[andxxxParticipant]

 Magic Johnson recently said the Redeem Team wouldn’t be a match for the Dream Team.

 

http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2011/08/magic-johnson-08-redeem-team-no-match-for-92-dream-team/

So who you got? And here’s some highlights of each roster just so you know which each team had

[Malik-UniversalParticipant]

 good question easy anwser

92 dream team

u have the best player of all time and the greatest PG of all time on that team

[Malik-UniversalParticipant]

 good question easy anwser

92 dream team

u have the best player of all time and the greatest PG of all time on that team

[I May Be WrongParticipant]

if these two teams matched up in a 48 minute contest, it might be closer than most people would suggest. The Redeem might just be faster on the break and has a good ability to get out on the break and get easy buckets. But with that being said, as soon as the Dream Team clamped down on defense and executed their offense, they would be unstoppable. I’d probably say the score would end up like 112-104 advantage Dream Team 

[I May Be WrongParticipant]

if these two teams matched up in a 48 minute contest, it might be closer than most people would suggest. The Redeem might just be faster on the break and has a good ability to get out on the break and get easy buckets. But with that being said, as soon as the Dream Team clamped down on defense and executed their offense, they would be unstoppable. I’d probably say the score would end up like 112-104 advantage Dream Team 

[ItsVictorOladipoParticipant]

I gotta go with the Dream Team. They have clear advantages at a couple spots. Paul and Deron are very good point guards but can’t hold a candle to Magic and Stockton in terms of running a team. The other major advantage would be in the front court where as much as I love Dwight Howard, a combination of him, Bosh, Boozer and Melo would get absolutely tuned up by David Robinson, Patrick Ewing, Karl Malone and Charles Barkley who were all in their primes at that point.

It might be slightly different down low if Duncan and Garnett had played for the Redeem Team but if we are playing with hypothetical scenarios Dream Team could have featured a young Shaquille O’Neal (they chose Christian Laetner over him) and Isaiah Thomas (if MJ didn’t hate him so much).

The Redeem Team was absolutely loaded on the wings with Lebron, Kobe and DWade but the Dream Team had Michael Jordan during the prime of his career and the greatest perimeter defender of all time in Scottie Pippin so they weren’t exactly shabby there.

[ItsVictorOladipoParticipant]

I gotta go with the Dream Team. They have clear advantages at a couple spots. Paul and Deron are very good point guards but can’t hold a candle to Magic and Stockton in terms of running a team. The other major advantage would be in the front court where as much as I love Dwight Howard, a combination of him, Bosh, Boozer and Melo would get absolutely tuned up by David Robinson, Patrick Ewing, Karl Malone and Charles Barkley who were all in their primes at that point.

It might be slightly different down low if Duncan and Garnett had played for the Redeem Team but if we are playing with hypothetical scenarios Dream Team could have featured a young Shaquille O’Neal (they chose Christian Laetner over him) and Isaiah Thomas (if MJ didn’t hate him so much).

The Redeem Team was absolutely loaded on the wings with Lebron, Kobe and DWade but the Dream Team had Michael Jordan during the prime of his career and the greatest perimeter defender of all time in Scottie Pippin so they weren’t exactly shabby there.

[llperez]

bird and magic had already retired from the NBA and were not even close to their prime. Paul and dwill would run circles around 92 magic and bird couldnt possibly matchup with lebron or melo. 92 would probably have to go with stockton, jordan, pippen, barkley and robinson with malone, ewing and drexler getting most the bench minutes. I think the redeem team would take it in a close one.

[llperez]

bird and magic had already retired from the NBA and were not even close to their prime. Paul and dwill would run circles around 92 magic and bird couldnt possibly matchup with lebron or melo. 92 would probably have to go with stockton, jordan, pippen, barkley and robinson with malone, ewing and drexler getting most the bench minutes. I think the redeem team would take it in a close one.

[raybeasParticipant]

specifically offensive ‘goal tending’, 08 couldnt possibly match 92 inside. International hand-check rules would benifit 92 on the perimeter also. Plus 92 teams depth > 08. Pretty clear win for 92. Best of seven series, 08 might win 1 or 2.

[raybeasParticipant]

specifically offensive ‘goal tending’, 08 couldnt possibly match 92 inside. International hand-check rules would benifit 92 on the perimeter also. Plus 92 teams depth > 08. Pretty clear win for 92. Best of seven series, 08 might win 1 or 2.

[ItsVictorOladipoParticipant]

bird and magic had already retired from the NBA and were not even close to their prime. Paul and dwill would run circles around 92 magic and bird couldnt possibly matchup with lebron or melo. 92 would probably have to go with stockton, jordan, pippen, barkley and robinson with malone, ewing and drexler getting most the bench minutes. I think the redeem team would take it in a close one.

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Magic had retired after 1991 but he was still in terrific shape and in his last season he put up 19.4 PPG, 12.5 APG and 7.0 RPG, better numbers than anything CP3 or Deron have ever done. You are right though, he defensively wouldn’t have been able to keep up with them because of his age and lack of lateral mobility due partially to a bum knee but then again I don’t think they would have been able to do anything to contain him either. Interestingly enough MJ actually played alot of point for the Dream Team so he might have ended up matching up with DWILL and Paul.

Bird wouldn’t have to match up with Lebron or Melo. Pippin would probably guard Bron and would probably do a better job than anyone has ever done on that tough assignment. Melo played mostly as a PF and would probably have matched up with Barkley more than anyone else.

Ultimately the combo of Robinson, Ewing, Malone and Barkley down low I think would have just been too much for Howard and company. But the game would probably be a lot closer than many people (especially Magic) seem to think.

[ItsVictorOladipoParticipant]

bird and magic had already retired from the NBA and were not even close to their prime. Paul and dwill would run circles around 92 magic and bird couldnt possibly matchup with lebron or melo. 92 would probably have to go with stockton, jordan, pippen, barkley and robinson with malone, ewing and drexler getting most the bench minutes. I think the redeem team would take it in a close one.

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Magic had retired after 1991 but he was still in terrific shape and in his last season he put up 19.4 PPG, 12.5 APG and 7.0 RPG, better numbers than anything CP3 or Deron have ever done. You are right though, he defensively wouldn’t have been able to keep up with them because of his age and lack of lateral mobility due partially to a bum knee but then again I don’t think they would have been able to do anything to contain him either. Interestingly enough MJ actually played alot of point for the Dream Team so he might have ended up matching up with DWILL and Paul.

