of the white players do play like other white players and alot of black players play like alot of black players i cant think of too many white guys that play like black guys and vice versa...and out of all the nba white guys how many of them are overly athletic? how many college white pg play like any black nba point guards?..how many real good white players are there to even compare some of the white players too? the fact is most of the time there games are just different...plus tyler seems to be around the same height on top of everything else..if i had to compare him to another player i would maybe say varajoe but hes not as athletic as him excluding vertical

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Comparing Harangody and Hansbrough

I’m going to respond in 2 different messages to your last post. In this first response, I’m referring to your statement, “no one is comparing there college game everyone is talking bout how they pro game could be.”

I think you misunderstood my point, which is probably my fault. I was trying to say that many people are downgrading Hansbrough and Harangody because they won’t become stars in the NBA as they were in college. I agree with that.

However, if people are looking at them as being lousy draft picks because they won’t be NBA stars, I think that’s a mistake. Both of them are excellent rebounders, scorers, and very consistent. Therefore, if you’re drafting late in the first round, or very early in the second round, you should be looking for solid role players. I think both of them fill that need and for the reasons I stated in earlier messages, they will enjoy long and productive careers as role players.

In my next response, I will address your racist comments.

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Racist Comments by Josh Huestis

Your analysis is so racist that I would be LOL if it weren’t such a serious subject. Josh, I’m not saying you’re a bigot, but you certainly do think along stereotypical racist lines. Before I get into that, let me once again state your comparison of Hansbrough to Madsen is not only racist, it’s absurd. Other than race and position, they have nothing in common. If I had to compare Hansbrough with a current NBA power forward, I would pick Leon Powe.

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Josh H. wrote, " because alot of the white players do play like other white players and alot of black players play like alot of black players i cant think of too many white guys that play like black guys and vice versa...and out of all the nba white guys how many of them are overly athletic? how many college white pg play like any black nba point guards?"

Josh, how do white players play? How do black players play? How does a black point guard play? How does a white point guard play?

If you only knew how stupid those comments are, this could be a more productive discussion. I wish I could go into details about how foolish you sound, but it wouldn’t do any good.

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him and powe play nothing

him and powe play nothing alike for one and 2 and can already see that youre one of those people who try to make something basic into a rascist issue..in youre opinon lary bird would would be considered rascist for saying he always felt offended when a coach had a white guy checking him..also you would also consider alot of peopel including gm rascist because they also compare hansboro to madsen..also pretty much youre opnion isnt really shared by many therefore im not longer gonna entertain you in a debate..peace

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Racist Comments by Josh Huestis

Josh, all you have to do is read your own comments, they speak for themselves. I never knew there were different types of games for white and black players. If you read your own comments again, maybe you'll see why you think and talk like a true racist. But then again, you can't even have an open and honest discussion so I guess it really doesn't matter. Keep making excuses, that will go a long way in life.

Hey Josh, if you forgot what you wrote, here it is again.

Josh H wrote, " because alot of the white players do play like other white players and alot of black players play like alot of black players i cant think of too many white guys that play like black guys and vice versa...and out of all the nba white guys how many of them are overly athletic? how many college white pg play like any black nba point guards?"

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josh youre racist against

josh youre racist against youre own people..lol..but really i feel ya on the madsen thing..everyone i know back in cali,utah, and especially isreal come up wit that same madsen comparision..whats real funny is that steve wojo also said last year that that same comparision is a pretty good comparision..so he must be racist..if you listen to that guy u must hate youre wife and half way hate youre kids josh..lol...but really why even respond to him let him tell his nonesense to hisself

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Racist Comments by Josh Huestis

Hey Bryant, thanks for getting into the conversation and showing no understanding at all about the points of this discussion. By the way, no one group has a monopoly on racism. In other words, there are black and white racists. By the way Bryant, maybe you can explain why Josh wrote the following and why you don't think that's racism.

Josh H wrote, " because alot of the white players do play like other white players and alot of black players play like alot of black players i cant think of too many white guys that play like black guys and vice versa...and out of all the nba white guys how many of them are overly athletic? how many college white pg play like any black nba point guards?"

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ive been a unc fan for 25 years and ive been to 70 percent of there home games every year..first id like to say that alot of the fans there do consider tyler to be a rich mans mark madson..it has nothing to do with being racism its just a fact rtbt ..as far as josh comment i dont find it racist at all..in no way is he talking down on black or white players or making it out to seem that one race is better then the other..maybe he could have worded it different but im not offended one bit an neither is anyone in my office...you may be just be a lil sensitive on the subject rtbt..just because you have a different view on the subject doesnt make the other person a racist...if i said " if you test the verticals of all the races in the nba i think te black players on average will have the highest verticals" would that make me a racist in youre opinion?when i think of mike miller or john stockton i cant really think of any black players i would compare them to. thats just how it is and i cant see how that can make me a racist

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If forced to decide between

If forced to decide between the two, i would take Hansbrough for the production...
But, if it came down to my teams last pick and they were both still there, i wouldn't take either. No legitimate potential on either, both are undersized and unathletic. And i guess the fact that i dislike them both would come into play...

