This is a story from CBS. I saw it on ESPN as well.
Let me first say that the Lakers would be idiots if they got rid of Gasol in a deal with the T-Wolves unless they got anyone other than Rubio or Love in return. Since we all know that ain't gonna happen then I have to wonder if this isn't just some rumor that the T-Wolves floated out there just to gauge any interest that the Lakers might have.
On the other hand if the Wolves want Pau that badly then I say that the Lakers try and get the Magic involved in this deal and make it a three way trade. What about something like this?
Jameer Nelson (Lakers will used trade exception from Lamar Odom to take on this salary)
Lakers 2012 2nd Round Pick
Lakers 2012 1st Round Pick (from Dallas)
T-Wolves 2013 1st Round Pick
if kahn were to make this move, this would prove he is the worst gm in the nba. giving away williams, beasley, randolph, johnson and a 1st rounder for pau gasol is ludacris. those guys are all under 25 and still have potential. gasol is still productive, but he isn't the same pau as a couple years ago. and we can't forget the horrible play in the playoffs last year.
I must of typed and erased this like 10 times saying that this trade went from ingenius by getting the Magic involved to terrible by noticing that the Lakers are giving up Bynum too but then I thought about it even more and...
I think this is actually a great trade. I didn't like the Lakers trading Bynum away too but in the end if you get Dwight Howard then you don't need Bynum and Derrick Williams in my eyes has a ton of potential and this is exactly what the Lakers need to do is get younger. It's these types of bold moves that keep the Lakers competitive. They lose a pair of elite 7 footers but they aren't looking like they're going to win anything with them this year and Kobe's window is closing fast. Acquiring Howard allows them to compete for a title this year and with Howard and Derrick Williams in your frontcourt you're also set up for the future.
The Magic might be getting to much back in this trade and would be out of their minds if they didn't accept this. The Magic should honestly trade Howard for Bynum and baggage and call it a day.
And the Wolves might be giving up atleast one player too much in this trade.
Hedo wouldn't fit in with Barnes and Artest. Nelson is an upgrade but he's not even on our radar. Dwill will only add to our SF logjam. So no chance that scenario happens.
I don't understand why the TWolves want Gasol. I agree that they need to make a move, but I don't think they should be targeting Gasol. Get a 2 guard somewhere
People in Minny are probably tired about hearing potential they wanna start seeing results and with Love playing at an MVP level and Rubio doing his thing they finally have a chance to compete. Bringing in Pau would make for a very exciting playoffs run. I think they are probably giving up one player too many tho.
They should atleast be able to keep Wes Johnson or Mike Beasley. D-Will is hardly getting time right now, Randolph's potential is in the Witness Protection Program because nobody has saw it in years plus he don't play anyway, Wes Johnson is playing terrible and doesn't look like he fits, and the last thing the Wolves need right now are more rookies so they don't need the 1st round pick. I'd want to keep Beasley tho cause he's a dynamite scorer but he's also a free agent at the end of the year and he's coming off the bench because he's not a great fit in Adelman's system.
Lakers get Nash, Beasley, Brad Miller
Wolves get Gasol and Laker's 1st rounder from dallas
Suns get Derrick Williams and Steve Blake
LA acquires the PG they need and hard to find a better passer than Nash. Beasley obv is a downgrade but game would work with Drew. Beasley is a scorer but doesn't have to be on the block. Miller provides a backup for Drew who's a big body and willing passer.
Wolves get Pau and dump Beasley who they didn't really want. They build around Love, Rubio, and Pau and draft a SG this year since there are going to be a ton available.
Suns get something back for Nash. Two cheap contracts since their owner is always looking to save money. Two starters for 4 million a year a piece is not bad. Blake can hold this down for this year and then take a PG or look for one in free agency which they would have had to do anyway.
The Wolves are targetting Gasol because him and Rubio are very good friends and already have great chemistry because they've been playing together on the Spanish National teams for years.
@db24kb24 You wouldn't be salivating as a Lakers fan at a chance to see Kobe and Howard play together in what's left of their primes? How could you not be? Also Derrick Williams would move back to play his more natural PF position for the Lakers and provide what you guys seriously need some athleticism. With Howard, Derrick Williams, and McRoberts in the frontcourt the Lakers might be able to show some resemble of the Ol' Lake Show ways and keep up with the Clippers.
