[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

I promised some predictions…..weeks ago. Here’s what were going to do: Eastern Conference part 1 ( predictions) and part 2 ( breakout players, all east team and some other things I’m not going to spoil) so let’s look into the eastern conference. Oddly enough, the East got stronger and there are some teams who have talent and might missed the playoffs (crazy considering a couple sub .500 teams made the playoffs in the past 4 seasons). Here’s how the entire east should shake out. Mind you, this is my opinion and not the total writing staff’s opinion

1. Miami Heat ( Projected W-L: 66-16)

Surprise?!? The Heat are my #1 eastern conference team. The only reasons why the Heat couldn’t reach these high expectation are injuries and jealousy (which remains to be seen). If they start out hot (15-0 to 20-1), expect alot of Bulls 72 talk. Could LeBron be in range for what was seen as impossible for years in averaging a triple double? I don’t see 70 wins but 66 is reachable.

2. Orlando Magic ( Projected W-L: 55-27)

I made a post just to say: Don’t Forget Orlando! The offseason moves of Richardson and Duhon were solid. Vince Carter should play well (contract year) and might be moved. After a flame out against Boston, I could see this team looking for redemption. The overall team should be better (and a little underrated with Miami looking at the best team in the division) but my questions still remain: How safe is Stan Van Gundy and What’s up with Dwight Howard’s offensive post game?

3. Chicago Bulls (Projected: W-L: 53-29)

The Bulls, to some people, had the best overall free agency with the additions of Carlos Boozer, Kyle Korver, Ronnie Brewer, Omar Asik, Kieth Bogans and C.J. Watson. All of them should be in the rotation. The best part is the fact there main 3 ( Loul Deng, Derrick Rose and Joakim Noah) all main in tact and should be ready to go next season. The biggest question: Who’s the 6th man? I see some potential problems. Most likely, I believe Watson, Korver and Gibson should handle the bench scoring but one should step up into that 6th man role.

4. Boston Celtics (Projected W-L: 50-32)

The Celtics have some different looks. They could rated as high as 2nd and as low as 6th depending on how the Celtics rest there big 3 in Garnett, Allen and Pierce. Rondo getting some rest this summer could be a great thing as he logged in tons of PT the past 3 seasons. The additions of both Jermaine and Shaquille O’Neal should allow Boston to have solid rotations with the PF and C spots. Adding Von Wafer and Delonte West as backups are both solid additions.

5. Milwaukee Bucks (Projected W-L: 48-34)

People don’t remember, the Bucks not only made the first offseason signing (Drew Gooden) but they made the most roster moves other then the Miami Heat in the East. Add Chris Douglas Roberts, Drew Gooden, Jon Brockman and Keyon Dooling to Brandon Jennings, Andrew Bogut, John Salmons, Ersan Ilyasova and Carlos Delfino? This team should be going in the right direction.

6. Atlanta Hawks (Projected W-L: 48- 34)

The Hawks are a mystery to me. New head coach Larry Drew is expected to run a faster offense. Should I expect a little bit of a fall because Jeff Teague ( 9 times outta 10) will be running the offense? Might Jamal Crawford be traded before the season? If Teague can get the offense down and run it- The Hawks might be in contention for that 3rd seed. If not, things can get a little bumpy.

7. New York Knicks (Projected W-L: 42-40)

The Knicks should be happy with this spot. As a Knicks fan, I don’t want to be too bias. This is the best spot for NY. Amar’e Stoudemire should be able to continue his play similar to his departure from Phoenix. Raymond Felton is a solid point guard, still have some question if he can run a D’Antoni offense though. Anthony Randolph is a breakout candidate and should be a solid 6th man for this team. If Gallinari and Chandler can continue to develop, New York should be looking to buy playoff tickets.

8. Indiana Pacers ( Projected W-L: 41-41)

The Pacers weren’t in my playoffs a month ago. That Darren Collison move will turn out to be a smart one. They might lose alot in the frontcourt but they have solid wings. Right now, Danny Granger should be able to score with the best of them. The question is the bench, the rookies and can Roy Hibbert and Tyler Hansbrough ( the projected starter at PF) play well enough to keep Indiana to get into the playoffs.

9. Philadelphia 76ers (Projected W-L: 39-43)

First off: Has anyone had a more terrible FIBA games for the US other then Andre Iguadala? That made me drop Philadelphia a little bit for me. The upside for Philadelphia is this amazing stat: Doug Collins has increase the win total of each team he coached in there 1st season by at least 10 games. By that stat, Philadelphia goes to 37 games. Elton Brand rumored to drop down to 255 lbs this offseason. Jrue Holiday is expecting to start at point guard. I like alot of young talent but they must step up to make the playoffs. Seriously: I’m watching the USA games and watching Iguadala air ball a jumper ( again and again) and making the “I’m a star, why is that call on me?” face just makes me think: Would I want him on my team as a #2? No thank you. #3? Yes please.

10. Charlotte Bobcats( Projected W-L : 38-44)

I might be the only one who feels this way but: Shaun Livingston/D.J. Augustine combo? Not selling me. Moving Tyson Chandler ( contract season version) for Erick Dampier? Lateral but I say that got the worst of that deal. No incoming draft picks? Other then Gerald Wallace, Stephen Jackson and Boris Diaw: They pretty much stayed stagnant.

11. Washington Wizards (Projected: W-L: 36-46)

Some might overrate them, some will underrate them. I: will underrate them. I see some issues on the horizon. We hear alot of ” If Gil is going to act up, he will be moved” but they tried buying him out and trading him. No takers. I expect Wall to play well but it all depends on how Arenas fit into the offense. Not to mention: Not a great frontcourt. Tons of potential, we will have to wait and see.

12. Detroit Pistons (Projected W-L: 32-50)

The Pistons have some talent but questionable coaching and front office. I say: Too many finesse players. Other then Tyshaun Prince, who else could you say get dirty? I don’t see one player. Terrible moves hurt them over the past 3 seasons but they have some hope in #8 overall pick Greg Monroe, Jonas Jerebko and Austin Daye. The Pistons need to find a identity, a #1 option and a way to unload Gordon and Hamilton’s contracts.

13. Cleveland Cavaliers (Projected W-L: 26- 56)

The Cavs lost LeBron, we know this but Mo Williams and Antwan Jamison are guys who could play well. J.J. Hickson will be given every chance to prove he’s a legit starter. Is Cleveland going to suck? Yes but I feel both Williams and Jamison will be able to keep them from the #1 overall pick in the 2011 draft.

14. New Jersey Nets (Projected W-L: 22-60)

There’s upside with the Nets. Devin Harris and Brook Lopez (Year 3 Lopez: so watch out) plus Troy Murphy, Travis Outlaw and Anthony Morrow could get some wins. The downside: I like Harris, but he hasn’t played 70 games in a season since 2006, the Murphy-Lopez combo must be one of the worst defensive frontcourts in the east plus: I’d say 8 teams in the East all improved so they might have issues beating other teams.

15. Toronto Raptors (Projected W-L: 16-66)

It’s tough for me to believe in Toronto. Losing your best player when not making the playoffs is tough to come back from. The young talent is there in Weems, DeRozan and Bargnani plus players like Barbosa and Klezia who could play well off the bench but this is a team that has no identity and might be struggling ALOT at times this upcoming season.

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

Must Read!!!!!

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

Must Read!!!!!

[Da1potParticipant]

Good read.. I think that Detroit will probably be the worst team in the NBA this season and I think there will be quite a few teams battling for the 7th and 8th spots for the playoffs in the east.

[Da1potParticipant]

Good read.. I think that Detroit will probably be the worst team in the NBA this season and I think there will be quite a few teams battling for the 7th and 8th spots for the playoffs in the east.

[OhCanada-Participant]

LOL at the last 3 teams. Seriously 16 wins for Toronto? I hope your right, but no. Pacers will be horrible. Nets will be 35 around 35 wins, Bobcats have no PG.

Also by this rating you are predicting the average Eastern Conference team wins 40.8 games which would meen the West would win 41.2 games on average per team throughout the year, which isnt going to happen.

In mine I have the East winning (595) 39.6 games per team and the West winning (636)42.4 games per team.

ATLANTIC DIVISION-
Boston Celtics (50-32)
New York Knicks (40-42)
Philadelphia 76’ers (37-45)
New Jersey Nets (36-46)
Toronto Raptors-(25-57)

CENTRAL DIVISION
Chicago (51-31)
Milwaukee (47-35)
Cleveland (34-47)
Detroit (21-51)
Indiana (20-62)

SOUTHEAST DIVISION
Miami (67-15)
Orlando (52-30)
Atlanta (50-32)
Washington (35-47)
Charlotte (29-52)

NORTHWEST
Oklaholma City (52-30)
Utah (52-30)
Portland (51-31)
Denver (41-41
Minnesota (15-67)

PACIFIC
LA Lakers (60-22)
Phoenix (41-41)
Golden State(31-50)
Sacramento (30-51)
LA Clippers (28-53)

SOUTHWEST
Dallas (55-27)
Houston (51-31)
San Antonio (48-34)
New Orleans (45-37)
Memphis (32-50)

[OhCanada-Participant]

LOL at the last 3 teams. Seriously 16 wins for Toronto? I hope your right, but no. Pacers will be horrible. Nets will be 35 around 35 wins, Bobcats have no PG.

