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  • #23397
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    Prior to the season, I was debating with several guys who were so adamant that the Heat would win 70 plus games. They ridiculed people like me who disagreed with them saying we didn’t undersand basketball. Where are they now?

    I predicted a good season for Miami, which would result in probably 60 to 62 wins.  However,  I’ve been around basketball long enough to understand the importance of Team Chemistry and having one guy run the show on offense.

    Before anyone comes up with that old Dwayne Wade and LeBron are unselfish argument, you’re right, but that isn’t the issue. Both guys always took over for their teams late in the 4th quarter when the game was on the line. When Wade and LeBron are both in the same lineup who’s going to be the man at the end of the game?  I still believe that’s a big problem that may or may never be resolved.

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  • #441967
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    Not this season with Haslem out, Miller injured and chemistry issues. Definitely achievable down the track, but not right now.

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  • #441973
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    Not this season with Haslem out, Miller injured and chemistry issues. Definitely achievable down the track, but not right now.

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  • #441987
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    Not this season with Haslem out, Miller injured and chemistry issues. Definitely achievable down the track, but not right now.

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  • #441971
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     The problem is no big man and not enough rebounding Zach Randolph had the same number of offensive boards as their entire team.  They’re too small and any team with size will have a good chance

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     The problem is no big man and not enough rebounding Zach Randolph had the same number of offensive boards as their entire team.  They’re too small and any team with size will have a good chance

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  • #441990
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     The problem is no big man and not enough rebounding Zach Randolph had the same number of offensive boards as their entire team.  They’re too small and any team with size will have a good chance

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  • #441974
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    Obviously there are other problems as described by the posts above. However, prior to the season it was the prevailing belief of many that the combined talents of the big three was so powerful they would overcome those flaws in the team make up.

    I don’t respect Jeff Van Gundy and will remind everyone that he predicted Miami would run away with their Division and only lose a handful of games. As usual, I completely disagreed with him.

    Once again, I truly believe team chemistry and the team leadership issue I described in an earlier post will be the key. I’m not saying they cannot over that issue, but it won’t happen overnight and it may never happen.

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  • #441979
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    Obviously there are other problems as described by the posts above. However, prior to the season it was the prevailing belief of many that the combined talents of the big three was so powerful they would overcome those flaws in the team make up.

    I don’t respect Jeff Van Gundy and will remind everyone that he predicted Miami would run away with their Division and only lose a handful of games. As usual, I completely disagreed with him.

    Once again, I truly believe team chemistry and the team leadership issue I described in an earlier post will be the key. I’m not saying they cannot over that issue, but it won’t happen overnight and it may never happen.

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  • #441993
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    Obviously there are other problems as described by the posts above. However, prior to the season it was the prevailing belief of many that the combined talents of the big three was so powerful they would overcome those flaws in the team make up.

    I don’t respect Jeff Van Gundy and will remind everyone that he predicted Miami would run away with their Division and only lose a handful of games. As usual, I completely disagreed with him.

    Once again, I truly believe team chemistry and the team leadership issue I described in an earlier post will be the key. I’m not saying they cannot over that issue, but it won’t happen overnight and it may never happen.

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  • #441980
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     I agree with you completely rtbt. 70 games is possible, but it won’t happen until they find who they should go to down the stretch. No wonder why they have lost to teams like the Celtics, Jazz, Hornets, and Grizz. If they would have known who to go to down the stretch they probably could have beaten the Jazz, the Grizz, and maybe even the Hornets. This is one reason why I felt that Lebron should never have come to Miami. Yes, him Dwade and Bosh would be great and would be quite a show to watch, no doubt about the that. But I’m about shows, I’m more about great team play, chemistry, who’s the man on the team. Miami was Dwade’s team, now I don’t know whose it is. Lebron is good enough that he deserves to have his own team, that is why I was hoping he would stay with Cleveland or go to Chicago. Guess it wasn’t meant to be.

