[SlickBouncePassParticipant]

I have the League Pass free preview and its awesome.

A superstar player makes everyone around him better while still getting his own against anyone.  I know I’ll get negged, but Anthony Davis, I watched the Pelicans play in the playoffs last year…is pretty casual out there on the court.  I saw huge potential in him during the HS AS games, back when Austin Rivers was considered "the best player his year".  

BUTTT….Anthony Davis doesn’t play with enough heart for me.  He plays casual.  He plays soft.  I feel like he could dominate games but defers to his teammates too much, is off to the side too much.  He is someone that needs to throw down an amazing dunk here and there, whats going on with that, why can’t he throw down a power dunk?  Anthony Davis could absolutely dominate games but something is missing.

Also, for the Boston Fans, what about Marcus Smart makes you think he’s an All-Star?  He has an inconsistent shot, his IQ isn’t there, he doesn’t have great vision which means he doesn’t make his teammates better, even his handle is subpar.  Yes, he’s big and imposing, but he is not a great finisher at the rim.  He is an energy guy, energy guys are not all-stars without skill or IQ.

 

Random comment…Anyone see Okafor getting frustrated with how stupid his teammates play the game?  The big man reminds me of Duncan with his poise and command, I think he’s the natural leader on the team, not Noel.  Brett Brown is gonna realize he’s gotta feed him the ball in half court sets, slow down the game, the team sucks in transition defense.  Lower the score, don’t turn the ball over, the best way for the team to learn is to stay in close games…but lose, please, lose.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[ChicagoCaseyParticipant]

 LOL.You made a thread about players that haven’t arrived yet and say Anthony Davis. I have to disagree with you. If you watch last year you would disagree with what you said. Nobody predicted that the Pelicans will be a playoffs team and Anthony Davis took the team to the playoffs with their starting point guard out half the season, Ryan Anderson out most of the season, no bench, and an incompentent coach that would rather call a iso play for Tyreke Evans and Eric Gordon than give him the ball.

One thing I’m getting sick and tired of is the lable "soft". What exactly make a player "soft" and just because you are not fiery as a Russell Westbrook and not as aggressive as a player like LeBron doesn’t make you a "soft" player. I hear a lot of people for years giving the "soft" lable to Blake Griffin, Steph Curry, and Kevin Durant. I just laugh at those people because the people that call them soft doesn’t even know why they are "soft".

 

 

[ChicagoCaseyParticipant]

 LOL.You made a thread about players that haven’t arrived yet and say Anthony Davis. I have to disagree with you. If you watch last year you would disagree with what you said. Nobody predicted that the Pelicans will be a playoffs team and Anthony Davis took the team to the playoffs with their starting point guard out half the season, Ryan Anderson out most of the season, no bench, and an incompentent coach that would rather call a iso play for Tyreke Evans and Eric Gordon than give him the ball.

One thing I’m getting sick and tired of is the lable "soft". What exactly make a player "soft" and just because you are not fiery as a Russell Westbrook and not as aggressive as a player like LeBron doesn’t make you a "soft" player. I hear a lot of people for years giving the "soft" lable to Blake Griffin, Steph Curry, and Kevin Durant. I just laugh at those people because the people that call them soft doesn’t even know why they are "soft".

 

 

[SlickBouncePassParticipant]

I didn’t see much of Davis during the regular season last year, but in the playoffs he did not impress me at all.  Before the hype I saw a guy with elite athleticism and size, he still has the freakish size, but I honestly question his athleticism and his Will to take over a game.  I also question his strength and tenacity.  He has all the talent in the world, but You have to play aggressive, mean, and take over games.  Be like Lakers-Shaq, be a force.  Your teammates and coach need to understand to get you the ball, and you need to ask for it, and run the offense through you, not rely on your average PGs to run the offense.  I used to think the same of Garnett, but I thoguht Davis was different because I saw his unreal power-dunks playing for team USA.  I don’t see that anymore.

Steph Curry isnt’ soft, he is great.  Kevin Durant isn’t soft either, both  have to play with the body type they are born with.  Allen Iverson was a warrior, I woudln’t say Durant and Curry are Warriors, but they’re still brilliant ballers that might not be physically tough.

Blake Griffin is soft because his body is like that of a tank but he refuses to dominate and overwhelm and absorb contact, like Shaq.  I feel like he could absolutely abuse people, but he doesn’t, instead he plays a pretty game.  Even Sullinger took it out on Okafor yesterday, forcing him to fight for position, manhandling the boy.  So playing tough, absorbing contact, using that God-gifted body, thats not soft.  Built like a tank and playing pretty, that is soft.  

Its a matter of preference, doesn’t mean you can’t be great if you play soft.  I’m from Philly, we like guys that play with grit.