Also by this rating you are predicting the average Eastern Conference team wins 40.8 games which would meen the West would win 41.2 games on average per team throughout the year, which isnt going to happen.

In mine I have the East winning (595) 39.6 games per team and the West winning (636)42.4 games per team.

ATLANTIC DIVISION-
Boston Celtics (50-32)
New York Knicks (40-42)
Philadelphia 76’ers (37-45)
New Jersey Nets (36-46)
Toronto Raptors-(25-57)

CENTRAL DIVISION
Chicago (51-31)
Milwaukee (47-35)
Cleveland (34-47)
Detroit (21-51)
Indiana (20-62)

SOUTHEAST DIVISION
Miami (67-15)
Orlando (52-30)
Atlanta (50-32)
Washington (35-47)
Charlotte (29-52)

NORTHWEST
Oklaholma City (52-30)
Utah (52-30)
Portland (51-31)
Denver (41-41
Minnesota (15-67)

PACIFIC
LA Lakers (60-22)
Phoenix (41-41)
Golden State(31-50)
Sacramento (30-51)
LA Clippers (28-53)

SOUTHWEST
Dallas (55-27)
Houston (51-31)
San Antonio (48-34)
New Orleans (45-37)
Memphis (32-50)

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

Where did I put Corey Magette?

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

Where did I put Corey Magette?

[Jlv2010]

Turrible!!!

[Jlv2010]

Turrible!!!

[RickyRubio9Participant]

Corey Maggette’s on the Bucks! That’s probably one of their bigger aquisitions! Just saying
& Dude
According to your predictions the Pistons will only play 72 games (: Haha, Detroit (21-51)
I’m guessing a typo got past you
& Charlotte (29-52) is short one game..

Golden State(31-50) 81
Sacramento (30-51) 81
LA Clippers (28-53) 81

[RickyRubio9Participant]

Corey Maggette’s on the Bucks! That’s probably one of their bigger aquisitions! Just saying
& Dude
According to your predictions the Pistons will only play 72 games (: Haha, Detroit (21-51)
I’m guessing a typo got past you
& Charlotte (29-52) is short one game..

Golden State(31-50) 81
Sacramento (30-51) 81
LA Clippers (28-53) 81

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

The Pistons are 32-50…what are you talking about?

Also, Toronto is terrible. The Collison addition gives Indiana someone to help the pieces they have and Charlotte has no PG but they have the best defensive team wings wise.

Nets added noone that makes me believe a 20 game improvement is in order

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

The Pistons are 32-50…what are you talking about?

Also, Toronto is terrible. The Collison addition gives Indiana someone to help the pieces they have and Charlotte has no PG but they have the best defensive team wings wise.

Nets added noone that makes me believe a 20 game improvement is in order

[OhCanada-Participant]

1st-Miami Heat(67-15)
2nd-Orlando Magic(52-30)
3rd-Chicago Bulls(51-31)
4th-Boston Celtics(50-32)
5th-Atlanta Hawks(50-32)
6th-Milwaukee Bucks(47-35)
7th-New York Knicks(40-42)
8th-Philadelphia 76’ers(37-45)
9th-New Jersey Nets(36-46)
10th-Washington Wizards(35-47)
11th-Cleveland Cavaliers(34-47)
12th-Charlotte Bobcats(29-52)
13th-Toronto Raptors(25-57)
14th-Detroit Pistons(21-61)
15th-Indiana Pacers(20-62)

[OhCanada-Participant]

1st-Miami Heat(67-15)
2nd-Orlando Magic(52-30)
3rd-Chicago Bulls(51-31)
4th-Boston Celtics(50-32)
5th-Atlanta Hawks(50-32)
6th-Milwaukee Bucks(47-35)
7th-New York Knicks(40-42)
8th-Philadelphia 76’ers(37-45)
9th-New Jersey Nets(36-46)
10th-Washington Wizards(35-47)
11th-Cleveland Cavaliers(34-47)
12th-Charlotte Bobcats(29-52)
13th-Toronto Raptors(25-57)
14th-Detroit Pistons(21-61)
15th-Indiana Pacers(20-62)

[RickyRubio9Participant]

“5. Milwaukee Bucks (Projected W-L: 48-34)

People don’t remember, the Bucks not only made the first offseason signing (Drew Gooden) but they made the most roster moves other then the Miami Heat in the East. Add Chris Douglas Roberts, Drew Gooden, Jon Brockman and Keyon Dooling to Brandon Jennings, Andrew Bogut, John Salmons, Ersan Ilyasova and Carlos Delfino? This team should be going in the right direction.”

You didn’t put him, but I was just saying. I’d say the addition of him deserves to be mentioned more so then a Jon Brockman or Keyon Dooling..

[RickyRubio9Participant]

“5. Milwaukee Bucks (Projected W-L: 48-34)

People don’t remember, the Bucks not only made the first offseason signing (Drew Gooden) but they made the most roster moves other then the Miami Heat in the East. Add Chris Douglas Roberts, Drew Gooden, Jon Brockman and Keyon Dooling to Brandon Jennings, Andrew Bogut, John Salmons, Ersan Ilyasova and Carlos Delfino? This team should be going in the right direction.”

You didn’t put him, but I was just saying. I’d say the addition of him deserves to be mentioned more so then a Jon Brockman or Keyon Dooling..

[OhCanada-Participant]

Lol Rubio!Give them all losses makes my job easier.

[OhCanada-Participant]

Lol Rubio!Give them all losses makes my job easier.

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

The Pacers will win more then 20 games. They weren’t that bad last year and added 2 good pieces in a trade and another in the draft.

I’m saying playoffs for them.

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

The Pacers will win more then 20 games. They weren’t that bad last year and added 2 good pieces in a trade and another in the draft.

I’m saying playoffs for them.

[RickyRubio9Participant]

I was talking about OhCanada’s list of how many games each team will win and loss in my frist comment about Detroit and the others..

[RickyRubio9Participant]

I was talking about OhCanada’s list of how many games each team will win and loss in my frist comment about Detroit and the others..

[jas225Participant]

for the most part i agree with ohcanada’s rankings, but i would swap the NY PHI seeds. and i think the bobcats will finish above the cavs.

[jas225Participant]

for the most part i agree with ohcanada’s rankings, but i would swap the NY PHI seeds. and i think the bobcats will finish above the cavs.

[stanford hoops]

At first I had the knicks a seven or eighth but as I
look at the east I notice it’s a free for all after the sixth spot.

Take wiz vs knicks for instance
Amare is better then mcgee but blachte is better then Randolph
agent zero is better then Chandler. Al thortan equals out gallo. Kirk and azibuke evens out. Yi is better then turif

Felton is better then wall only because Felton is proven but I think wall will show to be better before the year is out

I’m not a bobcats fan but they are better then the knicks and wizards and now that I think about it I have them at the 7th spot. I don’t see losing Felton as a huge deal with the addition of Livingston and Henderson playing better

[stanford hoops]

At first I had the knicks a seven or eighth but as I
look at the east I notice it’s a free for all after the sixth spot.

Take wiz vs knicks for instance
Amare is better then mcgee but blachte is better then Randolph
agent zero is better then Chandler. Al thortan equals out gallo. Kirk and azibuke evens out. Yi is better then turif

Felton is better then wall only because Felton is proven but I think wall will show to be better before the year is out

I’m not a bobcats fan but they are better then the knicks and wizards and now that I think about it I have them at the 7th spot. I don’t see losing Felton as a huge deal with the addition of Livingston and Henderson playing better

[ChewyParticipant]

this summer, but most people don’t see the Nets as a 20 win improvement as unrealistic. In reality most people think the Nets underachieved last season and that their talent was better than there record. So it is assumed that their wins were going to go up before they even added any players (they got a couple solid role players).

[ChewyParticipant]

this summer, but most people don’t see the Nets as a 20 win improvement as unrealistic. In reality most people think the Nets underachieved last season and that their talent was better than there record. So it is assumed that their wins were going to go up before they even added any players (they got a couple solid role players).

[Jlv2010]

Mr. Knicks prediction for the Nets was a little too generous. 20 wins max.

[Jlv2010]

Mr. Knicks prediction for the Nets was a little too generous. 20 wins max.

[bkballerParticipant]

Blatche is not better than Randolph… or at least not a lock to be better than Randolph. IF Randolph gets his shit together he is one of the top prospects in the NBA. Plus Amare + Randolph >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blatche + McGee.
Al Thornton is also not equal Gallo… how are you going to compare Gallo to a 26 year old who averaged 10ppg last year?!?!
Yi is awful and comparing him to Turiaf who plays a different position is pointless. Ask any Net fan that was ecstatic someone took him off their hands, only reason he is in the NBA is because of the large chinese market.
Comparing Agent Zero and Chandler is even worse, they are nothing alike. Arenas only hurts them with the drama and negativity he brings, he has become the Marbury of a few years ago and Wizards would give him away for free if they could. Him and Wall will not work well together either.

