Do you think a system could be put into place where say, if you are in high school you can get drafted if you go top 5, if you are a fresh in college you have to go lottery ot return to school, and as a soph you have to go first round or return, techniquely I guess the players couldn't have agents until after but it's not like the contract is debatable, (which football and baseball severly need to change).
Your either in the draft or your out of it. I'm sick and tired of this deadline being 10 days away from when the drafts happening. Too many guys test the water just to get some feedback and NBA teams are sick of it. To motivate players next year NBA Scouts and GM's are just going to tell players you have no business playing in the NBA.
Actually that in not a bad thing but I guess for colleges and stuff, it a player that is working out for the draft comes back he is that much better to lead his team the next year. It happens all the time. i guess with college is the uncertainness of it all.
It's the economy Sheltwon. NBA franchises don't want to bring out a guy that's just "testing the waters," we have the pre draft camps for that. I think if you provide and individual work out of yourself to any nba team/scout/gm your name should be left into the draft, but that's just me.
you dont control your future really say your a high school senior you ndeclare and get drafted no. 9, however your rule then says he cant play in the NBA now I have 3 problems with this
The team who drafted him just wasted a very high draft pick on nothing
The player is at a major disadvantage as far as college recruitment im not sure the exact rules but he may have missed his deadline leaving him at JUCO
He also signed an agent probably, now he has to back out of that as well as the whole college/player/agent/money arrengement
I'm sorry stoppre1213, that just isn't feasible and will never happen.
What the NBA needs to do is get rid of that idiotic one year rule which leads to guys going to college for one year, taking Basketball 101 and 102, and then leaving for the NBA.
As for Auber's comment, next year college players will have a much shorter window of opportunity. This year the deadline is June 15th. I can't remember the exact date but next year the deadline will be somewhere around the 3rd or 4th week of May.
Personally I think the rule is fine the way it is right now. But whether you disagree with it or not, I don't think where a kid get's drafted should be taken into account. Like Auber said, you are either in or you're out.
i think the NBA should make the rule that ANY player has to complete 2 years of college before entering the Draft. im thinkin this only for higher BBall iq and to be a little more prepared for NBA ball. i think that people like Evans Mullens and all Freshmen are entering to early. but like i said this is all my opinion.
I don't think 2 years is a good idea. Guys like Mayo, Love, and Rose proved that one year of college can really help the transition from hs to the pro's because they were all more prepared then almost any hs player that has ever come out. I like 1 year because it helps smooth the transition for them and allows them learn some more of the fundamentals and gives the scouts a chance to evaluate them better then a hs kid. If a scout still can't get it right after one year removed from hs competition, then that's their own fault.
Plus, while I have no problem with making the kids wait a year since it benefits the league as a whole and the kid is allowed to play in the nbdl or overseas if they are really against college or just need money, but 2 years is really starting to infringe on their rights. And while LeBron is a rarity, it would be a major shame to make him stay 2 years.
Also I don't think the colleges would benefit that much from making the kids stay 2 years. With one year, the kid just has to enroll, show up to a few bs classes, and then could drop out as soon as the basketball season is over. It's easier for the kids to keep their nose clean and for the colleges to hide any indescrepencies that are going on in terms of grades, money, or any other rules that are being broken. You make them stay for 2 years, and I can gaurantee you that way more scandals will break out.
i see your point in it with the Scandels and what not. im just thinking it would help the players overall basketball IQ just letting them comin in a play 30 games for one year in college doesent prepare them enough for the NBA. i say make it atleast 2 years for that.
For this age limit rule for the NBA draft: I would have it go back to the original requirement of being 18 and graduated high school, but the big stipulation for these 18 year old kids would be they must stay in the NBDL for one full season with the NBA D-league affiliate, and not a professional team overseas. This way 1: These 18 year old kids are playing "minor league" professionals, seeing if they're even somewhat ready for the NBA, without being thrown into the fire as a professional. And 2: It also would still leave teams to be hesitant to draft high schoolers because they would still have to pay the players even though they are not playing for them that season. These players would probably end up in the second round, which is not ideal obviously for the high school draft picks since 2nd rounders aren't guaranteed any money once they are drafted. Players then that do not elect to take this route, but instead go to college or play professional ball elsewhere won't be draft eligible until two years after their graduating high school class. Another bonus out of this rule is that this could ultimately lead to NBA development games getting a few TV casts. Not an incredible amount, but just enough to highlight some of the hyped prospects, familiar names that may have been in and out of the league, as well potential players that had been playing in foreign leagues that had been playing in the States. So it would be approximately, more or less, the amount of high school games shown on national television. The players that had been playing overseas may elect to play back in the States with a D-league team given that they might be given TV time to showcase their skills as well as the potential better talent these prospects could bring to the league. It's just a thought that I think could happen since it appears David Stern wants to continue expanding the NBDL.