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  • #441986
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     I agree with you completely rtbt. 70 games is possible, but it won’t happen until they find who they should go to down the stretch. No wonder why they have lost to teams like the Celtics, Jazz, Hornets, and Grizz. If they would have known who to go to down the stretch they probably could have beaten the Jazz, the Grizz, and maybe even the Hornets. This is one reason why I felt that Lebron should never have come to Miami. Yes, him Dwade and Bosh would be great and would be quite a show to watch, no doubt about the that. But I’m about shows, I’m more about great team play, chemistry, who’s the man on the team. Miami was Dwade’s team, now I don’t know whose it is. Lebron is good enough that he deserves to have his own team, that is why I was hoping he would stay with Cleveland or go to Chicago. Guess it wasn’t meant to be.

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  • #441999
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     I agree with you completely rtbt. 70 games is possible, but it won’t happen until they find who they should go to down the stretch. No wonder why they have lost to teams like the Celtics, Jazz, Hornets, and Grizz. If they would have known who to go to down the stretch they probably could have beaten the Jazz, the Grizz, and maybe even the Hornets. This is one reason why I felt that Lebron should never have come to Miami. Yes, him Dwade and Bosh would be great and would be quite a show to watch, no doubt about the that. But I’m about shows, I’m more about great team play, chemistry, who’s the man on the team. Miami was Dwade’s team, now I don’t know whose it is. Lebron is good enough that he deserves to have his own team, that is why I was hoping he would stay with Cleveland or go to Chicago. Guess it wasn’t meant to be.

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  • #441995
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    Miami is a mess. Lebron, Wade, and Bosh are great, but just not great with each other. When they played for the USA team they had one common goal beat the world.  Coach K is a great coach and he got those guys to buy into a system that would help them win the gold.  Erik Spoelstra on the other hand is a joke of a coach and he is pretty much Pat Rileys scapegoat to come back and coach the Heat. Bosh is lost in the offense, Wade is starting to look a little disgruntle and Lebron is worried about trying to play the villian. They will win a bunch of games but never 70.  

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  • #442000
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    Miami is a mess. Lebron, Wade, and Bosh are great, but just not great with each other. When they played for the USA team they had one common goal beat the world.  Coach K is a great coach and he got those guys to buy into a system that would help them win the gold.  Erik Spoelstra on the other hand is a joke of a coach and he is pretty much Pat Rileys scapegoat to come back and coach the Heat. Bosh is lost in the offense, Wade is starting to look a little disgruntle and Lebron is worried about trying to play the villian. They will win a bunch of games but never 70.  

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  • #442014
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    Miami is a mess. Lebron, Wade, and Bosh are great, but just not great with each other. When they played for the USA team they had one common goal beat the world.  Coach K is a great coach and he got those guys to buy into a system that would help them win the gold.  Erik Spoelstra on the other hand is a joke of a coach and he is pretty much Pat Rileys scapegoat to come back and coach the Heat. Bosh is lost in the offense, Wade is starting to look a little disgruntle and Lebron is worried about trying to play the villian. They will win a bunch of games but never 70.  

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  • #441998
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    dwilljazz8, I couldn’t agree more with your comment above. Miami was Dwayne Wade’s team and deservedly so. Obviously that’s no longer the case. As a result of that change in team chemistry, it brings up the issue I raised in the first post of this thread. Who will be the man down the stretch when the game is on the line for the Heat?

    They may eventually resolve this issue but I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s never resolved. If that happens, the big three experiment may prove to be a failure. That doesn’t mean they won’t win a lot of games because they will. However, they may never rise to the level of a championship calibler squad.

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  • #442003
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    dwilljazz8, I couldn’t agree more with your comment above. Miami was Dwayne Wade’s team and deservedly so. Obviously that’s no longer the case. As a result of that change in team chemistry, it brings up the issue I raised in the first post of this thread. Who will be the man down the stretch when the game is on the line for the Heat?

    They may eventually resolve this issue but I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s never resolved. If that happens, the big three experiment may prove to be a failure. That doesn’t mean they won’t win a lot of games because they will. However, they may never rise to the level of a championship calibler squad.

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  • #442017
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    dwilljazz8, I couldn’t agree more with your comment above. Miami was Dwayne Wade’s team and deservedly so. Obviously that’s no longer the case. As a result of that change in team chemistry, it brings up the issue I raised in the first post of this thread. Who will be the man down the stretch when the game is on the line for the Heat?

