Enes Kanter -- please explain
I never did understand why utah made this pick last year. Everyone talks about him being the center of the future there. However, they have this guy named Al Jefferson who is 20-10 every nite. He is under contract until the end of next year and I couldn't imagine that they're not going to try to offer him an extension. It doesn't make sense to me that they'd use their 3rd overall pick as an insurance policy if Al Jefferson doesn't resign in 2013. That seems like a big waste. So far, Kanter has contributed nothing this year. Even if he does have a load of upside, how could Jefferson still not be considered their C of the future. He's only 27. They should have traded the pick if they didn't like Brandon Knight or Kemba Walker.
When is the last time a team won an NBA title with an unathletic 6'9 center?
Utah is nowhere close to championship status. Why use your 3rd pick on a guy who has no chance to contribute meaningful minutes
He hasnt really gotten alot of time, just 13 mins per game averaging 4.5 points and 4.2, especially late in the season. From what I have seen he is a big time rebounder, needs work on the defense, offense is not really polished, he seems pretty strong, has a mid range jumper but doesnt use it, and does NOT play above the rim (cant really jump). I mean its just his rookie season plus it is a lockout season without a training camp and he has not played for a while because of his ineligibility. All in all ITS TOO EARLY TOO TELL...I mean give the guy a little bit more time he can be a Al Horford like player hopefully.
I don't think Kanter was a bad pick at all, and he does play well in the limited amount of time that he's out there. He is a beast on the glass, and has some strong moves in the paint. He's only averaging 4 ppg and 4 rpg, but the guy does work when he's out there for a 19 year old.
You're also missing the possibilities that drafting Kantor gave the Jazz. I personally love Derrick Favors, and see him as the future big along with Milsap, and Kanter coming off the bench. As the Lakers and Bulls have proven, theirs no fault to having to much size.
With possibly two lottery picks, or no lottery picks, they could package what ever talent they want and try to bring in a nice pieace. Dragic and Kevin Martin for Al works salery wise, and would give both teams exactly what they want. This team wouldn't be too bad going forward considering Burkes, Kanter, and Favors arn't even old enough to drink yet haha. And with Martin and Harris coming off the books the Jazz would have a couple huge expirering contracts at the end of next year
PG. Dragic- Harris
PF Milsap- Kanter
C Favors- Kanter
Jefferson has always been the type of player who put up good numbers but they didn't matter. He doesn't have the effect on a game you want, he doesn't draw double teams or play great defense he just kinda picks up a few points and rebounds here and there every quarter and it ends up looking like a good game in the box score.
All you have to do is go back on League Pass and watch the last Laker game against the Jazz. Watch Kanter shut down Bynum, who couldn't budge Kanter after destroying Jefferson. Kanter had what...17 and 11 in extended minutes?
Jefferson is a good offensive center, and a liability on defense. The Jazz play much better defense when Kanter is in there(along with Favors)
2008, Kendrick Perkins is the same size as Jefferson and not very athletic.
Thats not fair Joe you know thats a different situation that was the first year of the Original big three Garnett was still a great defensive guy and Perkins is a defensive Center not offensive like Jefferson.
Its not that they didn't like Knight or Walker, its that Kanter was the best available with the 3rd pick. Look at who was available at 3: Tristan Thompson (too much like Paul Millsap but not enough offense to select him) Jonas Valanciunas (still in Europe), Jan Vesely (he's not nearly the guy a team wants with a top 3 pick), Bismack(same as Vesely), Knight or Walker(They liked Knight but he's not the point guard for the Jazz because he is not a distributor, but more of a scorer. Also he's on a strict learning curve.)
His upside was clearly valued. They already traded for Favors earlier last season, and with his considerable upside one has to reason that eventually Jefferson or Millsap would have to leave. Besides with Jefferson still there, Utah can live with him "not contributing". For that matter Utah has survived with both of their draft picks from last "not contributing. Neither start, and both get an average of 15 min. a game.