Felton/Douglas
Azibukee/Mason/Walker
Gallo/Chandler
Amare/Randolph
Turiaf/Mozgov/Curry

is better than

Wall/Hinrich
Zero/Young
Howard/Thornton
Blatche/Yi
McGee/Armstrong

[bkballerParticipant]

Blatche is not better than Randolph… or at least not a lock to be better than Randolph. IF Randolph gets his shit together he is one of the top prospects in the NBA. Plus Amare + Randolph >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blatche + McGee.
Al Thornton is also not equal Gallo… how are you going to compare Gallo to a 26 year old who averaged 10ppg last year?!?!
Yi is awful and comparing him to Turiaf who plays a different position is pointless. Ask any Net fan that was ecstatic someone took him off their hands, only reason he is in the NBA is because of the large chinese market.
Comparing Agent Zero and Chandler is even worse, they are nothing alike. Arenas only hurts them with the drama and negativity he brings, he has become the Marbury of a few years ago and Wizards would give him away for free if they could. Him and Wall will not work well together either.

Felton/Douglas
Azibukee/Mason/Walker
Gallo/Chandler
Amare/Randolph
Turiaf/Mozgov/Curry

is better than

Wall/Hinrich
Zero/Young
Howard/Thornton
Blatche/Yi
McGee/Armstrong

[stanford hoops]

Right Noe he is better. Even when you average up all of Randolphs numbers when he gets alot of time which I did awhile back and it only came out to around 13 and 6

and I compare thortan to gallo because we are talking now not potential or future. What has turif done in his caree to be considered better then yi even with yi not playing as well as people hoped. Randolph hasn’t even proved he’s a solid starter on a horrible team

And wall and agent zero won’t work. Guess you forgot agent zero and Larry Hughes worked pretty well. Wasn’t both 20ppg scores? And huges like wall wasn’t a jump shooter?

Please explain what Randolph turif have proven. Don’t tell me about potential tell me what they have proven. Mcgee hasn’t proven much but he’s still has shown to be better then turif

[stanford hoops]

Right Noe he is better. Even when you average up all of Randolphs numbers when he gets alot of time which I did awhile back and it only came out to around 13 and 6

and I compare thortan to gallo because we are talking now not potential or future. What has turif done in his caree to be considered better then yi even with yi not playing as well as people hoped. Randolph hasn’t even proved he’s a solid starter on a horrible team

And wall and agent zero won’t work. Guess you forgot agent zero and Larry Hughes worked pretty well. Wasn’t both 20ppg scores? And huges like wall wasn’t a jump shooter?

Please explain what Randolph turif have proven. Don’t tell me about potential tell me what they have proven. Mcgee hasn’t proven much but he’s still has shown to be better then turif

[OhCanada-Participant]

BKBALLER GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF THE GUTTER!

Blatche is better then Randolph right now. Thats undisputable.

(PG)-Wall and Hinrich devour Felton and Douglas.
(SG)-Arenas and Young are way better then Azubuikee Mason and Walker
(SF)-Howard and Thornton are even with Gallo and Chandler because Howard’s injury concerns. When healthy Howard is healthy he is a great leader and has been a part of so many winning teams in Dallas.His experience s great.
(PF)-Stoudemire and Randolph are light years ahead of Blatche and Yi even if Yi plays to his full potential.
(C)-McGee and Armstrong are way better bigs then Turiaf, Mozgov, and Curry.

The thing that keeps Washington out of the Playoffs is the fact that they are in a Division with Miami, Orlando, Atlanta, and Charlotte. New York has a much easier division and much easier matchups in their favor.

[OhCanada-Participant]

BKBALLER GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF THE GUTTER!

Blatche is better then Randolph right now. Thats undisputable.

(PG)-Wall and Hinrich devour Felton and Douglas.
(SG)-Arenas and Young are way better then Azubuikee Mason and Walker
(SF)-Howard and Thornton are even with Gallo and Chandler because Howard’s injury concerns. When healthy Howard is healthy he is a great leader and has been a part of so many winning teams in Dallas.His experience s great.
(PF)-Stoudemire and Randolph are light years ahead of Blatche and Yi even if Yi plays to his full potential.
(C)-McGee and Armstrong are way better bigs then Turiaf, Mozgov, and Curry.

The thing that keeps Washington out of the Playoffs is the fact that they are in a Division with Miami, Orlando, Atlanta, and Charlotte. New York has a much easier division and much easier matchups in their favor.

[stanford hoops]

I’m still tryna figure out when Randolph has proven to be better then blanchte. He’s a bad defender. He’s soft. Reports are he’s the last in the gym and the first to leave. His fans make many excuses for him. And he couldn’t produce alot of offense on a team that does nothing but exploit you’re offensive abilities

[stanford hoops]

I’m still tryna figure out when Randolph has proven to be better then blanchte. He’s a bad defender. He’s soft. Reports are he’s the last in the gym and the first to leave. His fans make many excuses for him. And he couldn’t produce alot of offense on a team that does nothing but exploit you’re offensive abilities

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

Two Things SH

Even when you average up all of Randolphs numbers when he gets alot of time which I did awhile back and it only came out to around 13 and 6

Please…show the math on that. He averaged 11-6 last season.

Please explain what Randolph turif have proven. Don’t tell me about potential tell me what they have proven. Mcgee hasn’t proven much but he’s still has shown to be better then turif

Your a Lakers fan, your telling me he’s proven nothing to you? He’s not a solid defensive player/rebounder?

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

Two Things SH

Even when you average up all of Randolphs numbers when he gets alot of time which I did awhile back and it only came out to around 13 and 6

Please…show the math on that. He averaged 11-6 last season.

Please explain what Randolph turif have proven. Don’t tell me about potential tell me what they have proven. Mcgee hasn’t proven much but he’s still has shown to be better then turif

Your a Lakers fan, your telling me he’s proven nothing to you? He’s not a solid defensive player/rebounder?

[OhCanada-Participant]

Turiaf is a solid weak side shot blocker that if properly utilized. He cant be gaurding a true C like Howard, Bogut, Kaman etc. They need a low post defender for Turiaf to be utilized properly.

The sky is the limit for Randolph. He is a unique talent although Knicksboy, if McGee was sent to New York they would say so much great things about him,. Truth is they both play some C and some PF. McGee got a Team USA invite. Randolph didnt. Miek Dantoni is part of that staff. Coach K, Jim Boheim, Jerry Colengelo, Jay Triano. Those guys are the best in the buisness at what they do.

Turiaf has proven he can be an extremely effective defensive presence, Randolph has proved he has the potential to be a premier defender if he really pus the work in. He is extremely versatile and when he gets minutes he produces.

[OhCanada-Participant]

Turiaf is a solid weak side shot blocker that if properly utilized. He cant be gaurding a true C like Howard, Bogut, Kaman etc. They need a low post defender for Turiaf to be utilized properly.

The sky is the limit for Randolph. He is a unique talent although Knicksboy, if McGee was sent to New York they would say so much great things about him,. Truth is they both play some C and some PF. McGee got a Team USA invite. Randolph didnt. Miek Dantoni is part of that staff. Coach K, Jim Boheim, Jerry Colengelo, Jay Triano. Those guys are the best in the buisness at what they do.

Turiaf has proven he can be an extremely effective defensive presence, Randolph has proved he has the potential to be a premier defender if he really pus the work in. He is extremely versatile and when he gets minutes he produces.

[bkballerParticipant]

I never said Turiaf is anything special, he is far from it. I would rather have a solid bench player than Yi though. I would honestly rather give those minutes to the local ball boy, than let Yi play on my team. This is not a compliment to Turiaf because its clear that he is nothing more than a bench player.
Speaking of not proven anything how is McGee and Hilton Armstrong anything special? McGee the 6ppg 2 year player or Amrstrong the 3 ppg 4 year vet gets them the CLEAR nod here? both teams are lacking at center.
Josh Howard has stunk it up the past few years as well and is really on a serious decline.
Hughes and Arenas worked because Hughes is a 2 guard who takes volume shots but doesn’t need the ball in his hands… both wall and arenas NEED the ball in their hands to succeed.

[bkballerParticipant]

I never said Turiaf is anything special, he is far from it. I would rather have a solid bench player than Yi though. I would honestly rather give those minutes to the local ball boy, than let Yi play on my team. This is not a compliment to Turiaf because its clear that he is nothing more than a bench player.
Speaking of not proven anything how is McGee and Hilton Armstrong anything special? McGee the 6ppg 2 year player or Amrstrong the 3 ppg 4 year vet gets them the CLEAR nod here? both teams are lacking at center.
Josh Howard has stunk it up the past few years as well and is really on a serious decline.
Hughes and Arenas worked because Hughes is a 2 guard who takes volume shots but doesn’t need the ball in his hands… both wall and arenas NEED the ball in their hands to succeed.

[OhCanada-Participant]

This debate should be fun.

[OhCanada-Participant]

This debate should be fun.

[bkballerParticipant]

Wizards have a lot of potential with Wall, McGee, Blatche but they are far from ready to be competitive this year.