Anthony Davis can definitely be better than he has shown me from the playoffs and regular season so far.  Pelicans are so bad I dind’t even want to watch them on League Pass yesterday.  Who wants to see Anthony Davis with a blank stare watching from the corner (not demanding the ball), at his PG putting up bad shots.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[SlickBouncePassParticipant]

I didn’t see much of Davis during the regular season last year, but in the playoffs he did not impress me at all.  Before the hype I saw a guy with elite athleticism and size, he still has the freakish size, but I honestly question his athleticism and his Will to take over a game.  I also question his strength and tenacity.  He has all the talent in the world, but You have to play aggressive, mean, and take over games.  Be like Lakers-Shaq, be a force.  Your teammates and coach need to understand to get you the ball, and you need to ask for it, and run the offense through you, not rely on your average PGs to run the offense.  I used to think the same of Garnett, but I thoguht Davis was different because I saw his unreal power-dunks playing for team USA.  I don’t see that anymore.

Steph Curry isnt’ soft, he is great.  Kevin Durant isn’t soft either, both  have to play with the body type they are born with.  Allen Iverson was a warrior, I woudln’t say Durant and Curry are Warriors, but they’re still brilliant ballers that might not be physically tough.

Blake Griffin is soft because his body is like that of a tank but he refuses to dominate and overwhelm and absorb contact, like Shaq.  I feel like he could absolutely abuse people, but he doesn’t, instead he plays a pretty game.  Even Sullinger took it out on Okafor yesterday, forcing him to fight for position, manhandling the boy.  So playing tough, absorbing contact, using that God-gifted body, thats not soft.  Built like a tank and playing pretty, that is soft.  

Its a matter of preference, doesn’t mean you can’t be great if you play soft.  I’m from Philly, we like guys that play with grit.

Anthony Davis can definitely be better than he has shown me from the playoffs and regular season so far.  Pelicans are so bad I dind’t even want to watch them on League Pass yesterday.  Who wants to see Anthony Davis with a blank stare watching from the corner (not demanding the ball), at his PG putting up bad shots.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[ChicagoCaseyParticipant]

 LOL. Everybody calls Kevin Durant and Steph Curry soft. You are trying to make your point that Anthony Davis isn’t good or can’t win because he’s soft, but you can’t make that argument because Steph Curry and Kevin  Durant are both labled "soft"

[ChicagoCaseyParticipant]

 LOL. Everybody calls Kevin Durant and Steph Curry soft. You are trying to make your point that Anthony Davis isn’t good or can’t win because he’s soft, but you can’t make that argument because Steph Curry and Kevin  Durant are both labled "soft"

[SlickBouncePassParticipant]

I said Anthony Davis is potentially great but I think he is overrated right now.  All you hear right now is "he’s an MVP"…. he’s an excellent ballplayer, but he’s overrated if you’re gonna put him at all time possible MVP status.  Come on man, even Steve Nash (questionable MVP), absolutely controlled his team’s games, while Davis is just too casual.  He’s a very good player.

I think you are misusing the term soft.  Did I even use it?  Lol.

Let me explain this way…

1. Lebron – beast, plays hard, controls the game, lifts his teammates.

2. Curry – otherwordly skill, plays within the tempo of his offense, is the man, inspires teammates.

3. Westbrook – see above just without hte IQ and shot of Curry.

4. Harden – focal point of his offense.  Can take over a game if needed.

5. Davis/Durant – if you wanna put them up there with 1 and 2, then have the offense run through them and have them take over games nightly.  Right now, they play soft.

6. Cousins

7.  Griffin/Aldridge

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  

[SlickBouncePassParticipant]

I said Anthony Davis is potentially great but I think he is overrated right now.  All you hear right now is "he’s an MVP"…. he’s an excellent ballplayer, but he’s overrated if you’re gonna put him at all time possible MVP status.  Come on man, even Steve Nash (questionable MVP), absolutely controlled his team’s games, while Davis is just too casual.  He’s a very good player.

I think you are misusing the term soft.  Did I even use it?  Lol.

Let me explain this way…

1. Lebron – beast, plays hard, controls the game, lifts his teammates.

2. Curry – otherwordly skill, plays within the tempo of his offense, is the man, inspires teammates.

3. Westbrook – see above just without hte IQ and shot of Curry.

4. Harden – focal point of his offense.  Can take over a game if needed.

5. Davis/Durant – if you wanna put them up there with 1 and 2, then have the offense run through them and have them take over games nightly.  Right now, they play soft.

6. Cousins

7.  Griffin/Aldridge

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  

[markfitz14Participant]

His defense is bonkers. Can guard PG, SG and SF. Thats huge. His passing, handling and shoting are decent. The shot is not broken just needs work. He can be that sort of all around PG. Won’t be a scoring guard. He will let us know if he can improve that scoring enough this year. I project that he will break out the second half of the season. 17pts 1.5 3pt 6 ast and 6reb and the big one is 2 stls.  

[markfitz14Participant]

His defense is bonkers. Can guard PG, SG and SF. Thats huge. His passing, handling and shoting are decent. The shot is not broken just needs work. He can be that sort of all around PG. Won’t be a scoring guard. He will let us know if he can improve that scoring enough this year. I project that he will break out the second half of the season. 17pts 1.5 3pt 6 ast and 6reb and the big one is 2 stls.  

