[laarethekingsParticipant]

First Take did this yesterday… Baylass takes Lrving…. Says Wall has too much 2 in him for his kind of PG. Says Lrving is more point first PG. I like Lrving and think he’s going to be more of a CP3 than a Mike Conley in the NBA, but I have to take Wall over Lrving as number one picks. So guys… WHO YOU GOT?

[Toronto16Participant]

 Wow, I think Wall easily.  I’m suprised they even debated this.

[CoolidgerParticipant]

Seeing as how John Wall is already proven (his assist average was impressive for a rookie), i’ll go with him.

 

By the way, why to you keep saying Lrving? It’s Irving, Kyrie Irving.

[jaysmith1987Participant]

Wall averaged 8 assists as a rookie he is more of a passer than Irving he looked to score more than pass at duke. Irving will be really good but Wall will be one of the greatest.

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

Wall is faster, and a better athlete. 

I would take John Wall.  The point guard position is all about speed now. 

Red flag on Irving: Had a great game against Arizona in the tournament but his team got blown out.  He didn’t take over the game and might have been more concerned with getting his own points. 

[DC ChillinParticipant]

 Wall any day of the week…

Although Irving might have a slightly better Bball IQ and better jumpshot, Irving really hasn’t proven a lot on the college level last year. Wall on the other end has better upside with his length and athleticism and he had iconic freshmen year at kentucky and a good rookie season.

[MagikKnickParticipant]

 I hate these comparisons..you should never choose between a proven NBA guard, and a top college guard..

Last year around this time we did Wall vs Rose…Rose "won."

Before that we did Rose vs Wade….Wade "won."

Now were doing Irving vs Wall….Wall "won"

Whats next year? Rivers vs Irving or Teague vs Irving?

[Michael.S.Participant]

Skip Bayless is a moron…This isn’t even a debate, it’s a dumb question.

[NYK2010Participant]

One of the greatest thats a stretch. 

The Wiz were near the bottom in asts per game.

Also they were 5th worst in turnovers, Wall is a nice PG but I won’t hold my breath on him being 1 of the greatest.

Easy to put up big numbers when your getting blown out every other night.

The team won 23 games this year 3 less than the year before without him.  Also Wiz went 4-9 without him in the lineup.

Don’t forget Marbury put up 20pts and 9 asts too but he’s not one of the best PG’s ever.

I do like his active hands and all the steals he gets but 41% shooting.

Need to improve the teams win and cut down on 4 turnovers a game.

His 2nd year should be interesting, most guy take huge strides in there 3rd year but maybe Wall does in his 2nd esp. with most of the Wiz scorers returning.

 

 

[BKKnicksfanParticipant]

Red flag on Irving: Had a great game against Arizona in the tournament but his team got blown out. He didn’t take over the game and might have been more concerned with getting his own points.

 

Before he got hurt, Duke was undefeated and he JUST had a monster game vs Michiagan St, and a good game vs Butler.

[KDThunder35Participant]

I agree BK, I don’t think there is a redflag with Irving.  They were running their offense more efficiently with Irving running the show in the beginning of the year.  Mason Plumlee was a lottery selection when he was on the floor, he made Mason look great offensively.  He left for that extended period and Duke got use to playing with Nolan having the ball in his hands (Mason fell off the 2011 mock almost immediately with the departure of Irving).  When Kyrie came back Smith didn’t know how to move without the ball anymore and the team chemistry was not there.  Kyrie gets everyone involved in the offense and really only looks to score when that is his teams best option to score for that possesion.  I think Kyrie is the real deal.

 

 

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

Once Again i have to say”They called him Skip becuz he was Absent when they were passing out brains..

This shouldn’t be a question..If Wall was a freshman and was available for the draft this year,there was NO WAY The Clippers would’ve traded their pick..

Wall is on the Verge of becoming a Superstar..If it wasnt for Blake Griffin missing his entire rookie year and being considered a rookie this year..Wall would’ve been the rookie of the year..

Wall has shown what he’s capable of doing..Irving has yet to play a nba game…I think Irving will be an all star…But dont say you’ll rather have him over Wall

[WizardofOzParticipant]

I don’t understand when Skip Bayless says still has too much 2-guard in him. Wall is a pure point guard, a pass-first PG at that. And he could’ve averaged more assists this season then he did because his scorers/shooters got injured late in the season, and in a lot of those games, he had to take the scoring burden. He’s an excellent passer, but he’s a good scorer too, which makes him even better.

As for the Irving v. Wall debate (not including Wall’s NBA career, comparing them strictly as college prospects), I’d give Wall the slight edge. I think both were elite-level prospects, and that they had certain that they were better at the the other. John Wall had his advantages (speed, athleticism, height, transition play), and Irving had his (half-court play, ball-handling, shooting). Irving is probably more NBA-Ready, but Wall had so much raw talent and I think that his superstar-potential was higher than Irving’s. Both are great passers and both were good defenders in college, but Wall has the ability to be a lockdown-defender at the next level because of his excellent height & wingspan (which might allow him to guard SG’s in the future), excellent lateral quickness, and instincts in the passing lanes and the ability to get blocks.

But I loved both prospects and think that Irving will also be a fantastic player.

 

[NYK2010Participant]

Clips owner is really cheap he might’ve still traded the pick if it meant not paying Baron.

Wall is better than Irving obviously.

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

Wall is much better than Irving.. but better than Lrving?  It’s a close one.

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

How can Skip say he has Too Much shooting guard in him when Wall almost averaged 10 Assists a game as a rookie?

