[Chapelhill41Participant]

Why is he so vastly underrated on this mock draft? The guy is 6’8" 225 lbs. He’s averaging 25 pts and 7 reb, shooting 50% fg, 40% 3pt, 90% ft. I can’t remember seeing this efficient and consistent of a player offensively in college in quite some time. Correct me if I’m wrong but shouldn’t he be a lottery pick? I understand the defensive liability but I don’t understand the obsession with guys like Jerami Grant, Dario Saric, and Zach Lavine over McDermott. Doug’s been great over a 3 year span. Hope he gets the respect he should come draft night.

Neg me if you’d like but I could see a shorter version/poor man’s Dirk Nowitzki with his style of play and efficiency.

[ChewyParticipant]

 and start thinking Wally Sczerbiak. Doug will be a role player in the NBA. In what is being hyped as one of the best drafts ever, are you really going to take a sure fire role player top 10?

I love him as a 3rd scorer for a team and I think he will have a long, solid career. But I don’t see many all-star games in his future.

[ChewyParticipant]

 and start thinking Wally Sczerbiak. Doug will be a role player in the NBA. In what is being hyped as one of the best drafts ever, are you really going to take a sure fire role player top 10?

I love him as a 3rd scorer for a team and I think he will have a long, solid career. But I don’t see many all-star games in his future.

[TyroberParticipant]

 I don’t see how he isn’t a lottery pick. Dude will come in from day 1 and contribute and be a rotation player. I have him going #10 right now.

[TyroberParticipant]

 I don’t see how he isn’t a lottery pick. Dude will come in from day 1 and contribute and be a rotation player. I have him going #10 right now.

[ChewyParticipant]

averaged 16 and 5 as a Soph, 16 and 7 as a Junior and 21 and 7 as a senior. Ask Cavs fans how well that worked out taking him top 10? 

And that is exactly my point: in this draft, why would you want a "contributor" with a top 10 pick? There are so many players who have the potential to be studs or "some time all stars." I’m taking Embiid, Wiggins, Parker, Smart, Randle, Vonleh, Exum, LaVine, Harris and Hood over him easily.

Now, will one of these ten players bust? Highly likely, but they all have potential to be a number 1 option/ strong number 2 option on a team. So, I don’t know which one won’t reach his potential, but all of these guys are worth taking a chance on over Dougie Fresh.

[ChewyParticipant]

averaged 16 and 5 as a Soph, 16 and 7 as a Junior and 21 and 7 as a senior. Ask Cavs fans how well that worked out taking him top 10? 

And that is exactly my point: in this draft, why would you want a "contributor" with a top 10 pick? There are so many players who have the potential to be studs or "some time all stars." I’m taking Embiid, Wiggins, Parker, Smart, Randle, Vonleh, Exum, LaVine, Harris and Hood over him easily.

Now, will one of these ten players bust? Highly likely, but they all have potential to be a number 1 option/ strong number 2 option on a team. So, I don’t know which one won’t reach his potential, but all of these guys are worth taking a chance on over Dougie Fresh.

[Jester87Participant]

Why nobody ever mentions that injuries killed Luke Jackson chances of being an Nba player?

[Jester87Participant]

Why nobody ever mentions that injuries killed Luke Jackson chances of being an Nba player?

[MadDogParticipant]

To be an elite player in the NBA you need to be able to get to the basket and Doug just doesn’t have the body type to be able to get to the hoop and draw fouls at a consistent rate (Dirk is different because he’s so tall and can also play in the post). That being said, the guy definitely should be late lottery because he’s a surefire contributer with that shot. I see him being a 16-20 point scorer on a bad team or a 12-15 point scorer on a playoff team in his prime.

[MadDogParticipant]

To be an elite player in the NBA you need to be able to get to the basket and Doug just doesn’t have the body type to be able to get to the hoop and draw fouls at a consistent rate (Dirk is different because he’s so tall and can also play in the post). That being said, the guy definitely should be late lottery because he’s a surefire contributer with that shot. I see him being a 16-20 point scorer on a bad team or a 12-15 point scorer on a playoff team in his prime.