[tuck243Participant]

and the only thing that can equate to not demanding the ball when it should be in your hands is "soft".   Personally, as I’m looking at Anthony Davis and his game I have to start beginning to ask who he remind me of?  He reminds me of KG in his previous Timberwolves days. NO ONE in here would call KG soft as far as his demeanor.  But it terms of demanding the ball when he should?  He was soft.   I remember watching KG go through 10 straight possessions in the playoffs and not touch the ball once.   He had no issue with it either.   He also didn’t dominate his man offensively like that. This is why he had a lot of first round exits.  These are all things similar to Anthony Davis.  He gets his stats and play within the game, but it’s like he prefers to play through his teammates than them playing through him.  KG was like that throughout his entire career, difference is Anthony is YOUNG.  He’s better than KG was at this stage of his career, but Anthony isn’t there "yet". 

So I guess he’s missing that selfishness…  The willingness to get his and win games like that.   That’s something that can be learned.  (although KG never did…  Outside of those 2 straight years, but then he would go through stints during those seasons and playoffs like he rather be the second option).    I think Anthony will be cool, but that’s just his next step as a player.  That and post moves… 

[tuck243Participant]

and the only thing that can equate to not demanding the ball when it should be in your hands is "soft".   Personally, as I’m looking at Anthony Davis and his game I have to start beginning to ask who he remind me of?  He reminds me of KG in his previous Timberwolves days. NO ONE in here would call KG soft as far as his demeanor.  But it terms of demanding the ball when he should?  He was soft.   I remember watching KG go through 10 straight possessions in the playoffs and not touch the ball once.   He had no issue with it either.   He also didn’t dominate his man offensively like that. This is why he had a lot of first round exits.  These are all things similar to Anthony Davis.  He gets his stats and play within the game, but it’s like he prefers to play through his teammates than them playing through him.  KG was like that throughout his entire career, difference is Anthony is YOUNG.  He’s better than KG was at this stage of his career, but Anthony isn’t there "yet". 

So I guess he’s missing that selfishness…  The willingness to get his and win games like that.   That’s something that can be learned.  (although KG never did…  Outside of those 2 straight years, but then he would go through stints during those seasons and playoffs like he rather be the second option).    I think Anthony will be cool, but that’s just his next step as a player.  That and post moves… 

[SlickBouncePassParticipant]

he always reminded me of KG, and i think he may be better, and KG is an all-timer. 

btw, I never saw KG as that really tough warrior type (which he is I respect his game and defensive tenacity and he is a basketball lifer), until he was playing with other greats like PP and Ray Allen and Rondo in Boston.  He was a focal point of that team, but I didn’t see that in Minnesota.  Now I love his passion.

In Minnesota he was kinda like Kevin Love as far as toughness.  I think in Minnesota he honestly lacked a self-Identity.  He was outshined by guys like Kobe and Shaq, two guys that played with incredible toughness together, and Duncan in overall greatness.  

I believe in Anthony Davis, I just don’t think he’s on that pedestal yet.  

 

 

  

[SlickBouncePassParticipant]

he always reminded me of KG, and i think he may be better, and KG is an all-timer. 

btw, I never saw KG as that really tough warrior type (which he is I respect his game and defensive tenacity and he is a basketball lifer), until he was playing with other greats like PP and Ray Allen and Rondo in Boston.  He was a focal point of that team, but I didn’t see that in Minnesota.  Now I love his passion.

In Minnesota he was kinda like Kevin Love as far as toughness.  I think in Minnesota he honestly lacked a self-Identity.  He was outshined by guys like Kobe and Shaq, two guys that played with incredible toughness together, and Duncan in overall greatness.  

I believe in Anthony Davis, I just don’t think he’s on that pedestal yet.  

 

 

  

[I May Be WrongParticipant]

"Butter" Benjamin has not arrived yet. He’s my 6’5" shooting guard son that has not been born yet. Deadily 3-point shooter with an excellent feel for the game and strippers. Expected arrival time is January 2034. Just need my wife to stay playin’ and come back in life first.

 

 

 

[I May Be WrongParticipant]

"Butter" Benjamin has not arrived yet. He’s my 6’5" shooting guard son that has not been born yet. Deadily 3-point shooter with an excellent feel for the game and strippers. Expected arrival time is January 2034. Just need my wife to stay playin’ and come back in life first.

 

 

 

[T Rex]

 I agree about Anthony Davis. He’s a cream puff defensively even though he blocks shots. He’s even a cream puff against power forwards, nevermind centers. 

Now he spends the entire summer working on his 3 point shot so he can be more of a cream puff.

Noel last night looked like a tougher AD who doesn’t require set plays to be effective on offense, and Noel’s opposing fg%’s were way better than Davis’ last year, even though Noel was a rookie.

As far as Smart, you don’t know what you’re talking about. For one thing, All Stars are voted by fans, so it doesn’t really mean sh1t anyway. Guys like Kobe and KG and Pierce get voted All Stars for years after they stop deserving it. Then the subs are chosen by a biased coach who will usually pick his own players, or somebody who puts up offensive stats on a team that isn’t the all star coach’s #1 or #2 rival.

Guards that are defensively dominant rarely make all star games, unless they put up better offensive stats than some guard who plays zero defense and doesn’t make near the same impact in +/- and other advanced stats as the defensively dominant guard.

And then the fantasy basketball culture doesn’t help either, totally distorting fans like you’s view of what a good player looks like.