Wall was a rookie playing with a very young team,with an offensive minded coach…So all the turnovers he created and forced shots shouldn’t have surprised anyone….

[Da1potParticipant]

 Wall had one of the best rookie seasons ever for a point guard and like all number one overall picks, he did it on a crappy team. Wall is better than Irving in every aspect of the game right now except maybe jump shooting. Does Irving really have any physical attributes that are going to stand out at the NBA level like Wall, who is on an elite level in speed, quickness, athleticism/vertical leap and who is tall for an NBA point guard? Irving does have a chance to be good, (I agree with that much) but Wall has a shot to be great.

Why do people keep saying stuff along the lines of "oh Wall put up good stats on a terrible team" and "its easy to have good stats when you’re getting blown out every other night?" No shiitt hes on a terrible team because he was the number one overall pick in last years draft by a team that only had 26 wins and basically had a "fire sale" and got rid of its big three.

[Dr.RedParticipant]

Shocking! Bayless picked a Dukie?! NO WAY! I swear Bayless is wrong about 90 percent of the time, especially when his Duke bias comes out. He does make the right call on prospects about 1 out of 10 times. But even a blind retarded monkey can be right every now and then… There is no way on Earth that Irving should be measured against Wall, yet. Wall was an all-around better prospect, but he also backed it up in the NBA!!! I can’t be definitive on Irving at this point, but he was not a pass-first pg at Duke, and Duke was a better team when he was out. Not saying he won’t be good, but I’m not a big fan, either. I don’t see the Chris Paul comparisons, either. Paul was dominant in college. I see more Conley than Paul in Irving’s game. I want to witness Irving make his squad a playoff team and make everyone better before I crown him as anything. He’s quick and can finish at the rim, but can he effectively run a team? I’d say the jury is still out. Wall all the way on this debate.

[MkadozaParticipant]

 We have absolutely no idea who will be better, and its not fair given how successful Wall has been to downgrade Irving. For all we know Irving could put up 18-9 with 2 stls and 2 tos with better percentages across the board. But I will hesitantly take Wall because of his size and athleticism.

[TeamShowtimeLakersParticipant]

irving is going to be a great point guard but this debate goes to john wall all day long….wall has the vision, the explosiveness, and the higher ceiling…skip bayless even said john wall doesnt have vision like irving!!! i think that was completely stupid because john wall has great vision to be so young.

[sheltwon3Participant]

Skip Bayless lacks creditibility.  He says stuff to cause arguments.  It is a joke to even ask if Wall is better.  The reason this draft is said to be weak is because there are no John Walls in it.

[NiceWithTheRockParticipant]

Wall is far and away better, no question. Skip Bayless really irks me. I’ve never really paid attention to him but recently I’ve just noticed how he ignores logic and rationality in an attempt to cause controversy. He argues for the sake of arguing. I think he along with Colin Cowherd just have a bias against certain players, namely John Wall and Lebron James.

[NYK2010Participant]

The big 3 like the Wiz were ever a great team please.

Jamison proved he was already done look what he did for the Cavs in the playoffs last year.

Arenas was still on the team last season he got traded this season.

Trading Butler was the real loss and the Wiz won 19 , 26 and 23 the past 3 years.

The Big 3 never won more than 43 games nothing special esp. in the East.

Wall didn’t have the greatest rookie season ever, if he did he would’ve won ROY.

Relax don’t go crazy over 8 asts a game he did avg. almost 4 turnovers on just 14 shot attempts a game.

The roster wasn’t the worst in the league Nick Young and Blatche can score and shot a good %

Hinrich and Crawford too even though they weren’t on the roster the whole year.

 

 

[KrobifyParticipant]

 This is crazy, Wall didn’t win ROY because Blake Griffin was in the race as well.  Griffin would’ve beat out Rose in his rookie year as well.  We all know the Wizards suck, and the fact that John Wall can even manage to get 8 assists amazes me, he averaged almost 4 turnovers a game because he was forced to when all of Washington’s scorers went down because of injuries.  Blatche missed a ton of games due to injury and could’nt get in shape because he partying every night.

You sound like a John Wall hater to me, there is a reason the Wizards won less than 25 games, Wall has nobody around except Nick Young(the second best player on the team this year).

[ilike.panochasParticipant]

Kyrie Irving has All Star PG potential

But John Wall has Superstar potential.

Irving is not in Wall’s class as far as a prospect and NBA potential.

[NYK2010Participant]

I’m not a Wall hater but he took 14 shots a game and shot 40% along with 4 turnovers.

You can’t just exclude that say well he was a rookie if we’re talking about him being an All time great player.

Everything can’t be based on his great athleticism and what he did in 1 year in Kentucky.

The assist 8 are awesome but a PG does get judged on how the team does offensively.

The Wiz do have Blatche who isn’t a garbage player and Hinrich, Crawford.

Yeah there lacking a great player but Wall is supposed to make others better too.

Its Griffin who will probably end up an All time great player,not to say Wall won’t be a great player who makes

All NBA teams in his career.  Not everyone is an all time great player.

I’m a fan of him becaz of his steals combined with his speed they create fast break points and obviously his jumper will get better.

If you think I’m a hater then your way off, it takes a lot to be 1 of the best ever.

[Malik-UniversalParticipant]

skip bayless is a dumbass when it comes to the nba…

John Wall has elite athletism, and elite potential, and wall is unselfish, so how is there to much two guard in him he averaged over 8 apg

irving is a very good player but he is really outta shape right now by the showing of his 10 percent body fat

and hasnt even played a summer leauge game for god sakes lol

how is this even a debate

skip bayless is just a dumbass who no knoweledge of the nba what so ever

 

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