[bkballerParticipant]

Wizards have a lot of potential with Wall, McGee, Blatche but they are far from ready to be competitive this year.

[stanford hoops]

Turif proved to be a energy guy who isn’t a threat to score and is ok at rebounding and foul
proven. Why you think we didn’t fight to keep him. Has he ever proved to be more then that

As far as randolphs numbers all you have to do is go to espn. Look at his states when he got good minutes. Add them then divide them and you will come out with his averages

When has randolh shown to be a primer defender?

Ok news flash. Every young long player doesn’t have the potential to be great. This guy has been so overrated it’s not even funny. How hard is it to put up numbers in golden state where there regular pf and center is hurt and the plan is to score score score

randolh hasn’t shown the heart or drive to give me alot if confidence in him. You give him turif heart/motor and then you got a baller

[stanford hoops]

Turif proved to be a energy guy who isn’t a threat to score and is ok at rebounding and foul
proven. Why you think we didn’t fight to keep him. Has he ever proved to be more then that

As far as randolphs numbers all you have to do is go to espn. Look at his states when he got good minutes. Add them then divide them and you will come out with his averages

When has randolh shown to be a primer defender?

Ok news flash. Every young long player doesn’t have the potential to be great. This guy has been so overrated it’s not even funny. How hard is it to put up numbers in golden state where there regular pf and center is hurt and the plan is to score score score

randolh hasn’t shown the heart or drive to give me alot if confidence in him. You give him turif heart/motor and then you got a baller

[bkballerParticipant]

Randolph played around 20mpg last year and averaged 6.5 rebounds….He also averaged almost 3 bpg per 36 minutes… hes far from just a scorer.

[bkballerParticipant]

Randolph played around 20mpg last year and averaged 6.5 rebounds….He also averaged almost 3 bpg per 36 minutes… hes far from just a scorer.

[stanford hoops]

I Agee mcgee hasn’t proven much to me but he’s proven more then turif. And everyone knows yo hasn’t lived up to expectations but he’s still produced and actually had a stretch where he played very well. You can hate him
but he’s proven more then Randolph has. And that’s a fact

take away randoplhs name and what you think he will do in the future and go by what he’s done and his numbers and it’s obvious he’s been less effective the yi. I’m not a yi fan but he’s clearly played better then Randolph

[stanford hoops]

I Agee mcgee hasn’t proven much to me but he’s proven more then turif. And everyone knows yo hasn’t lived up to expectations but he’s still produced and actually had a stretch where he played very well. You can hate him
but he’s proven more then Randolph has. And that’s a fact

take away randoplhs name and what you think he will do in the future and go by what he’s done and his numbers and it’s obvious he’s been less effective the yi. I’m not a yi fan but he’s clearly played better then Randolph

[stanford hoops]

Please don’t hit me with the per this or that. Hit me with what the did. Just like when some one tried to tell me what Sergio rodrigez could do with more minutes then he got more minutes with the knicks and almost had the same numbers. The per excuse is a horrible excuse. Randolph is nit a good defender if you watch him
play. It’s like people tryna say iverson was a good defender because of the steals he got but when u watch you notice that’s far from the truth

The truth if the matter is right now Randolph is a averge off the bench player untill he proves other wise. The only reason people even mention him is because of potential. He’s the new age johnatan bender

[stanford hoops]

Please don’t hit me with the per this or that. Hit me with what the did. Just like when some one tried to tell me what Sergio rodrigez could do with more minutes then he got more minutes with the knicks and almost had the same numbers. The per excuse is a horrible excuse. Randolph is nit a good defender if you watch him
play. It’s like people tryna say iverson was a good defender because of the steals he got but when u watch you notice that’s far from the truth

The truth if the matter is right now Randolph is a averge off the bench player untill he proves other wise. The only reason people even mention him is because of potential. He’s the new age johnatan bender

[WizardofOzParticipant]

Right now, Blatche is better than Randolph. Blatche is much more proven when given the playing time, he can produce. Randolph has a lot of potential, but again, we are talking about NOW, not the future.

And I don’t get why people say Wall and Arenas can’t co-exist. IMO, they compliment each well. And nice point @stanford hoops about how Arenas and Hughes worked out pretty well. This season might be Gil’s last chance so he will most likely be well behaved and do whatever the franchise tells him to do. He realizes that the team is now Wall’s, and I think he’s fine with that. Wall and Arenas are both extremely quick. Wall role will probably be as the main one to take the ball up the court and to find other teammates. The Wizards have other scorers, so he doesn’t need to score that much. I think Gil’s role will be to be the secondary ball-handler and will take the ball up the court sometimes like Kobe does, and he will be the primary scorer. He will probably be spotting up and coming off screens to get open. And Flip SDaunders said that this would be a running team, and Wall excels in transition and Gil is also fast. I think they have the potential to be a top-5 backcourt this season.

And I agree with everything OhCanada said about the Wizards. They might not make the playoffs because of their tough division and…

Wall/Hinrich > Felton/Douglas
Zero/Young > Azibukee/Mason/Walker
Howard/Thornton < Gallo/Chandler
Blatche/Yi/Booker/Seraphin Turiaf/Mozgov/Curry

[WizardofOzParticipant]

Right now, Blatche is better than Randolph. Blatche is much more proven when given the playing time, he can produce. Randolph has a lot of potential, but again, we are talking about NOW, not the future.

And I don’t get why people say Wall and Arenas can’t co-exist. IMO, they compliment each well. And nice point @stanford hoops about how Arenas and Hughes worked out pretty well. This season might be Gil’s last chance so he will most likely be well behaved and do whatever the franchise tells him to do. He realizes that the team is now Wall’s, and I think he’s fine with that. Wall and Arenas are both extremely quick. Wall role will probably be as the main one to take the ball up the court and to find other teammates. The Wizards have other scorers, so he doesn’t need to score that much. I think Gil’s role will be to be the secondary ball-handler and will take the ball up the court sometimes like Kobe does, and he will be the primary scorer. He will probably be spotting up and coming off screens to get open. And Flip SDaunders said that this would be a running team, and Wall excels in transition and Gil is also fast. I think they have the potential to be a top-5 backcourt this season.

And I agree with everything OhCanada said about the Wizards. They might not make the playoffs because of their tough division and…

Wall/Hinrich > Felton/Douglas
Zero/Young > Azibukee/Mason/Walker
Howard/Thornton < Gallo/Chandler
Blatche/Yi/Booker/Seraphin Turiaf/Mozgov/Curry

[WizardofOzParticipant]

McGee hasn’t produced much because he only averaged 16.1 MPG last season and didn’t start. What do you ecpect some to do during those little amount of minutes. 6.1 PPG, 4.1 RPG, and 1.7 BPG in only 16.1 MPG are good stats.

And Yi has lived up to the expectations that were made when drafted, but he can still produce. I actually liked the Yi signing because even though he isn’t a great player, he is still serviceable and the Wizards only signed him to a 1 year deal, so what is there to lose. If he plays well this year, we keep him. If plays bad this year, we kick him to the curb. He also played great in FIBA. Since he has made progress in the summer and he is in the final year of his contract, maybe he braeks out this season, just maybe.

[WizardofOzParticipant]

McGee hasn’t produced much because he only averaged 16.1 MPG last season and didn’t start. What do you ecpect some to do during those little amount of minutes. 6.1 PPG, 4.1 RPG, and 1.7 BPG in only 16.1 MPG are good stats.

And Yi has lived up to the expectations that were made when drafted, but he can still produce. I actually liked the Yi signing because even though he isn’t a great player, he is still serviceable and the Wizards only signed him to a 1 year deal, so what is there to lose. If he plays well this year, we keep him. If plays bad this year, we kick him to the curb. He also played great in FIBA. Since he has made progress in the summer and he is in the final year of his contract, maybe he braeks out this season, just maybe.

[OhCanada-Participant]

Wiz

Wasnt last season Arenas last chance…just sayin.

[OhCanada-Participant]

Wiz

Wasnt last season Arenas last chance…just sayin.

[bkballerParticipant]

Yi played just as well in FIBA last year, I live in NY so i watch his games and heard all the Net fans gushing about how he bulked up last summer and he will break out. Every Net fan I know is relieved he is gone and are now laughing at Wizards fans posting about how great Yi was in FIBA. And after all that talk about who is PROVEN you go and tell me the reason McGee averages 6ppg is because he hasn’t had a chance to prove himself. In that case I can say Mozgov is better than McGee because he was one of the best centers in FIBA and was not given a chance to prove himself yet.

[bkballerParticipant]

Yi played just as well in FIBA last year, I live in NY so i watch his games and heard all the Net fans gushing about how he bulked up last summer and he will break out. Every Net fan I know is relieved he is gone and are now laughing at Wizards fans posting about how great Yi was in FIBA. And after all that talk about who is PROVEN you go and tell me the reason McGee averages 6ppg is because he hasn’t had a chance to prove himself. In that case I can say Mozgov is better than McGee because he was one of the best centers in FIBA and was not given a chance to prove himself yet.

