[inukawaii8Participant]

 in an interview today, Jason Terry said the players will walk away if the deal is not right, and he also talked about economic and social classes… REALLY!? this really pisses me off… does jason terry know that the so called "lower class" in the nba would be at least upper middle to upper class in US? and would be at least the top 3% in the world? 

I hate to say this, but as a nba fan for the past 15 years, i actually dont care if the nba starts or not anymore… they players and owners are just way too greedy… nvm.. i lied.. i still want the nba to start.. but with these types of attitudes, i dont see how they will ever work anything out… so the players are thinking about decertifying.. do they even know what that means? this is just going to drag on the process, the government will step in and im pretty sure they will side with the owner too… this is just getting way too ridiculous.. the only thing thats keeping me going is that ncaa basketball season is starting… sigh

[Scottoant93Participant]

..And people wonder why college basketball players dont get paid because if immature 30-40 year olds can’t settle on anything imagine 18 year-22 year olds.

[JunkYardDogParticipant]

I’m so agree… and fed up with those articles where nba players talk about the tough side of life or think they are emile durkheim, joseph stiglitz, pierre bourdieu.

the really worst side of that lockout is that it’s showing everybody every minute how odious are a majority of players (cause I don’t think anymore there is majority of men in nba, just spoilt greedy chidren).

I am not in any side (the owners seem just a little bit more clever but not more honest or respectful) and was not naive but I’m still astonished about how players are out of real life unable to stand back on their life and disrespectful towards us.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

You guys completely missed the point Jason Terry was trying to make. He wasn’t comparing the money NBA players make to regular people. He was comparing the NBA SYSTEM to the Economic Class.

For example:

Economic

1. Rich People

2. Middle Class People

3. Lower Class People

NBA

1. Superstars/All-Star type money

2. Mid Level Player type money

3. Lower level Player type money

Terry said that the changes the owners were requesting would remove the mid level player class and that basically teams would have two players making superstar/all-star money and then the rest would be lower level players.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

And it’s true… The top level players are still going to get their money regardless. It’s the mid-level and lower level players that are about to get the belt tightened.

Terry isn’t an idiot. Obviously he knows that even a lower level NBA player is at the top of the Economic class MONEY wise. I think people need to stop being so quick to jump on the players… They deserve the money they make. The NBA is a 4 BILLION dollar industry, not to mention the business they bring to the areas next to the arenas. Players deserve to make a lot of money, no different than actors, music artists, etc.

They’ve given up 7% of the BRI to the owners, which will result in billions of dollars. Now, they want a little more motion in the system issues the owners are requesting. I don’t see the problem.

[ghrghrParticipant]

And "lower class" players getting much less money is extremely fair. The only people who really care about them are the hardcore fans, some of which have favorite players that aren’t stars in their teams. Nobody else likes a player that isn’t a star. The stars sell jerseys, take people to the games and make money.

If the players want better distribution of salaries they should do a revenue sharing system like the owners are doing. To me, the best thing for the league would be for the players to get a little more money than they are being offered right now, but with a much harder cap with less exceptions. Franchises like the Lakers have it too easy, with such a huge market they don’t have to think about spending their money well.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

The owners have a revenue sharing system? That’s news to me…

[ItsVictorOladipoParticipant]

Is there a link to the interview? I’d like to actually read or hear it before I start to rip on anybody…

[inukawaii8Participant]

 Indianabasketball, i understood what he was saying but i just think the comparison is very stupid.. the so called lower leve player still earned at least 500k+ a year.. that would be the top 2% in the US… also, i understand theat nba is a billion dollar business, the players deserve some money, but some players are ridiculously overpaid… microsoft, google, and facebook, they are all billions dollar industry.. employees are around the same as nba… how much do they get paid? 75k+ – 150k… seriously, the players are overpaid since the very beginning, now they just want more or at least stay the same.. in the new proposal, the owners also wanted to have the ability to send players down to the nbdl for lower pay.. and the players dislike… but seriously, if the player is not player is not performing well, the owner should have that option… its like most jobs in the world, if you are not performing well, you are at risk of getting fired.. 

[billykParticipant]

You can’t compare microsoft, facebook, google employees to NBA players… Basketball is an entertainment industry plus basketball players have way more pressure and exposure than employees of billion dollar corporations…

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

@inukawaii8

 

I don’t get it… I mean, I don’t understand what you think Terry said that was so stupid. He compared the NBA System to our Economic System. There are three tiers:

 

1. Upper Class

2. Middle Class

3. Lower Class

 

Do you not think the NBA has a three tiers? I mean, do you not see the difference between Kobe Bryant, Jason Terry and then DJ White? Or are you blind to that just because they all make more money than you do? The fact that they make millions doesn’t exclude the fact that their are still three tiers in the NBA.  

 

He said that the changes the owners are requesting would remove the middle player class. You’re looking at this from a money standpoint still, which isn’t what Terry was comparing. Once again, he was comparing the three tier system.

 

Are you really comparing Microsoft, Google and Facebook employees to NBA players? For one, they’re not entertainers. That’s just the way it is in this world… Entertainers get paid because people like you and me will pay BIG money to watch them play sports, act in movies or sing/rap songs. Movie stars, musicians, athletes… They get paid. I don’t see you complaining about George Clooney, Halle Berry or their insane salaries. I didn’t see people calling writers selfish during the Writer’s Guild Strike…

 

You say the players want to either get paid more or stay the same. Neither are accurate. For one, the players never asked for more money. For two, they’ve been in concessionary bargaining this whole lockout. They’ve given up 7% of their salaries. How’s that staying the same? The 7% giveback will save the owners over a BILLION dollars over the next ten years.