[Chapelhill41Participant]

Chewy, I said lottery, not top 10. I do appreciate your Luke Jackson comparison however the stats are a bit lower than McDermott in literally every category (FG%, 3PT %, FT%, PPG, RPG, MPG.) Wally was a good comparison. Let’s keep in mind that Wally was a solid contributor at the NBA level and was once an NBA All-Star. In my eyes, Grant, Lavine and Saric don’t hold near the track record that McDermott does. A smart organization will take him and benefit greatly from passing on these "potential picks." The only prospects I see of being a better pick would be (in no order : )….Parker, Wiggins, Randle, Smart, Embiid, Ennis, Exum, Harris, or Young.

[Chapelhill41Participant]

Chewy, I said lottery, not top 10. I do appreciate your Luke Jackson comparison however the stats are a bit lower than McDermott in literally every category (FG%, 3PT %, FT%, PPG, RPG, MPG.) Wally was a good comparison. Let’s keep in mind that Wally was a solid contributor at the NBA level and was once an NBA All-Star. In my eyes, Grant, Lavine and Saric don’t hold near the track record that McDermott does. A smart organization will take him and benefit greatly from passing on these "potential picks." The only prospects I see of being a better pick would be (in no order : )….Parker, Wiggins, Randle, Smart, Embiid, Ennis, Exum, Harris, or Young.

[Chapelhill41Participant]

I left out Hood by mistake as well..

[Chapelhill41Participant]

I left out Hood by mistake as well..

[The Scare Crow RisesParticipant]

I happen to think "McDougin" is one of the most talented players in this Draft Class, I don’t see a role player, I see a good starting caliber Sf or 6th man at worst…I hate the Kyle Korver comparison too, he’s not just a catch and shoot guy, he can post up and create space off the dribble, he won’t WOW anybody at the combine but he’s a strong athlete, he can work in the mid range area too, There are not a lot of flaws offensively, Defensively he’s always going to struggle against the super quick F’s in the league, but he’s a solid team Defender and rebounds well for a guy solely considered a 3 point specialist

Based on talent alone, Doug would be a Top 5 lock IMO, but in the NBA draft where most GM"s and fans covet Potential, a player like Doug McDermont won’t garner a ton of love, but guys like Lavine, Young, Grant and Exum(who nobody’s even really seen play) get more Hype/Attention than a proven player… 

As a 76er fan I’d love to have McDermont with the Pelican’s pick in the lottery, he’d be the shooter we’ve been missing for years, would help MCW and Co. spread the floor from day one…

 

 

[King CaluchaParticipant]

Wally, in his prime, averaged around 19ppg shooting 52% FG, 40% 3pt and almost 90% FT, which is pretty solid for not-the-most-athletic SF in the world. Doug is only 1 inch taller… that doesn’t seem too much to me.

Yes, McDermott is not catch and shoot only… but with his size he won’t be able to be as effective in post up situations. I really like McDermott as a stretch 4 (not too much as a 3), but one has to understand his limitations. There are some things he won’t be able to do in the pros, but he’s a hell of a player, definitely around late lotto.

[King CaluchaParticipant]

Wally, in his prime, averaged around 19ppg shooting 52% FG, 40% 3pt and almost 90% FT, which is pretty solid for not-the-most-athletic SF in the world. Doug is only 1 inch taller… that doesn’t seem too much to me.

Yes, McDermott is not catch and shoot only… but with his size he won’t be able to be as effective in post up situations. I really like McDermott as a stretch 4 (not too much as a 3), but one has to understand his limitations. There are some things he won’t be able to do in the pros, but he’s a hell of a player, definitely around late lotto.