Smart’s career record as a starter is already something like 63% winning %.

Rondo and Green got shipped out, Smart was inserted into the starting lineup, and instead of falling apart like people like you thought would happen, the Celtics just dominated and made the playoffs. If the season had lasted another two weeks the Celtics would have had home court advantage.

Smart had the second best Real Plus Minus among 2015 draft class rookies last year, just barely behind Nurkic and still like #33 overall in the entire league.

Meanwhile your favorite rookies probably played trash defense and made trash level impact, regardless of the empty stats they might have put up.

Now Smart’s come back even better, defensively but especially offensively, even though he shot better from 3, and on waaay more attempts, than guys like Westbrook and Wade have ever shot in any season in their career.

Then you add Smart’s clutch 4th quarter play, either hitting game winners or making game winning plays, as the Celtics won probably more close (5 points or less) games than any team in the NBA.

You can keep your all stars, I’ll keep the perennial DPOY candidate with the infectious energy, toughness, leadership, and clutch confidence.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[T Rex]

 I agree about Anthony Davis. He’s a cream puff defensively even though he blocks shots. He’s even a cream puff against power forwards, nevermind centers. 

Now he spends the entire summer working on his 3 point shot so he can be more of a cream puff.

Noel last night looked like a tougher AD who doesn’t require set plays to be effective on offense, and Noel’s opposing fg%’s were way better than Davis’ last year, even though Noel was a rookie.

As far as Smart, you don’t know what you’re talking about. For one thing, All Stars are voted by fans, so it doesn’t really mean sh1t anyway. Guys like Kobe and KG and Pierce get voted All Stars for years after they stop deserving it. Then the subs are chosen by a biased coach who will usually pick his own players, or somebody who puts up offensive stats on a team that isn’t the all star coach’s #1 or #2 rival.

Guards that are defensively dominant rarely make all star games, unless they put up better offensive stats than some guard who plays zero defense and doesn’t make near the same impact in +/- and other advanced stats as the defensively dominant guard.

And then the fantasy basketball culture doesn’t help either, totally distorting fans like you’s view of what a good player looks like.

Smart’s career record as a starter is already something like 63% winning %.

Rondo and Green got shipped out, Smart was inserted into the starting lineup, and instead of falling apart like people like you thought would happen, the Celtics just dominated and made the playoffs. If the season had lasted another two weeks the Celtics would have had home court advantage.

Smart had the second best Real Plus Minus among 2015 draft class rookies last year, just barely behind Nurkic and still like #33 overall in the entire league.

Meanwhile your favorite rookies probably played trash defense and made trash level impact, regardless of the empty stats they might have put up.

Now Smart’s come back even better, defensively but especially offensively, even though he shot better from 3, and on waaay more attempts, than guys like Westbrook and Wade have ever shot in any season in their career.

Then you add Smart’s clutch 4th quarter play, either hitting game winners or making game winning plays, as the Celtics won probably more close (5 points or less) games than any team in the NBA.

You can keep your all stars, I’ll keep the perennial DPOY candidate with the infectious energy, toughness, leadership, and clutch confidence.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[ChicagoCaseyParticipant]

 Of course the almight troll "T-Rex" will agree. LOL

[ChicagoCaseyParticipant]

 Of course the almight troll "T-Rex" will agree. LOL

[trombonematrix43Participant]

All Hail the magic conch…I mean t-rex.

[trombonematrix43Participant]

All Hail the magic conch…I mean t-rex.

[SlickBouncePassParticipant]

i’ll watch him some more, and I agree defensive specialists are underrated.

But I saw one exchange where Canaan hit a nice smooth 3.  Smart comes back and jacks up his own ugly 3 (low IQ), and it was just ugly.  Guys like that, are more football players than basketball players.  He plays hard, hit big shots because he’s not afraid to take them, but usually, at the detriment of his own team.  He will miss more than he makes but he applauded because of his giant ballsack.

Westbrook is awesome, but that team won’t win a championship ever (as long as smart teams are in the league) because of all the bonehead shots he takes.  The offense needs to get KD more shots, just like NO needs to get Davis more good looks, and soon Philly will need to work around Okafor.  These guys should be the axis of the offense, and too often other guards who are not that (like Smart), try to be that guy, when they are not.  

 

Westbrook is freakin great as he is, but I still think he could be a much better ballplayer if he had a higher IQ.  

Smart is nowhere near Westbrook.  

 

 

 

 

  

[SlickBouncePassParticipant]

i’ll watch him some more, and I agree defensive specialists are underrated.

But I saw one exchange where Canaan hit a nice smooth 3.  Smart comes back and jacks up his own ugly 3 (low IQ), and it was just ugly.  Guys like that, are more football players than basketball players.  He plays hard, hit big shots because he’s not afraid to take them, but usually, at the detriment of his own team.  He will miss more than he makes but he applauded because of his giant ballsack.

Westbrook is awesome, but that team won’t win a championship ever (as long as smart teams are in the league) because of all the bonehead shots he takes.  The offense needs to get KD more shots, just like NO needs to get Davis more good looks, and soon Philly will need to work around Okafor.  These guys should be the axis of the offense, and too often other guards who are not that (like Smart), try to be that guy, when they are not.  