Bird wouldn’t have to match up with Lebron or Melo. Pippin would probably guard Bron and would probably do a better job than anyone has ever done on that tough assignment. Melo played mostly as a PF and would probably have matched up with Barkley more than anyone else.

Ultimately the combo of Robinson, Ewing, Malone and Barkley down low I think would have just been too much for Howard and company. But the game would probably be a lot closer than many people (especially Magic) seem to think.

[aamir543Participant]

Magic put up 15 7 and 6 FOUR YEARS LATER! You might have have a point with Larry though, but the Dream Team has so much depth and defensive guys, I can see them winning in more of a 84-98 style cause Ewing and Malone and Barkely and Robinson, vs Dwight? The Dream team would domionate the paint and cruise to vicctory, however I would still not count out the redeem team.

[aamir543Participant]

Magic put up 15 7 and 6 FOUR YEARS LATER! You might have have a point with Larry though, but the Dream Team has so much depth and defensive guys, I can see them winning in more of a 84-98 style cause Ewing and Malone and Barkely and Robinson, vs Dwight? The Dream team would domionate the paint and cruise to vicctory, however I would still not count out the redeem team.

[Da1potParticipant]

 Christian Laettner would wreck Lebron like he wrecked this hammerhead shark

[Da1potParticipant]

 Christian Laettner would wreck Lebron like he wrecked this hammerhead shark

[hotsauceParticipant]

i think the redeem team would win because they are just too athletic 

[hotsauceParticipant]

i think the redeem team would win because they are just too athletic 

[llperez]

magic put up 15 7 and 6 4 years later, but he played pf the whole time and he could barely stay in front of them when they faced him up.

[llperez]

magic put up 15 7 and 6 4 years later, but he played pf the whole time and he could barely stay in front of them when they faced him up.

[llperez]

92 would have a big time advantage down low with post players, but the 08 team would just counter with lebron or melo at the 4 and they would have superior speed on the perimiter and get out and run and attack the paint. So it would come down to inside play vs speed. Plus the 08 team had better shooters from the eprimter.

Fact is it would be fun and we will never know. Its kinda disrespectful for magic and the old school guys to always demand respect from newer generations which they get, but then turn around and always talk about how much better they were and how they would beat the new guys.

[llperez]

92 would have a big time advantage down low with post players, but the 08 team would just counter with lebron or melo at the 4 and they would have superior speed on the perimiter and get out and run and attack the paint. So it would come down to inside play vs speed. Plus the 08 team had better shooters from the eprimter.

Fact is it would be fun and we will never know. Its kinda disrespectful for magic and the old school guys to always demand respect from newer generations which they get, but then turn around and always talk about how much better they were and how they would beat the new guys.

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

Dream Team, not even close.

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

Dream Team, not even close.

[akhan786Participant]

It is close until you get to the front court…a front court of David Robinson, Karl Malone and Charles Barkley, and Patrick Ewing would DESTROY D-12, Bosh, Boozer, and Melo.

[akhan786Participant]

It is close until you get to the front court…a front court of David Robinson, Karl Malone and Charles Barkley, and Patrick Ewing would DESTROY D-12, Bosh, Boozer, and Melo.

[i’m jus so offendedParticipant]

 I can’t believe people are actually talking themselves into taking the "Redeem" team…92, besides Christian (smh), everyone else is a HOF. ’08 had mediocre players on that squad, Mike Redd, Boozer, Prince, s*** even Bosh if your saying him matching up against ’92 team. And this stuff about the Magic matchup, J Kidd started so they would damn near cancel each other out. Jordan guards Kobe, Pippen guards Lebron, Malone and the Admiral body up Dwight, Charles matches everything Melo does…Probably a decently close game, but no way the competitive nature of the ’92 team, especially Jordan, lets that team lose.

[i’m jus so offendedParticipant]

 I can’t believe people are actually talking themselves into taking the "Redeem" team…92, besides Christian (smh), everyone else is a HOF. ’08 had mediocre players on that squad, Mike Redd, Boozer, Prince, s*** even Bosh if your saying him matching up against ’92 team. And this stuff about the Magic matchup, J Kidd started so they would damn near cancel each other out. Jordan guards Kobe, Pippen guards Lebron, Malone and the Admiral body up Dwight, Charles matches everything Melo does…Probably a decently close game, but no way the competitive nature of the ’92 team, especially Jordan, lets that team lose.

[akhan786Participant]

I’d also like to point out that the Redeem Team faced much tougher international competition than the Dream Team…

If I remember correctly the Dream Team’s opponents would lineup to get autographs before the game even started..

 

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[akhan786Participant]

I’d also like to point out that the Redeem Team faced much tougher international competition than the Dream Team…

If I remember correctly the Dream Team’s opponents would lineup to get autographs before the game even started..

 

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[raybeasParticipant]

That is where your argument falls apart, llperez. Tell me who excatly 08 has that are better perimeter shooters than Bird, Mullin, Drexler, Stockton? Redd got almost no run with that team. Wade, Kobe, Bron and Melo, shot good %s, but didnt have Pippen and Jordan guarding them. 92 hit 40% of their 135 3s, 08 hit 37% of 204.

An argument can be made that the 08 team has better athleticsm, and maybe a speed/quickness advantage. But basketball IQ and competiveness/will-to-win are obviously strengths of the 92 team.

[raybeasParticipant]

That is where your argument falls apart, llperez. Tell me who excatly 08 has that are better perimeter shooters than Bird, Mullin, Drexler, Stockton? Redd got almost no run with that team. Wade, Kobe, Bron and Melo, shot good %s, but didnt have Pippen and Jordan guarding them. 92 hit 40% of their 135 3s, 08 hit 37% of 204.

An argument can be made that the 08 team has better athleticsm, and maybe a speed/quickness advantage. But basketball IQ and competiveness/will-to-win are obviously strengths of the 92 team.

[Tim49461Participant]

 People saying Redeem team are clearly under the age of 23.  No offense to that its just that you watched highlights while everyone over that age watched how bad the Dream Team destroyed.

I’d like to make 5 points real quick.

1. Charles Barkley was no man to be messed up.  I remember during the ’93 season players would complain how everytime they played against Barkley they would have bruises all over from that night. The man played with so much power that in todays game would make him look like Jeffrey Dahmer.