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UncFan23,

We certainly disagree, but let me try to make one point very clear. I didn't call anyone a racist because they compared Hansbrough to Madsen, I said that was a racist statement. There's a big difference between describing a statement as racist, versus saying the person who said it is a racist. Let me repeat this, I didn't accuse Josh of being a racist because he made those comments about Madsen. Thanks for your contribution to the discussion, I think that was a good observation on your part.

I accused Josh of racism when he wrote the following:

" because alot of the white players do play like other white players and alot of black players play like alot of black players i cant think of too many white guys that play like black guys and vice versa...and out of all the nba white guys how many of them are overly athletic? how many college white pg play like any black nba point guards?"

The above is without doubt a series of absurd statements that are heavily masked in racism. There is no such thing as how a white guy or a black guy plays the game, they're all individuals.

As for the leaping ability issue raised in your message, what about "The Birdman", Rudy Fernandez, Joel Alexander, David Lee, M. Ginoblli, etc. I could also give you a list of black guys in the NBA who can't jump 6 inches off the ground.

While we're on the subject, I should also point out that 90% of the Olympic world class High Jumpers, guys who can leap 7 ft 7 to 7 ft 9 inches off the ground, are white! Volleyball also has some great leapers, I think one of them is named Chase Budinger.

I'm not saying you or your office buddies are racists, but I really think you need to analyze the factual basis behind your statements.

As for the similarities between Madsen and Hansbrough, that's completely absurd. If I were comparing power forwards with Hansbrough, Mark Madsen would probably be at the bottom of the list. Mark Madsen has zero offense, his contribution to the team is purely hustle, drive, and enthusiasm. In sum, he has virtually no skills that one would normally associate with an NBA player.

In sharp contrast to Madsen, Hansbrough is a National Player of the Year on an NCAA Championship Caliber team. He was a monster force on offense and was double or triple teamed virtually his entire career. When teams played NC, their primary focus was stopping or slowing down Hansbrough.

I don't think Madsen was ever double teamed at any point in his career. Mark Madsen was nothing more than an above average player at Stanford, where the only way he scored was to grab an offensive rebound and lay it back in. He couldn't score in college and incredibly, he is even worse in the NBA.

In my opinion, the only reason anyone would compare these two players is the fact that they're white power forwards. Other than the position they play and their race, there are no similarities in their game.

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people compare them becasuse

people compare them becasuse neither is very athletic and both work very hard and neither are projected to be starters..both are projected to be players it stay int he leauge for years and years comeing off the bench

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exactly B.....anyway back to

exactly B.....anyway back to the original subject...i would draft hansboro because of the fact that hes gonna give you his all and my team (the lake show) could really use that right now because even though gasol is talented he is very soft and no one off the bench that plays downlow is really much of a banger except benga but he doesnt play much in the playoffs and ive noticed hes starting to tak emore and more jumpers....oh i forgot about bynum but hes still getting his wind back

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Madsen and Hansbrough

Well Bryant, we certainly disagree again. Mark Madsen is an excellent leaper and a pretty good athlete, he just doesn't have any basketball skills. As for Hansbrough, everything I read from knowledgeable people suggests he's a better athlete than people on this site give him credit for.

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i must agree on that from

i must agree on that from watching hansboro he is a tad bit better athlete then people think....now that i really think about it another player i think he could be similar too is udonus haslem..if he learns to consistantly hit the jumper...but that might be a strecth because reports are that his arms are pretty short and hes already nearing the beginning of his prime which means he doesnt have alot of room for growth in his abilities

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harangody does kinda remind

harangody does kinda remind me of linas when he was at mizzu

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Harangody vs Hansbrough - Excellent Role Players

All of their shortcomings people mention here were the same things everybody said about them in college. Did that stop them? They were constantly double teamed and despite their so called physical limitations, they were usually outstanding. That should tell you they are two guys who have the drive to succeed.

Unfortunately, at the NBA level those shortcomings will be highlighted and that's why they won't be stars at the next level. However, they can still become valuable role players who can rebound and score, that's a valuable combination.

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ive read all these post and

ive read all these post and i dont recall anyone saying that these two players will be bums int he nba..the closest thing was luke being too shot happy....and in college if you work hard you can get away with not having alot of skills..we had a couple guys on my team at utah like that

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yeah one of them was

yeah one of them was you...oh wait you said guys that worked hard..lol

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