 

Westbrook is freakin great as he is, but I still think he could be a much better ballplayer if he had a higher IQ.  

Smart is nowhere near Westbrook.  

 

 

 

 

  

[T Rex]

 Smart is already a much much much better defender than Westbrook, but once again, defense doesn’t even cross your mind.

And congrats on watching a few minutes of a game and reporting on how Smart’s shot "looked".

 

 

 

[T Rex]

 Smart is already a much much much better defender than Westbrook, but once again, defense doesn’t even cross your mind.

And congrats on watching a few minutes of a game and reporting on how Smart’s shot "looked".

 

 

 

[SlickBouncePassParticipant]

 Westbrook vs. Smart – come on now.

Smart’s shot I’ve seen more than enough in college to the present.  Its not a pretty shot, he’s an energy guy.  There is no way he will ever be considered for a 3-pt contest.  

Smart’s shot is like Lebron’s…they get applauded for having no conscience, but in reality before they shoot there’s a doubt that comes to mind.  I’m not a hater, if I thoguht he was a good shooter I’d say so.  I don’t think he can.  

He’s serviceable, I’d put Westbrook and Lebron’s shots above his.  Its just that Westbrook and Lebron are 10x the player Smart is.  

 

 

 

[SlickBouncePassParticipant]

 Westbrook vs. Smart – come on now.

Smart’s shot I’ve seen more than enough in college to the present.  Its not a pretty shot, he’s an energy guy.  There is no way he will ever be considered for a 3-pt contest.  

Smart’s shot is like Lebron’s…they get applauded for having no conscience, but in reality before they shoot there’s a doubt that comes to mind.  I’m not a hater, if I thoguht he was a good shooter I’d say so.  I don’t think he can.  

He’s serviceable, I’d put Westbrook and Lebron’s shots above his.  Its just that Westbrook and Lebron are 10x the player Smart is.  

 

 

 

[ZachAttackParticipant]

Hey T, You know that coaches aren’t allowed to vote for their own players for the All Star game right?

[ZachAttackParticipant]

Hey T, You know that coaches aren’t allowed to vote for their own players for the All Star game right?

[BlueLacesParticipant]

And to piggy back off of that, the coach of the all-star game doesn’t have anything to do with picking who plays unless a starter is injured. And Paul Pierce has played in 10 all-star games but was never a starter. Soooo T Rex, I don’t think you know what you are talking about. Troll on.

[BlueLacesParticipant]

And to piggy back off of that, the coach of the all-star game doesn’t have anything to do with picking who plays unless a starter is injured. And Paul Pierce has played in 10 all-star games but was never a starter. Soooo T Rex, I don’t think you know what you are talking about. Troll on.

[T Rex]

 Who said anything about playing time in the all star game, troll?

We were talking about all stars, not how many minutes those all stars play in the exhibition game.

People need to be spoon-fed to know who is good or not. Either they need to be told that the player is an all star, an inexact science to say the least, or they need to see flashy simple stats like points per game.

Then they base their opinions on who is a good defender on blocks per game, steals per game, or sportscenter highlights.

And of course Zach is super-jealous that his Jazz passed on Marcus Smart, and then drafted Trey Lyles too high this year, leaving also-drafted-too-high Trey Burke as their starting matador.

You fantasy basketball dorks should be posting on a fantasy basketball forum, where your simple stats actually mean something.

 

 

[T Rex]

 Who said anything about playing time in the all star game, troll?

We were talking about all stars, not how many minutes those all stars play in the exhibition game.

People need to be spoon-fed to know who is good or not. Either they need to be told that the player is an all star, an inexact science to say the least, or they need to see flashy simple stats like points per game.

Then they base their opinions on who is a good defender on blocks per game, steals per game, or sportscenter highlights.

And of course Zach is super-jealous that his Jazz passed on Marcus Smart, and then drafted Trey Lyles too high this year, leaving also-drafted-too-high Trey Burke as their starting matador.

You fantasy basketball dorks should be posting on a fantasy basketball forum, where your simple stats actually mean something.

 

 

[Magic JordanParticipant]

 Way to point to Smarts winning % as an indicator of his contribution.  Adam Morrison at one point in time had a great winning %.  Hell he even has a ring.  You’ve routinely called Smart James Harden with defense which is just complete homer non sense.  Better defender than Westbrook right now?  That’s laughable.  It’s an apples to oranges comparison.  Westbrook runs his team, uses insanely high amount of possessions and is a focal point of offense which makes up 50% of a basketball game, give or take.  Comparing someone who isn’t even the best guard on his team… is asked to do very little creating (mostly because he can’t) to a player like Westbrook is the reason everybody hates you.  You try to point to advanced stats and yadayada, I love them too so I get it.  But when you follow up your statistics with such stupid remarks it nullifies them.  

Is it crazy to think that a player who is by all means a defensive specialist, and most likely will be for his whole career is a better defender than one of the best players in the game?  No it’s probably not, but what are you trying to prove in saying that.  Pat Beverly is a better defender than Smart…. so he is god.

