[GoodbyeChandlerParticipant]

no matter what, every year in the draft there is the same type of player, the european dude who everybody hypes up until hes a lottery pick. this draft its ricky rubio. however this time, hes not a 6-10 or 7″ dude who takes 3s all day. according to draft experts, his strengths are his handle decision making and “iq” (which to me, iq is a load of crap). but, despite being from europe, aka jumpshots r us, his weakness is his shot. does anyone else buy the hype?

[R-Dot-13Participant]

agreed, there are many better pgs in this draft that will be better than him .

[sheltwon3Participant]

The NBA players that played against him seem to think he can ball and most of the player from Spain have been good.

[mb6297]

Ricky Rubio will suck….

I’ve lost like 30 points in the last several hours because I am telling this reality to everyone.

90% of the people that praise Rubio haven’t even seen him play a single game. They watch 2 minute video clips of him making a fancy play and they assume it is consistent. They are all caught up in the media hype.

The kid averages 2.4 pts and 2.3 turnovers in the Euroleague. His team only played him in 5 of 10 Euroleague games.

I honestly won’t even feel bad for the kid because he acts like a cocky, arrogant little brat.

(kickstand, get ready to lose some points buddy)

[gatorheelsParticipant]

I think Rubio is a solid PG prospect but I would take at least 3 PGs in this draft over him.

[mb6297]

When Carlos Arroyo played against the US in the Olympics, he looked like Kobe Bryant.

When Sarunas Jasikevicius played against the US in the Olympics, he scored 28 pts.

Playing well in the Olympics doesn’t mean you can play in the US. It’s a different game.

Rubio was like the 8th best player on Spains team.

Mills (Australia) outperformed Rubio in the Olympics and put a St. Mary’s DI school on the map… why isn’t he going top 5? Because he is not flashy and because he is not getting any media hype.

[GoodbyeChandlerParticipant]

i am not saying he will suck, even though the only place he could become a valuable player is ny, but im saying, there is a little too much hype about him. he plays in europe, where all american scrubs go to become the kobes on their teams, and people are quick to judge him because of 3 minutes of nice handle and nice passes. last time i checked a game is not 3 minutes, let alone a season.

[knicksfreakParticipant]

I never buy into European players but I like the 2 prospects from spain. Rubio is hated on because hes not extremely athletic. Claver isnt getting much love but he looks like the toughest European player I’ve seen. These 2 guys dont look like Euro-softies and I think they can have strong careers in the NBA.

[AllenParticipant]

Rubio has been at the top of the draft boards for years.

[fliptonnParticipant]

only time will tell lol

[auberParticipant]

A solid player that needs time to transition. Calderon is doing quite nicely in the league.

[sayanythingParticipant]

His team didn’t sit him out from games. He was injured the beginning games and was having a tough time when he first came back because he had surgery on his right wrist. And Rubio didn’t only play well in the olympics, he’s dominated international competition. Don’t say he was held out of Euroleague games, do your research, he was named Mr. Europea, which is the top European basketball player. And he didn’t average as good numbers as Patty Mills because Patty Mills was the go to scorer on his team. Rubios role was to play defense and set up his teammates, which he did admireably because he got his team to the Finals. He had Pau Gasol and Rudy Fernandez to score.
The pont is, he’s done everything that’s been asked of him, what else do you want him to do? 51 point triple doubles at FIBA competitions, guarding Chris Paul, the Mr. Europea award, been praised by USA olympians. He is overhyped, I will admit, but there’s a reason the media has given him attention. The kid is so young, he still has a lot of time to develop. Only time will tell if the hype is worth it, but don’t discredit him because of it. It’s not his fault he’s done everything that’s asked of him.