[Jester87Participant]

What? Szczerbiak was 6’7" 244 pounds coming out of college. How can McDermott be bigger? Better? Wally has been an all star, not really a legit one in my opinion, but still a very good scorer considering he also had to deal with injuries for much of his career (and retired quite early because of that). Also Szczerbiak in his last two years in college had numbers similar to McDermott’s, if not slightly better and brought a terrible team to the sweet sixteen, if I recall correctly.

By the way, I think the comparisons with Korver, Szczerbiak and others are bad for a very specific reason, all those guys played on the perimeter in college, while McDermott’s always been a 4. If he can make the transition to the 3 without being too big of a liability on defense and showing he can run through screens on offense he can be a starter for many years. Otherwise he’s going to be a three point specialist coming from the bench.

[Jester87Participant]

What? Szczerbiak was 6’7" 244 pounds coming out of college. How can McDermott be bigger? Better? Wally has been an all star, not really a legit one in my opinion, but still a very good scorer considering he also had to deal with injuries for much of his career (and retired quite early because of that). Also Szczerbiak in his last two years in college had numbers similar to McDermott’s, if not slightly better and brought a terrible team to the sweet sixteen, if I recall correctly.

By the way, I think the comparisons with Korver, Szczerbiak and others are bad for a very specific reason, all those guys played on the perimeter in college, while McDermott’s always been a 4. If he can make the transition to the 3 without being too big of a liability on defense and showing he can run through screens on offense he can be a starter for many years. Otherwise he’s going to be a three point specialist coming from the bench.

[The Scare Crow RisesParticipant]

I happen to think "McDougin" is one of the most talented players in this Draft Class, I don’t see a role player, I see a good starting caliber Sf or 6th man at worst…I hate the Kyle Korver comparison too, he’s not just a catch and shoot guy, he can post up and create space off the dribble, he won’t WOW anybody at the combine but he’s a strong athlete, he can work in the mid range area too, There are not a lot of flaws offensively, Defensively he’s always going to struggle against the super quick F’s in the league, but he’s a solid team Defender and rebounds well for a guy solely considered a 3 point specialist

Based on talent alone, Doug would be a Top 5 lock IMO, but in the NBA draft where most GM"s and fans covet Potential, a player like Doug McDermont won’t garner a ton of love, but guys like Lavine, Young, Grant and Exum(who nobody’s even really seen play) get more Hype/Attention than a proven player… 

As a 76er fan I’d love to have McDermont with the Pelican’s pick in the lottery, he’d be the shooter we’ve been missing for years, would help MCW and Co. spread the floor from day one…

 

 

[Edmaldo62Participant]

 I absolutely love Doug, I want him on the sixers as a deadly 1st guy off the bench sniper, but I can’t see the sixers taking him at 3 or 11.  He’s already 22 and most of the other top prospects are doing their thing at the ripe old age of 18 and 19.   So there is do much more growth for these other prospects compared to Doug.  still I would love him around 18 if the sixers can trade Thad, Evan, or Spencer for the 18th or so pick.

[The Scare Crow RisesParticipant]

 That’s not a move that has any upside IMO…Thad is a heart and soul type player, Turner is almost a 20/5/5 guy this year and he has leadership qualities…

The 18th pick isn’t worth trading Thad or Turner for, I agree that maybe Hawes for the 16th-20th pick in the draft seems like a good move if we can land a guy like McDermont…That trade scenario would be fine with me…

BTW, I feel like the Pelican’s pick will be in the 12-14 range and that’s a fine spot to draft Doug McDermont, unless a better propsect drops down that far I see no issues with the 76ers taking him there…

 

[The Scare Crow RisesParticipant]

 That’s not a move that has any upside IMO…Thad is a heart and soul type player, Turner is almost a 20/5/5 guy this year and he has leadership qualities…

The 18th pick isn’t worth trading Thad or Turner for, I agree that maybe Hawes for the 16th-20th pick in the draft seems like a good move if we can land a guy like McDermont…That trade scenario would be fine with me…

