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So what dies that say about

So what dies that say about randolho who put up average numbers on a bad team

Did you look at espn and check when Randolph got good minutes

how good do u have to be to get more minutes ion the warriors team at power forward and center

what does age and years in the NBA have to do with who's a better player right now?

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^^ What do you not understand! We are talking about now and not the future. If you ask me who would I take if I was building a team, I also might say Randolph. He probably has more potential than Blatche right now, but we are not taking potentail into account here.

If you ask me right now "Who will be better next season?", I would say Blatche because he is more proven and you know he can produce when given minutes. Randolph is still a big ?.

And I certainly am not biased.

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And I promise you 9 out of 10

And I promise you 9 out of 10 non biased people who know anything about basketball will take Randolph over Blatche if they are building a team. Standford hoops doesn't count because that $%$%^ will say anything negative he can about the Knicks.

That's true he will bash the Knicks anytime he can but I would take probably take Blatche too.

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Wow, you way overrated the

Wow, you way overrated the Knicks. The Nets will be better than the Knicks and will contend for a 7th/8th seed.

Solid list though. I might be the only one, but I think the Bucks have a chance to have a better record than the Celtics, considering Boston's roster is built for the playoffs where veterans, leadership, and experience are key; instead of the regular season, where you need to have lots of endurance and able to take a big toll on your body

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Wow, you way overrated the

Wow, you way overrated the Knicks. The Nets will be better than the Knicks and will contend for a 7th/8th seed.

How?

Knicks won 29 games added Stoudemire, Felton and potentially a solid Randolph

Nets won 12 games added Farmar, Morrown and Outlaw

Help me out there....am I missing something?

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I think this is one thing we

I think this is one thing we can ALL agree on.... Nets will not be a playoff team.

I like Blatche and I really think its a toss up between who has the better season between the 2 next season. you gotta remember that the Wizards improved and are going to be healthier (hopefully) so Blatche wont have to score 20 ppg, because the Wizards were also 6-24 when he started scoring so much after the All Star break.

Truth is I don't even know why I'm arguing (bored I guess) but I actually really like the Wizards young core and if they gel well together and if Arenas doesn't make any trouble they should be a very solid team in the future. I just think the fact that the Knicks added veterans like Amare and have a starting PG for the first time in many years they get the nod over the Wizards for the immediate future, however not necessarily a few years down the road.

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They will take Randolph

They will take Randolph because of the potential they think he has. Those nine out of ten won't pick
him because of what he's done so far in his career will they

This has nothing to do with me not liking the knocks it has yo do with what I see

And I don't dislike the knicks I'm
just realistic. You say I dislike thr knicks because I've said

Sergio is a backup at best
lebron won't go there nor will bosh or Joe hjohnson
and I was right about every single thing I've said so please tell me how I hate the knicks just because I've been right everytime I've said something about them. I also said tmac won't take min to stay reguardless what he said

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tmac wont take min? I'm

tmac wont take min? I'm pretty sure he signed for min with Pistons, Knicks didn't want him back. And you have always had something negative to say about Knicks please don't just pick out the parts where you "were right".

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Does anyone notice anytime

Does anyone notice anytime some mentions randolph they say the word potential. Never what he can already do or what he's proven. Just what he MIGHT. How much longer will people be saying that instead of what he will or has done?

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The kid is 21.... but truth

The kid is 21.... and spent the first few years in Nellies doghouse.... Nelly hates 90% of his players. but truth is he put up similar numbers to Blatche in similar minutes anyway, so I don't see how Blatche is soo "proven". Because he averaged 20 ppg as the only person who can score on a team that won 20% of their games once he started scoring?

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Ok tell me what I've been

Ok tell me what I've been wring about with the knicks since I'm just picking parts I was right about????? We all would like to see what I've been wrong about the knicks

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I'm don't remember exact

I'm don't remember exact posts of the top of my head but I am pretty positive you have had enough negative comments about Douglas, Walker, Chandler, Gallo, Amare, D'Antoni, the city of NY etc. etc.

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Well the Nets had a talented

Well the Nets had a talented roster last year, but they just weren't excited. Every game, they looked like they were ready to get the game over with. Lopez will be better, Terrence Williams will have a breakout year, plus they added some depth. I think if Mikhail Prokhorov can excite the team and its fans, they will could triple (or a little more) their wins

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You can triple there wins and

You can triple there wins and there still at 36.....

There not a playoff team to me. I don't see it. Also, Troy Murphy and Brook Lopez is a POOR defensive frontcourt.

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lmao at the Nets fan about

lmao at the Nets fan about the Nets "not being excited". Get ready to see players like Lopez have their numbers drop because he is no longer the only player that can score on the team. What people don't seem to get is that practically every practically every player in the NBA can score close to 20ppg if they are the first option. You better believe that if I build a team right now with Eduardo Najara as my first option, he will score 15 ppg. Unfortunately a team with Eduardo Naraja as their first option is going to win like 2-3 games a year. Every player can put up numbers, not every player can do it and actually win games while doing so.

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I also said they won't make

I also said they won't make the playoffs before the season started

Won't sign Joe Johnson
won't sign two or three big freeagents
sergios numbers won't be much better then his career average

none if these things were hating they were common sense things to me. I figured none of those stars wanted to go from bad to worst
never was a fan of Sergio
knew tmac thought he is better then other team thought

hating is when you say things that obviously isn't true just because you're jealous or don't like something

how many positive things can you say about a losing team? There's not a bunch of post about the kings or warriors or nets. There are many on the knicks so they will get alot more facts,opinions about them. And since there isn't many good things you can say about them you will get alot more negitive comments

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That's true. The same can be

That's true. The same can be said about some of the knicks players as a first or second option on a bad team. But. How do you know for sure. What if someone said that about t Evans since he put up great numbers on a very bad team?