[RickyRubio9Participant]

I think most Basketball fans would’ve watched the Olympics and saw Rubio play. I mean, I know I waited to watch the Spain games before making up my mind and even if some of the competetion isn’t good in the Olympics he still played very good for someone at his age. Can everyone just leave the kid alone and wait until he is in the league at least for 3 years then make your choice on bust or not. How is he cocky and a brat? Please don’t say because of not wanting to play for OKC or Memphis because that’s more on his agent and he needs to make a profit so going to a good better market will bring in money and will be able to afford the buyout without a problem and the kid obviously isn’t use to losing so why wouldn’t he want to be with a contender. Plus, Pau Gasol and Juan Carlos Navarro both have said Memphis isn’t exactly the best place to go when coming over. Name me some Spanish Players that haven’t done good in our league? Raul Lopez? He got badly injured. Navarro was good as a rookie, both Gasols are doing better then average, Calderon is really starting to look like a future all star, Wally S. was really good, but has dropped off, Rudy Fernandez? No comment. Jorge Garbojosa was good when over here. Only one who hasn’t done so great is Sergio, but many say he needs to be in the right system. Point is, get off his **** already, he’s a kid from another country just doing what he loves yet tons of Americans hate on him. If he were black people wouldn’t be so harsh. Americans just love for foreigners to fail. When it’s 2011 then tell me what you think about him until then there isn’t any point to judge. Dude hasn’t even stepped on an NBA Court. (Yes, obviously this is alot and obviously I’m a fan of Rubio.)

[piratejpParticipant]

I don’t know if he’ll be good or not – he certainly has a ton of potential. I just hope the Kings don’t trade up to get him. If he falls to them & they deem him the best PG on the board, fine. But the deals that have the Kings moving up range from the ridiculous to the asinine & if there is a nugget of truth to any of them, the Kings would be wise to just take a wait-and-see approach in regards to this draft & Rubio.

[gatorheelsParticipant]

I totally agree with you piratejo. Rubio isn’t worth trading up for. The Kings should just stay put and draft the best PG available at #4.

[PringlesParticipant]

What do you clowns know about scouting? Did you guys say the same about Dirk, Gasol, Parker, Calderon, Ginobli, Scola…etc. too?

[knicksfreakParticipant]

The problem is all the”next Dirk” hype.

[TocaneParticipant]

You’re acting like American players are instant stars when it comes to being drafted.

Lets take a look at the lottery picks of the past eight drafts:

2000 Draft (one european bust – 10 domestic busts) – not a very good draft in general

Kenyon Martin – #1 overall pick – former allstar but now above average starter
Stromile Swift – #2 overall pick – bust
Darius Miles – #3 overall pick – bust
Marcus Fizer – #4 overall pick – bust
Miker Miller – #5 overall pick – solid player
Dermarr Johnson – #6 overall pick – bust
Chris Mihm – #7 overall pick – bust
Jamal Crawford – #8 overall pick – good player
Joel Pryzbilla – #9 overall pick – bust
Keyon Dooling – #10 overall pick – bust
(Jerome Moiso) – #11 overall pick – European bust
Etan Thomas – #12 overall pick – bust
Courtney Alexander – #13 overall pick – bust
Mateen Cleaves – #14 overall pick – bust

2001 Draft (one european bust – seven domestic busts) – not a very good draft in general

Kwame Brown – #1 overall pick – bust
Tyson Chandler – #2 overall pick – solid player
Pau Gasol – #3 overall pick – European allstar
Eddy Curry – #4 overall pick – bust
Jason Richardson – #5 overall pick – good player
Shane Battier – #6 overall pick – bust for being #6 pick
Eddie Griffin – #7 overall pick – bust
Desagana Diop – #8 overall pick – bust
Rodney White – # 9 overall pick – bust
Joe Johnson – #10 overall pick – allstar
Kedrick Brown – #11 overall pick – bust
(Vladimir Radmanovic) – #12 overall pick – European bust
Richard Jefferson – #13 overall pick – good player
Troy Murphy – #14 overall pick – good player