    They may eventually resolve this issue but I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s never resolved. If that happens, the big three experiment may prove to be a failure. That doesn’t mean they won’t win a lot of games because they will. However, they may never rise to the level of a championship calibler squad.

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  • #442001
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    Bosh, Wade, and LeBron don’t know their roles on their team. Once they actually get a clear, defined idea of what they need to do to be a good team, they’ll start winning more games instead of winning on talent alone.

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  • #442006
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    Bosh, Wade, and LeBron don’t know their roles on their team. Once they actually get a clear, defined idea of what they need to do to be a good team, they’ll start winning more games instead of winning on talent alone.

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  • #442020
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    Bosh, Wade, and LeBron don’t know their roles on their team. Once they actually get a clear, defined idea of what they need to do to be a good team, they’ll start winning more games instead of winning on talent alone.

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  • #442037
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    The reason the big three in Boston worked the first year was because they were all seasoned veterans and past their glory days. They had no problems giving up their big numbers for the overall of the team. With Miami it’s three guys still very much in the prime of their careers, they have a much larger learning curve on sharing and compatability amongst eachother.

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  • #442042
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    The reason the big three in Boston worked the first year was because they were all seasoned veterans and past their glory days. They had no problems giving up their big numbers for the overall of the team. With Miami it’s three guys still very much in the prime of their careers, they have a much larger learning curve on sharing and compatability amongst eachother.

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  • #442056
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    The reason the big three in Boston worked the first year was because they were all seasoned veterans and past their glory days. They had no problems giving up their big numbers for the overall of the team. With Miami it’s three guys still very much in the prime of their careers, they have a much larger learning curve on sharing and compatability amongst eachother.

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  • #442051
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     Have yall seen them play?  Sure the chemistry will get better, but the biggest concern I’ve seen out of the team is their inability to control the paint, teams with solid big men are constantly getting second chance points and scoring in the paint.  The Heat are mostly a jumpshooting team and havent been able to get many easy points close to the basket.  Again this reverts back to them not having a solid post man at C or PF, when they get that this team will be scary good

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  • #442059
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     Have yall seen them play?  Sure the chemistry will get better, but the biggest concern I’ve seen out of the team is their inability to control the paint, teams with solid big men are constantly getting second chance points and scoring in the paint.  The Heat are mostly a jumpshooting team and havent been able to get many easy points close to the basket.  Again this reverts back to them not having a solid post man at C or PF, when they get that this team will be scary good

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  • #442070
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     Have yall seen them play?  Sure the chemistry will get better, but the biggest concern I’ve seen out of the team is their inability to control the paint, teams with solid big men are constantly getting second chance points and scoring in the paint.  The Heat are mostly a jumpshooting team and havent been able to get many easy points close to the basket.  Again this reverts back to them not having a solid post man at C or PF, when they get that this team will be scary good

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  • #442054
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    Please tell us how and where they’ll find a good big man? One of the big negatives of Riley’s strategy of paying so much money for the big three, there’s very little left over for their teammates. So unless Miami finds a an outsanding big man who wants to get paid next to nothing for his immense talent, I wouldn’t expect that to happen any time soon.

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  • #442062
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    Please tell us how and where they’ll find a good big man? One of the big negatives of Riley’s strategy of paying so much money for the big three, there’s very little left over for their teammates. So unless Miami finds a an outsanding big man who wants to get paid next to nothing for his immense talent, I wouldn’t expect that to happen any time soon.

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  • #442073
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    Please tell us how and where they’ll find a good big man? One of the big negatives of Riley’s strategy of paying so much money for the big three, there’s very little left over for their teammates. So unless Miami finds a an outsanding big man who wants to get paid next to nothing for his immense talent, I wouldn’t expect that to happen any time soon.