That would be another awesome feature of this trade, Howard vs Griffin in The Battle For L.A.'s Rims.
well people in minny should be upset with their gm. kahn filled the team up with pgs and tweener pfs. all i'm saying if kahn thinks he has to give up johnson, williams, beasley, randolph AND a 1st round pick for gasol; he's off his rocker. last i checked pau gasol is a pf, not a center. he might as well just try to throw some heads at new orleans and try to pick up kaman. i mean he has plenty of people to trade (ridnour or barea, randolph, johnson) without giving up their whole team.
That's a pretty fair trade and I think the Lakers get better this year by doing it. Nash and Beasley are going to open up the floor for Kobe and Bynum. And Beasley would play a similar role next to Bynum that Ryan Anderson is playing for the Magic which is stretching the floor from the PF position. Also if Beasley went to the Lakers he would become a star. If you're averaging over 17ppg for the Lakers you're considered a superstar it's in the NBA rule book.
But I don't think the Lakers would do this trade only because Mike Brown is so big into defense and neither Nash nor Beasley are known for their defense.
I would do this trade if I was Phoenix but i wonder if they would do it. Bringing Derrick Williams in to play alongside Kieff and Gortat provides them with a great frontcourt for the future tho and it's time to let Nash go.
i don't see why you trade derrick williams AND mike beasley.......other than that the trade was pretty decent
As a Wolves fan I don't really understand the Gasol infatuation. Pek is playing to the point where Center isn't the biggest problem. Gasol is an upgrade over Pek, but you can't tell me that trading all these assets for a 2 guard wouldn't make the team better overall. With Rubio's shooting woes, it has been Love and Pek trying to carry the offense. Ridnour has been inconsistent, Beasley and Wes Johnson have been pretty awful.
i agree. the whole point of getting rid of beasley is to free up time for willaims.
Notice that he Lakers send Barnes to the Magic in this deal so there isn't as big of a log jam at SF. Plus I see the Lakers amnestying either Artest or Hedo (if this deal miraculously happened) at season's end so then there is no logjam at SF and then Derrick Williams gets minutes.
@Mr. 19131 - You are dead on that T-Wolves fans are sick of hearing about potential and want results right now. With Gasol and J-Rich that is exactly what they would put themselves in position to do.
I don't see B-Easy staying in Minnesota after this season anyway so why not get something for him now (ie Jason Richardson since Minny desperately needs a 2 guard).
Getting rid of Derrick Williams is the only way that are you are going to entice the Lakers to bite on this trade since they are giving up both 7 footers and a 1st rounder. Plus I still see D-Will as a PF and he wouldn't get that much time with Gasol and Love both on the team.
so t-wolves fans would rather add guys that are 30+ years old, with career lows, and both have 2+ years remaining on their contracts.
I agree about Brown's philosophy, but Fisher and Blake aren't exactly stoppers right now. Beasley is long and not afraid of contact. I think being on a championship caliber team will bring out the best in him. And if it doesn't work both contracts are off the books next year. Which let's the Lakers purue free agents especially if they amnesty off either Walton or World Peace. That would put their team salary at $44 million if my math is right and gives them a lot of options.
People in Minny were upset with Kahn we all know the crazy moves he's made. But in reality and I know I'm going against everybodies conventional thinking with this, Kahn is looking like a genius. Kahn is the one that traded Al Jefferson who was averaging 20 and 10 as a C to open up the frontcourt for Love to shine. When that trade went down I know a lot of people thought he was stupid for just letting a talent like Jefferson go so he could hand over the reigns to an unproven Kevin Love who at the time people didn't think he was gonna be more then a 14 n 10 guy in the league he allowed more points then he scored.
Kahn is also the one who chose Rubio despite rumors of him claiming he would never play in Minny. Kahn called the bluff, waited the 2 years, and look at the payoff. Not everybody thought Rubio was gonna be good. Most people actually thought Rubio was gonna bust and thought it was a bad pick because you had Curry, Jennings, and Holiday on the board. Yes he made one of the most retarded draft choices ever when he selected Flynn 6th ahead of Curry but he had a plan and it's worked. He knew Rubio was 2 years away so he drafted a PG to hold that position over in the mean time, and thought by the time Rubio came over Flynn would have some trade value. Flynn actually started off his rookie year really well but since then has been MIA.
And can we also give Kahn some credit for trading for Beasley and Randolph, he literally stole them from his teams. He swooped in the Melo trade and took Randolph, and sent a 2nd round pick to MIA for Beasley which was robbery. Other teams had the chance to do it, but only Kahn did.
And what about Nik Pekovic. Kahn brought him in too and he's been tearing it up.
