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Dwight Howard Trade - ESPN

There was an insider article on ESPN yesterday that spelled out a few D-Howard trade scenarios. One was to the Nets, one was to the Bulls and one was to the Lakers. Of the three, the one with the Lakers really did make the most sense for all of the parties involved.

To Los Angeles: Dwight Howard, Luis Scola, Jameer Nelson
To Houston: Pau Gasol, Matt Barnes, LAL first-round pick
To Orlando: Andrew Bynum, Kevin Martin, Goran Dragic, Chandler Parsons

All three of these teams win in this deal although I think that Houston might need to pick up another young player (Darius Morris or Andrew Goudelock) and a 2nd rounder from the Magic for it to completely work.

The Lakers get Superman along with a PG who can play defense and hit threes. Scola is a nice complementary player who would work well alongside Howard. The Lakers take on a good bit of salary but they shet a good bit too.

The Rockets get Pau (who they wanted in the Paul deal), Matt Barnes' expiring contract, a young combo guard in Goudelock and a 1st round Pick in what looks to be a very deep draft. They give up Scola (Pau is a clear upgrade) and Kevin Martin but the picks and Barnes more than make up for that.

The Magic replace one All-Star center with another. They move forward with a franchise C and PF with some nice pieces around them. They get a younger PG and a wing that has played exceptionally well this year.

I truthfully believe that Dwight will walk after this year and leave the Magic with nothing and this is one of the better deals I've seen for him.


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I normally dont comment on

I normally dont comment on trades on this site..But this 1 makes sense for all 3 teams involved..

Orlando get 3 starters in this deal and a budding star in Parsons..

Lakers get a shooter in Nelson that can open the floor..Nelson's not a tradional pg,but he keeps the ball moving and with a team of stars thats great..Lakers also get Scola,who is an all star caliber player...

Not sure how Gasol would like going to Houston and on a losing team,he might feel like he's back in Memphis again..

1 thing i dont like about Bynum is that he doesnt seem to give 100% every night...

But all in all this looks like the best deal for Orlando...

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How is this good for the

How is this good for the rockets? They lose a great scorer in martin, who is still young and get an expiring contract. They trade scola and get gasol, who will produce just a little more than scola does. They lose parsons, who seems to be a decent player, for a risky late pick and an unproven rookie. To me kevin martin is the real dealbreaker here. He is a terrible defender but he is a very good and efficient scorer.

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@ghrghr

Because they were going to do the SAME exact trade before the season, the only difference CP3... I don't think D12 is coming to the Lakers though... I don't think he will be cool with Kobe jacking the shots... Also can somebody tell me how to post YouTube videos???

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Houston is said to be looking

Houston is said to be looking for a star..I know they're going to hate losing Martin,1 of the most underrated players in the league,but with him they're still not going anywhere....Trading Scola,opens up playing time for Patterson...And Montijunas will be over next year..

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agree with ghrghr

houston isnt giving up three starters and a good back up for Pau and throw ins. this is a few tweaks away from being right.

To Lakers: Howard, Turkoglu, Dragic, and Scola

To Magic: Bynum, Barnes, Thabeet, T. Williams, Laker's first rounder from Dallas (top twenty protected)

To Rockets: Pau, Laker's first rd pick in 2013

The Lakers use amnesty clause on Luke Walton, send Darius Morris to the D League. They gain four rotation players including a creative PG

Magic maintain other young players, dump Tukoglu's salary, and get two sfs to fill the void. They'll be right at the cap and all those contracts come off in a year if they choose.

Rockets upgrade at PF and don't lose their young starting backcourt. Williams was stuck behind Parsons and Budinger anyway and they weren't using Thabeet. They have two first rounders this year so doubt they'd want a third.

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Houston

This trade does not make sense or help Houston at all. They get older and have no cap relief at all. It would take Orlando's 1st rounder this year or next, both the lakers this year in my view - otherwise take Parsons out of the deal - he doesn't fit and Orlando can keep 1 or both

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ive heard that Dwight is very

ive heard that Dwight is very sensitive to people thinking he is copying Shaq...i dont see him going to the lakers

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Houston gets robbed in this

Houston gets robbed in this trade IMO.

"budding star in Parsons"- STAR???? How bout starter as opposed to labeling him a budding star.

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Trade doesnt address Hedo

The Magic want Turk gone, they cant amnesty him because they did Areanas. The team that gets him will do it next year no matter where he plays. Best case scenario is Nets get two 3 pick for Orlando.They can wait and get a sign and trade because Dwight not leaving 30 to 40 mil on the table.

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MDymes-People laughed a few

MDymes-People laughed a few years ago when folks said Ryan Anderson was a budding star..Anderson almost made the all star team this year...

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Laker robbery. Dwight

Laker robbery. Dwight definitely isn't going to LA regardless.

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@tuck243 Didn't like the CP3

@tuck243 Didn't like the CP3 trade for houston either.

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If Orlando/LA gave up a nice

If Orlando/LA gave up a nice young player to Houston and they kept Parsons it would be a nice deal. Losing Martin/Scola is a lot but Pao makes up for Scola and Martin probably would've left after next year anyway.

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@Clayton Crowe

Can you list the other trades as well?

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"Kevin Martin but the picks

"Kevin Martin but the picks and Barnes more than make up for that."

A late first round pick and an annoying crackhead looking dude that can hardly score or defend at this stage of his career make up for a 29 year old 20ppg scorer?

I, as a Rockets fan, hate that we're giving up three starters in this deal for Pau Gasol. May I remind the Rockets organization and the person who made this trade (I know it wasn't you), that Pau Gasol is 31 years old and he could not get it done as a franchise player in Memphis. He's perhaps one of the most inconsistent big men in the entire league and isn't getting any younger.