But I disagree, I think that both rookies even with limited minutes have contributed very well. Burks has used his athleticism to get in the lane, and when he gets inside, he will not be denied. That determination and confidence has helped the Jazz become a better inside scoring team. Kanter has gotten of boards with his limited minutes. He's 4.2 boards a game in just 13 min. per game. That's quite the manhaul of boards. Most big men bench players struggle to get 2 boards a game with only 13 min. a game, Kanter has doubled that with the same amount of limited time. His determination to get the rebound, has gotten more touches, and more chances to score. As always, If you can't rebound, you're going to have a hard time winning games. So both Kanter and Burks have helped Utah win games even with limited minutes. That to me is contributing.
Last year you could say that there was a big drop off right after the 2nd pick. Everyone knew the first two picks would be Irving and Williams, but after that noone was sure who goes next. Clearly with Knight's learning curve that he had to make, Kemba's size, Thompson's too close resemblance to Millsap, and Valanciunas still being in Europe, Kanter was the best available. And actually Utah did try to trade the pick for Derrick Williams but Minnesota wouldn't accept.
I am actually very happy with both rookies. They have contributed with limited minutes so I know that with Miles likely gone next year Burks will definitely be a factor next year and could potentially start! If not, he'll at least be a strong sixth man for the Jazz. Kanter has also contributed with limited minutes. Jefferson is likely to be traded soon. My bet is that he will be traded this offseason, giving starters minutes to either Kanter or Favors, but most likely Favors.
Clearly Utah's rookies have contributed even with limited minutes, and Kanter has justified being the 3rd pick. Even with Jefferson taking up most of his minutes, Utah size has proven to be a factor to many opponents, and has helped the Jazz make the playoffs this year.
More importantly did you see how weird and orange he looked last night?
I think Kanter was a good pick for the same reason MJBrown doesn't. The Jazz aren't a title contender now so it makes sense they took the best player available rather than a player who projected to get the most minutes as a rookie. Kanter has nice potential and has performed well in limited minutes. I know it is a cliche, but there really is no such thing as having too many good big men. The pgs available were reaches and they did get a solid wing player later in the draft in Burks. I think Valanciunas will have the better career, but I don't really have a major problem with Kanter going over him.
ueah I was at the laker game vs the Jazz and Kanter scored 7 points and was a big reason why they won. He had some nice up and under moves and got to the foul line. And more importantly made his free throws. Once he polishes his game more I think he'll be a solid starter in this league. maybe even a top 10 one
Kanter is going to be good. He just needs time. In some aspects of the game, he's played really well. Who should they have taken? They are log jammed at the four....Hayward is the future at the three. I think Kanter offers a lot of value.....brandon Knight hasnt looked very good so far.....so I cant knock this pick at all.
I just said that because of the nature of the comment. The Chicago Bulls won a title with Luc Longley holding down the middle and the Spurs won one with Nazr Mohammad doing the same. 6'9'' and unathletic don't matter as much as how that player fits with the team.
I also seem to remember every Jazz fan haitng Jefferson last year and wanting him out. The Jazz seem to be reloading with young players, while keeping their vets. Even if they choose to re-sign Jefferson, Kanter still has value as a trading piece. Or if they can't or don't want to resign Jefferson, they don't have to go out and get someone. By the way Kanter has played this season, I feel he'll be ready to start by the beginning of his 3rd season.
Last night in one of the biggest games of the season Kanter played 13 minutes and did pretty good actually with 9 points on 4-5 shooting and 2 rebounds. Showed some nice range on his jumpshot and has some really nice post moves. Just not getting the minutes to put up some big numbers. When you have Favors getting 16 points, 11 rebounds, 2 assists, 2 steals, and a block in 36 minutes why play Kanter more than you need to?
In this league you cannot have too many good bigmen, so I see why the Jazz took Kanter instead of pickign a point guard. Harris is doing great right now and they can always go for a point guard via free agency like Dragic or via draft like Marshall or Lillard.