2002 Draft (one European bust – eight domestic busts) – not a very good draft in general

Yao Ming – #1 overall pick – allstar
Jay Williams – #2 overall pick – bust
Mike Dunleavy – #3 overall pick – once good but now injury-ridden
Drew Gooden – #4 overall pick – bust
(Nikoloz Tskitishvili) – #5 overall pick – European bust
Dajuan Wagner – #6 overall pick – bust
Nene -#7 overall pick – allstar caliber center
Chris Wilcox – #8 overall pick – bust
Amare Stoudemire – #9 overall pick – allstar
Caron Butler – #10 overall pick – allstar
Jared Jeffries – #11 overall pick – bust
Melvin Ely #12 overall pick – bust
Marcus Haislip – #13 overall pick – bust
Fred Jones – #14 overall pick – bust

2003 Draft – One of the best drafts in history (one European bust – five domestic busts)

Lebron James – #1 overall pick – allstar
(Darko Milicic) – #2 overall pick – European bust
Carmelo Anthony – #3 overall pick – allstar
Chris Bosh – #4 overall pick – allstar
Dwyane Wade – #5 overall pick – allstar
Chris Kaman – #6 overall pick – solid player
Kirk Hinrich – #7 overall pick – solid player
T.J. Ford – #8 overall pick – good player
Michael Sweetney – #9 overall pick – bust
Jarvis Hayes – #10 overall pick – bust
Mickael Pietrus – #11 overall pick – solid player
Nick Collison – #12 overall pick – bust
Marcus Banks #13 overall pick – bust
Luke Ridnour #14 overall pick – bust

2004 Draft (no European busts – six domestic busts)

Dwight Howard – #1 overall pick – allstar
Emeka Okafor – #2 overall pick – good player
Ben Gordon – #3 overall pick – good player
Shaun Livingston – #4 overall pick – bust
Devin Harris – #5 overall pick – allstar
Josh Childress – #6 overall pick – solid but bust for being #6 pick (average player for Olympiacos)
Luol Deng – #7 overall pick – good player
Rafael Araujo – #8 overall pick – not European but bust
Andre Iguodala – #9 overall pick – good player
Luke Jackson – #10 overall pick – bust
Andris Biedrins – #11 overall pick – good player
Robert Swift – #12 overall pick – bust
Sebastian Telfair – #13 overall pick – bust
Kris Humphries – #14 overall pick – bust

2005 Draft (one European bust – four domestic busts)

Andrew Bogut – #1 overall pick – good player
Marvin Williams -#2 overall pick – good player
Deron Williams – #3 overall pick – allstar caliber player
Chris Paul – #4 overall pick – allstar
Raymond Felton – #5 overall pick – good player
Martell Webster – #6 overall pick – injury-ridden and may end up as a bust
Charlie Villanueva – #7 overall pick – good player
Channing Frye – #8 overall pick – bust
Ike Diogu – #9 overall pick – bust
Andrew Bynum – #10 overall pick – good player
Fran Vasquez – #11 overall pick – hasn’t played in NBA yet
(Yaroslav Korolev) – #12 overall pick – European bust
Sean May – #13 overall pick – bust
Rashad McCants – #14 overall pick – bust

2006 Draft (no European busts – three domestic busts)

Andrea Bargnani – #1 overall pick – good player
LaMarcus Aldridge – #2 overall pick – good player
Adam Morrison – #3 overall pick – bust
Tyrus Thomas – #4 overall pick – solid player but may end up as bust
Shelden Williams – #5 overall pick – bust
Brandon Roy – #6 overall pick – allstar
Randy Foye – #7 overall pick – good player
Rudy Gay – #8 overall pick – good player
Patrick O’Bryant – #9 overall pick – bust
Mouhamed Sene – #10 overall pick – not European but bust
J.J. Redick – #11 overall pick – solid player but may end up as bust
Hilton Armstrong – #12 overall pick – solid player but may end up as bust
Thabo Stefolosha – #13 overall pick – European bust
Ronnie Brewer – #14 overall pick – good player