The irony here is you accusing someone of watching a few minutes of a game, yet I would be surprised if you have watched any of the player who fucked your girlfriend… D Russell (queue your predictable "Why would I watch him" response).   It’s clear all you do is watch Celtic games and check box scores.  Then you blast someone for saying the same.

You’re not as smart as you think you are.  How can you accuse someone of being a fantasy basketball dork when statistics are literally all you focus on.  You’re so simple minded, I bet you have given your family (assuming they didn’t abandon you) real reason to be proud of you in your life.

 

 

 

[T Rex]

 The real irony is that you probably desperately wanted Smart to fall ONE more spot to the Lakers at 7, but instead we snatched him out of your hands, and you got stuck with Randle, then short buss fckt up again by drafting D’Immobile Russell because he thought he was the next Laker superstar.

The only thing you have to look forward to, after losing to the lowly Wolves despite home court, is that your team will once again have a top lottery pick next year.

All you can do is pray buss doesn’t fck it up again.

And you know by now that I’ve been exactly right all along about Russell.

And you know by now that he’s not turning into Brandon Roy, and that he doesn’t have James Harden non-elite athleticism, lol.

And what’s with the new hairdo ever other day? Maybe he just likes spending a lot of time at the beauty parlor.

 

[Jr. ROXASParticipant]

MagicJordan just busted you by citing that Adam Morrisson stat, and of course you choose not to respond to it. And again, of course you respond instead with a lot of D’angelo Russel hate. Quit accusing people of beinig "fantasy dorks" if you yourself are one, DORK. 

 

 

[Jr. ROXASParticipant]

MagicJordan just busted you by citing that Adam Morrisson stat, and of course you choose not to respond to it. And again, of course you respond instead with a lot of D’angelo Russel hate. Quit accusing people of beinig "fantasy dorks" if you yourself are one, DORK. 

 

 

[T Rex]

 I don’t play fantasy basketball.

And yeah, he busted me pointing out that Smart replaced Rondo in the starting lineup and the team went from winning 33% of it’s games to 67% of it’s games and making the playoffs.

So busted. 

 

 

[T Rex]

 I don’t play fantasy basketball.

And yeah, he busted me pointing out that Smart replaced Rondo in the starting lineup and the team went from winning 33% of it’s games to 67% of it’s games and making the playoffs.

So busted. 

 

 

[T Rex]

 The real irony is that you probably desperately wanted Smart to fall ONE more spot to the Lakers at 7, but instead we snatched him out of your hands, and you got stuck with Randle, then short buss fckt up again by drafting D’Immobile Russell because he thought he was the next Laker superstar.

The only thing you have to look forward to, after losing to the lowly Wolves despite home court, is that your team will once again have a top lottery pick next year.

All you can do is pray buss doesn’t fck it up again.

And you know by now that I’ve been exactly right all along about Russell.

And you know by now that he’s not turning into Brandon Roy, and that he doesn’t have James Harden non-elite athleticism, lol.

And what’s with the new hairdo ever other day? Maybe he just likes spending a lot of time at the beauty parlor.

 

[T Rex]

 You also act like I couldn’t possibly be watching Lakers games, or surely I’d see how much Russell’s swag impacts the game, lol.

[Magic JordanParticipant]

 Nope, I would most definitely not have Smart over Randle.  A defensive role player that is a sub 35% 3 point shooter with little to no playmaking ability?  Those guys can be found relatively easy.  I’ll take the playmaker from the 4 position.  The notion that Smart who played 2 years at college, and the majority of his rookie season is going to be better than Randle is stupid to me.  He should be better right now, and he is only slightly… if that.

No I am not acting like you COULDN’T watch Laker game… I am simply saying you don’t.  How could you possibly find time in between cranking down to Marcus Smart, Terry Rozier, Jordan Mickey, Andrew Harrison and Dakari Johnson highlights?  

Russell has been severly underwhelming… and it would be easy to look at the box scores and say the non sense you say.  If you watch a game you will see it is really nothing more than Byron Scott doing Byron Scott things.  Giving the green light to Kobe and sticking Russell in the corner.  Over and over.  There isn’t really much more to it than that.  If Russell had the green light that the other rookies do (aka no freaking Kobe Bryant on their team) he would like fine.  Watch a game, stop looking at the box scores you Fantasy Basketball troll.

 

 

[Magic JordanParticipant]

 Nope, I would most definitely not have Smart over Randle.  A defensive role player that is a sub 35% 3 point shooter with little to no playmaking ability?  Those guys can be found relatively easy.  I’ll take the playmaker from the 4 position.  The notion that Smart who played 2 years at college, and the majority of his rookie season is going to be better than Randle is stupid to me.  He should be better right now, and he is only slightly… if that.

No I am not acting like you COULDN’T watch Laker game… I am simply saying you don’t.  How could you possibly find time in between cranking down to Marcus Smart, Terry Rozier, Jordan Mickey, Andrew Harrison and Dakari Johnson highlights?  

Russell has been severly underwhelming… and it would be easy to look at the box scores and say the non sense you say.  If you watch a game you will see it is really nothing more than Byron Scott doing Byron Scott things.  Giving the green light to Kobe and sticking Russell in the corner.  Over and over.  There isn’t really much more to it than that.  If Russell had the green light that the other rookies do (aka no freaking Kobe Bryant on their team) he would like fine.  Watch a game, stop looking at the box scores you Fantasy Basketball troll.

