[dudo670Participant]

Every year it seems like the new class is the new hype. And while I do think this class has more promise than some of the recent classes, I think draft people need a dose of reality.

 

First, no one in this draft is franchise changing player. Some people don’t understand that franchise changing players don’t grow on trees, which is why they are so valuable. If there were 15 guys who could carry a team to a title, parity would be real and you wouldn’t see the same 3 or 4 teams squaring off every year, or if they did, they’d be more equipped to beat each other.

 

Take Markelle Fultz. I think he’ll be a very good NBA player. But I’m not sure he’s even as good as Kyrie Irving, and the cavs stunk before LeBron came back. Kyrie is a great player, but he’s not changing your franchises fortunes by itself. Washington was horrible this year. And yes, their team was terrible around Fultz, but you can’t tell me that Fultz isn’t good enough to beat Washington State or Arizona state all by himself. 

 

My favorite player in the draft is Lonzo Ball, but even he isn’t going to change a franchise all by himself, though I think he has the highest potential to do so. At least he nearly singlehandedly (with TJ Leaf) turned a 15 win UCLA team into a championship caliber team. But even he is no sure thing to change an NBA team.

 

Dennis Smith Jr. possesses great athleticism but like Fultz his team was awful and struggled against even the bottom feeders of the ACC. 

 

Josh Jackson is a fantastic athlete and player but without a jump shot in today’s NBA, what’s his ceiling?

 

Lauri Markkanen is another prospect I like a lot but he has really cooled off the last month or two.

 

Bottom line is that people will fawn over this draft class, yet in all likelihood none of these guys will singlehandedly turn a team from 20 wins to 35 wins in one season like even a Carmelo Anthony could do.

 

 

[BeastMode716Participant]

 but devoid of that one transformational player who can single handedly change the fortunes of an NBA franchise

There may indeed exist one or two or even more of these players but we won’t know until this class has a chance to develop.

This is no criticism of the Draft prospects. Like everyone else I am very excited about this Draft, I just think a great deal depends on Fit & other factors outside the control of the players themselves. 

 

 

 

 

[OhCanada-Participant]

You never know how players develop and this draft has alot of talent to choose from. Ben Simmons would probally go 1st overall in this draft. However Ingram and Brown would probally go mid to late lottery while guys like Poeltl and Maker would likely go mid to late 1st round. 

[Andv1 WaitingParticipant]

 It all depends who is in the top 10, where the player goes, who is the coach there and how the team is building to what this class ends up being…

A franchise changer though definiton would be someone that changes your direction in the right way:

So it could be something like your perfect 6th man,your 3rd option,2nd or 1st option..For example an 11th pick that turned into Klay Changed GSW’s path or Kawhi the spurs..

To give you an example: Ball could end up in dallas and be the 2nd coming of J-Kidd due to system,vets,opportunity and the right team is already there for him vs going to a team where he is made to earn his and struggles to stick with them or loses cofidence and turns into a ricky rubio type player…

But if you mean theres no lebron type player/clear cut number 1 you maybe right but those days are over where one player will carry you to glory as teams are either getting to stacked(GSW/Cavs) or poorly run(Kings/pelicans) to make that player a “Franchise changer”-See A.D or Boogies time with both teams…

 

 

 

 

 

  

 

[khaled_a_dParticipant]

1-Not every draft get same hype,I don’t remember last year draft getting so much hype if at all,
2-Quit Ironically 2015 draft and 2009 didn’t get much hype at all,in fact 2009 was described as bad draft that has 1 superstar and some even had extreme opinion that other than Blake the rest will be starters at best,needles to say that draft had 3 superstars
2011 was also considered a really bad one due to the lockout as many jumped to draft in 2010 and many others decided to stay after lockout to 2012 and it doesn’t look so bad now with 3 players has been at least top 2 players in last 3 champions only in the 1st 5 years of the draft
3- Out of the 6 players that scored 30K points for example 3 players were drafted 9th or later,what is my point about that?. Super Stars franchise changing players are rarely decided as 19 years old prospect,it is about talent but also hard working consistently. Those guys was once a prospect. if anyone compared Kobe & Dirk to MJ & Bird before the draft they would have been called insane but they have proved to be worth the comparison and became all time gr8. Yes Superstars don’t come in handy but they were once prospects that people were doubting.
4-So when it comes to draft hype,people always point out to the potential of those players,how many of those who if worked hard and fall into right situation would be superstars,this draft has quit a lot
5-One thing I would agree with that in many cases draft hype can be false,2009,2011&2015 weren’t hyped. 2010,2012&2014 were highly hyped and honestly I kind prefer the 1st 3 over the later

[D7H7NParticipant]

Most of the prospects in the first round are 20 years old or younger. Even if a team isn’t drafting in the lottery, they’ll be able to get a young player. I think Justin Jackson is the oldest prospect in the first round and he only turns 22 in a few weeks.

