Friday Combine Numbers
The NBA is releasing the numbers as they come out for the first time. First one out...
Steven Adams measured a 28.5'' standing vert
Kenny Kadjii - 34''
Rudy Gobert - 25''
Colton Iverson - 26.5''
Dwayne Dedmon - 28''
Mike Muscala - 28''
I really want to see some of Goberts drills. His length and height is incredible but his lack of strength might hurt his agility, mobility and coordination a lot.
Maybe the biggest questionmark so far after he came up with eye popping height and standing reach measurements.
Rudy Gobert - 25 inches
Dewayne Dedmon - 28 inches
Cody Zeller standing vert - freaking amazing 35.5'' a full 5'' higher than Mason Plumlee
Mason Plumlee - max vert 36'' - max reach 12'
Steven Adams - max vert 33'' - max reach 11'10.5''
Rudy Gobert - max vert 29'' - max reach 12'
Zeller is killing it, 37.5'' max vert - T-Rex or not, his max reach is 11'11.5''
10.82 lane agility, looks really well in 3/4 sprint, I think he's surprising a lot of guys.
Plumlee and Zeller were supposed to go more quiet as far as the measurements were concerned, but they are killing it! Exciting combine with all these big guys..
Is that they both measured over 7' in shoes. I would have though 6'11" max
Oladipo with a 42" max vert
KCP - 34.5" max vert
McLemore - 42" max vert
Tim Jr. - 37.5"
Crabbe - 36"
Chad Ford tweeted this:
Oladipo 3.25 sec & McLemore 3.27 similar sprint scores. Oladipo 10.69 much better than McLemore 11.87 on agility drill #NBACombine
Now that's really impressive forma guy with 214 pounds like Victor and dissappointing for McLemore who has basically the same size and is considered top 3 or even #1
Google:Cody Zeller and James Mcadoo on right path.Thats a sporting news article that came out july3rd 2012 saying Zeller had a 39 inch vertical.So I dont think his numbers today are much a surprise to the scouts...
Oladipo: 33" standing, 42" max
McLemore: 32.5" standing, 42" max
Crazy how close they were. Still like Ben more, has a beautiful shot and think he has a lot more potential offensively, while his defensive potential is strong as well. Heard good things about his work ethic. Knew that they were both elite athletes, just surprised they jumped that high, pretty cool.
One last thing: Really did not like the way Rudy Gobert moves. REALLY awkward. His measurements are crazy, still would be VERY weary of shooting him up your draft boards or taking him in the top 10.
Pretty crazy that two shooting guards have an 11'10.5'' max reach in the same draft.
I agree on Gobert, he's okay going in a straight line, but any lateral movent just doesn't look fluid.
Just looked awkward to me. I saw someone retweet Julius Hodge yesterday about how Sean May killed him in France this past year. Guess Gobert had one good play on him or something, just does not surprise me that a big body like May could cause him trouble. His length is incredible, he will block some shots, just do not think he looks like a post anchor or anything and will get beat by quite a few 4/5 men physically and off the dribble.
For the person saying the difference between Gobert and Nerlens, Nerlens is in a different world laterally and athletically. Plus, that shot over his head may be hard to block, just think he is not much of a threat from outside. He has played against grown @ss men, so he may be a bit ahead of some of these guys, and weighing in at 237 was not bad. Just really think that despite his measurables, those other factors scare me, think injury could definitely become a factor down the line.
237 lbs. for someone who is 7' 0.5" is not particularly good for a professional athlete, and I cannot grade on the curve of it being this particular draft class because they will not just be playing against guys from this draft class. Tyler Zeller and Meyers Leonard are not exactly a prototypically strong centers in appearance (or as we saw from them as rookies show strength in their performance), and they measured out at 6' 11.25" (in socks) 247 lbs and 6' 11.75" and 250 lbs respectively last year. Vander Joaquim, who I always thought of as being slender measured out at 6' 9" and 252 lbs. at Portsmouth a month ago. These are really small guys. When we look at Gobert (7' 0.5" 237 lbs), Zeller (6' 10.75" 230 lbs.), Plumlee (6' 11.25" 238 lbs.), Dieng (6' 9.75" 230 lbs), Noel (6' 10" 206 lbs), Olynyk (6' 10.75" 234 lbs), Muscala (6' 10.25" 230 lbs.), Withey (6' 10.75" 222 lbs.), Dedmon (6' 10" 239 lbs.) the big question is do we really do centers at this combine other than Adams, who is a project, Iverson, and maybe Len (though we don't know his weight)? This is a far cry from Andre Drummond coming in at 280 lbs after being on a diet. It is a troubling group when you see what teams need in a frontcourt to compete with the superstars at other positions that don't come along all the time. This is not a group that can help in that area. I want to like Cody Zeller, but a team can have Anthony Davis, John Henson, Taj Gibson, and others with that type build guard him. A team can call him a center, but that doesn't make him one. I want to think Olynyk has a similiar makeup to Nik Vucevic, but that is a big 20 lbs difference in their predraft weight, especially when considering the two were born 5 months apart. It is the weight in the legs that really gives him the base needed to play the center spot, and it did not appear Olynyk had it and the measured weight would appear to confirm that sense.