 

 

[T Rex]

 You also act like I couldn’t possibly be watching Lakers games, or surely I’d see how much Russell’s swag impacts the game, lol.

[Magic JordanParticipant]

 Way to point to Smarts winning % as an indicator of his contribution.  Adam Morrison at one point in time had a great winning %.  Hell he even has a ring.  You’ve routinely called Smart James Harden with defense which is just complete homer non sense.  Better defender than Westbrook right now?  That’s laughable.  It’s an apples to oranges comparison.  Westbrook runs his team, uses insanely high amount of possessions and is a focal point of offense which makes up 50% of a basketball game, give or take.  Comparing someone who isn’t even the best guard on his team… is asked to do very little creating (mostly because he can’t) to a player like Westbrook is the reason everybody hates you.  You try to point to advanced stats and yadayada, I love them too so I get it.  But when you follow up your statistics with such stupid remarks it nullifies them.  

Is it crazy to think that a player who is by all means a defensive specialist, and most likely will be for his whole career is a better defender than one of the best players in the game?  No it’s probably not, but what are you trying to prove in saying that.  Pat Beverly is a better defender than Smart…. so he is god.

The irony here is you accusing someone of watching a few minutes of a game, yet I would be surprised if you have watched any of the player who fucked your girlfriend… D Russell (queue your predictable "Why would I watch him" response).   It’s clear all you do is watch Celtic games and check box scores.  Then you blast someone for saying the same.

You’re not as smart as you think you are.  How can you accuse someone of being a fantasy basketball dork when statistics are literally all you focus on.  You’re so simple minded, I bet you have given your family (assuming they didn’t abandon you) real reason to be proud of you in your life.

 

 

 

[ZachAttackParticipant]

 Hold up… First of all, Raul Neto started last night for the Jazz, not Trey Burke. And I admitted to you that I wished the Jazz picked Marcus Smart, but you’re making me regret saying that EVERY SINGLE DAY!!! I’m starting to think that Marcus Smart is going to be just another one of those garbage Kelly Olynyk, RJ Hunter, or Terry Rozier type players (if you know what I mean).

Before I… no you… joined this forum I was a Celtics fan, they were my second team right behind the Jazz. But I hate them more everyday thanks to you. It’s actually really annoying.

 

[ZachAttackParticipant]

 Hold up… First of all, Raul Neto started last night for the Jazz, not Trey Burke. And I admitted to you that I wished the Jazz picked Marcus Smart, but you’re making me regret saying that EVERY SINGLE DAY!!! I’m starting to think that Marcus Smart is going to be just another one of those garbage Kelly Olynyk, RJ Hunter, or Terry Rozier type players (if you know what I mean).

Before I… no you… joined this forum I was a Celtics fan, they were my second team right behind the Jazz. But I hate them more everyday thanks to you. It’s actually really annoying.

 

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

 My pre-rookie year Anthony Davis comparison of 6’10 Kareem/Prime Pervis Ellison is still looking good.

Now if only Jimmer could make a team as a backup 3 point sniper, he would fulfill my Hybrid DaJuan Wagner/Steve Kerr prediction.  Perhaps Jimmer goes to the AmeriLeague to give D Wags a run for his money.  

 

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

 My pre-rookie year Anthony Davis comparison of 6’10 Kareem/Prime Pervis Ellison is still looking good.

Now if only Jimmer could make a team as a backup 3 point sniper, he would fulfill my Hybrid DaJuan Wagner/Steve Kerr prediction.  Perhaps Jimmer goes to the AmeriLeague to give D Wags a run for his money.  

 

[T Rex]

 Giannis is another guy who hasn’t arrived. He’s long, can dribble, and is good for an occasional highlight play, but he’s not great at any one thing, or above average overall.

[T Rex]

 Giannis is another guy who hasn’t arrived. He’s long, can dribble, and is good for an occasional highlight play, but he’s not great at any one thing, or above average overall.

[NBAjunkie81Participant]

 spots… I’m pretty sure Tyreke Evans missed the game… Davis’ personality reminds me of Tim Duncan – the guys who make a big scene can never sustain that…

But your analysis of Okafor was hysterical & true… Okafor really impressed me, I can’t remember the last time I saw a Center that young come out & use 5 different post moves in the first 5 minutes & basically abuse every NBA Vet that tried to guard him… He MUST be double teamed Every time & he is definitely more of a leader than Noel although I like Noel a lot too – much improved shooting the J & even used a couple post moves… But after those two that Phila team 3 thru 12 could not even start on a Summer League team – not an NBA summer league – a N.Y. or Philly summer league of amatuers… 

And I thought Smart would be better – I really liked him coming out of Ok st & he has definitely improved,,, I think part of the problem is that Boston is not committed to Developing him… I want to see how he does this year before I give up on him as a potential impact player – he can def play defense, I luv his physicality… Those are Crucial playoff traits, but he really struggles to create his own shot or open looks for his teammates…

 

 

[NBAjunkie81Participant]

 spots… I’m pretty sure Tyreke Evans missed the game… Davis’ personality reminds me of Tim Duncan – the guys who make a big scene can never sustain that…