The probelm with your idea is that the whole reason the NBA initiated this one year removed from HS rule is because the GM's did'nt want to invest money and draft picks on unproven kids. They figure one year of them playing against better competition, whether that's college, nbdl, or overseas, will give them a better tool to evaluate the kids before they make a commitment. Your idea basically takes this whole thing back to square one where the GM's and the league are still unsatisfied because they are drafting highschoolers again.
I see the problem rtbt, and auber are talking about, some kind of system would have to be set to if they declare they can return to school and it would have to be early in fairness for the college teams.
Knicksfan, if the rule is in place and a team takes a high school player at 9, then yea, they wasted a pick their stupid and should know better not to pick a high schooler. They can't legally given a policy like this, and I stated that they couldn't have agents, something would have to be changed with the deadlines and ncaa regualtions in general.
It isn't entirely feasible I understand, I see why the nba doesn't want high schoolers drafted 39th and spending 3 years on the bench; and also think itsn't not fair if someone like Lebron...to do more years than necessary when someone like Duncan led his team to a championship his rookie year.
I am just searching for a middleground, in my opionion I think it's their own dumbass fault if they declare out of hs and aren't ready and end up at 25 with a high school education and already wasted all their nba money.
I can see why you're searching for a middle ground, it's a well intentioned approach but it won't work. Why? Because any time you place restrictions you're going to hurt someone. Those rules/restrictions might be good for one guy but they stop someone else from doing what he needs/wants to do. Let's allow the guys to make their own decisions without someone in the NBA deciding what's right for them. This is America, allow young men to do what they think is best and hold them accountable for those choices.
Once again, if the NBA drops this rule that almost everyone agrees is dysfunctional, we can go back to a simpler system. Without the rule I think we will see the following:
1. High School graduates will have the choice of going to college, a developmental league, Europe, or entering the draft.
2. For the most part, we will do away with those "One and Done" players, the kind of guys who have no interest whatsoever in college.
3. If another Kobe, L. James, or K. Garnett comes along, they can go right into the NBA, which is exactly what they want and need. That also means they won't lose one year of substantial income.
Doing away with the rule will not eliminate the many flaws in the so called "student athlete" system. Most intelligent people know a large percentage of ELITE athletes are semi-literate and don't belong in college. But at least it will eliminate a small number of guys who don't even want to pretend to be a student.
Unlike the men's atrocious graduation record, there were 14 female teams in the NCAA tournament with a 100% graduation rate. You may ask why? I think part of the answer is they didn't grow up thinking they would be an NBA or NFL star, so they placed an emphasis upon education. Males in the same environment envision themselves as future sports stars, so they essentially ignore education.
In sum, I think doing away with the rule is one SMALL step towards placing the emphasis back on education, or at least make it a greater possibility.
You said NBA GM's would be upset over drafting high schoolers? Nobody is making these GM's to draft high school draft picks. They choose to draft high school players on their own because they feel they're making a good investment, despite the poor ratio of straight out of high school failure to success. My rule purposely makes it less attractive for GM's to draft high school players because they are paying players that won't play for them that 1st season, but still allowing these high school kids to enter the NBA shall they choose. This essentially encourages these prospects to attend college or play professionally overseas for those two years. So for the rest of those reading this forum, if you haven't checked, see how much my rule idea appeals to ya.
I'm from the UK and there is a saying - "If you're good enough, you're old enough". Basically if kids in HS are legitimate NBA prospects then why should they be denied the chance to try it. At 18 you're an adult and capable of making adult decisions, something which the NBA has taken away from the kids. They don't even have a choice. I think Brandon Jennings could be a template of things to come. Even that young guy Jeremy Tyler is going overseas and hes only a HS Junior. I'm in favour of these guys being given the chance to go from prep-to-pros if that's what they want and a GM can offer them a roster spot.
Tac_Blues, it cannot get any simpler than simply eliminating a rule that is dysfunctional. I agree with your comments above.