2.Dwight Howard learned everything from Patrick Ewing.  Ewing would have a field day against Dwight Howard.  Sorry Ewing alone stops Howard.  Now throw in The Admiral, He barely scores.  Dwight would not be a factor in this game

3.’08 team is more athletic and would run more?  Are we forgetting that Magic Johnson ( not literally) is the founder of the fast break.  He redefined everything about a fast break.  Now throw Jordan and Pippen on his wings and he makes any defender realize they should have just cherry picked.  Honestly more athletic?  Jordan Pippen Drexler > Lebron Kobe Wade.  If you disagree you clearly never watched them in their prime. 

4. 3 names, Jordan Mullen Bird.  Would drop 3’s all over the court,  something the Redeem team could never do.

5.  We tend to be so fascinated with the future we forget how great the past was.  Potential gives every man rosey eyes.  We have to realize these were the greatest players of All Time and its okay that they stay there for awhile.

[Tim49461Participant]

 People saying Redeem team are clearly under the age of 23.  No offense to that its just that you watched highlights while everyone over that age watched how bad the Dream Team destroyed.

I’d like to make 5 points real quick.

1. Charles Barkley was no man to be messed up.  I remember during the ’93 season players would complain how everytime they played against Barkley they would have bruises all over from that night. The man played with so much power that in todays game would make him look like Jeffrey Dahmer.

2.Dwight Howard learned everything from Patrick Ewing.  Ewing would have a field day against Dwight Howard.  Sorry Ewing alone stops Howard.  Now throw in The Admiral, He barely scores.  Dwight would not be a factor in this game

3.’08 team is more athletic and would run more?  Are we forgetting that Magic Johnson ( not literally) is the founder of the fast break.  He redefined everything about a fast break.  Now throw Jordan and Pippen on his wings and he makes any defender realize they should have just cherry picked.  Honestly more athletic?  Jordan Pippen Drexler > Lebron Kobe Wade.  If you disagree you clearly never watched them in their prime. 

4. 3 names, Jordan Mullen Bird.  Would drop 3’s all over the court,  something the Redeem team could never do.

5.  We tend to be so fascinated with the future we forget how great the past was.  Potential gives every man rosey eyes.  We have to realize these were the greatest players of All Time and its okay that they stay there for awhile.

[raybeasParticipant]

that the 96 team would beat the 08 team.

 

Shaq, Dream and Robinson – C

Malone and Barkley – PF

Hill, Penny, Pippen – SF

Reggie and Mitch Rich – SG

Payton and Stockton – PG

[raybeasParticipant]

that the 96 team would beat the 08 team.

 

Shaq, Dream and Robinson – C

Malone and Barkley – PF

Hill, Penny, Pippen – SF

Reggie and Mitch Rich – SG

Payton and Stockton – PG

[llperez]

I’m 30 and watched the original 92 team Play live, so that’s towards the guy saying only youngsters would pick the 08team.

As for the better shooters comparison, bird wouldn’t be able to get much run as he was retired with a bad back and no way he goes hard against real comp. Drexler Jordan and Stockton were good but not great shotters by any means. Paul, dwill, Kobe, lebron. Melo and redd probably all shoot as well if not better then those guys. That pretty much leaves mullin as the knockdown shore that might scare 08, and the more time he is on the court the less time pippin or Jordan are out there playing defense. 08 clearly has the better shooters

[llperez]

I’m 30 and watched the original 92 team Play live, so that’s towards the guy saying only youngsters would pick the 08team.

As for the better shooters comparison, bird wouldn’t be able to get much run as he was retired with a bad back and no way he goes hard against real comp. Drexler Jordan and Stockton were good but not great shotters by any means. Paul, dwill, Kobe, lebron. Melo and redd probably all shoot as well if not better then those guys. That pretty much leaves mullin as the knockdown shore that might scare 08, and the more time he is on the court the less time pippin or Jordan are out there playing defense. 08 clearly has the better shooters

[GrandmamaParticipant]

’92….they had this guy named Michael Jordan….nuff said

[GrandmamaParticipant]

’92….they had this guy named Michael Jordan….nuff said

[BoomshakalakaParticipant]

The Dream team has too many good Big Men   the Redeem Team would not be able to compete down low.

As far as Guard play I think the Redeem team has the edge with the likes of Paul, Deron, and Wade.

As far as overall team defense that definitely goes to the Dream team with the likes of Jordan, Pippen, and Robinson on the floor they are not going to let anyone score easy.

The Redeem team would win if it was a high scoring game 120+ points anything less than that and the Dream Team wins…

[BoomshakalakaParticipant]

The Dream team has too many good Big Men   the Redeem Team would not be able to compete down low.

As far as Guard play I think the Redeem team has the edge with the likes of Paul, Deron, and Wade.

As far as overall team defense that definitely goes to the Dream team with the likes of Jordan, Pippen, and Robinson on the floor they are not going to let anyone score easy.

The Redeem team would win if it was a high scoring game 120+ points anything less than that and the Dream Team wins…

[iguapops420Participant]

It’s a close battle IMO. As much crap as Magic talks about how the Dream Team was beating teams by 45 or w/e it was, they didn’t have to play near the same level of compettion. Thus the reason a retireed magic/Bird were able to make contibutions. The 08′ team played against the most elite Euro competition yet. Imo, 08 would take it based off their athletic upperhand. Personally though, I could see it go either way as the 08′ team had the better perimeter, while the 92′ tem had better bigs. Just depends on how good they would be able to go against Dwight and co.

[iguapops420Participant]

It’s a close battle IMO. As much crap as Magic talks about how the Dream Team was beating teams by 45 or w/e it was, they didn’t have to play near the same level of compettion. Thus the reason a retireed magic/Bird were able to make contibutions. The 08′ team played against the most elite Euro competition yet. Imo, 08 would take it based off their athletic upperhand. Personally though, I could see it go either way as the 08′ team had the better perimeter, while the 92′ tem had better bigs. Just depends on how good they would be able to go against Dwight and co.

[llperez]

1. Charles Barkley was no man to be messed up. I remember during the ’93 season players would complain how everytime they played against Barkley they would have bruises all over from that night. The man played with so much power that in todays game would make him look like Jeffrey Dahmer.——–agreed, he was great

2.Dwight Howard learned everything from Patrick Ewing. Ewing would have a field day against Dwight Howard. Sorry Ewing alone stops Howard. Now throw in The Admiral, He barely scores. Dwight would not be a factor in this game————-ewing aint having no field day against dwight. Dwight is a great defender on his own merit and a better athlete who can contest shots and close ground quickly. Ewing wasnt even better then robinson or olajuwon or a rookie shaq. Dwight might not be a go to player in the game, but his defense and ability to run the court making the 92 team work harder for fast break opportunities as well as the fact if his defender leaves him he is gonna get lobs and put backs makes him very much a factor, a huge factor. He might not outplay ewing/robinson, but to say he is non factor is silly.