But your analysis of Okafor was hysterical & true… Okafor really impressed me, I can’t remember the last time I saw a Center that young come out & use 5 different post moves in the first 5 minutes & basically abuse every NBA Vet that tried to guard him… He MUST be double teamed Every time & he is definitely more of a leader than Noel although I like Noel a lot too – much improved shooting the J & even used a couple post moves… But after those two that Phila team 3 thru 12 could not even start on a Summer League team – not an NBA summer league – a N.Y. or Philly summer league of amatuers… 

And I thought Smart would be better – I really liked him coming out of Ok st & he has definitely improved,,, I think part of the problem is that Boston is not committed to Developing him… I want to see how he does this year before I give up on him as a potential impact player – he can def play defense, I luv his physicality… Those are Crucial playoff traits, but he really struggles to create his own shot or open looks for his teammates…

 

 

[Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipant]

Davis is still somewhat of a work in progress offensively. They are trying to make him more of a go to guy offensively and he has the skills to be that. However, in his career so far he has generally been more effective as a finisher off of someone else’s penetration than as someone who creates his own looks. For him to take the next step, I think he needs to understand better the spots on the floor where he can be effective and work harder to get position in those spots. I don’t like him consistently catching the ball 20-22 feet from the basket and attempting to create as he has so far this year. He can make plays from that position but that doesn’t really play to his strengths. Id also like to see him improve his passing skills when he draws double teams or forces the defense to collapse.

 

 

[SlickBouncePassParticipant]

him score 50 and throw down some massive dunks like i know he can.  the chains gotta come off!

i’m starting to doubt he has as much fast twitch and explosiveness as I thought…

  

[SlickBouncePassParticipant]

him score 50 and throw down some massive dunks like i know he can.  the chains gotta come off!

i’m starting to doubt he has as much fast twitch and explosiveness as I thought…

  

[Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipant]

Davis is still somewhat of a work in progress offensively. They are trying to make him more of a go to guy offensively and he has the skills to be that. However, in his career so far he has generally been more effective as a finisher off of someone else’s penetration than as someone who creates his own looks. For him to take the next step, I think he needs to understand better the spots on the floor where he can be effective and work harder to get position in those spots. I don’t like him consistently catching the ball 20-22 feet from the basket and attempting to create as he has so far this year. He can make plays from that position but that doesn’t really play to his strengths. Id also like to see him improve his passing skills when he draws double teams or forces the defense to collapse.

 

 

[omphalosParticipant]

 I do agree that Davis hasn’t quite arrived yet.

People were calling him the 2nd best player in the NBA, ahead of Durant when he’s really not ready for that mantle yet.

He still depends a lot on other players to get his shot, which isn’t something that should be said of the 2nd best player in the NBA.

And don’t tell me it’s just because he’s a PF not a wing or whatever, because Griffin stepped up when CP3 was out and did everything for that Clippers team, Dirk Nowitzki has been doing it all as a big guy since Nash was traded and Garnett was a one-man show in Timberwolves.

Now, I’m not saying Davis won’t get there, he will, but just because he had good numbers last season doesn’t mean he’s ready to be put ahead of a guy like Durant.

When people say they haven’t quite arrived, it means they haven’t hit optimum performance yet, or there is still room to grow before you say "yep, he’s about as good as he’ll get".

Davis isn’t that yet, which is a testament to how much better he can get with his potential, rather than an indictment against his performance so far.

Other players that haven’t arrived yet include Giannis as mentioned, Drummond (still figuring things out, but improved FT-shooting is encouraging), Schroder and Barnes off the top of my head.

Guys that have shown flashes but haven’t put it all together yet to deliver on their potential.

 

 

 

[omphalosParticipant]

 I do agree that Davis hasn’t quite arrived yet.

People were calling him the 2nd best player in the NBA, ahead of Durant when he’s really not ready for that mantle yet.

He still depends a lot on other players to get his shot, which isn’t something that should be said of the 2nd best player in the NBA.

And don’t tell me it’s just because he’s a PF not a wing or whatever, because Griffin stepped up when CP3 was out and did everything for that Clippers team, Dirk Nowitzki has been doing it all as a big guy since Nash was traded and Garnett was a one-man show in Timberwolves.

Now, I’m not saying Davis won’t get there, he will, but just because he had good numbers last season doesn’t mean he’s ready to be put ahead of a guy like Durant.

When people say they haven’t quite arrived, it means they haven’t hit optimum performance yet, or there is still room to grow before you say "yep, he’s about as good as he’ll get".

Davis isn’t that yet, which is a testament to how much better he can get with his potential, rather than an indictment against his performance so far.

Other players that haven’t arrived yet include Giannis as mentioned, Drummond (still figuring things out, but improved FT-shooting is encouraging), Schroder and Barnes off the top of my head.

Guys that have shown flashes but haven’t put it all together yet to deliver on their potential.

 

 

 

[Rip256]

 If it takes being the second best player in the world to ‘arrive’…your standards seem a bit high.

 

 

[Rip256]

 If it takes being the second best player in the world to ‘arrive’…your standards seem a bit high.

 

 

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