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  • #442060
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     They don’t need someone outstanding just someone who can defend and rebound, dampier would be a good pick up and I don’t know why dexter pittman does not get any minutes I saw him at texas and in limited minutes he was able to score, rebound and is a big body that will stay in the paint and allow Chris Bosh to play his natural 4 PF position and not worry about scoring inside

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  • #442068
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     They don’t need someone outstanding just someone who can defend and rebound, dampier would be a good pick up and I don’t know why dexter pittman does not get any minutes I saw him at texas and in limited minutes he was able to score, rebound and is a big body that will stay in the paint and allow Chris Bosh to play his natural 4 PF position and not worry about scoring inside

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  • #442079
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     They don’t need someone outstanding just someone who can defend and rebound, dampier would be a good pick up and I don’t know why dexter pittman does not get any minutes I saw him at texas and in limited minutes he was able to score, rebound and is a big body that will stay in the paint and allow Chris Bosh to play his natural 4 PF position and not worry about scoring inside

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  • #442066
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    There are good reasons why nobody wants Dampier. As for Dexter Pittman, I think there are also good reasons why he doesn’t play.

    But let’s assume for a moment that Miami find a decent center who will play for next to nothing. Will that resolve the chemstry isssues I described throughout this thread?

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  • #442074
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    There are good reasons why nobody wants Dampier. As for Dexter Pittman, I think there are also good reasons why he doesn’t play.

    But let’s assume for a moment that Miami find a decent center who will play for next to nothing. Will that resolve the chemstry isssues I described throughout this thread?

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  • #442085
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    There are good reasons why nobody wants Dampier. As for Dexter Pittman, I think there are also good reasons why he doesn’t play.

    But let’s assume for a moment that Miami find a decent center who will play for next to nothing. Will that resolve the chemstry isssues I described throughout this thread?

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  • #442072
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     Chemistry is built when teams play together over an extended period.  Boston’s big three had all of training camp, the preseason and Doc Rivers had the team go on a trip somewhere to develop that chemistry even further before the season started.  Miami’s big three have not had that kind of togetherness for an extended period of time that’s why I feel they don’t have that chemistry yet

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     Chemistry is built when teams play together over an extended period.  Boston’s big three had all of training camp, the preseason and Doc Rivers had the team go on a trip somewhere to develop that chemistry even further before the season started.  Miami’s big three have not had that kind of togetherness for an extended period of time that’s why I feel they don’t have that chemistry yet

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  • #442091
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     Chemistry is built when teams play together over an extended period.  Boston’s big three had all of training camp, the preseason and Doc Rivers had the team go on a trip somewhere to develop that chemistry even further before the season started.  Miami’s big three have not had that kind of togetherness for an extended period of time that’s why I feel they don’t have that chemistry yet

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  • #442078
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    The Boston big three was different. You had a shooter in Ray Allen. A scorer/driver/midrange player in Paul p and a big man in k.g who works hard and plays defense. It was a perfect fit.  Lebron and wades games are very similar and bosh is a bad defender. Eventually. I expect it to work out.  It’s weird that some people on here are very critical of the heat but the same people are in other post saying ” calm down it’s only 13 games or too early to tell”. So which is it. Too early to tell or start judging now??

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    The Boston big three was different. You had a shooter in Ray Allen. A scorer/driver/midrange player in Paul p and a big man in k.g who works hard and plays defense. It was a perfect fit.  Lebron and wades games are very similar and bosh is a bad defender. Eventually. I expect it to work out.  It’s weird that some people on here are very critical of the heat but the same people are in other post saying ” calm down it’s only 13 games or too early to tell”. So which is it. Too early to tell or start judging now??

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  • #442097
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    The Boston big three was different. You had a shooter in Ray Allen. A scorer/driver/midrange player in Paul p and a big man in k.g who works hard and plays defense. It was a perfect fit.  Lebron and wades games are very similar and bosh is a bad defender. Eventually. I expect it to work out.  It’s weird that some people on here are very critical of the heat but the same people are in other post saying ” calm down it’s only 13 games or too early to tell”. So which is it. Too early to tell or start judging now??

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  • #442120
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    i have to agree with stanfordhoops on why the celtics big 3 were so succsessful right away….

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    i have to agree with stanfordhoops on why the celtics big 3 were so succsessful right away….

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    i have to agree with stanfordhoops on why the celtics big 3 were so succsessful right away….

