I think he is going to be a scary player. Anyone still taking Jonas over Kanter.
I've been waiting for a Kanter thread because I didn't feel like making one. I'm a huge Kanter fan, even thought the Cavs should of considered him with the 1st pick over Kyrie. In hindsight that's ridiculous but he's easily in my eyes the 2nd best player from that draft.
Enes Kanter has all the tools to become a top 3 Center in this league and finally with Big Al's injury he's getting to show his stuff. He just had 23points and 22 rebounds the other night.
Derrick Favors and Enes Kanter are a very high upside frontcourt. much more so than millsap and jefferson. If I were utah, I would look at things this way. We're in the twilight zone, we've got the talent that COULD bring us to the playoffs but also has too good a record for us to rebuild through the draft. They are on the verge of loosing their 2 starting bigs, as well as their 2 starting guards. With all the money and opportunity they have, I say that they try to get a main guy like Tyreke Evans (who doesn't play well with his current team in sacremento) who will also be a free agent this year. They could look to other very good perimeter players like Oj Mayo who are frustrated by their team's performance this year... good luck UTAH!
Salt Lake City isn't exactly a hot bed for bringing in top notch free agents. They really should have traded either Jefferson or Milsap because I don't think it will be easy to sign any key players even with the cap space they will have.
Utah's bench outperforms and impresses me so much more than that mediocre lineup they run out there every night. I think they should just trot out Kanter, Favors, Burks, Hayward, etc to take their lumps and grab another high pick if they can't get someone dynamic in free agency. Of course people have been saying that for two years now and nothing has changed, but one can hope I suppose. Kanter and Favors have some impressive potential
They have their frontcourt of the future with Favors, Kanter and Hayward. so they should look to move jefferson and millsap at the end of the season and try to get a couple of young Guards, say, Eric Bledsoe? and try to get some draft picks that maybe they can package to trade up and get a Shooting Guard in this draft or next
Jefferson and Millsap are free agent why they didn't get traded already is beyond me but it seems like Utah missed a huge opp to get something in return.
Players can't develop unless they get playing time so it's makes little sense to keep somebody glued to a bench thinking it's going to make him better. That's what Utah is doing with Kanter.
Kanter went 8-11 and had 17 points in only 20 minutes. Can somebody tell me why he only played 20 minutes?
That's it. The guy simply cannot play anyone ahead of a vet regardless of how great they are playing. As a Jazz fan I'm cheering for the Jazz to tank and miss the playoffs in the hope that Ty will get fired as a result. After watching him "coach" for more than two years, it's clear he's flat-out terrible. And his upside as a coach appears very low.
Don't worry I feel your pain, Doug Collins is the same way except Collins knows how to actually coach for the most part. We had to endure 2 years of Jodie Meeks starting over Turner, and this year without any good bigs, we've had to endure Arnett Moultrie ride the pine in favor of guys like Kwame Brown. Finally Moultrie has looked great these last few games the guy can really play.
Hayward need to slow down in the last minute. i watched few games where he turn the ball over at the last minute of the game.
Utah has an embarrassment of riches in the front court, they are absolutely LOADED. Kanter and Favors are going to be ridiculously frightening for the future, Kanter is going to be an offensive force and Favors can protect the rim like no other. But what I can't understand is why they didn't deal either Jefferson or Millsap? Don't get me wrong, I love both of them but they're both Free Agents this summer, they could've had Bledsoe for Millsap and possibly a guy like Avery Bradley for Jefferson, or even better talents maybe. Still, Utah has to be licking their chops about the D-Will trade, they were able to get two potentially great young big men for a disgruntled overrated star who had already peaked(He was amazing to watch in Utah, but I don't know what has gotten into him in New Jersey).
Major kudos for shouting out Kanter. As evidenced by him dropping from 293lbs to 242lbs over the past year, his work ethic is very impressive to say the least. In interviews you can tell he is humble, and genuinely wants to learn and get better. He already has "dominant rebounder" written all over him, and has an ever improving offensive skill set with a reliable jumper out to 15 feet. He's shown major improvement in his foul rate as well, and once he put's it all together I can see him realistically averaging around 18p,13r, 2b per game (at his ceiling).