BTW, I feel like the Pelican’s pick will be in the 12-14 range and that’s a fine spot to draft Doug McDermont, unless a better propsect drops down that far I see no issues with the 76ers taking him there…

 

[Edmaldo62Participant]

 I absolutely love Doug, I want him on the sixers as a deadly 1st guy off the bench sniper, but I can’t see the sixers taking him at 3 or 11.  He’s already 22 and most of the other top prospects are doing their thing at the ripe old age of 18 and 19.   So there is do much more growth for these other prospects compared to Doug.  still I would love him around 18 if the sixers can trade Thad, Evan, or Spencer for the 18th or so pick.

[hoopscopParticipant]

At the end of the day MCD will be taken in the lottery, by the way this draft is going to be the most overrated of all time. As for Turner, Mc Dermott is going to have the better career, Turner is very underwhelming, his PER, WARP and WinShares tell You one thing- replacement level player.

[hoopscopParticipant]

At the end of the day MCD will be taken in the lottery, by the way this draft is going to be the most overrated of all time. As for Turner, Mc Dermott is going to have the better career, Turner is very underwhelming, his PER, WARP and WinShares tell You one thing- replacement level player.

[Hegotgame985Participant]

 He will be a role player an a waste of a lottery pick..Not athletic and he can’t create he’s on shot..that makes him a role player

[Hegotgame985Participant]

 He will be a role player an a waste of a lottery pick..Not athletic and he can’t create he’s on shot..that makes him a role player

[PlatypusParticipant]

Doug has more of an old school flare to his game you are looking more at modern people when you need to be looking at Kiki Vandeweghe. Kiki was a 6’8 not very athletic but could score and drain the 3 ball. Youtube Kiki and tell me you dont see Doug

[King CaluchaParticipant]

If I could give a +100, I would. Great comparison!

[King CaluchaParticipant]

If I could give a +100, I would. Great comparison!

[PlatypusParticipant]

Doug has more of an old school flare to his game you are looking more at modern people when you need to be looking at Kiki Vandeweghe. Kiki was a 6’8 not very athletic but could score and drain the 3 ball. Youtube Kiki and tell me you dont see Doug

[machu46Participant]

I think Doug will be a fine player in the NBA.  It’s all about what you’re looking for.  A team that misses out on the playoffs but thinks their team has a chance to make it next year could really use him since he’ll likely be able to contribute right away.

[machu46Participant]

I think Doug will be a fine player in the NBA.  It’s all about what you’re looking for.  A team that misses out on the playoffs but thinks their team has a chance to make it next year could really use him since he’ll likely be able to contribute right away.

[vulture711Participant]

 Here’s sloth slow and although crafty enough on O, likely to struggle on D.  He’s sort of a stretch 4 in College but likely a 3 in the Pros.  Also likely never a starter whose upside is probably limited to role player IMO

[vulture711Participant]

 Here’s sloth slow and although crafty enough on O, likely to struggle on D.  He’s sort of a stretch 4 in College but likely a 3 in the Pros.  Also likely never a starter whose upside is probably limited to role player IMO

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

1 thing i like about him is that he’s been so consistent year after year and game after game….Besides being a great shooter, he’s competitive,can post up,high IQ,can put it on the floor,rebound and he has good court vision…There are concerns about his defense and athleticism…..

Some people thought he would have difficulty playing in a major conference..But he’s doing fine and appears to be the frontrunner for College Player of the Year…

Hard to say where he might be selected,but anywhere from 14 to 25 seems about right….

 

 

 

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

1 thing i like about him is that he’s been so consistent year after year and game after game….Besides being a great shooter, he’s competitive,can post up,high IQ,can put it on the floor,rebound and he has good court vision…There are concerns about his defense and athleticism…..

Some people thought he would have difficulty playing in a major conference..But he’s doing fine and appears to be the frontrunner for College Player of the Year…

Hard to say where he might be selected,but anywhere from 14 to 25 seems about right….