The only way I'd trade both Martin and Scola is if we're getting a 1st tier player. We don't need to give up two 2nd tier players for another 2nd tier player. It makes absolutely no sense for us. If we can get Pau and keep Martin, that's the only way this trade would make sense for us. Especially because of how competitive the Western conference is, we'll get eaten alive with Pau and Lowry as our only good players. Who's our starting swingmen? Budinger and Courtney Lee? I love them Lee but he's not a starter in this league yet.

May I need to remind everybody that in this trade, we're giving up two of our top three players and getting the 3rd best player from a team that has an equal record to ours? How does that make sense?

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I agree

As a Rocket fan i hate this trade its definately would be a downgrade for us team wise. Yea this deal was offer for with the Chris Paul deal but the only reason Houston was interested then because they would have more than likely have signed Nene to play along side of him, and im not sure if this is right but it was said that they would have used Gasol and Nene to ultimalty trade for Dwight so if that was the case it would have been a great trade then. But even if they didnt get Dwight Houston have the young pieces to have traded for a perimeter score to replace Martin. Maybe a Danny Granger, Stephen Jackson, a Rudy Gay or Monta Ellis(both unlikely), or signed a guy like Crawford, or waited for a JR Smith or Wilson Chandler who would have likely been interested in join that group. Making Houston a title contender in my opinion.

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I think

I think you guys are all underrating Pau Gasol. He's a monster, and yes, his constrictions in LA's offense, this year, are holding his numbers back, BUT, I don't think he'd really blossom with the supposed supporting cast in Houston. And though I think Gasol is being underrated, he is still not worth the haul being pushed out by Houston in this proposed trade.

The biggest issue here is that each team is trying to put out an even haul, but when LA gets the best player in the deal, it leaves the other team lacking in their incoming quota. That's the biggest issue with 3+ team trades, and why they rarely happen. When 2 teams make a trade, the greatest player goes to one team, and the other team gets all the benefits. In this situation, Houston is forced to give up a big haul (3 starters), to help improve the group going to Orlando, as well as evening things out (by giving up Scola to LA) for LA giving up Bynum AND Gasol.

Unless Houston's management is absolutely head over heels for GASOL by himself, this trade will not happen.

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Rudeboy... I still don't

Rudeboy...

I still don't label Anderson as a star and never think he will be. He's in a beneficial system, on a team with limited scorers. He's a good shooter and hustler. He's a solid starter in the NBA, but a star? Even the likes of Monta Ellis, Iguodala, Kevin Love, Blake Griffin...not IMO.

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Ryan Anderson's success is

Ryan Anderson's success is because of Dwight. It's the perfect inside-out combo.

Dwight Howard is the reason Rashard Lewis is making more money than LeBron, Wade, and other superstars. If you pair Troy Murphy alongside Dwight he would average 14-6. Double-teams come to Dwight which leaves Ryan Anderson open.

Once Dwight is traded or Anderson signs with a different team, he will never post the same numbers again unless he plays with Bynum.

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The Rockets

Why in the world did they get Hill, Patterson, and Morris? Imagine if they had just taken Kawhi Leonard this year. Lowry-Martin-Leonard-Scola-Dingleberry isn't a bad starting five. When you replace Leonard with Chandler Parsons it becomes a different story (not that I don't think he could be a decent role player).

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This deal should have been

This deal should have been done long ago. I don't think the Rockets make this trade anymore, but they would've two months ago. This is a great trade for the Magic, but they might not have had enough faith in Bynum two months ago.

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Why is Dwight Howard the

Why is Dwight Howard the reason Rashard Lewis got the max deal? I didn't know Dwight Howard played for the Seattle Sonics before Lewis signed that deal.

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What was the deal to Chicago?

I know the Bulls are on the outside looking in and to say the Bulls have a longshot to get D12 would be optimistic. But I still would like the hear the deal that the Insider Article brought up. Can someone put that up please?

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F_DA_PO If you did not know,

F_DA_PO

If you did not know, it was a sign-and-trade deal from the Sonics to the Magic.

Dwight is the reason they traded for Lewis. He's the reason Lewis looked appealing to the Wizards. He constantly fed off of double teams. Dwight is the reason Rashard Lewis made over 200 three pointers in two season. Dwight is the reason why Ryan Anderson would have been on pace to make over 200 three pointers this season if it was not shortened.

There's a reason Ryan Anderson shoots nearly 7 three pointers a game and nearly 8 on a 36 MPG scale. The reason is Dwight Howard.

If you put anybody that can shoot 3s at a high % next to Dwight, they'll have 3, or 5, or even 8 open looks throughout the game.

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Rashard Lewis was an all star

Rashard Lewis was an all star in Seattle...And Dwight never played in Seattle..

Ryan Anderson looked promising as a rookie in New Jersey averaging 7pts & 4 rbs.. He has a nice post game,good passer,rebounder and he has a mean streak....He's not a top 40 player..But alot teams would love to have him...

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@Tongue-Out-Like-23... the

@Tongue-Out-Like-23...

the only reason Rashard Lewis looked appealing to Washington was because the Magic were the only team that would take on Gilbert Arenas and his crazy contract...they never expected him to do much for the team, that deal was based strictly on money...

they saved 20 million dollars by making that trade...

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Lewis

Rashard Lewis got paid big time because for his final 3 years in Seattle he put up 20+ ppg with 5+ boards per game, could hit threes, and was only like 26 or 27 years old when he signed the contract. 22.4 - 6.6 - 2.4 with over a steal and almost a block while shooting 46% - 39% - 84% his contract year.

Also one of the best video game players ever in his prime.

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