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  • #442123
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    I said all along that they would not win 70 or be close their first year because he takes awhile for a team to come together and Heat does not have a full team in that sense because they need help at pg which could be worked out if Lebron plays like a point and they go with a bigger line up with Wade guarding the point and Miller or someone being the 2 guard role on D.  They have no starting Center.  If they sign Dampier this will help but still they need to learn to play with each other and they need a stronger bench.  Next year they could possibly win 70 game if they can add the right piece with the mid level exception depending on lock out status.  Lakers could win close to 70 if they stay on their current pace.  I am also not a fan of Jeff Van Gundy and he may know X’s and O’s but their is a reason he is not a basketball coach anymore.

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    I said all along that they would not win 70 or be close their first year because he takes awhile for a team to come together and Heat does not have a full team in that sense because they need help at pg which could be worked out if Lebron plays like a point and they go with a bigger line up with Wade guarding the point and Miller or someone being the 2 guard role on D.  They have no starting Center.  If they sign Dampier this will help but still they need to learn to play with each other and they need a stronger bench.  Next year they could possibly win 70 game if they can add the right piece with the mid level exception depending on lock out status.  Lakers could win close to 70 if they stay on their current pace.  I am also not a fan of Jeff Van Gundy and he may know X’s and O’s but their is a reason he is not a basketball coach anymore.

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    I said all along that they would not win 70 or be close their first year because he takes awhile for a team to come together and Heat does not have a full team in that sense because they need help at pg which could be worked out if Lebron plays like a point and they go with a bigger line up with Wade guarding the point and Miller or someone being the 2 guard role on D.  They have no starting Center.  If they sign Dampier this will help but still they need to learn to play with each other and they need a stronger bench.  Next year they could possibly win 70 game if they can add the right piece with the mid level exception depending on lock out status.  Lakers could win close to 70 if they stay on their current pace.  I am also not a fan of Jeff Van Gundy and he may know X’s and O’s but their is a reason he is not a basketball coach anymore.

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  • #442114
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    andxxx said chemstry develops over an extended period of time and I agree with that statement. However I also wonder if the kind of chemistry he expects will ever happen in Miami. When Wade and LeBron are both in the same lineup who’s going to be the man at the end of the game? I still believe that’s a big problem that may or may never be resolved.

    For those of you who don’t read carefully, let me remind you I’m not saying the above will never be resolved.  I’m saying I wouldn’t be surprised if it never happens because I think Wade and LeBron aren’t complimentary players to each other. Each one is fantastic team leader and I think one per team is more than enough

    And let’s not forget Bosch. Where and how does he fit into the equation? This is a team chemistry issue that is very complex.

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  • #442121
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    andxxx said chemstry develops over an extended period of time and I agree with that statement. However I also wonder if the kind of chemistry he expects will ever happen in Miami. When Wade and LeBron are both in the same lineup who’s going to be the man at the end of the game? I still believe that’s a big problem that may or may never be resolved.

    For those of you who don’t read carefully, let me remind you I’m not saying the above will never be resolved.  I’m saying I wouldn’t be surprised if it never happens because I think Wade and LeBron aren’t complimentary players to each other. Each one is fantastic team leader and I think one per team is more than enough

    And let’s not forget Bosch. Where and how does he fit into the equation? This is a team chemistry issue that is very complex.

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  • #442133
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    andxxx said chemstry develops over an extended period of time and I agree with that statement. However I also wonder if the kind of chemistry he expects will ever happen in Miami. When Wade and LeBron are both in the same lineup who’s going to be the man at the end of the game? I still believe that’s a big problem that may or may never be resolved.

    For those of you who don’t read carefully, let me remind you I’m not saying the above will never be resolved.  I’m saying I wouldn’t be surprised if it never happens because I think Wade and LeBron aren’t complimentary players to each other. Each one is fantastic team leader and I think one per team is more than enough

    And let’s not forget Bosch. Where and how does he fit into the equation? This is a team chemistry issue that is very complex.

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  • #442155
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    sheltwon3 said, " I am also not a fan of Jeff Van Gundy and he may know X’s and O’s but their is a reason he is not a basketball coach anymore."

    sheltwon nailed it! Do you ever listen to what he says as a color man? Mark Jackson almost always says something intelligent and then Jeff Van Gundy will follow that up with comments that are idiotic and illogical. He actually said Miami should go undefeated this year.