 

 

 

[Aran SmithKeymaster]

To the OP, a little perspective is in order here. You are barking up the wrong tree.

We have been higher on McDermott than ANYONE. He has been in the lottery for much of the season, which is higher than most scouts have had him. It’s not stretch to say we’ve gone out on a limb with how much we have liked him as a prospect. We had him at 10 on the mock early on in the season, and he is currently at 16 on the mock and 15 on the top 100 big board. How exactly is he “vastly” underrated? Is he a top 5-7 pick? Other posters have laid out his limitations. Lack of foot speed, athleticism and true position. He will be good but there are risks that will keep him from going too high. This is a very good draft and while there is a good chance McDermott will end up one of the top 10 players from this draft, there isn’t a great chance he ends up much better than that. The same can be said for Tyler Ennis who has been projected as a lottery pick for a few months and is now finally being recognized as such by the “masses”.

[Aran SmithKeymaster]

To the OP, a little perspective is in order here. You are barking up the wrong tree.

We have been higher on McDermott than ANYONE. He has been in the lottery for much of the season, which is higher than most scouts have had him. It’s not stretch to say we’ve gone out on a limb with how much we have liked him as a prospect. We had him at 10 on the mock early on in the season, and he is currently at 16 on the mock and 15 on the top 100 big board. How exactly is he “vastly” underrated? Is he a top 5-7 pick? Other posters have laid out his limitations. Lack of foot speed, athleticism and true position. He will be good but there are risks that will keep him from going too high. This is a very good draft and while there is a good chance McDermott will end up one of the top 10 players from this draft, there isn’t a great chance he ends up much better than that. The same can be said for Tyler Ennis who has been projected as a lottery pick for a few months and is now finally being recognized as such by the “masses”.

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

I think the Kyle Korver comparison is lazy.  Two white guys that can shoot the ball and play(ed) at Creighton.  That’s literally the only thing they have in common.

But McDermott’s offensive game is so much more than just stand-still sniper shooting.  He can shoot off the dribble as well as off screens, he has a very nice mid-range game that I think will serve him well in the NBA since he obviously won’t be getting to the hoop that often.

Obviously, he has defensive deficiencies but he can cause mismatch problems on the offensive end if he plays the stretch-4 and his post-up game if he plays the 3, something Korver can’t do.

He’s much more than a spot-up shooter.

[Aran SmithKeymaster]

Tongue out – you are right, Korver is a bad comparison. McDermott is a difficult player to make a comparison for because his role in the NBA will likely be much different than his role in college. He will retain the post skills, but how much he will be able to utilize them at his size and athleticism is a question mark. He may become much more of a shooting specialist than he currently is. Obviously the all around skill level is helpful, but his true elite skill is shooting. To compare him to Dirk (even though their skillsets are more similar than Korvers) is probably not very accurate because at 6’8 he won’t be able to get shots off on 4s and 5s the way Dirk can. You should offer a comparison since you are saying the current one is lazy. How about Tracy Murray? Bigtime shooter, decent athlete, solid 10 year career at 9 ppg with a best 16 ppg season, McDermott would do just fine with that type of career. Didn’t have post game in college like McD, but similar stats, dimensions and probably has similar type of pro career. Suggestions???

[lakeshow22Participant]

Aran Smith if Doug McDermott is taken in the top 10 let alone the lottery than he should be able to start right away in the NBA. How exactly can he start at Small forward? How will he match up with the Durants, Paul George, Batum, Gay, Leonard and guys like that? How Will he score unless he’s open for 3? I’m not saying he’s not a lottery pick but his weakness are glaring.

[lakeshow22Participant]

Aran Smith if Doug McDermott is taken in the top 10 let alone the lottery than he should be able to start right away in the NBA. How exactly can he start at Small forward? How will he match up with the Durants, Paul George, Batum, Gay, Leonard and guys like that? How Will he score unless he’s open for 3? I’m not saying he’s not a lottery pick but his weakness are glaring.