2007 Draft (no European busts – three domestic busts)

Greg Oden – #1 overall pick – injury-ridden but may end up as bust
Kevin Durant – #2 overall pick – allstar caliber player
Al Horford – # 3 overall pick – solid player
Mike Conley – #4 overall pick – solid but may end up as bust
Jeff Green – #5 overall pick – good player
Yi Jianlian – #6 overall pick – not European but may end up as bust
Corey Brewer – #7 overall pick – bust
Brandan Wright – #8 overall pick – solid but may end up as bust
Joakim Noah – #9 overall pick – solid player
Spencer Hawes- #10 overall pick – solid player
Acie Law – #11 overall pick – bust
Thaddeus Young – #12 overall pick – good player
Julian Wright – #13 overall pick – bust
Al Thornton – #14 overall pick – good player

2008 Draft (too soon to tell)

Derrick Rose – #1 overall pick – allstar caliber player
Michael Beasley – #2 overall pick – allstar caliber player
O.J. Mayo – #3 overall pick – allstar caliber player
Russell Westbrook #4 overall pick – allstar caliber player
Kevin Love – #5 overall pick – good player
Danilo Gallinari – #6 overall pick – injured most of the season, so no way to tell
Eric Gordon – #7 overall pick – good player
Joe Alexander – #8 overall pick – didn’t get enough playing time
D.J. Augustin – #9 overall pick – good player
Brook Lopez – #10 overall pick – good player
Jerryd Bayles – #11 overall pick – didn’t get enough playing time
Jason Thompson – #12 overall pick – good player
Brandon Rush – #13 overall pick – solid player
Anthony Randoplh – #14 overall pick – good player

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From what I’ve looked at, there’s not too many lottery-based players coming from Europe. Since that’s the case, it’s hard to suggest that there’s a connection between European players and them being busts. That’s like a statistician saying American people don’t like foreigners when he only interviews 20 people (14 happen to not like foreigners). The sample size is too small and leads to an erroneous conclusion.

The only way we can determine whether European players are busts is if more European players are taken in the lottery. Right now, that’s not the case therefore there can’t be an argument.

[knicksfreakParticipant]

Is Pryzbilla American? You’re right. Bust percentages are probably even.

[ckowalskiParticipant]

What are your definitions of a bust? A lot of the players you mentioned as busts are solid role players in the NBA and some of them have been injured from the start and havent really been able to show what they can do. Others that you mention as allstars or solid players really arent. I would consider Yao a bust because he hasnt done what he was drafted to do which was lead his team to a championship; it took him 7 years just to lead them out of the first round of the playoffs. technically youre right he is an allstar as far as the allstar voting is concerned but in my eyes he just looks like a complementary player. if every team had 12 kobes or 12 lebrons they would have payrolls of 300 million a season.

[Stanford hoopsParticipant]

before i can even read anymore i just had to adress this…ive played in spain and have seen rubio play 9 games in 2 years..he has skills and potenial but he is overhayped..thats first off second he DID NOT DOMINATE international competition..he averged 4pts 3rebs 3 ast 2 turnovers in the olympicsso you might wanna do youre research ..he was hurt during the euro leauge games but so was others and he didnt play well at all…also he didnt win the top player award he won the other award for the top player under the age of 20 (or 21 not sure which it is) so that excludes 99 percent of the best players over there.

[gatorheelsParticipant]

josh nice to see you giving input on some of these international players. Since you have played with a lot of them I would like hear more from about what you think of this years international draft prospects. Do you know anything about Macvan, De Colo, Norel, Jerebko, etcc…. I’m just curious who you think is overrated and who has a chance to make it in the league.

[Stanford hoopsParticipant]

pretty good players but not particularly ready…second round picks or players that should go back for another year…this is a pretty weak year for euros..another this is even if some have the same talent as some of these college players it takes them a min to get used to the nba game because over there most of the players arent as fast or as athletic….but if alof of them played in europe and then went to college then the nba..the draft would be alot different because theyd have a chance to get used to the game over here and you add the best of euro talent and nba taletn

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