3.’08 team is more athletic and would run more? Are we forgetting that Magic Johnson ( not literally) is the founder of the fast break. He redefined everything about a fast break. Now throw Jordan and Pippen on his wings and he makes any defender realize they should have just cherry picked. Honestly more athletic? Jordan Pippen Drexler > Lebron Kobe Wade. If you disagree you clearly never watched them in their prime.—————-What does prime have to do with this discussion?Lebron is easily the best ahtlete of the 6 with drexler and wade pretty close while pippen and bryant were about the same in terms of athletiicism. Magic was barely able to push the ball in the 91 finals at all and had to resort to backing his man up from halfcourt just to get the team offense started. 

4. 3 names, Jordan Mullen Bird. Would drop 3’s all over the court, something the Redeem team could never do.———Jordan wasnt a great 3 point shooter. Kobe, melo, paul, williams, redd and imo lebron were all better 3 point shooters then him. And if bird and mullin(especially an old retired bird with a bad back) are on the court, then what ever 3 point advantage they might have is dimished by their lack of defense.

5. We tend to be so fascinated with the future we forget how great the past was. Potential gives every man rosey eyes. We have to realize these were the greatest players of All Time and its okay that they stay there for awhile.————-Im not forgetting how great the past was. I think it would be a great game to watch. But basketball evolves. I hear just as many old time fans talk about how much everything was greater in their days then now more then i hear younger fans talk about how todays players are all the best. Heck, i know guys in their 40’s and 50’s that swear jordan couldnt hold a candle to oscar robertson and that wilt is the goat. Its natural to live in the past and only remember the great things about former stars.

 

[llperez]

1. Charles Barkley was no man to be messed up. I remember during the ’93 season players would complain how everytime they played against Barkley they would have bruises all over from that night. The man played with so much power that in todays game would make him look like Jeffrey Dahmer.——–agreed, he was great

2.Dwight Howard learned everything from Patrick Ewing. Ewing would have a field day against Dwight Howard. Sorry Ewing alone stops Howard. Now throw in The Admiral, He barely scores. Dwight would not be a factor in this game————-ewing aint having no field day against dwight. Dwight is a great defender on his own merit and a better athlete who can contest shots and close ground quickly. Ewing wasnt even better then robinson or olajuwon or a rookie shaq. Dwight might not be a go to player in the game, but his defense and ability to run the court making the 92 team work harder for fast break opportunities as well as the fact if his defender leaves him he is gonna get lobs and put backs makes him very much a factor, a huge factor. He might not outplay ewing/robinson, but to say he is non factor is silly.

3.’08 team is more athletic and would run more? Are we forgetting that Magic Johnson ( not literally) is the founder of the fast break. He redefined everything about a fast break. Now throw Jordan and Pippen on his wings and he makes any defender realize they should have just cherry picked. Honestly more athletic? Jordan Pippen Drexler > Lebron Kobe Wade. If you disagree you clearly never watched them in their prime.—————-What does prime have to do with this discussion?Lebron is easily the best ahtlete of the 6 with drexler and wade pretty close while pippen and bryant were about the same in terms of athletiicism. Magic was barely able to push the ball in the 91 finals at all and had to resort to backing his man up from halfcourt just to get the team offense started. 

4. 3 names, Jordan Mullen Bird. Would drop 3’s all over the court, something the Redeem team could never do.———Jordan wasnt a great 3 point shooter. Kobe, melo, paul, williams, redd and imo lebron were all better 3 point shooters then him. And if bird and mullin(especially an old retired bird with a bad back) are on the court, then what ever 3 point advantage they might have is dimished by their lack of defense.

5. We tend to be so fascinated with the future we forget how great the past was. Potential gives every man rosey eyes. We have to realize these were the greatest players of All Time and its okay that they stay there for awhile.————-Im not forgetting how great the past was. I think it would be a great game to watch. But basketball evolves. I hear just as many old time fans talk about how much everything was greater in their days then now more then i hear younger fans talk about how todays players are all the best. Heck, i know guys in their 40’s and 50’s that swear jordan couldnt hold a candle to oscar robertson and that wilt is the goat. Its natural to live in the past and only remember the great things about former stars.

 

[Tim49461Participant]

 @llperez  

Dwight Howard has never had to worry about 2 of the greatest defensive players on the court at the same time. Against Kevin Love this season he only got an average of 10rbs.  That is still alot but now put two great all time rebounders fighting for it.  Dwight would barely reach 8 with both of them on the court.  The thing is Dwight would never see the ball.  His only points would be put backs. 

Prime meaning,  The way Drexler, Jordan, and Pippen would fly threw the air.  Drexler > Wade.  Wade is extremely gifted but Drexler flew better and i would say even more fluid and control of his body. Pippen > Kobe.  Kobe isnt the same athlete at this time in his career Pippen would fly all over him.  Jordan > Lebron.  Are we forgetting the body control, the circus shots, the ability to dunk on anything.  Lebron still just uses his strength.  He has never had to make the moves jordan has had to make because of his size.  

Im sorry Magic couldnt push the ball in 91?  The man averaged 12.5 assist that year?  Say he cant run but he damn sure knew who to get the ball to when other were running.

I love when people say Jordan couldnt shoot 3’s.  If it wasnt for the Wizard years the man would have nearly 40% 3pt.  What also makes me laugh even more is the 90-91 season he shot 27% heard the criticism and came back to shoot 35% then 50% the following year.  right around the time the 92 team was made. 

Not to be a d**k and rub it in but check this out.

Carmelo 32%, Paul 35%, D.Williams 35% Lebron 32%, Kobe 33%

Stockton 39%, Mullen 39% Bird 38%

Please check your stats as far as better shooters go.  I knew this before i went to check to see what the actual % were.

I dont live in the past i see greatness and recognize it.  I believe Kobe is top 5 all time talent.  But to place Lebron wade howard etc when they havent done crap compared to the ’92 i get a little mad.

[ItsVictorOladipoParticipant]

Dwight Howard has never had to worry about 2 of the greatest defensive players on the court at the same time. Against Kevin Love this season he only got an average of 10rbs. That is still alot but now put two great all time rebounders fighting for it. Dwight would barely reach 8 with both of them on the court. The thing is Dwight would never see the ball. His only points would be put backs.

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Now I already said that the Dream Team’s main advantage over the Redeem Team would be play in the post but I think you go a bit too far here;

First of all you say "Against Kevin Love this season he only got an average of 10rbs". That is quite simply false. He got 25 rebounds in 2 games against Minnesota, that’s a very impressive average of 12.5 per game.