But with that said he still drafted Wes Johnson 4th which was a dumb move but at the same time Wes Johnson fooled a ton of people during that draft. The Sixers only worked out Turner, Favors, Cousins, and Wes Johnson for that draft and Doug Collins said Wes Johnson was the most impressive player he saw in workouts.
But back to the trade Pau Gasol is a 7'1 PF/C. The last time the Lakers won the championship they did so with Pau Gasol playing C. The only reason he plays PF is because the Lakers have Bynum. On most teams he'd be a C. I got no doubts Adelman would use him similar to how he used Vlade in SacTown and run a lot of offense through him.
Damnn, Magic would get some good players
It baffles me that people can say aquiring a top 3 PF is an idiot move. Gasol and Love inside would completely destroy people, bringing Pekovic off the bench and that 3 man big rotation is awefully tough for people to handle. Not to mention Gasol is a really good passer and would give us another guy who can find open shooters around the perimeter.
Beasley is as inconsistent as they get, Johnson is a SG who cant shoot, Randolph is a guy who can't find consistent PT with any teams and DWill hasnt shown any sort of skill set resembling a small forward. Giving up Beasley would be tough to swallow, but he is a FA at the end of the year anyways and there is no guarentee he would resign anyways.
If that trade at the top removed JRich and put in Redick, I would be on board all day.
If the wolves just trade with the Lakers involving Gasol and Williams, what would that deal look like? Would the Wolves still have ammo to make a run at Mayo/Fernandez/Lee or any other wing players.
Like that trade a lot..LA gets better now and in the future..Magic get loads of prospects..Wolves lose some depth but only lose really one promising guy. Gives them the best 3 man big rotation in the West. Jrich can score great and Rubio can make it work. They just need to get a decent other wing then.
Just involved too many players and the Lakers don't want to add four new starters to go with Kobe at this point in the season. They need to change something to win it all this year, but this is very drastic. With the trade I proposed involving the Suns, the Lakers can contend this year and still possibly get Howard in a sign and trade during the off season if they are unhappy with the results. Maintaining the core of Kobe and Bynum with some supporting players and being under the cap for the first time in a decade would give them a lot of flexibility.
The Wolves have something really special going on and it's because of Rubio and Love. Everybody else is expendable to make this team better. And you can get your bottom buck bringing in Gasol makes this team better. Gasol has won every where he went and is a big time player so you can bet that he instantly makes the Wolves a playoff team. Gasol also never has chemistry issues his game is so fluid he seemingly meshes in well everywhere. Pau Gasol still has many great years left in him especially considering the way he plays the game and putting him in the same frontcourt with Love would be nothing short of amazing.
The Wolves can start making noise now in the playoffs if they got Gasol why wait 2-3 years for Williams to develop? And I love Derrick Williams but do you really think he's going to become the type of player Gasol is right now? No he's not. You can't teach 7 feet and Gasol is the most skilled 7 footer in the world thats why they would trade Williams for him. Plus Williams is gonna see most success playing PF which is what Love plays so he doesn't really fit great with that team anyway he was drafted because he was the BPA not because the Wolves needed him.
And Mike Beasley is probably gone after this year so they're gonna have to trade him soon anyway. He's coming off the bench now and plays the same position as Love and Williams. Wes Johnson at times don't even look like he belongs in the NBA so theres no loss there. And the Wolves don't have their own 1st round pick they have Utah's which is lottery protected. So the Wolves might not even get that pick this year. So in reality what are the Wolves really losing?
Plus Jason Richardson is hitting 2 3's a game shooting 42%. He instantly makes Minny more dangerous from the perimeter, add him in with Webste and the Wolves got 2 starting wing men who can defend and hit 3's.
Yeah you're right about the Lakers having cap room with that trade after the season if it don't work which is probably exactly what they want. And I do agree Beasley would be awesome in L.A. he works harders then people give him credit for and would get to learn with the Kobester that could really take his career to new heights
Opps missed that. Gotcha.
Overall i'm not a huge fan of getting rid of two very talented footers(neither is the management). If Dwight gets in foul trouble who do you put in the post? McRoberts? Murphy? One of those guys would be forced to start anyway which shouldn't happen. Shopping Pau has been the best thing for LA because he has been a beast since he's been in trade rumors, but at the end of the day i'd be suprised if they let him go.