[jjj10manParticipant]

 I have no idea what you mean by "franchise changing player"; there is no player in the league right now who could carry the Nets to the finals.

The Greek Freak is a top 7 player and he can barely get his team in the playoffs. I don’t think you realize how bad Washington is for Fultz; the skill gap in college ball is so great is the reason why he can’t win.

 

[dudo670Participant]

to the audience that seems to think that Andrew Wiggins is still somehow potentially a franchise player. The thing is, the whole concept behind a franchise player relies on their not being many of them, because if there were a lot of them they wouldn’t exist. Even LeBron didn’t carry the Cavs to the playoffs in his first couple years; yes you need time to enter your prime and have guys around you. But none of the guys in this draft are going to be top 5 players in the game. Sure, Fultz could end up being an all-star and one of the best players on a contender, but to think that he is going to be a superstar is naive. I guess he could become one but I wouldn’t count on it. 

Also, I think the Cousins trade shows the flaw with stats. Sure, he can roll out of bed and put up 25 and 10, but he doesn’t make his team better. He’s not carrying his team to wins. Everyone fell in love with Fultz specifically because deanondraft liked him as his top guy early and while I respect dean a lot, I don’t necessarily respect his following, and he put up 25-7-7 in nonconference on 45% shooting but his numbers have significantly regressed as the season has finished.

 

 

[Andv1 WaitingParticipant]

To be fair about Wiggins though: He has had 3 coaches each with slightly differen systems…However give him 3 years under one coach then we have a bigger picture of his overall game which will answer if he is a legit number 1 or 2 on a team or just a solid third option. Because I could see him turning into a T-mac/Jimmy Butler type player under Thibs as he has started to trend in the right direction under him.

As for Futlz the question is do you see C.J mcollum(Floor),D angello Russell/MikeConoly or Harden(Futlz ceiling) as Franchise players if yes then he could potentially turn into one but it all depends on where he goes in the draft…As for drop in play my understanding he has been dealing with niggles that have possible slowed him down a bit…

The Boogie trade the issue with that is this:Kings didn’t build around him properly-Fired the coach he got along with and finally looked like was turning the corner(malone), didn’t draft/get the right pieces for his style of play(see this years rocket to what a coach and players that fit your star look like) and He honestly needed that one player on his level to keep in check early on .He did honestly look like he was giving Jaegar a legit shot though…The pelicans had A.D and Jrue thats it to think they would win alot this year is naive they need shooters and a pass first pg who can give you 8-16 ppg(Rubio maybe?) to set the table for everyone….Time will also help them develop chemistry to help them win though…

 

 

[binetParticipant]

In what world Fultz floor is CJ McCollum and his ceiling is D’Angelo Russell? D’Angelo is far from having shown nearly as much as McCollum right now. I think honestly if Fultz’s ceiling was D’Angelo he won’t be in this year’s lottery fwiw (his floor then being what: Rodrigue Beaubois? ). Nonsense.

I personally am high on Fultz and think a CJ McCollum outcome would be disappointing for a guy everybody feels his ceiling is probably between James Harden with defense and Dwyane Wade with a 3pt shot, and I would accept it as his floor though. But right now D’Angelo Rusell’s floor is lower than that (still has upside though.).

 

 

[Andv1 WaitingParticipant]

 I meant:

His floor is Like One of C.J,D.R or M.C and a Ceiling  of Harden..

He has a similar play scoring style like C.J or D.R yet looks like he runs an offense like a D.R/M.C

But if he puts it fully together he could turn into a Harden  like player..D-wade though I don’t see that one sorry he isn’t as much of a slasher as Wade and D-wade played better defense..

Also are you saying the MIP C.J is a bad ceiling…. SMH the guy is a legit second/third option on offense..

 

 

 

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