You then say that "Dwight Howard has never had to worry about 2 of the greatest defensive players on the court at the same time." I assume you’re referring to Ewing as one of the two greatest defensive players on the court, but Ewing while a good defender who blocked alot of shots isn’t even widely considered one of the 10 greatest defensive centers of all time let alone one of the greatest defenders ever.

You also go on to say "That is still alot but now put two great all time rebounders fighting for it." I know it’s somehow become taboo on this board to say a modern player is better than an all-time great but sometimes it’s just true; Dwight Howard is a better rebounder than Robinson and Ewing ever were. The same is probably true for Kevin Love as well he just needs to prove that this past season wasn’t a fluke.

Robinson and Ewing were terrific players, highly skilled, athletic, and defensive prescences to boot but Dwight is a dominant player in his own right. A better rebounder than both of them, significantly heavier, with better hops than both of them and also a better defender than Ewing.

Your final words really annoy me; "But to place Lebron wade howard etc when they havent done crap compared to the ’92 i get a little mad." What exactly had Robinson, Ewing, Malone, Barkley, Stockton, Drexler, Mullin accomplished at this point that Lebron/Wade/Howard had not? None of them had a single MVP or NBA championship to their names by 1992.

[ItsVictorOladipoParticipant]

Dwight Howard has never had to worry about 2 of the greatest defensive players on the court at the same time. Against Kevin Love this season he only got an average of 10rbs. That is still alot but now put two great all time rebounders fighting for it. Dwight would barely reach 8 with both of them on the court. The thing is Dwight would never see the ball. His only points would be put backs.

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Now I already said that the Dream Team’s main advantage over the Redeem Team would be play in the post but I think you go a bit too far here;

First of all you say "Against Kevin Love this season he only got an average of 10rbs". That is quite simply false. He got 25 rebounds in 2 games against Minnesota, that’s a very impressive average of 12.5 per game.

You then say that "Dwight Howard has never had to worry about 2 of the greatest defensive players on the court at the same time." I assume you’re referring to Ewing as one of the two greatest defensive players on the court, but Ewing while a good defender who blocked alot of shots isn’t even widely considered one of the 10 greatest defensive centers of all time let alone one of the greatest defenders ever.

You also go on to say "That is still alot but now put two great all time rebounders fighting for it." I know it’s somehow become taboo on this board to say a modern player is better than an all-time great but sometimes it’s just true; Dwight Howard is a better rebounder than Robinson and Ewing ever were. The same is probably true for Kevin Love as well he just needs to prove that this past season wasn’t a fluke.

Robinson and Ewing were terrific players, highly skilled, athletic, and defensive prescences to boot but Dwight is a dominant player in his own right. A better rebounder than both of them, significantly heavier, with better hops than both of them and also a better defender than Ewing.

Your final words really annoy me; "But to place Lebron wade howard etc when they havent done crap compared to the ’92 i get a little mad." What exactly had Robinson, Ewing, Malone, Barkley, Stockton, Drexler, Mullin accomplished at this point that Lebron/Wade/Howard had not? None of them had a single MVP or NBA championship to their names by 1992.

[Tim49461Participant]

 @llperez  

Dwight Howard has never had to worry about 2 of the greatest defensive players on the court at the same time. Against Kevin Love this season he only got an average of 10rbs.  That is still alot but now put two great all time rebounders fighting for it.  Dwight would barely reach 8 with both of them on the court.  The thing is Dwight would never see the ball.  His only points would be put backs. 

Prime meaning,  The way Drexler, Jordan, and Pippen would fly threw the air.  Drexler > Wade.  Wade is extremely gifted but Drexler flew better and i would say even more fluid and control of his body. Pippen > Kobe.  Kobe isnt the same athlete at this time in his career Pippen would fly all over him.  Jordan > Lebron.  Are we forgetting the body control, the circus shots, the ability to dunk on anything.  Lebron still just uses his strength.  He has never had to make the moves jordan has had to make because of his size.  

Im sorry Magic couldnt push the ball in 91?  The man averaged 12.5 assist that year?  Say he cant run but he damn sure knew who to get the ball to when other were running.

I love when people say Jordan couldnt shoot 3’s.  If it wasnt for the Wizard years the man would have nearly 40% 3pt.  What also makes me laugh even more is the 90-91 season he shot 27% heard the criticism and came back to shoot 35% then 50% the following year.  right around the time the 92 team was made. 

Not to be a d**k and rub it in but check this out.

Carmelo 32%, Paul 35%, D.Williams 35% Lebron 32%, Kobe 33%

Stockton 39%, Mullen 39% Bird 38%

Please check your stats as far as better shooters go.  I knew this before i went to check to see what the actual % were.

I dont live in the past i see greatness and recognize it.  I believe Kobe is top 5 all time talent.  But to place Lebron wade howard etc when they havent done crap compared to the ’92 i get a little mad.

[llperez]

Jordan wasn’t close to shooing 40% from 3 even before the wash days. His 50% season consisted of 17 games where he made a total of 15 threes. He rarely settled for threes which is why his career % is even close to melo, Kobe, lebron, Paul, dwill etc… He only made more then 1 three a game 3 times and for his career only .5 per game. Your % should be higher when you don’t take as many. So if you are gonna say be sure to check your stats, you should please take your own advise as well as look beyond the numbers. As I said, bird ain’t gonna see the court much and mullin ain’t no better then redd who you conveniently left out. That leaves Stockton who is simmer to a chris Paul in that his % is largely based on not settling for bad shots. And Paul is currently at 36% and rising fast with his 3 point shooting numbers.

As for the prime talk, you didn’t really exPlain why you bring up a players prime when we are talking about 2 specific teams where many guys are not in thief prime. And lebron, Kobe, wade is just as athletic as Jordan, pippin drexler no matter how you want to break it down

[llperez]

Jordan wasn’t close to shooing 40% from 3 even before the wash days. His 50% season consisted of 17 games where he made a total of 15 threes. He rarely settled for threes which is why his career % is even close to melo, Kobe, lebron, Paul, dwill etc… He only made more then 1 three a game 3 times and for his career only .5 per game. Your % should be higher when you don’t take as many. So if you are gonna say be sure to check your stats, you should please take your own advise as well as look beyond the numbers. As I said, bird ain’t gonna see the court much and mullin ain’t no better then redd who you conveniently left out. That leaves Stockton who is simmer to a chris Paul in that his % is largely based on not settling for bad shots. And Paul is currently at 36% and rising fast with his 3 point shooting numbers.