I was pretty impressed when Kanter hit that 18 foot baseline jumper, last night. I didn't know he had that kind of range.
I didn't see Kanter play yesterday, but I saw his fellow #3 pick Derrick Favors, and he looked good, he's strong, he could definatly learn a few post moves from Jefferson. But neither Favors or Kanter are gonna become star centers. I see Favors becoming a strong big that plays great D and gets you 15 and 8, and Kanter being a Joakim Noah type at 10 and 10.
I don't see the Al Horford comparison... Enes Kanter isn't as athletic and just doesn't move as well side to side. He doesn't have that kind of mobility.
I like him though. He's strong underneath. Good offensive rebounder. Good hands and feet. Good footwork. I can see him becoming a consistent mid-range shooter too.
I like the Jazz a lot, mainly because of their front court. I think they're going to play the Spurs tough in the first round if they get in.
The Washington Bullets with Wes Unseld.
Good pick for the Jazz. Most bigs need time to develop especially one who hadn't played basketball in about a year. Jefferson can score and rebound but he can't defend at all and isn't the center of the future for the Jazz.
It was a good pick....who else would you have wanted them to draft?
theres nothing wrong with taking a raw prospect like Kanter, esp when you DO have some good big men he can learn from...somebody will want Al Jefferson enough when he's ready to expire and maybe Utah can trade him and/or Millsap for some more peices (picks, guards, etc.) With Favors and Kanter learning slowly but steadily, i think it will really help them in the long run...
Did those who says kanter is unathletic watch the combine?
He barley played meaningful mins in 2 years. look what mullens is doing what his chance kanter will do the same. Rember favors also got off to a slow start but look at him now and on the west you can never have to many bigs.Utah is set for the next 5 to 10 year at the pf and center postion with the 4 they have not to mention players overseas.What many of you dont know Kanter has the range to hit the 3 one reason utah was interested.He has the upside but is going thru a rookie role right now untill he proves himself worthy of a bigger one.
as a jazz fan i was not 100% sold on kanter at first because its not like we got to see him play much before the draft but i am very happy we got him and like others here say, who else should we of gotten? i will be a little sad to see one of the other bigs go but that is life i guess. if it will make us better by trading big al then i am okay with it
Whoever said Big Al puts up meaningless stats hasnt been watching Utah this year. He is their end of game go to guy offensively. Everytime they need a basket, there is no doubt about it, they are going inside on a right box post up with Big Al. Hes really improved his passing out of the post since his days in MN and he still has a top 5 pure post up game in the NBA.
Kanter was definitly not a bad pick. There are 2 things you can never have enough of in the NBA, shooters and size. True Centers are not easy to find and Kanter has the potential to be one. Plus its not like the guys that went after him are putting up big numbers either, the only guy I think I may think twice about picking over him would be Knight in a redraft.
"i will be a little sad to see one of the other bigs go but that is life i guess. if it will make us better by trading big al then i am okay with it"
Big Al has really grown on me this year. He's become a much better all-around player in his time with Utah. He's learned to pass the ball better, and doesn't stop the offense as much as he used to. I stated on more than one occasion that he was incapable of playing winning basketball, and he's starting to make me look foolish. I still think Jefferson's the odd man out as far as our bigs go (looking ahead, anyway), but I'd no longer take any pleasure in seeing him leave.
Right on. I feel the same way about Big Al. He's really grown on me. Learned how to pass out of the post, he even hedged a bit on a pick and roll last night.
Nice to have too many bigs.
except point guard. Kanter, Favors, Hayward and Burkes. The thing about not picking the guy you picked is, who instead? I think Tristan Thopmson is a better prospect but like everyone, I mean everyone, except Chris Grant, thought Kanter was a better prospect. His touch around the rim in that Nike game was incredible. I thought he had the touch of Sullinger with a couple inches of height. Plus Thompson and Favors doesnt work well as they both are better at power forward.That equals a good pick in a historically poor draft. The Jazz has always put a premium at point guard, they want a guy they unequivocally love.That must not have been the case with Brandon Knight. I remember reports that he wouldn't workout with the other point guards and was seen as a prima donna. Wait til next year and get that guy or keep waiting. They had Devin Harris and nobody not even them wants that contract.