Also aquiring new pieces would take AT LEAST a year to gain chemistry, learn tendencies, and contend for a championship (MIA). Because KB can't waste a year I think the moves they make will just add to the current core of KB, Pau, Bynum...I see LA making smaller moves that only involve the backcourt
T Wolves get straight robbed on this trade.
Why do they need Gasol? Nikola Pekovic has been absolutely lighting it up. If anything they should try to trade Pek to get more assets if they do get Gasol. Gasol and Love plus whatever you can get for Pek, or even keeping Pek would be a hella beast lineup, but the problem is that you can't play the three together, because neither is a Small Foward.
@Clayton Crowe, just curious, is that a trade you thought of or a rumored trade?
When those guys are Gasol and J-Rich they would. Gasol is averaging lows because of all of the trade rumors and because Kobe is taking a larger percentage of shots that he has the last few years.
J-Rich is still a very viable SG and the Wolves aren't giving up their core guys (Rubio & Love).
The Wolves can wait around another two years and possibly be a playoff team or they can make this type of a move and become a playoff team right now. Wesley Johnson has been a huge bust thus far for them and D-Will isn't going to get the playing time behind Love. He just isn't a SF. He is a PF and he will learn that quickly enough. You can't just keep relying on young core guys and expect the group as a whole to get you over the hump. Just look at the Thunder. They traded Jeff Green for an older player in K-Perk. Trades like this are necessary to compete in the NBA. You have to have a good mix of young players and veterans.
I saw the rumors of Minny wanting Gasol and so I started playing around with it. I came up with it on my own. It was a lot of players and I had to make the salaries match but I am not into these ridiculous trades where one team makes out like a bandit. Those are NBA2K type deals that would never go through.
The Lakers get the Good, the Wolves get the bad and the Magic get the ugly. Do not understand this in the least as being a feasible option.
Would you mind giving some analysis to support your claim?
The Wolves eventually will in all likelyhood need a shooting guard... but not this season unless one becomes available at a reasonable price.
The Wolves need to continue to play as a unit as it's assembled right now. Otherwise they will never find out if the young players they can actually crack a quality NBA rotation.
Young players are cheap for the most part and if they work out it's a homerun... if they don't work out they can refuse to extend their contracts and keep flexibility within the salary cap to use use on other players.
Many teams fail because they use up their best assets trading for "star players" that don't fit within the systems they're traded to or in Minnesota's case they change GM's and coaches change philosophies and end up sucking for many years.
Jameer Nelson (Lakers will used trade exception from Lamar Odom to take on this salary)
You get Dwight Howard and a custom made new starting line-up. When does this happen? When? I get it, they give up the huge front court that won them two rings. But, they get the best center in the league and two of his starting mates, plus the 2nd pick in the 2011 Draft. This trade would have Kobe Bryant send you a thank you note to David Stern for rescinding the Chris Paul trade.
Lakers 2012 2nd Round Pick
The pick is pretty much useless, but Pau Gasol is flat out better than anyone they give up. Still, you have to take on Jason Richardson and trade your two top 5 picks. This is not a horrible deal for them, but I think they give up too much and do not get enough in return in Pau and Jason Richardson's contract. J-Rich's contract is not terrible, but it is long and I am sure they would be fine testing out Wesley Johnson a little more rather than taking on an aging vet who is pretty much a chucker.
Lakers 2012 1st Round Pick (from Dallas)
T-Wolves 2013 1st Round Pick
Where to begin? Again, the picks will most likely amount to jack squat, so I am not really finding them enticing. You get Michael Beasley, who will more than likely be a restricted free agent wanting more money than you would like to pay him. Wesley Johnson is not bad, but he does not seem to have a real position which is slightly vexing. They also get Anthony Randolph's potential, which is fading.
Still, I think clearing house to get Andrew Bynum and some young prospects in this scenario could doom this team. Andrew only has this year and a team option, that Orlando would surely pick-up, but I am still incredibly worried about his durability. It would be one thing to add Andrew to a functioning team, but to throw him in with the Minnesota Timberwolves role players and Ryan Anderson, to me that spells disaster. Any trade they make involving Dwight is going to make them worse, but this is a type of worse that involves to many variables and red flags.
Do not like this trade for Orlando and think that this is a custom made trade to try and solve all of the Lakers woes in one fell swoop. Trades are usually a gamble, you are giving up some pieces for what you hope to be better ones. Well, for the Lakers, they get the best piece and then some. They get literally the best center in the league, a stretch 4, a starting 3 who has worked very well with this center and a new PG. Is that not asking a bit much when you are already getting by far the best player in the deal? I think so, which is why I think this trade is crazy talk.