As for the prime talk, you didn’t really exPlain why you bring up a players prime when we are talking about 2 specific teams where many guys are not in thief prime. And lebron, Kobe, wade is just as athletic as Jordan, pippin drexler no matter how you want to break it down

[ghrghrParticipant]

 I’d say out of 10 games the dream team would win 6-7. It would in no way be an easy game.

When you have that much talent on the court it comes up to the little things. A player with a hot hand could completely change the result of the game. 

A matchup between David Robinson and Dwight Howard would be a matchup between the 2 most physically gifted big men I have seen play basketball.

Kobe/Dwade against Jordan would be great too.

[ghrghrParticipant]

 I’d say out of 10 games the dream team would win 6-7. It would in no way be an easy game.

When you have that much talent on the court it comes up to the little things. A player with a hot hand could completely change the result of the game. 

A matchup between David Robinson and Dwight Howard would be a matchup between the 2 most physically gifted big men I have seen play basketball.

Kobe/Dwade against Jordan would be great too.

[Tim49461Participant]

 llperez

You are still missing the point that the next season after that he shot 42.7% and that was a 82 game season for him. So your statement is invalid.  And that is fine Mullen is a better 3pt specialist then bird % wise.  So why does that even matter?

And that still doesnt matter career wise he knew when to shoot, how does that matter llperez?  If anything that means stockton was a smarter player then Chris Paul,  so it is a lose/lose for you.  Making me consider why you even brought it up. 

 

llperez i brought up prime because all these players were still capable of playing at  a elite athletic standard.  Meaning Drexler Jordan Pippen.  During the 92 season Drexler was still able to fly better then Kobe can now.  Thus meaning he is still is prime time. and since it was clear Jordan and pippen were able to still do work i didnt bring them up incase you thought about asking that question.

You are caught up in the future man it is ok.  It is not a insult just some people like the idea of what things could become.  

[Tim49461Participant]

 llperez

You are still missing the point that the next season after that he shot 42.7% and that was a 82 game season for him. So your statement is invalid.  And that is fine Mullen is a better 3pt specialist then bird % wise.  So why does that even matter?

And that still doesnt matter career wise he knew when to shoot, how does that matter llperez?  If anything that means stockton was a smarter player then Chris Paul,  so it is a lose/lose for you.  Making me consider why you even brought it up. 

 

llperez i brought up prime because all these players were still capable of playing at  a elite athletic standard.  Meaning Drexler Jordan Pippen.  During the 92 season Drexler was still able to fly better then Kobe can now.  Thus meaning he is still is prime time. and since it was clear Jordan and pippen were able to still do work i didnt bring them up incase you thought about asking that question.

You are caught up in the future man it is ok.  It is not a insult just some people like the idea of what things could become.  

[llperez]

llperez

You are still missing the point that the next season after that he shot 42.7% and that was a 82 game season for him. So your statement is invalid. And that is fine Mullen is a better 3pt specialist then bird % wise. So why does that even matter?———you brought up jordan shooting 40% from 3 for his career to validate his being a better 3  shooter then the 08 guys which is flat out false. He wasnt close to 40%. And tyhen you brought up his 50% fro 3 season which consisted of him going 15/30 in a couple of weeks of basketball in a season where the nba shortened the 3 point line by 2 feet as some kind of proof he shot 3’s better. Just admit you were wrong on the jordan shooting 3’s thing and we can move on. I mean even the only real season he shot over 40% was again a year where the nba shortened the 3 point lnie by 2 feet. Fact is his career 3 point % is about 32% and that was with him making about 1 3 aver other game(0.5 3’s per game for his career). As for your second comment about "mullen is a better 3 point shooter then bird, why does that matter" i have no idea what you mean.

And that still doesnt matter career wise he knew when to shoot, how does that matter llperez? If anything that means stockton was a smarter player then Chris Paul, so it is a lose/lose for you. Making me consider why you even brought it up.————Stockton shot 41% from 3 while taking 2 a game. Paul shot 37% while taking 3 attempts per game. Fact is both guys are percentage shooters who dont force tough shots and pauls career percentage is rising every singel season. Both are smart players who choose shots wisely so im not sure what you mean by stockton was smarter when i said both guys are smart shooters.

 

llperez i brought up prime because all these players were still capable of playing at a elite athletic standard. Meaning Drexler Jordan Pippen. During the 92 season Drexler was still able to fly better then Kobe can now. Thus meaning he is still is prime time. and since it was clear Jordan and pippen were able to still do work i didnt bring them up incase you thought about asking that question.————Not sure what you mean by"they did work in case you thought of that queation". Fact is lebron was a better athlete then jordan, period and you will not find anyone to argue against that. Wade and drexler are pretty close and kobe and pippen were pretty close. Seeing as how you are the one who decided to bring how much more athletic the jordan/drexler/pipen trio were, i would hope you have reasong to support that. Fact is both trios are close.

You are caught up in the future man it is ok. It is not a insult just some people like the idea of what things could become.———-I aint caught up in anything. I just call it like i see it. It would be a close game but im going with 08 by the fact bird and johnson were injured and retired while the 08 team had multiple slashers/athletes and were a better shooting team. ANd ill repeat again, if you want to debate by all means have at it. But when you smart mouth about "you should look  up stats" take your own advice because your jordan stats to support his 3 point shooting were embarrassing.

 

[llperez]

llperez

You are still missing the point that the next season after that he shot 42.7% and that was a 82 game season for him. So your statement is invalid. And that is fine Mullen is a better 3pt specialist then bird % wise. So why does that even matter?———you brought up jordan shooting 40% from 3 for his career to validate his being a better 3  shooter then the 08 guys which is flat out false. He wasnt close to 40%. And tyhen you brought up his 50% fro 3 season which consisted of him going 15/30 in a couple of weeks of basketball in a season where the nba shortened the 3 point line by 2 feet as some kind of proof he shot 3’s better. Just admit you were wrong on the jordan shooting 3’s thing and we can move on. I mean even the only real season he shot over 40% was again a year where the nba shortened the 3 point lnie by 2 feet. Fact is his career 3 point % is about 32% and that was with him making about 1 3 aver other game(0.5 3’s per game for his career). As for your second comment about "mullen is a better 3 point shooter then bird, why does that matter" i have no idea what you mean.