I pointed this out when that story broke, but can somebody tell me when Kanter became out of shape? I find it hard to believe he was ever even 290 lbs, and I find it extremely hard to believe he's only 243. When he got drafted he weighed over 250 lbs with only 5% body fat which is an incredible number. Kanter has always been somewhat of a specimen.
You're absolutely right! As I was typing my post, I had to double-check like 3 times that I read the article of his weight loss correctly lol While I think he's noticeably trimmed his physique, 243 lbs is very hard for me to believe as are reports of him weighing over 290 lbs. If I had to guess, I think he's more like 260 lbs right now and before the weight loss was closer to 280 lbs. Great reply dude! +1
If you had to draft them today who would you take Kanter, Thompson, or Valanciunas
Kanter, Vucevic, Thompson then Valanciunas.
The thing when thinking about 'redrafting' is you have to consider that there were originally some concerns about his knees, it only takes one day for a knee problem to surface. I love his game and want him to succeed, but you know what these big men are like with leg injuries.
We all assumed a deal would be made to trade Millsap or Jefferson on or near to deadline day but maybe teams who will chase them in the FA market were reluctant to give up too much and so Utah didn't get any deals they liked.
Also Utah in 7th/8th seeding spot maybe decided to keep the line up together to try and consolidate this position and the play off revenue it would generate not being a so called "major market team".
I don't know why they didn't trade Jefferson. I like the idea of keeping Milsap and a fair price and letting the 3 share minutes(32 a game for each if you would like). Milsap is a good guy to have around and you can get value for him later if you would like. I think Jefferson is gone though. They could have got something for him but I guess they want to stay in the playoff hunt. I'm sure they could have even with out Jefferson though. Oh well, the future is still bright in Utah.
I think Kanter will be a star. He is an absolute beast, but he can also face up and hit a 15 footer. I think he and Favors are a great pair going forward, both are physically imposing with very good size, but I think Kanter will emerge as a top 5 center in the league.
Related to JoeWolf1's comment: seeing that Favors is 6'10 and Kanter also a tall 6'11, will they be able to contain smaller and quicker PF's like James, Anthony, or even Griffin and Faried? That's normally the problem which I have with having two real big guys (similar to Gasol/Howard, although Kanter and Favors are both better defenders than Gasol).
and Gasol/Bynum won 2 titles together...
That's why keeping Millsap would be a good idea. Millsap is a really good defender who can defend face up PFs as well as some bigger SFs. Not only that but he can stretch the floor as well and provide spacing for whoever's operating on the block.
I'm much more impressed and intrigued by Kanter's skillset. I think he has 20 10 capability. He's a skilled, physical guy who can operate on the block or step away, which makes him a threat anywhere from 18 ft on down. His footwork is beautiful to watch when he doesn't rush his moves. He's got a great feel for the post and has counters over either shoulder.
People are still really high on Favors but I'm less impressed by him. He is physically talented but he just doesn't have the natural feel for the game. Defensively, he'll be fine but on offense, sub 50% from the floor by someone who should be getting a lot of easy, garbage buckets is unacceptable. IMO, he needs to accept the role as a finisher on offense and focus his efforts on the boards and being a paint protector.
Jefferson needed to go though. Great numbers on middling efficiency, but throughout his career he's proven that he doesn't really improve teams.
JoeCheck's analysis is also what I think Utah will look to do, let Jefferson go and resign Millsap and then use a 3 man frontcourt rotation with 30 odd minutes each and one of them becomes the legit 6th man.
As regards defending smaller guys if Kanter and Favours would struggle then how do a lot of other bigger slower guys get on, Favours looks a beast in the paint and you can almost invite them to drive to the basket if they dare.
@JoeWolf1: do you think they can stay on court together on defense?
Of course, not every team has a super quick starting power forward and it's not like they're Boozer slow, just big. That's when having a 7' + wingspan helps too.
Favors is quick enough to guard 90% of the 4s in the league. I wouldn't worry about Favors guarding Melo, however, I do think Favors guarding stretch 4s that jack up 3s all day Ilsyova(sp?), Anderson, etc, is counterproductive to what Favor's strengths are.