[Jester87Participant]

Actually I had thought about that, though Murray was probably better creating off the dribble. One guy I’ve always thought of is Jared Dudley, he was mostly a 4 in college and then developed is perimeter game When he came in the Nba there were questions about his ability to make the transition to the small forward position especially on D. Obviously back then he wasn’t even close to the shooter McDermott has always been, but he has constantly improved his jumper and found a niche as a shooting specialist. Also, while he’s not the most athletic player, he’s been able to become a decent defender due to his IQ and his ability as a team defender.

[Jester87Participant]

Actually I had thought about that, though Murray was probably better creating off the dribble. One guy I’ve always thought of is Jared Dudley, he was mostly a 4 in college and then developed is perimeter game When he came in the Nba there were questions about his ability to make the transition to the small forward position especially on D. Obviously back then he wasn’t even close to the shooter McDermott has always been, but he has constantly improved his jumper and found a niche as a shooting specialist. Also, while he’s not the most athletic player, he’s been able to become a decent defender due to his IQ and his ability as a team defender.

[Aran SmithKeymaster]

Tongue out – you are right, Korver is a bad comparison. McDermott is a difficult player to make a comparison for because his role in the NBA will likely be much different than his role in college. He will retain the post skills, but how much he will be able to utilize them at his size and athleticism is a question mark. He may become much more of a shooting specialist than he currently is. Obviously the all around skill level is helpful, but his true elite skill is shooting. To compare him to Dirk (even though their skillsets are more similar than Korvers) is probably not very accurate because at 6’8 he won’t be able to get shots off on 4s and 5s the way Dirk can. You should offer a comparison since you are saying the current one is lazy. How about Tracy Murray? Bigtime shooter, decent athlete, solid 10 year career at 9 ppg with a best 16 ppg season, McDermott would do just fine with that type of career. Didn’t have post game in college like McD, but similar stats, dimensions and probably has similar type of pro career. Suggestions???

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

I think the Kyle Korver comparison is lazy.  Two white guys that can shoot the ball and play(ed) at Creighton.  That’s literally the only thing they have in common.

But McDermott’s offensive game is so much more than just stand-still sniper shooting.  He can shoot off the dribble as well as off screens, he has a very nice mid-range game that I think will serve him well in the NBA since he obviously won’t be getting to the hoop that often.

Obviously, he has defensive deficiencies but he can cause mismatch problems on the offensive end if he plays the stretch-4 and his post-up game if he plays the 3, something Korver can’t do.

He’s much more than a spot-up shooter.

[JoeWolf1]

 I’ve always likened his game to Matt Harpring. No, McDermott is not as strong, but he had that gritty, blue collar streak, with the ability to face up and use his great shot. Matt was also a big player at the top of the key and pick and pop situations. I can see Doug being used like that in the league.

 

 

 

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[GrandmamaParticipant]

 Eh, I don’t really like the Harpring comparison.  Harpring was more of a gritty, strong, bullish type player.  He was a good defender, and was only OK offensively.

 

McDermott is more skilled offensively, and definitely not the defender Harp was.

 

 

[The Scare Crow RisesParticipant]

What about Mike Miller or Chuck Person or Glen Robinson???

[The Scare Crow RisesParticipant]

What about Mike Miller or Chuck Person or Glen Robinson???

[GrandmamaParticipant]

 Eh, I don’t really like the Harpring comparison.  Harpring was more of a gritty, strong, bullish type player.  He was a good defender, and was only OK offensively.

 

McDermott is more skilled offensively, and definitely not the defender Harp was.

 

 

[JoeWolf1]

 I’ve always likened his game to Matt Harpring. No, McDermott is not as strong, but he had that gritty, blue collar streak, with the ability to face up and use his great shot. Matt was also a big player at the top of the key and pick and pop situations. I can see Doug being used like that in the league.

 

 

 

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[runBruceParticipant]

 Korver

[runBruceParticipant]

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