[bkballerParticipant]

Its arguable who is better between Blatche and Randolph, even though you claim Blatche is soooo proven when he averaged only a few more points, same rebounds and less blocks playing 5 mpg more than Randolph in his FIFTH and by far best season, compared to Randolph’s second injury filled season…. But when you said that the 7 footer who shot 40% (career avg as well) from the floor as a starter on one of the worst teams the NBA has ever seen is better than Randolph you lost all credibility to me…

[bkballerParticipant]

Its arguable who is better between Blatche and Randolph, even though you claim Blatche is soooo proven when he averaged only a few more points, same rebounds and less blocks playing 5 mpg more than Randolph in his FIFTH and by far best season, compared to Randolph’s second injury filled season…. But when you said that the 7 footer who shot 40% (career avg as well) from the floor as a starter on one of the worst teams the NBA has ever seen is better than Randolph you lost all credibility to me…

[OhCanada-Participant]

He is not soooooooooo much better then Randolph he is just better. It is like West and Boozer. West is good Boozer is just better.

[OhCanada-Participant]

He is not soooooooooo much better then Randolph he is just better. It is like West and Boozer. West is good Boozer is just better.

[andxxxParticipant]

hmm i thought andre iguadola was playing well in the olympics?

[andxxxParticipant]

hmm i thought andre iguadola was playing well in the olympics?

[stanford hoops]

It’s not arguesble that blachete is better then Randolph. Just look at both players when given minutes. It’s not close. Sorry. What has Randolph proven at all. Absolutely nothing besides being a off the bench role player for a bad team. At least be a starter for a bad team but ge couldn’t even do that when he was healthy bits not like he was competeing against great big men. Even Nelson and his teammates said bwright was out playing him during the summer before bwright got hurt

even yi had a strech where he was putting up around 18 and eight. Randolph has dine nothing to deserves to be talked about

[stanford hoops]

It’s not arguesble that blachete is better then Randolph. Just look at both players when given minutes. It’s not close. Sorry. What has Randolph proven at all. Absolutely nothing besides being a off the bench role player for a bad team. At least be a starter for a bad team but ge couldn’t even do that when he was healthy bits not like he was competeing against great big men. Even Nelson and his teammates said bwright was out playing him during the summer before bwright got hurt

even yi had a strech where he was putting up around 18 and eight. Randolph has dine nothing to deserves to be talked about

[bkballerParticipant]

How is Blatche CLEARLY better???
lets look at the facts….

Blatche is a 24 year old 5 year vet who was nonexistent for the first 3-4 years of his career. 5th year he finally averages:
14.1 PPG, 6.3 Rebounds, .9 Blocks in 28 MPG

Randolph is a 21 year old 2 year vet who averaged:
11.6 PPG, 6.5 Rebounds, 1.5 Blocks in 23 MPG

I don’t see how you can assume that next year Blatche will put up better numbers….Playing 5 more MPG per game and scoring 2 more points, while averaging almost half the blocks while taking 5 years to get to that level doesn’t make you MORE PROVEN…. clearly Randolph has a much higher ceiling since he basically accomplished the same type of season Blatche did 3 years earlier, you can’t tell me had Randolph played 28 MPG he wouldn’t have AT LEAST averaged 14 ppg and 6.5 rebounds….

As a matter of fact for you numbers guy out there 21 year old Randolph had a PER of 18.7 while, the 24 year old Blatche had a PER of 17.6. What logic can possibly tell you that Blatche has had a better career when his career year he barely had a higher PER than Randolph’s rookie year (16.94).

[bkballerParticipant]

How is Blatche CLEARLY better???
lets look at the facts….

Blatche is a 24 year old 5 year vet who was nonexistent for the first 3-4 years of his career. 5th year he finally averages:
14.1 PPG, 6.3 Rebounds, .9 Blocks in 28 MPG

Randolph is a 21 year old 2 year vet who averaged:
11.6 PPG, 6.5 Rebounds, 1.5 Blocks in 23 MPG

I don’t see how you can assume that next year Blatche will put up better numbers….Playing 5 more MPG per game and scoring 2 more points, while averaging almost half the blocks while taking 5 years to get to that level doesn’t make you MORE PROVEN…. clearly Randolph has a much higher ceiling since he basically accomplished the same type of season Blatche did 3 years earlier, you can’t tell me had Randolph played 28 MPG he wouldn’t have AT LEAST averaged 14 ppg and 6.5 rebounds….

As a matter of fact for you numbers guy out there 21 year old Randolph had a PER of 18.7 while, the 24 year old Blatche had a PER of 17.6. What logic can possibly tell you that Blatche has had a better career when his career year he barely had a higher PER than Randolph’s rookie year (16.94).

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

It’s not arguesble that blachete is better then Randolph. Just look at both players when given minutes. It’s not close

Randolph was never given minutes….so what are you talking about?

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

It’s not arguesble that blachete is better then Randolph. Just look at both players when given minutes. It’s not close

Randolph was never given minutes….so what are you talking about?

[bkballerParticipant]

You are clearly just saying nonsense now….
how is Blatche more PROVEN???? or Yi for that matter?
All 3 played for bad teams, GS actually the best out of the 3 because they played in a much tougher conference.
How is 11.6 ppg, 6.5rpg and 1.6 bpg in 23 minutes for a second year player LESS PROVEN
then two older players having CAREER YEARS
one averaging 14 ppg and 6.3 rpg in 29 minutes
and the other
averaging 12 and 7, shooting 40% on the worst team the NBA has seen in over a decade?!?!

you make ZERO sense….

[bkballerParticipant]

You are clearly just saying nonsense now….
how is Blatche more PROVEN???? or Yi for that matter?
All 3 played for bad teams, GS actually the best out of the 3 because they played in a much tougher conference.
How is 11.6 ppg, 6.5rpg and 1.6 bpg in 23 minutes for a second year player LESS PROVEN
then two older players having CAREER YEARS
one averaging 14 ppg and 6.3 rpg in 29 minutes
and the other
averaging 12 and 7, shooting 40% on the worst team the NBA has seen in over a decade?!?!

you make ZERO sense….

[stanford hoops]

Please stop with the per. The game isn’t played with how you might do if given more time it’s played by what u do with the time you are given

[stanford hoops]

Please stop with the per. The game isn’t played with how you might do if given more time it’s played by what u do with the time you are given

[WizardofOzParticipant]

His full year stats weren’t superb only because he was coming off the bench for more than half the season. After the All-Star break when he was finally starting, he averaged 22.1 points and 8.3 rebounds in 32 games. Those are all-star numbers, but he only did it for half the season. If he can play like the way he played after the all-star break last season, I think he is certainly better than Randolph.

And I didn’t say that McGee is better than Randolph right now. I was just replying to stanford hoops when he said that McGee didn’t produce even though he did given the little minutes he was given. The stats he averaged in the little minutes he got were good numbers. Last year when playing, Randolph played better than McGee. I do think that McGee will break out though. He showed in the SL that he isn’t as raw as people think, and he has gotten stronger and grew and inch and a 1/4 during the offseason, which now puts him at 7’1″ 1/4. I also was diagnosed with asthma, and has had it since college. He used to be so stressed out about conditioning because he got tired too quickly, but now knows that it was because of his asthma and can now focus on other things. I don’t no how the Wizards meducal staff didn’t know there was something wrong. How can a lanky, athletic 7 footer be getting tired too quickly and you don’t know that something is wrong. Flip Saunders was the one to find out that something was wrong and not the Wizards medical staff. Good catch Flip, and SMH at medical staff. ANYWAYYY, to get back on topic, now Mcgee finally has a true PG(Mr. Wall), something he’s never had, and had already shown great chemistry in the SL. Because of the progress he has made in the summer and because of his new running mate John Wall, I think that McGee will have a breakout season. Randolph also has the chance to breakout this season also.

[WizardofOzParticipant]

His full year stats weren’t superb only because he was coming off the bench for more than half the season. After the All-Star break when he was finally starting, he averaged 22.1 points and 8.3 rebounds in 32 games. Those are all-star numbers, but he only did it for half the season. If he can play like the way he played after the all-star break last season, I think he is certainly better than Randolph.

And I didn’t say that McGee is better than Randolph right now. I was just replying to stanford hoops when he said that McGee didn’t produce even though he did given the little minutes he was given. The stats he averaged in the little minutes he got were good numbers. Last year when playing, Randolph played better than McGee. I do think that McGee will break out though. He showed in the SL that he isn’t as raw as people think, and he has gotten stronger and grew and inch and a 1/4 during the offseason, which now puts him at 7’1″ 1/4. I also was diagnosed with asthma, and has had it since college. He used to be so stressed out about conditioning because he got tired too quickly, but now knows that it was because of his asthma and can now focus on other things. I don’t no how the Wizards meducal staff didn’t know there was something wrong. How can a lanky, athletic 7 footer be getting tired too quickly and you don’t know that something is wrong. Flip Saunders was the one to find out that something was wrong and not the Wizards medical staff. Good catch Flip, and SMH at medical staff. ANYWAYYY, to get back on topic, now Mcgee finally has a true PG(Mr. Wall), something he’s never had, and had already shown great chemistry in the SL. Because of the progress he has made in the summer and because of his new running mate John Wall, I think that McGee will have a breakout season. Randolph also has the chance to breakout this season also.