If I'm Kevin O'Conner and the Cavs call me and say, "we'll give you Thompson for Kanter...." I say no and hang up the phone. Kanter's going to be good, but when their are 4 bigs and three of them are named Jefferson, Millsap, and Favors, and you're a 19 yr old who didn't have a training camp or play in two years... you're not going to get a ton of time on a playoff team.
He'll be good. Trust me.
another thing i love about big al is his attitude, he just is a happy guy that is very humble imo. when he first came here it was like he won the lotto, he was so happy. he is a jazz fan too. he is a good leader. did you know he got half the team going to church before every game? it has made the team closer and they are not just team mates but good friends. it would be sad for me if he were to go to another team. i understand you gotta do what you have to do but that can suck.
Millsap and Jefferson are both out of contract next season so there is a chance one may move on and Utah kept all bases covered by drafting Kanter. Also they had not seen a lot of Favours come last draft day so again took another insurance policy knowing that Okur was likely to be moved on.
Jefferson I believe will have his first ever winning season this year and whilst his stats may not have always contributed to wins, I've never heard anything really negative about him as a person so hopefully he can help his undoubted talent produce results for his team.
There are players, like Kanter that many fans like to point out the low amount of minutes they play as the reason for their lack of statistical production, specifically when regarding rookies. But rookies who are good, play. Kenneth Faried is good, so he starts on a playoff team. Chandler Parsons is good, so he starts/gets major minutes on a decent team. If Enes Kanter was good, he would play more. Bottom line. And the fact their backcourt is so weak even makes it more puzzling why they picked a big man their. It is true that Jefferson, Favors, and Millsap give them a decent big man rotation, and even if Kanter develops, clearly he isn't going to be a transcendent player who is worth picking when you already are stacked at that position.
How do you get playing time with two allstar cal bigs on your team not to mention favors as the 3rd big?
Kenneth Faried is an elite rebounder when you dont have a good rebounder on the team but a shot blocking and a scoring big in Al you give Faried mins to rebound.Come to find out he does more so he gets more mins.
THE BIGGEST THING IS if kanter becomes a good or great player like most top 5 picks THE JAZZ CAN TRADE HIM in A LEAGUE WHERE GOOD BIGS ARE HIGH VALUED.Utah made the right choice they win no matter what they got AL for free and wait they got kanter off an owed draft pick thats a win no matter what.They would have took klay but he was gone so they got alec.Numerous ppl(professional analyst) have said the Jazz had one if not the best draft that day.
Kanter is a good player and a load on the boards. He fits really remarkably well next to Favors for the future. Big Al is good,not great, but I'd move him to Houston for a 1 if possible.
^^^Faried wouldnt start on the Jazz....
How do you get playing time with two allstar cal bigs on your team not to mention favors as the 3rd big?
Why do you pick a Center, if you have 2 all star calibur bigs and the worst back court in the NBA?
Because he was the best available player.
Besides, Utah was horrible last year. The team wasn't trying to build around Millsap and Jefferson, as duo hadn't yet proven that they could function well together. A Favors/Kanter combination made (and still makes) a ton of sense.
It makes sense, except Utah is almost a playoff team, and would be one if they had any semblence of guards. Heard of trading down?
The roster they finished the season with last year was not almost a playoff team. They only won 12 of their final 41 games. Most people projected the Jazz to finish in the bottom five in the league this season. The team was clearly rebuilding, and they weren't looking to build around Jefferson. Kanter has a lot more potential than either Knight or Walker, and it's much harder to find a great center than a great guard.
Kanter was the smart pick, and the best pick Utah could have made at their position.