And that still doesnt matter career wise he knew when to shoot, how does that matter llperez? If anything that means stockton was a smarter player then Chris Paul, so it is a lose/lose for you. Making me consider why you even brought it up.————Stockton shot 41% from 3 while taking 2 a game. Paul shot 37% while taking 3 attempts per game. Fact is both guys are percentage shooters who dont force tough shots and pauls career percentage is rising every singel season. Both are smart players who choose shots wisely so im not sure what you mean by stockton was smarter when i said both guys are smart shooters.

 

llperez i brought up prime because all these players were still capable of playing at a elite athletic standard. Meaning Drexler Jordan Pippen. During the 92 season Drexler was still able to fly better then Kobe can now. Thus meaning he is still is prime time. and since it was clear Jordan and pippen were able to still do work i didnt bring them up incase you thought about asking that question.————Not sure what you mean by"they did work in case you thought of that queation". Fact is lebron was a better athlete then jordan, period and you will not find anyone to argue against that. Wade and drexler are pretty close and kobe and pippen were pretty close. Seeing as how you are the one who decided to bring how much more athletic the jordan/drexler/pipen trio were, i would hope you have reasong to support that. Fact is both trios are close.

You are caught up in the future man it is ok. It is not a insult just some people like the idea of what things could become.———-I aint caught up in anything. I just call it like i see it. It would be a close game but im going with 08 by the fact bird and johnson were injured and retired while the 08 team had multiple slashers/athletes and were a better shooting team. ANd ill repeat again, if you want to debate by all means have at it. But when you smart mouth about "you should look  up stats" take your own advice because your jordan stats to support his 3 point shooting were embarrassing.

 

[Tim49461Participant]

 Really llperez embarrassing?! The fact you think Jordan shooting 32% is horrible when i showed you that your supposed better shooting team shot 35% and below?  That is really rubbing it in my face? Get out of here man,  It is a sad day when the numbers are right in front of your face and you flat out deny it.  Kobe, Melo, Bron 33% that whole .5% makes the 08 that much more reliable of a shooter?  You are making yourself look ignorant right now.  

You cant change how many shots someone took, but when they shot the ball % shows the true skill in a player.  If it is the same % then it is the same %.  This whole Stockton shot 2 a game while Paul shot 3? Really dude?  You are reaching for leverage and it just sounds dumb.  Im tired of reading half a$$ excuses you keep posting.  SMFH, really 2 to 3… Im done after reading that line.

[Tim49461Participant]

 Really llperez embarrassing?! The fact you think Jordan shooting 32% is horrible when i showed you that your supposed better shooting team shot 35% and below?  That is really rubbing it in my face? Get out of here man,  It is a sad day when the numbers are right in front of your face and you flat out deny it.  Kobe, Melo, Bron 33% that whole .5% makes the 08 that much more reliable of a shooter?  You are making yourself look ignorant right now.  

You cant change how many shots someone took, but when they shot the ball % shows the true skill in a player.  If it is the same % then it is the same %.  This whole Stockton shot 2 a game while Paul shot 3? Really dude?  You are reaching for leverage and it just sounds dumb.  Im tired of reading half a$$ excuses you keep posting.  SMFH, really 2 to 3… Im done after reading that line.

[Tim49461Participant]

 Also just for the record on this whole Jordan statement to rub it in.  If its Dream Team vs Redeem Team.  It would go by Olypmic rules.  Meaning the 3pt line would be FIBA regulations…Have fun talking your way out of that.

[Tim49461Participant]

 Also just for the record on this whole Jordan statement to rub it in.  If its Dream Team vs Redeem Team.  It would go by Olypmic rules.  Meaning the 3pt line would be FIBA regulations…Have fun talking your way out of that.

[nba00Participant]

i think they will be a better team on the post especially on rebounding, jordan and others wont be scared to take jumpshots because they know about that advantage.  bosh, melo, dwight and boozer is not enough to stop the bigs of the dream team.  i’m sure that lebron and wade will help rebounding but do you think that pippen, jordan, bird and magic wont?

[nba00Participant]

i think they will be a better team on the post especially on rebounding, jordan and others wont be scared to take jumpshots because they know about that advantage.  bosh, melo, dwight and boozer is not enough to stop the bigs of the dream team.  i’m sure that lebron and wade will help rebounding but do you think that pippen, jordan, bird and magic wont?

[Mr. JewboyParticipant]

 I really enjoyed watching the redeem team highlights!

I forgot how athletic Lebron was, and Wade also had a bunch of real athletic and nice beautiful plays

[Mr. JewboyParticipant]

 I really enjoyed watching the redeem team highlights!

I forgot how athletic Lebron was, and Wade also had a bunch of real athletic and nice beautiful plays

[llperez]

lol tim, so now are arguing that jordans 32% is legit? Okay so as loing as you admit you were wrong about the whole 40% thing then we are on the same page becasue i never said jordan’s 32% was embarrassing. I said you telling me to look up stats when you were providing inaccurate stats was embarrassing. Try talking your way out of that one.

[llperez]

lol tim, so now are arguing that jordans 32% is legit? Okay so as loing as you admit you were wrong about the whole 40% thing then we are on the same page becasue i never said jordan’s 32% was embarrassing. I said you telling me to look up stats when you were providing inaccurate stats was embarrassing. Try talking your way out of that one.

[iguapops420Participant]

 Kidd 46% 3pt the second half of the 07-08 season as a Mav. Followed that up with a 40% 3pt year the year after, on 3 and 4 attempts per respectively.

Kobe 36% from 3 in 08 on 5 attempts folowed by 35% the following year.

Melo 35% from 3 that year and then 37% the following year on 2 and 3 attempts each year. 

LBJ 31 and 34% in 08 and the following year on 5 attempts both. Weak link shooitng wise but had his 2bd highest scoring year to date that same year.

Redd 36% and 37% in 08 and the following year on 5 and 6 attempts.

Paul 37% and 36% in 08 and following year on 3 and 2 attempts while having his two best statistical seasons to date.

D-Will 39% and 31%. Not the best year after % but still terrific shooting in 08.

Prince 36 and 40% on 2 attempts.

Wade  29 and 31%. He and LBJ obviously the weak links but who could stop Wade from playin to his strength of driving the lane getting to the line.

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Barkely 23% in 92 and 30% the following year on 2 and 3 attempts per.

Bird 40% on 3 attempts. Also a broken down 35 year old who only managed to play in 45 games that year.

Magic N/A as he was ALREADY RETIRED.

MJ 27% and 35% in 92 and the following year on 1 and 3 attempts.

Mullin 36% and 45% 92′ and year following on 2 and 3.