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

it’s played by what u do with the time you are given

Randolph was never given legit PT….so how is he worst then Andrey Blatche and Micheal Beasley ( which you said in the past regardless that he had similar numbers with LESS PT)

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

it’s played by what u do with the time you are given

Randolph was never given legit PT….so how is he worst then Andrey Blatche and Micheal Beasley ( which you said in the past regardless that he had similar numbers with LESS PT)

[bkballerParticipant]

Please show me a consistent stretch….longer than 4-5 games where Yi averaged 18 and 8.
And I can make homer reasoning for why my players will break out too…. Don Nelson is an old school guy who hates young players and has a VERY LONG history of having problems with players, benching them and making them leave (Jackson, Harrington, Crawford, about any rookie or young player not named Stephen Curry). As for summer league, if you want to use that, Randolph was one of the best players probably ever in summer league last summer, he averaged something like 30ppg, 9 rebounds and 3 blocks shooting over 60%….

[bkballerParticipant]

Please show me a consistent stretch….longer than 4-5 games where Yi averaged 18 and 8.
And I can make homer reasoning for why my players will break out too…. Don Nelson is an old school guy who hates young players and has a VERY LONG history of having problems with players, benching them and making them leave (Jackson, Harrington, Crawford, about any rookie or young player not named Stephen Curry). As for summer league, if you want to use that, Randolph was one of the best players probably ever in summer league last summer, he averaged something like 30ppg, 9 rebounds and 3 blocks shooting over 60%….

[bkballerParticipant]

And Blatche had his “breakout” month when the Wizards lost like 17 in a row…. thats one PROVEN player you got there.

[bkballerParticipant]

And Blatche had his “breakout” month when the Wizards lost like 17 in a row…. thats one PROVEN player you got there.

[WizardofOzParticipant]

Blatche was not non-existant for his first 4 seasons in the league. He was a great sparkplug off the bench that would block shots and hit mid-range jumpers. While on the bench, I always saw the potential and knew that he was going to become a starter one day if given the opprotunity.

And don’t get me wrong, I would take Randolph over Yi, and I never said that Yi was better. All I said was that Yi wasn’t a bad acquisition for the Wizards like most people say. Like I said, he definitely hasn’t lived up to the hype that was given to him when he was drafted, but he is still serviceable and will produce off the bench for the Wizards. He is also very versatile. He can play C, PF, and SF if the Wizards ever decide to go big.

And like stanford hoops said, please don’t use PER. That is not a good way to measure how good a player is.

[WizardofOzParticipant]

Blatche was not non-existant for his first 4 seasons in the league. He was a great sparkplug off the bench that would block shots and hit mid-range jumpers. While on the bench, I always saw the potential and knew that he was going to become a starter one day if given the opprotunity.

And don’t get me wrong, I would take Randolph over Yi, and I never said that Yi was better. All I said was that Yi wasn’t a bad acquisition for the Wizards like most people say. Like I said, he definitely hasn’t lived up to the hype that was given to him when he was drafted, but he is still serviceable and will produce off the bench for the Wizards. He is also very versatile. He can play C, PF, and SF if the Wizards ever decide to go big.

And like stanford hoops said, please don’t use PER. That is not a good way to measure how good a player is.

[bkballerParticipant]

You clearly have not watched Yi play…

[bkballerParticipant]

You clearly have not watched Yi play…

[bkballerParticipant]

You clearly have not watched Yi play… I have a lot of friends who are Nets fans you are in for s surprise with him. The guy has rocks for hands, chokes like crazy, shoots 40% as a 7 FOOTER, one of the 5 worst defenders in the NBA hands down and possibly one of the most frustrating players to watch as well. he is not a “decent” acquisition and you will hate him by December.

[bkballerParticipant]

You clearly have not watched Yi play… I have a lot of friends who are Nets fans you are in for s surprise with him. The guy has rocks for hands, chokes like crazy, shoots 40% as a 7 FOOTER, one of the 5 worst defenders in the NBA hands down and possibly one of the most frustrating players to watch as well. he is not a “decent” acquisition and you will hate him by December.

[bkballerParticipant]

And I promise you 9 out of 10 non biased people who know anything about basketball will take Randolph over Blatche if they are building a team. Standford hoops doesn’t count because that $%$%^ will say anything negative he can about the Knicks.

[bkballerParticipant]

And I promise you 9 out of 10 non biased people who know anything about basketball will take Randolph over Blatche if they are building a team. Standford hoops doesn’t count because that $%$%^ will say anything negative he can about the Knicks.

[bkballerParticipant]

And as for PER its only a bad stat to use when players have played a significantly different amount of minutes…. which is not the case with Randolph and Blatche because I keep repeating how they have similar stats and Randolph ONLY player 5 MPG less….

[bkballerParticipant]

And as for PER its only a bad stat to use when players have played a significantly different amount of minutes…. which is not the case with Randolph and Blatche because I keep repeating how they have similar stats and Randolph ONLY player 5 MPG less….

[stanford hoops]

So what dies that say about randolho who put up average numbers on a bad team

Did you look at espn and check when Randolph got good minutes

how good do u have to be to get more minutes ion the warriors team at power forward and center

what does age and years in the NBA have to do with who’s a better player right now?

[stanford hoops]

So what dies that say about randolho who put up average numbers on a bad team

Did you look at espn and check when Randolph got good minutes

how good do u have to be to get more minutes ion the warriors team at power forward and center

what does age and years in the NBA have to do with who’s a better player right now?

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

And I promise you 9 out of 10 non biased people who know anything about basketball will take Randolph over Blatche if they are building a team. Standford hoops doesn’t count because that $%$%^ will say anything negative he can about the Knicks.

That’s true he will bash the Knicks anytime he can but I would take probably take Blatche too.

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

And I promise you 9 out of 10 non biased people who know anything about basketball will take Randolph over Blatche if they are building a team. Standford hoops doesn’t count because that $%$%^ will say anything negative he can about the Knicks.

That’s true he will bash the Knicks anytime he can but I would take probably take Blatche too.

[WizardofOzParticipant]

^^ What do you not understand! We are talking about now and not the future. If you ask me who would I take if I was building a team, I also might say Randolph. He probably has more potential than Blatche right now, but we are not taking potentail into account here.

If you ask me right now “Who will be better next season?”, I would say Blatche because he is more proven and you know he can produce when given minutes. Randolph is still a big ?.

And I certainly am not biased.

[WizardofOzParticipant]

^^ What do you not understand! We are talking about now and not the future. If you ask me who would I take if I was building a team, I also might say Randolph. He probably has more potential than Blatche right now, but we are not taking potentail into account here.

If you ask me right now “Who will be better next season?”, I would say Blatche because he is more proven and you know he can produce when given minutes. Randolph is still a big ?.

And I certainly am not biased.

[SubZeroParticipant]

Wow, you way overrated the Knicks. The Nets will be better than the Knicks and will contend for a 7th/8th seed.

Solid list though. I might be the only one, but I think the Bucks have a chance to have a better record than the Celtics, considering Boston’s roster is built for the playoffs where veterans, leadership, and experience are key; instead of the regular season, where you need to have lots of endurance and able to take a big toll on your body

[SubZeroParticipant]

Wow, you way overrated the Knicks. The Nets will be better than the Knicks and will contend for a 7th/8th seed.

Solid list though. I might be the only one, but I think the Bucks have a chance to have a better record than the Celtics, considering Boston’s roster is built for the playoffs where veterans, leadership, and experience are key; instead of the regular season, where you need to have lots of endurance and able to take a big toll on your body

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

Wow, you way overrated the Knicks. The Nets will be better than the Knicks and will contend for a 7th/8th seed.

How?

Knicks won 29 games added Stoudemire, Felton and potentially a solid Randolph

Nets won 12 games added Farmar, Morrown and Outlaw

Help me out there….am I missing something?

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

Wow, you way overrated the Knicks. The Nets will be better than the Knicks and will contend for a 7th/8th seed.

How?

Knicks won 29 games added Stoudemire, Felton and potentially a solid Randolph

Nets won 12 games added Farmar, Morrown and Outlaw

Help me out there….am I missing something?

[stanford hoops]

They will take Randolph because of the potential they think he has. Those nine out of ten won’t pick
him because of what he’s done so far in his career will they

This has nothing to do with me not liking the knocks it has yo do with what I see

And I don’t dislike the knicks I’m
just realistic. You say I dislike thr knicks because I’ve said

Sergio is a backup at best
lebron won’t go there nor will bosh or Joe hjohnson
and I was right about every single thing I’ve said so please tell me how I hate the knicks just because I’ve been right everytime I’ve said something about them. I also said tmac won’t take min to stay reguardless what he said

[stanford hoops]

They will take Randolph because of the potential they think he has. Those nine out of ten won’t pick
him because of what he’s done so far in his career will they

This has nothing to do with me not liking the knocks it has yo do with what I see

And I don’t dislike the knicks I’m
just realistic. You say I dislike thr knicks because I’ve said

Sergio is a backup at best
lebron won’t go there nor will bosh or Joe hjohnson
and I was right about every single thing I’ve said so please tell me how I hate the knicks just because I’ve been right everytime I’ve said something about them. I also said tmac won’t take min to stay reguardless what he said

[bkballerParticipant]

I think this is one thing we can ALL agree on…. Nets will not be a playoff team.