I already posted my bit about Gobert and the bigger French players, so it would just be beyond lazy analysis to repeat it.
Playing great at the combine helped Miles Plumlee go from Undrafted to 1st rounder..Guys like Dedmon,Muscala and Colt Iverson might not go in the 1st round,but they've had a good showing at the combine..
******I remember Durant and Steph Curry testing poor at the combine..But they've been 2 of the biggest stars during the playoffs...So they've proved combine numbers are irrelevant.....
*****Cody Zeller-I Read that his Standing Reach is the best ever recorded for a player 6'9 and over..
Victor Oladipo-Numbers are AMAZING...A 43 Max Vert. and 33 Standing reach...I've read that teams aren't as high on him as previous thought..They say teams dont like his game,they say he's just an athlete....He might slide out of the lottery now...
Poppa Hardaway must've had his boy rehearsing for this event,becuz Timmy Jr. has been killing it......
Zeller's testing out very well, but what has that athleticism translated to and what will it translate to? He got stuffed around the paint and will still have an issue with length.
Where his stock can get a boost is if he shows that he's more skilled than what he showed in college and can play in space.
Ricky Ledo - 33.5'' max vert
Brandon Paul - 39.5'' max vert
Blue - Lane agility 10.4 leading all thus far
Tony Mitchell is a feak, I'm really curious to see his numbers, his max reach is over 12'
I've been impressed with his workouts so far.
Yeah, there are so many questions around him, but given his athletic ability and size I think he moves up into the late 1st round. Look what the combine did for Miles Plumlee and Mitchell is a much higher upsdie player. I think he had good chance of slipping, but his athletic ability might have given him a temporary foothold
Tony Mitchell - 33.5'' standing vert 38'' max vert 12' .5'' max reach
I knew he was a beast but hell he must be on Red Bull or something ;-) insane!
Here is a link of his vertical attempt:
What a beast!
30'' standing vert
36'' max vert
10.75 lane agility
Pretty middle of the pack for SG's all the way around. He was tied for 6th or 7th in most categories, but still a good all around athlete.
Oladipo said he got 15 reps on the bench.
I can't wait for the PGs to do drills. I'm really pulling for Siva and I believe he may post the best vert if not Jackson or Pressey.
McLemore's vert looks good, surprised that Olapido is scoring as well as he is. It'll be interesting to compare their lane agility drills and bench press since they're so close in everything else.
McLemore did terribly in the lane agility drill.
Did C.J. Leslie jump?
Leslie's vert was 40 and he had the fastest lane agility of anyone
Trey Burke with a 29'' standing very a 36.5'' max vertical and an 11.2 second lane agility.
31.5" standing vert
41" Max vert!
44" Max vert, 2nd highest since 2000.
And Jesus, I thought MCW would test well on that, but good lord, 41" on top of being 6'6" at the PG position...
Larkin 44'' Max!!!! Damn that's better than Nate
Larkin's 44 inch vert doesn't seem to translate to the game. Kind of like Nick Young. He tested in the 40's but Larkin can bang it on the break easily. ANY ONE HAS PIERRE VERT?
And there it is. Put up one of the best lane agility times of the day. This has been a big day for him.
Phil Pressey 33" standing 38.5" Max Vert
Peyton Siva 33.5" standing and 41.5 Max Vert
Ray McCallum 30.5" standing and 40" Max Vert
CJ McCollum 32" standing and 38.5" Max Vert
Shabazz 29.5" Standing and 37" Max Vert
Otto Porter 27" Standing and 36" Max Vert
CJ Leslie 32.5 Standing and 40.5 Max Vert
Glen Rice Jr 33" standing vert and 40.5" Max Vert
This combined with his vert numbers etc. Why wasn't he a better defender in college? Not saying he wasn't a decent one (block shots and tipped passes) but he should have been able to SHUT DOWN opposing players with the wingspan, agility, and explosiveness. Bad footwork?
Where to begin? Bad footwork , undisciplined , not strong enough to bang , and overall does not have a great basketball IQ. Gets by on natural gifts and didn't develop much after his 2nd season at NCSU. It's kinda like why wasn't Amare a better defender when he was younger with as live of legs and physique? He relied on instincts and never really worked at the mental and technique side of defense.
These tests are the differnce makers when having to choose between similiar players. These tests otherwise are like a waste of time. Based on these test last year sullys stock dropped. What a big mistake this was for many teams. When u know how to play, you know.
Damn it's crazy how many amazing athletes there are in this draft. Might this draft be slightly underrated?
Top 5 Max Verts- Larkin, McLemore, Oladipo, Siva, Carter-Williams
Top 5 Standing Verts- Zeller, Larkin, Adonis Thomas, Kadji, Tony Mitchell
Top 5 Lane Agility- Leslie, Snell, Blue, Siva, Caldwell-Pope
Top 5 Sprints- Larkin, Leslie, Caldwell-Pope, Pressey, Blue
You really have to give Zeller some credit! He might be a better athlete many people think he is.
Does anyone know the agility times of Schröder??? He came out as the lightest player so far and hopefully he can strike in the agility drills.
Did Lorenzo Brown, Nate Wolters, and Myck Kabongo jump?