Drexler34% and 23% 92′ and year after on 4 and 3 attempts per.

Pippen 20% and 23% from downtown that year and the following.

Stockton 40% and 38% on 3 and 2 attempts respectively.

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Career averages really have no bearing on how you shot in a said specific year. A best way to ook at a situation like this with 2 teams in specific years it to look at the percentages of said year and yer following. 

08                                                                                                   92

40% and up= 1                                                                               2

37% and up=2                                                                                0

35% and up=4                                                                                1

30% and up=1                                                                                2

sub 30% =1                                                                                     3 and a RETIRED player. 

 

Not saying that 08 is going to beaguaranteed a win just because they had better shooters from top to bottom. But they certainly had better athletes overall than the 92 team.Like I said before, IMO, it would all come down to how well Dwight managed to battle Pat, Dave, and Hakeem.

BTW, Just the fact that you see Pat and Hakeem playing for America shows the level of talent that the redeem team faced as guys like Ewing and Olajuwon would have played for their respective countries in our era.

[iguapops420Participant]

 Kidd 46% 3pt the second half of the 07-08 season as a Mav. Followed that up with a 40% 3pt year the year after, on 3 and 4 attempts per respectively.

Kobe 36% from 3 in 08 on 5 attempts folowed by 35% the following year.

Melo 35% from 3 that year and then 37% the following year on 2 and 3 attempts each year. 

LBJ 31 and 34% in 08 and the following year on 5 attempts both. Weak link shooitng wise but had his 2bd highest scoring year to date that same year.

Redd 36% and 37% in 08 and the following year on 5 and 6 attempts.

Paul 37% and 36% in 08 and following year on 3 and 2 attempts while having his two best statistical seasons to date.

D-Will 39% and 31%. Not the best year after % but still terrific shooting in 08.

Prince 36 and 40% on 2 attempts.

Wade  29 and 31%. He and LBJ obviously the weak links but who could stop Wade from playin to his strength of driving the lane getting to the line.

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Barkely 23% in 92 and 30% the following year on 2 and 3 attempts per.

Bird 40% on 3 attempts. Also a broken down 35 year old who only managed to play in 45 games that year.

Magic N/A as he was ALREADY RETIRED.

MJ 27% and 35% in 92 and the following year on 1 and 3 attempts.

Mullin 36% and 45% 92′ and year following on 2 and 3.

Drexler34% and 23% 92′ and year after on 4 and 3 attempts per.

Pippen 20% and 23% from downtown that year and the following.

Stockton 40% and 38% on 3 and 2 attempts respectively.

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Career averages really have no bearing on how you shot in a said specific year. A best way to ook at a situation like this with 2 teams in specific years it to look at the percentages of said year and yer following. 

08                                                                                                   92

40% and up= 1                                                                               2

37% and up=2                                                                                0

35% and up=4                                                                                1

30% and up=1                                                                                2

sub 30% =1                                                                                     3 and a RETIRED player. 

 

Not saying that 08 is going to beaguaranteed a win just because they had better shooters from top to bottom. But they certainly had better athletes overall than the 92 team.Like I said before, IMO, it would all come down to how well Dwight managed to battle Pat, Dave, and Hakeem.

BTW, Just the fact that you see Pat and Hakeem playing for America shows the level of talent that the redeem team faced as guys like Ewing and Olajuwon would have played for their respective countries in our era.

[llperez]

so the guy who told me my stats were wrong and that i need to do my homework was also wrong on the rebounds as well the shooting that i already pointed out? Tim did u just make up all your stats off the top of your head when you told me to do some research? In any case, im done going back and forth over this.

Would be a good game to watch. 2 amazingly talented teams.

[llperez]

so the guy who told me my stats were wrong and that i need to do my homework was also wrong on the rebounds as well the shooting that i already pointed out? Tim did u just make up all your stats off the top of your head when you told me to do some research? In any case, im done going back and forth over this.

Would be a good game to watch. 2 amazingly talented teams.

[Tim49461Participant]

 @llperez 

1.  You really have the memory of a goldfish.  My statement was jordan would be close to 40% if it wasnt for the Wizard years.  You are just being a c*cky pr*ck now that is resorting to insults.  So now that you feel like a stupid a$$ for saying that.

and i wasnt talking about Jordan shooting 32% beign embarrassing, i was talking about you saying that about me.

Also for being 30 and not understanding that stats can be used to portray a different image then what they say.  To only use the 92 or 93 season could just mean it was a down year.  Want me to pull up Kobe’s rookie stats and say he was never a great scorer.  You should ashamed in trying to use that in a agrument.  I used Career stats because that is what they were over a peroid of time. Not a season.

I lost so much respect for you llperez. Bye.  My point has been made you have been using opinion rather then fact this whole argument.

[Tim49461Participant]

 @llperez 

1.  You really have the memory of a goldfish.  My statement was jordan would be close to 40% if it wasnt for the Wizard years.  You are just being a c*cky pr*ck now that is resorting to insults.  So now that you feel like a stupid a$$ for saying that.

and i wasnt talking about Jordan shooting 32% beign embarrassing, i was talking about you saying that about me.

Also for being 30 and not understanding that stats can be used to portray a different image then what they say.  To only use the 92 or 93 season could just mean it was a down year.  Want me to pull up Kobe’s rookie stats and say he was never a great scorer.  You should ashamed in trying to use that in a agrument.  I used Career stats because that is what they were over a peroid of time. Not a season.

I lost so much respect for you llperez. Bye.  My point has been made you have been using opinion rather then fact this whole argument.

[iguapops420Participant]

 Sensitive much. All Perez did was call your fake percentages out. You should be embarrassedat the fact you said without  the Washington years, Jordan would be a 40% shooter from behind the arc. Fact of the matter is, you are still VERY wrong brother.

Michael Jordan’s 3pt career without the years with Washington.

555/ 3PA

1670/ 3PM 

33% from deep.

[iguapops420Participant]

 Sensitive much. All Perez did was call your fake percentages out. You should be embarrassedat the fact you said without  the Washington years, Jordan would be a 40% shooter from behind the arc. Fact of the matter is, you are still VERY wrong brother.

Michael Jordan’s 3pt career without the years with Washington.

555/ 3PA

1670/ 3PM 

33% from deep.

[llperez]

exactly.

[llperez]

exactly.

[llperez]

i do appologize if i was being a cocky prick though tim. I shouldnt be throwing insults so my bad on that.

[llperez]

i do appologize if i was being a cocky prick though tim. I shouldnt be throwing insults so my bad on that.

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