I like Blatche and I really think its a toss up between who has the better season between the 2 next season. you gotta remember that the Wizards improved and are going to be healthier (hopefully) so Blatche wont have to score 20 ppg, because the Wizards were also 6-24 when he started scoring so much after the All Star break.

Truth is I don’t even know why I’m arguing (bored I guess) but I actually really like the Wizards young core and if they gel well together and if Arenas doesn’t make any trouble they should be a very solid team in the future. I just think the fact that the Knicks added veterans like Amare and have a starting PG for the first time in many years they get the nod over the Wizards for the immediate future, however not necessarily a few years down the road.

[bkballerParticipant]

I think this is one thing we can ALL agree on…. Nets will not be a playoff team.

I like Blatche and I really think its a toss up between who has the better season between the 2 next season. you gotta remember that the Wizards improved and are going to be healthier (hopefully) so Blatche wont have to score 20 ppg, because the Wizards were also 6-24 when he started scoring so much after the All Star break.

Truth is I don’t even know why I’m arguing (bored I guess) but I actually really like the Wizards young core and if they gel well together and if Arenas doesn’t make any trouble they should be a very solid team in the future. I just think the fact that the Knicks added veterans like Amare and have a starting PG for the first time in many years they get the nod over the Wizards for the immediate future, however not necessarily a few years down the road.

[bkballerParticipant]

tmac wont take min? I’m pretty sure he signed for min with Pistons, Knicks didn’t want him back. And you have always had something negative to say about Knicks please don’t just pick out the parts where you “were right”.

[bkballerParticipant]

tmac wont take min? I’m pretty sure he signed for min with Pistons, Knicks didn’t want him back. And you have always had something negative to say about Knicks please don’t just pick out the parts where you “were right”.

[stanford hoops]

Does anyone notice anytime some mentions randolph they say the word potential. Never what he can already do or what he’s proven. Just what he MIGHT. How much longer will people be saying that instead of what he will or has done?

[stanford hoops]

Does anyone notice anytime some mentions randolph they say the word potential. Never what he can already do or what he’s proven. Just what he MIGHT. How much longer will people be saying that instead of what he will or has done?

[stanford hoops]

Ok tell me what I’ve been wring about with the knicks since I’m just picking parts I was right about????? We all would like to see what I’ve been wrong about the knicks

[stanford hoops]

Ok tell me what I’ve been wring about with the knicks since I’m just picking parts I was right about????? We all would like to see what I’ve been wrong about the knicks

[bkballerParticipant]

The kid is 21…. and spent the first few years in Nellies doghouse…. Nelly hates 90% of his players. but truth is he put up similar numbers to Blatche in similar minutes anyway, so I don’t see how Blatche is soo “proven”. Because he averaged 20 ppg as the only person who can score on a team that won 20% of their games once he started scoring?

[bkballerParticipant]

The kid is 21…. and spent the first few years in Nellies doghouse…. Nelly hates 90% of his players. but truth is he put up similar numbers to Blatche in similar minutes anyway, so I don’t see how Blatche is soo “proven”. Because he averaged 20 ppg as the only person who can score on a team that won 20% of their games once he started scoring?

[bkballerParticipant]

I’m don’t remember exact posts of the top of my head but I am pretty positive you have had enough negative comments about Douglas, Walker, Chandler, Gallo, Amare, D’Antoni, the city of NY etc. etc.

[bkballerParticipant]

I’m don’t remember exact posts of the top of my head but I am pretty positive you have had enough negative comments about Douglas, Walker, Chandler, Gallo, Amare, D’Antoni, the city of NY etc. etc.

[SubZeroParticipant]

Well the Nets had a talented roster last year, but they just weren’t excited. Every game, they looked like they were ready to get the game over with. Lopez will be better, Terrence Williams will have a breakout year, plus they added some depth. I think if Mikhail Prokhorov can excite the team and its fans, they will could triple (or a little more) their wins

[SubZeroParticipant]

Well the Nets had a talented roster last year, but they just weren’t excited. Every game, they looked like they were ready to get the game over with. Lopez will be better, Terrence Williams will have a breakout year, plus they added some depth. I think if Mikhail Prokhorov can excite the team and its fans, they will could triple (or a little more) their wins

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

You can triple there wins and there still at 36…..

There not a playoff team to me. I don’t see it. Also, Troy Murphy and Brook Lopez is a POOR defensive frontcourt.

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

You can triple there wins and there still at 36…..

There not a playoff team to me. I don’t see it. Also, Troy Murphy and Brook Lopez is a POOR defensive frontcourt.

[bkballerParticipant]

lmao at the Nets fan about the Nets “not being excited”. Get ready to see players like Lopez have their numbers drop because he is no longer the only player that can score on the team. What people don’t seem to get is that practically every practically every player in the NBA can score close to 20ppg if they are the first option. You better believe that if I build a team right now with Eduardo Najara as my first option, he will score 15 ppg. Unfortunately a team with Eduardo Naraja as their first option is going to win like 2-3 games a year. Every player can put up numbers, not every player can do it and actually win games while doing so.

[bkballerParticipant]

lmao at the Nets fan about the Nets “not being excited”. Get ready to see players like Lopez have their numbers drop because he is no longer the only player that can score on the team. What people don’t seem to get is that practically every practically every player in the NBA can score close to 20ppg if they are the first option. You better believe that if I build a team right now with Eduardo Najara as my first option, he will score 15 ppg. Unfortunately a team with Eduardo Naraja as their first option is going to win like 2-3 games a year. Every player can put up numbers, not every player can do it and actually win games while doing so.

[stanford hoops]

I also said they won’t make the playoffs before the season started

Won’t sign Joe Johnson
won’t sign two or three big freeagents
sergios numbers won’t be much better then his career average

none if these things were hating they were common sense things to me. I figured none of those stars wanted to go from bad to worst
never was a fan of Sergio
knew tmac thought he is better then other team thought

hating is when you say things that obviously isn’t true just because you’re jealous or don’t like something

how many positive things can you say about a losing team? There’s not a bunch of post about the kings or warriors or nets. There are many on the knicks so they will get alot more facts,opinions about them. And since there isn’t many good things you can say about them you will get alot more negitive comments

[stanford hoops]

I also said they won’t make the playoffs before the season started

Won’t sign Joe Johnson
won’t sign two or three big freeagents
sergios numbers won’t be much better then his career average

none if these things were hating they were common sense things to me. I figured none of those stars wanted to go from bad to worst
never was a fan of Sergio
knew tmac thought he is better then other team thought

hating is when you say things that obviously isn’t true just because you’re jealous or don’t like something

how many positive things can you say about a losing team? There’s not a bunch of post about the kings or warriors or nets. There are many on the knicks so they will get alot more facts,opinions about them. And since there isn’t many good things you can say about them you will get alot more negitive comments

[stanford hoops]

That’s true. The same can be said about some of the knicks players as a first or second option on a bad team. But. How do you know for sure. What if someone said that about t Evans since he put up great numbers on a very bad team?

It has to go by watching a player. Brook
lopez and texans are obviously very good players with allstar talent even though they play on a bad team

[stanford hoops]

That’s true. The same can be said about some of the knicks players as a first or second option on a bad team. But. How do you know for sure. What if someone said that about t Evans since he put up great numbers on a very bad team?

It has to go by watching a player. Brook
lopez and texans are obviously very good players with allstar talent even though they play on a bad team

[SubZeroParticipant]

I’m not a fan bkballer, just stating my opinion. I’m actually a Thunder fan (Wizards too, gotta stay with my man John Wall)

[SubZeroParticipant]

I’m not a fan bkballer, just stating my opinion. I’m actually a Thunder fan (Wizards too, gotta stay with my man John Wall)

[bkballerParticipant]

Blatche is a perfect example…. the Wizards were a pretty bad 16-25 with Jamison as their starting PF but were an awful 10-31 with Blatche as their starting PF, does that mean that Blatche’s 20ppg as a starter were the same as Jamisons 20ppg as a starter?

[bkballerParticipant]

Blatche is a perfect example…. the Wizards were a pretty bad 16-25 with Jamison as their starting PF but were an awful 10-31 with Blatche as their starting PF, does that mean that Blatche’s 20ppg as a starter were the same as Jamisons 20ppg as a starter?

[bkballerParticipant]

of course it works for the Knicks too, but it wont be as drastic because they were at least semi competitive. The fact that their by far most utilized offensive players in Lee and Harrington are not coming back also helps. The Knicks starting PG, SG, PF, C are different this season and so is most of their bench.

Knicks only return Douglas, Chandler, Gallo, Walker from last year. I think guys like Chandler, Walker etc are going to suffer the most and my biggest hope for Chandler is that he can become a more efficient role player. TD wont suffer much since he was not really used much last year to begin with. I don’t think Gallo will dip in production because he was essentially ignored on offense all year and he will benefit the most from a competent PG than any other Knick.