It has to go by watching a player. Brook
lopez and texans are obviously very good players with allstar talent even though they play on a bad team

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I'm not a fan bkballer, just

I'm not a fan bkballer, just stating my opinion. I'm actually a Thunder fan (Wizards too, gotta stay with my man John Wall)

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Blatche is a perfect

Blatche is a perfect example.... the Wizards were a pretty bad 16-25 with Jamison as their starting PF but were an awful 10-31 with Blatche as their starting PF, does that mean that Blatche's 20ppg as a starter were the same as Jamisons 20ppg as a starter?

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of course it works for the

of course it works for the Knicks too, but it wont be as drastic because they were at least semi competitive. The fact that their by far most utilized offensive players in Lee and Harrington are not coming back also helps. The Knicks starting PG, SG, PF, C are different this season and so is most of their bench.

Knicks only return Douglas, Chandler, Gallo, Walker from last year. I think guys like Chandler, Walker etc are going to suffer the most and my biggest hope for Chandler is that he can become a more efficient role player. TD wont suffer much since he was not really used much last year to begin with. I don't think Gallo will dip in production because he was essentially ignored on offense all year and he will benefit the most from a competent PG than any other Knick.

So of the returning players I see
A serious dip in production from Walker - very small numbers
A light dip from Chandler but hopefully an increase in efficiency - 12-13 ppg off the bench shooting high 40s.
Pretty much the same back up stats for Douglas.
A slight increase from Gallo and slight increase in efficiency - 16ppg shooting 46%

Meanwhile Lopez, Harris and Twill toward the end of the season carried the load for that awful team and are all returning. I think Lopez will be more efficient (he was not very efficient and was also a bad rebounder for his size), so I'll say 15 ppg but shooting 52-53% and the team will win more.

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Why only a slighty dip for

Why only a slighty dip for Chandler with Felton there and shooting more then Sergio did
Amare shooting more then lee
Randolph taking als shots
azabuke taking shots?
Gallo and chandlers shots going down don't you think?

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I don't know why I'm arguing

I don't know why I'm arguing either bkballer. I think that the Knicks made some good acquisitions and my prediction for them is that they will finish with the 7th seed next season. And by what I have written so far, you guys probably think that I think that Randolph is a bad player, but I don't think that at all. Randolph definitely has a lot of upside, has some good physical tools, and has proven that he can produce when given the minutes. He just wasn't a good fit with GS and needed a change of scenery. Hopefully, he will breakout in NY.

The Wizards have a chance at the 7th or 8th seed next year, but might not make the playoffs next season because of their tough division and inexperienced players. This team has a bright future but might not be ready for the next step this season because some of the players are so raw and have not reached their peak. They are much improved from last season though and that will most likely show up in the win column.

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Gallo's wont because he

Gallo's wont because he really got the garbage points as is last year and should be a 2nd or 3rd option on offense next year. The plan has been all along to get him more involved on offense in the future, unlike the Nets who needed to add shooters and scorers to lighen the load from their center. Duhon never looked for him because all he knew was the P & R with Lee, Harrington didn't know how to pass the ball and guys like Nate, Hughes etc. in and out of the line up Gallo was really a 4th option on offense when on the floor. Chandler wont dip significantly because he will most likely be the 6th man. And Randolph will not shoot as much as Harrington did, Al took shots like an All Star last season. Plus I never said that Lopez will drastically fall off either, if the team becomes decent he should still get 15-16 ppg and be a solid center, just not as great as people make him out to be.

I see it like this:
Amare - 22-23 ppg
Gallo - 16 ppg
Felton - 13-14 ppg
Randolph - 13 ppg
Chandler - 11-12 ppg
Bukee - 10 ppg
Douglas - 7 ppg
Turiaf - 4 ppg
Walker - 2-3 ppg
Mozgov - 2 ppg

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I agree I really like the

I agree I really like the idea of the Wizards having 2 athletic big men in Blatche and McGee getting the ball from a probable future All Star in Wall, fact is both teams are headed in the right direction. But enough of these compliments, I hope the Knicks beat the Wizards every game next season lol.

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I'm just not as high on

I'm just not as high on Randolph because he hasn't proven much on a bad team but more so from what I read his teammates and team owner and coach said about how he doesn't work on his game and how he's the first to leave practice. And how he is comfortable with just relying on his god given talent.

Like I said before I had the knicks as a eight seed untill I really looked at the wiz. I might have thought different if the knicks had players who play good defense that are there stars but Amare doesn't seem to care much about defense. Randolph isn't a good defender and turif gets in foul trouble to much to stay on long enough to be a good defender. That's no stops down low for them

can they make the playoffs. Yes but I think the wiz can as well as the pacers. I think the bobcats are better then both since all they really lost was Felton and Larry brown is a great coach

On another note I'm still waiting for the proof that I was wrong and hating on the knicks from something I said

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Hey....... How about we wait

Hey....... How about we wait for the season to start before we let the venom fly eh? Your talking about players 6 months ago and more. They about to show what they can do in 2010-11, so we'll see who's right and wrong.

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Still feel the same about

Still feel the same about turiuf and Randolph?

Predictions?

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I remember mr.knick said said

I remember mr.knick said said Ronny Turiaf would win defensive player of the year in one of his threads.

If you watched him hes barely even above average defensivly, very average post defender, good weakside shotblocker but thats about it.

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Ronny Turiaf would win

Ronny Turiaf would win defensive player of the year in one of his threads.

No I didn't.

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