Ed Davis vs Patrick Patterson
Who do you think will have a better career and why ?
Patterson has just started to blossom, while I think Davis needs a change of scenery...
During his days at Kentucky,Patterson was known as a hard worker...Since he's been in the nba,he has benefited from having coach Kevin McHale,1 of the best low post scorers in nba history teaching him....He said last season McHale encouraged him to work on his 3 point shooting...He has improved his 3 point shooting so much,that teams are now guarding him,last year they would dare him to shoot it..His shooting is perfect on a team with 2 guards like Lin and Harden that love the pick & roll....
Ed Davis has great length,good athlete ,finishes well,runs the floor and is lively on both ends of the floor..Davis really does need a change of scenery..I think his numbers will be like 14 pts & 8 rbs if he was starting somewhere else...
Neither guy is polished offensively..But i think Davis has the most upside..If he could add some upper body strength,he could be a star......
I'd go Patterson, I really thought after Ed Davis' rookie season he'd develop into a much better player than he has in the past year and a half. I don't catch a ton of Raptors games, but he appears to have not added any new offensive elements to his game and seems to have been put behind Amir Johnson in the depth chart, which is disappointing because Dwane Casey is a defensive coach and Davis could be real defensive force if he put it all together.
Patterson, on the other had, has shown less rebounding and more of that good mid-range game he showed in college. He's really come into his own this seaosn, and I think he'll be a starter or 6th man for the rest of his prime. His averages are only 13 ppg 5 rpg on the year, but he's been tearing it up as of late. He's been at 15 ppg over his last 10 games.
I'll take Davis. He's a better rebounder, finisher and overall defender. Patterson my be stronger in his post defense but Davis is the more mobile, better weak side defender which I think is more valuable due to the lack of true post players in the league.
Patterson's solid, but he seems to be more in the mold of another Brandon Bass.
Got to go with Davis here. Davis is a solid defender. While, I don't dislike Patterson I'll take what Davis brings on the glass and on defense over what Patterson brings on Offense.
I'm taking Ed Davis. I like the fact of knowing my 4 man can get me 10plus rebounds, can finish and will block some shots. Patterson's decent but I don't feel think he brings as much to the table as Ed Davis.
Is Ed Davis really that good of a defender? It is well documented that Dwane Casey is a defensive minded coach, who both openly praises and rewards good defense. Ed Davis is playing behind Amir Johnson in the role of 2nd big off the bench, and only 16 mpg compared to Johnson's 20. If Ed Davis was really a great young defender wouldn't he be earning more than 16 mpg on a team lead by a defensive coach?
I agree, Ed Davis could be a really good defender if he puts it all together, but I think "good defender" often gets over used when describing guys who can rebound the ball well, but don't score much.
Just posing a question, partially because I don't see it, and partially because I don't watch more than 4 or 5 Raptors games a year, so I'm not exactly an expert.
I can't figure out Casey's rotations. They can't solely be based on defensive aptitude though, otherwise neither Bargnani or Valanciunas would be starting or getting the minutes that they've been getting. This defensive minded coach has coached them to the 2nd worst defense statistically in the league.
As for Davis' individual defense he can still get handled in the post because he still lacks body strength, but he's fundamentally sound, mobile, guards the PnR well and has the length to contest shots well. Finishing the possession is a part of defense as well and Davis has been the Raptors' best defensive rebounder.
All Davis needs is more playing time i think, for example last night against the Blazers, Bargnani got hurt in the 7th minute and Davis ended up posting 14 pts to go along with 9 boards in 24 minutes. So as a Raptors fan all I can hope for is that Bargnani gets shipped out of town for a new washing machine or 2-4 bags of sour cream and onion chips, so Davis can take his minutes.
Here is the deal with Davis and the Raps right now. He has been showing very big strides this season as far as energy and confidence go. There are some reasons he is not getting huge minutes though.
1) Amir Johnson has the biggest motor on the team. He works his tail off, has more years experience, improves his offence every season, and most of all has a great raport with Jose Calderon. No two players on the team play better together than Jose and Amir.
2) I don't know the actual stats but aparently Davis has put up the same numbers whether he plays 12 min or 16-18. Until his production goes up with minutes, why play him more? This seems to be changing by the game though.
3) He will get more minutes. His play has been not only improving over the past few weeks, it has also become much more consistant. He has good skill and an innate talent for rebounding the ball. If he puts in the same effort night after night (which looks like he may be starting to do) Davis will be a solid pro player with a long career.
Davis doesn't need a change of scenery... Andrea Bargnani does. Tired of seeing that pasta eater put more effort into his hair style for game than he puts into the game itself. Amnesty him, give him a bottle of Ragu and call it a day.
Im liking Davis here. I watch almost every Raps game and he has been one of the few fairly bright spots.
He is a rebound magnet,a pretty good shot blocker, and his offense is getting there behind more aggression and new jumper.
Problems are that nobody in the entire universe understands Casey's rotation. Colangelo is in love with Bargnani so he will probs never be traded and always gets 30+ min (maybe thats why he spends so much pre game time on his hair?)
Also he gets his show run on defense by big posts, (Z-Bo thoroughly handled him) but they dont have the defensive pieces to help him.
I agree though that he could be real good if he gets stronger and more PT. Really agree with reeko, hope its Bargnani not Davis who leaves.
LOL what is wrong with eating pasta. This is actually a good group of players to compare because i am sure before this year most people who have outright said Davis because Patterson was stuck behind some players and not really getting consistent minutes and Davis does appear to have better stats in limited minutes but right now Patterson has really stepped in up. His overall stats do no show he total production this year but he does need to work on his rebounding thought. I have not seen enough of Davis to know where he stands. It appears that Toronto is showcasing Bargnani for a trade though. I think after Bargnani is moved, maybe it opens up more minutes for Davis and we get a accurate measure of his skills.