So of the returning players I see
A serious dip in production from Walker – very small numbers
A light dip from Chandler but hopefully an increase in efficiency – 12-13 ppg off the bench shooting high 40s.
Pretty much the same back up stats for Douglas.
A slight increase from Gallo and slight increase in efficiency – 16ppg shooting 46%

Meanwhile Lopez, Harris and Twill toward the end of the season carried the load for that awful team and are all returning. I think Lopez will be more efficient (he was not very efficient and was also a bad rebounder for his size), so I’ll say 15 ppg but shooting 52-53% and the team will win more.

[bkballerParticipant]

of course it works for the Knicks too, but it wont be as drastic because they were at least semi competitive. The fact that their by far most utilized offensive players in Lee and Harrington are not coming back also helps. The Knicks starting PG, SG, PF, C are different this season and so is most of their bench.

Knicks only return Douglas, Chandler, Gallo, Walker from last year. I think guys like Chandler, Walker etc are going to suffer the most and my biggest hope for Chandler is that he can become a more efficient role player. TD wont suffer much since he was not really used much last year to begin with. I don’t think Gallo will dip in production because he was essentially ignored on offense all year and he will benefit the most from a competent PG than any other Knick.

So of the returning players I see
A serious dip in production from Walker – very small numbers
A light dip from Chandler but hopefully an increase in efficiency – 12-13 ppg off the bench shooting high 40s.
Pretty much the same back up stats for Douglas.
A slight increase from Gallo and slight increase in efficiency – 16ppg shooting 46%

Meanwhile Lopez, Harris and Twill toward the end of the season carried the load for that awful team and are all returning. I think Lopez will be more efficient (he was not very efficient and was also a bad rebounder for his size), so I’ll say 15 ppg but shooting 52-53% and the team will win more.

[stanford hoops]

Why only a slighty dip for Chandler with Felton there and shooting more then Sergio did
Amare shooting more then lee
Randolph taking als shots
azabuke taking shots?
Gallo and chandlers shots going down don’t you think?

[stanford hoops]

Why only a slighty dip for Chandler with Felton there and shooting more then Sergio did
Amare shooting more then lee
Randolph taking als shots
azabuke taking shots?
Gallo and chandlers shots going down don’t you think?

[WizardofOzParticipant]

I don’t know why I’m arguing either bkballer. I think that the Knicks made some good acquisitions and my prediction for them is that they will finish with the 7th seed next season. And by what I have written so far, you guys probably think that I think that Randolph is a bad player, but I don’t think that at all. Randolph definitely has a lot of upside, has some good physical tools, and has proven that he can produce when given the minutes. He just wasn’t a good fit with GS and needed a change of scenery. Hopefully, he will breakout in NY.

The Wizards have a chance at the 7th or 8th seed next year, but might not make the playoffs next season because of their tough division and inexperienced players. This team has a bright future but might not be ready for the next step this season because some of the players are so raw and have not reached their peak. They are much improved from last season though and that will most likely show up in the win column.

[WizardofOzParticipant]

I don’t know why I’m arguing either bkballer. I think that the Knicks made some good acquisitions and my prediction for them is that they will finish with the 7th seed next season. And by what I have written so far, you guys probably think that I think that Randolph is a bad player, but I don’t think that at all. Randolph definitely has a lot of upside, has some good physical tools, and has proven that he can produce when given the minutes. He just wasn’t a good fit with GS and needed a change of scenery. Hopefully, he will breakout in NY.

The Wizards have a chance at the 7th or 8th seed next year, but might not make the playoffs next season because of their tough division and inexperienced players. This team has a bright future but might not be ready for the next step this season because some of the players are so raw and have not reached their peak. They are much improved from last season though and that will most likely show up in the win column.

[bkballerParticipant]

I agree I really like the idea of the Wizards having 2 athletic big men in Blatche and McGee getting the ball from a probable future All Star in Wall, fact is both teams are headed in the right direction. But enough of these compliments, I hope the Knicks beat the Wizards every game next season lol.

[bkballerParticipant]

I agree I really like the idea of the Wizards having 2 athletic big men in Blatche and McGee getting the ball from a probable future All Star in Wall, fact is both teams are headed in the right direction. But enough of these compliments, I hope the Knicks beat the Wizards every game next season lol.

[bkballerParticipant]

Gallo’s wont because he really got the garbage points as is last year and should be a 2nd or 3rd option on offense next year. The plan has been all along to get him more involved on offense in the future, unlike the Nets who needed to add shooters and scorers to lighen the load from their center. Duhon never looked for him because all he knew was the P & R with Lee, Harrington didn’t know how to pass the ball and guys like Nate, Hughes etc. in and out of the line up Gallo was really a 4th option on offense when on the floor. Chandler wont dip significantly because he will most likely be the 6th man. And Randolph will not shoot as much as Harrington did, Al took shots like an All Star last season. Plus I never said that Lopez will drastically fall off either, if the team becomes decent he should still get 15-16 ppg and be a solid center, just not as great as people make him out to be.

I see it like this:
Amare – 22-23 ppg
Gallo – 16 ppg
Felton – 13-14 ppg
Randolph – 13 ppg
Chandler – 11-12 ppg
Bukee – 10 ppg
Douglas – 7 ppg
Turiaf – 4 ppg
Walker – 2-3 ppg
Mozgov – 2 ppg

[bkballerParticipant]

Gallo’s wont because he really got the garbage points as is last year and should be a 2nd or 3rd option on offense next year. The plan has been all along to get him more involved on offense in the future, unlike the Nets who needed to add shooters and scorers to lighen the load from their center. Duhon never looked for him because all he knew was the P & R with Lee, Harrington didn’t know how to pass the ball and guys like Nate, Hughes etc. in and out of the line up Gallo was really a 4th option on offense when on the floor. Chandler wont dip significantly because he will most likely be the 6th man. And Randolph will not shoot as much as Harrington did, Al took shots like an All Star last season. Plus I never said that Lopez will drastically fall off either, if the team becomes decent he should still get 15-16 ppg and be a solid center, just not as great as people make him out to be.

I see it like this:
Amare – 22-23 ppg
Gallo – 16 ppg
Felton – 13-14 ppg
Randolph – 13 ppg
Chandler – 11-12 ppg
Bukee – 10 ppg
Douglas – 7 ppg
Turiaf – 4 ppg
Walker – 2-3 ppg
Mozgov – 2 ppg

[stanford hoops]

I’m just not as high on Randolph because he hasn’t proven much on a bad team but more so from what I read his teammates and team owner and coach said about how he doesn’t work on his game and how he’s the first to leave practice. And how he is comfortable with just relying on his god given talent.

Like I said before I had the knicks as a eight seed untill I really looked at the wiz. I might have thought different if the knicks had players who play good defense that are there stars but Amare doesn’t seem to care much about defense. Randolph isn’t a good defender and turif gets in foul trouble to much to stay on long enough to be a good defender. That’s no stops down low for them

can they make the playoffs. Yes but I think the wiz can as well as the pacers. I think the bobcats are better then both since all they really lost was Felton and Larry brown is a great coach

On another note I’m still waiting for the proof that I was wrong and hating on the knicks from something I said

[stanford hoops]

I’m just not as high on Randolph because he hasn’t proven much on a bad team but more so from what I read his teammates and team owner and coach said about how he doesn’t work on his game and how he’s the first to leave practice. And how he is comfortable with just relying on his god given talent.

Like I said before I had the knicks as a eight seed untill I really looked at the wiz. I might have thought different if the knicks had players who play good defense that are there stars but Amare doesn’t seem to care much about defense. Randolph isn’t a good defender and turif gets in foul trouble to much to stay on long enough to be a good defender. That’s no stops down low for them

can they make the playoffs. Yes but I think the wiz can as well as the pacers. I think the bobcats are better then both since all they really lost was Felton and Larry brown is a great coach

On another note I’m still waiting for the proof that I was wrong and hating on the knicks from something I said

[MkadozaParticipant]

Hey……. How about we wait for the season to start before we let the venom fly eh? Your talking about players 6 months ago and more. They about to show what they can do in 2010-11, so we’ll see who’s right and wrong.

[MkadozaParticipant]

Hey……. How about we wait for the season to start before we let the venom fly eh? Your talking about players 6 months ago and more. They about to show what they can do in 2010-11, so we’ll see who’s right and wrong.

[stanford hoops]

Still feel the same about turiuf and Randolph?

Predictions?

[stanford hoops]

Still feel the same about turiuf and Randolph?

Predictions?

[McWinningParticipant]

I remember mr.knick said said Ronny Turiaf would win defensive player of the year in one of his threads.

If you watched him hes barely even above average defensivly, very average post defender, good weakside shotblocker but thats about it.

[McWinningParticipant]

I remember mr.knick said said Ronny Turiaf would win defensive player of the year in one of his threads.

If you watched him hes barely even above average defensivly, very average post defender, good weakside shotblocker but thats about it.

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

Ronny Turiaf would win defensive player of the year in one of his threads.

No I didn’t.
 

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

Ronny Turiaf would win defensive player of the year in one of his threads.

No I didn’t.
 

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