 

And I’m not sure about the D-League idea… I mean, what’s from stopping a team from throwing a player down to the D-League just to pay him less money? A lot of times, players get pushed down there just because there isn’t enough room on the roster, not necesarily because they’re underperforming. I can see both sides of that argument. I mean, because a player like Hasheem Thabeet deserves to get D-League money.

[Bmore_DCParticipant]

 you cant use the argument that the NBA is a 4 billion dollar industry, and then state the fact that the owners dont have revenue sharing and try saying the system is OK or the players deserve the money they are making…

i donno the exact numbers but im pretty sure the Lakers, Knicks, Heat, Bulls, and maybe a couple of other teams are the only teams seeing ANY of that 4 billion dollars…

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

Huh? What are you talking about?

The players have been trying to get the owners to adopt a strong revenue sharing system, but the owners have neglected to do anything until AFTER the CBA is finished. Unless I’ve missed something, they haven’t done that yet.

And I didn’t write the players deserve to make the money they’re making (I’ve said plenty of times the players need a pay cut)… I said they deserve to make a lot of money, which is in response to people who think the players are greedy and selfish. And I never said the current system is okay. I’ve wrote plenty of times on here that the system and certain details need changed. Did you read anything I wrote? IF you’re not going to read, don’t bother commenting.

[Bmore_DCParticipant]

 i did read and i missunderstood you…i agree there needs to be some sort of revenue sharing…relax broski

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

F RELAXIN DUDE… Nah, just kidding lol. You’re good bro. The lack of NBA basketball has me on a short fuse. Just ready for all of these rich men to get the season started. I feel like a deal should’ve gotten done by now.

[Bmore_DCParticipant]

thats why im siding with the owners more and more…

ask any lawyer or economist in the world and they will tell you even 50/50 is too much! the players need to take the 50/50 or else they will lose the season and lose their salaries from this year (which they will never get back)…and then say they start negotiations next year, whats stopping the owners from just being like "well now our offer is 47% take it or leave it" ? 

i dont understand why the players are taking this personal (all this slavery and plantation owner stuff, really?)…its business. If the owners had the money, they would give it to them…but they dont! (not to mention the NBA has more minorities in high positions than any other league by far).

Kevin Martin is owed something like 24 million dollars in the next 2 years…thats more than f*ckin TOM BRADY…something is wrong with that!

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

I don’t know about all that lol. If you say so though!

I do know one thing… Maybe I should take that back about Jason Terry not being an idiot… I just read that he thinks Tyson Chandler is a max player. Wow.

[HitsterParticipant]

I know that Mark Cuban overpays big men – Dampier, Haywood and Diop but Tyson Chandler a max player is pushing it even for him. Chandler is worth about $10 million a year in my opinion based on his performances last season but even though he is only 29 years old he has already played 10 years in the NBA so he has a fair few miles on his career clock already.

[JNixonParticipant]

 I wish I understood the nuances of economics and the lockout, cause I wanna debate about it. :/ I hate not being able to talk about stuff I wish I knew about. lol 

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

At least you’re not like most people… Debating when they don’t have a clue… They’re just repeating things they’ve heard or read. A lot of people are just bitter/jealous fans who use this opportunity to jump on the players, so their comments only consist of "greedy and selfish" and blah blah blah. The amount of ignorance just never ceases to amaze me.

The biggest laugh I get is when people compare NBA players to your average Joe employees at Wal-Mart, McDonald’s or just some regular job. It’s pure comedy. I also get a kick out of the people who don’t know the difference between a strike and a lockout… Or the people who say the players are greedy and only want more money, when the players never asked for more money and have agreed to give up seven percent of a $4 billion dollar pie.

A lot of people have never even read or seen the previous CBA… Have never taken the time to read about the salary cap… Yet feel the need to comment just because. I’ve only conversated with a handfull of people who actually have a real clue about what they’re talking about.

[WizardofOzParticipant]

 ^^This 10000x

I feel like I’m a bout to break my computer when I hear people comparing their averahe jobs to NBA players. The jealously disgust me.

[DurantsWingspan]

I usually just read and do not post but IndianaBasketball is so &$#%#&@! right it is ridiculous. What Terry said was a fact and not stupid in any way, shape, or form. I think it is crazy how much the media truly does control everybody’s minds. The media portrays the image of the players as the selfish one. This is absolutely nuts. I can not believe this actually worked. Before this negotiating started, I remember, EVERYONE was on the side of the players. I can not believe that the media actually changed all of your minds to think that the players are selfish. I mean don’t get me wrong I think it horrible that we have millionaires v.s. billionaires fighting for money, but are all of you really going to take the billionaires and David Stern’s side over the millionaires, and some not even, and all of your favorite players sides? Not saying the players aren’t selfish, but if you honestly think for one second that the owners have anything but themselves in mind, then boy have they got you fooled. As much as I dislike the owners, I just want the season to start because at the end of the day I really don’t care about millionaires v.s. billionaires as much as I do watching basketball, but obviously I am still going to be with the players.

[DurantsWingspan]

It’s not so much different from our economy. Think of the owners as the corporations and billionaires of this country. What are they trying to do? Eliminate the middle class. The rich richer and the poor poorer. Although no one is truly anywhere close to poor in the NBA circle except Antoine Walker.

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