The pick this year will have value in that this draft class is very deep. Sorry but the teams that are currently trying to snag Dwight don't necessarily have any better picks. Don't even bring up the Nets' pick this year because I would rather have Bynum and these two picks than Lopez and that high pick this year.
Beasley is an asset to the Magic in that he can be flipped again for more assets or his expiring contract can be used for around $6 million worth of cap space. Wesley Johnson has been a disappointment but he still has the talent and ability and could just need a change of scenery. He is a SF so let's not even get into having or not having a real position. Randolph still has temendous upside and will finally get consistent minutes with the Magic.
Still, I think clearing house to get Andrew Bynum and some young prospects in this scenario could doom this team.
As opposed to what? Letting him walk via free agency? And questioning Bynum's durability is getting old. The other trade partner that is being floated around has a center that has been out for much of this season so there are questions about his durability as well.
This isn't custom made to solve the Lakers' problems. This would disrupt their chemistry while taking on at least another 8-10 million in salary in each of the next two seasons. They also give up two 7 footers, a first round pick, two young guards, a solid wing and a 2nd round pick (albeit insignificant). The Lakers would have to solve their PG problems to deal Bynum and Gasol. The Lakers give up a LOT and take on a LOT of salary. Why wouldn't they want to solve some of their problems? They would still have virtually zero depth.
Bottom line is that the Magic are between a rock and a hard place and might lose Howard for nothing if they don't act now. The two teams that realistically could trade for Dwight are the Nets and Lakers. Personally I would rather have a deal that centered around Bynum, B-Easy, Wes and picks rather than Lopez and Marshon Brooks.
I don't understand why the Wolves would give up ALL those players for Gasol and Richardson. The Wolves don't need a C right now- Pekovic is doing really well. What they need is an above average two- Richardson is on the other end of his prime and going downhill fast. Giving up Williams, Beasley, Randolph, Wes Johnson, AND a future first rounder would be insanely stupid in the long term.
firekahn all those players? they give up a promising dwill and a bunch of crap. Beasley isnt in the teams future plans and is a chucker..randolph and wes arent exactly very good either. Both are just young who could be nice backups for someone. Not giving up much there. Jrich is better then any of those guys. the pick is probably the most valuable thing they give up after dwill. They give up some quantity but not much quality at all.
mikey They arent taking on a Jrichs contract. They are getting a better player. Big difference. idk how much of jrich you have watched but hes not a chucker at all and he gives them a legit sg who can score from all over. He isnt even a bad defender either.
I think people arent realizing that the Lakers were such a tough out because of there awesome bigs. Guess what? Do this trade and Minny has one hell of a 3 man big rotation plus a good SG and rising star at pg. If they can get a wing defender they would be fantastic. Just imagine if they did this trade then got Batum in the offseason.
this argument is pretty funny. first, all the t-wolve fans say how brilliant kahn is for stealing beasley and randolph. now, given the opportunity, it's "oh these guys have no potential". everyone bashed kahn for drafting williams because they already had beasley and randolph, but all the t-wolve fans backed kahn. now, given the opportunity to get a 32 year old, fading gasol; everyone is on board to ship all 3 out. and i'm not even going to argue that taking on j-rich's contract is a good plan.
it's only wesley johnson's 2nd year and he's being crucified for his play. well, that could be the effect of a young player trying to get back into the flow after a long layoff. shoots, it took wayne ellington 3 years to start being productive. anyways, if t-wolve fans think trading 4 ex-lottery picks and probably a future one for 2 guys that are averaging career lows while playing 37+ mpg and have bad contracts for the future, maybe the problem isn't just kahn.
I'm a Wolves fan. Of all the crap/stuff you spouted...look up a few posts and how much of it did I say since you are bashing all Wolves fans?
I too am a Wolves fan and certainly don't fit in with the "now, given the opportunity to get a 32 year old, fading gasol; everyone is on board to ship all 3 out."
sorry if you guys took offense, but the point is made a lot stronger if i write "all" instead of "some". obviously, all t-wolve fans don't want this trade.
None of the posts that I read came from Wolves fans... they seemed to be more from NBA fans in general communicating their own more distant personal oppinion. The same way most users tend to respond to posts that aren't necessarily their favorite/home team.
I personally think the majority, if not the overwhelming majority of T-Wolves fans would not support that trade at this stage of growth in the franchise.
I would hope they'd know better... If Firekahn knows better, then all Wolves fans should know better.