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    sheltwon3 said, " I am also not a fan of Jeff Van Gundy and he may know X’s and O’s but their is a reason he is not a basketball coach anymore."

    sheltwon nailed it! Do you ever listen to what he says as a color man? Mark Jackson almost always says something intelligent and then Jeff Van Gundy will follow that up with comments that are idiotic and illogical. He actually said Miami should go undefeated this year.

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    sheltwon3 said, " I am also not a fan of Jeff Van Gundy and he may know X’s and O’s but their is a reason he is not a basketball coach anymore."

    sheltwon nailed it! Do you ever listen to what he says as a color man? Mark Jackson almost always says something intelligent and then Jeff Van Gundy will follow that up with comments that are idiotic and illogical. He actually said Miami should go undefeated this year.

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  • #442161
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    I believe they need to run a pick and role with James setting the pick for Wade, thats just me because that can give a ton of points, Wade can break to the hole and the help D has to come over

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    I believe they need to run a pick and role with James setting the pick for Wade, thats just me because that can give a ton of points, Wade can break to the hole and the help D has to come over

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    I believe they need to run a pick and role with James setting the pick for Wade, thats just me because that can give a ton of points, Wade can break to the hole and the help D has to come over

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    I think by their 3rd or 4th year together they should be able to. Each year they will add another quality piece using their mid level exception. Just like the Lakers and Celtics. Why do you think their teams are getting better as the years go by?

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    I think by their 3rd or 4th year together they should be able to. Each year they will add another quality piece using their mid level exception. Just like the Lakers and Celtics. Why do you think their teams are getting better as the years go by?

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  • #442190
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    I think by their 3rd or 4th year together they should be able to. Each year they will add another quality piece using their mid level exception. Just like the Lakers and Celtics. Why do you think their teams are getting better as the years go by?

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  • #442177
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    Plus this year is more of a chemistry year, and I’m pretty sure everyone in the L knows it. The championship should be another Laker/Celtic one. Possibly even better than last years.

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  • #442181
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    Plus this year is more of a chemistry year, and I’m pretty sure everyone in the L knows it. The championship should be another Laker/Celtic one. Possibly even better than last years.

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  • #442193
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    Plus this year is more of a chemistry year, and I’m pretty sure everyone in the L knows it. The championship should be another Laker/Celtic one. Possibly even better than last years.

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  • #442179
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    70 wins ha 60 is a pipe dream, w/out Haslem & Miller they have no bench.

    The lone win over a legit team was beating the Magic.

    Still early but no way do the Lakers win 70 they’d have to continue at this pace to win 70 and they haven’t faced an elite team yet.  Don’t forget the league’s bottom teams we thought would be horrible aren’t.

    Look at the Twolves, Nets, Wizards and Warriors all look better this year.

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  • #442184
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    70 wins ha 60 is a pipe dream, w/out Haslem & Miller they have no bench.

    The lone win over a legit team was beating the Magic.

    Still early but no way do the Lakers win 70 they’d have to continue at this pace to win 70 and they haven’t faced an elite team yet.  Don’t forget the league’s bottom teams we thought would be horrible aren’t.

    Look at the Twolves, Nets, Wizards and Warriors all look better this year.

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  • #442195
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    70 wins ha 60 is a pipe dream, w/out Haslem & Miller they have no bench.

    The lone win over a legit team was beating the Magic.

    Still early but no way do the Lakers win 70 they’d have to continue at this pace to win 70 and they haven’t faced an elite team yet.  Don’t forget the league’s bottom teams we thought would be horrible aren’t.

    Look at the Twolves, Nets, Wizards and Warriors all look better this year.

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  • #442226
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     Agreed rtbt, I had a similar prediction of win totals in the low 60’s for this year.

    People always cite the almost immediate success of the Boston big 3, and think that Miami can duplicate that, but it’s extremely obvious, at least to me the difference in the point guard and center positions.

    Upon assembling the big 3 Boston had a young point guard with great length who could play very good defense and the ability to spread the ball without needing a lot of shots for himself along with a near un movable center who was one of the up and coming young post defenders in the league.  Rondo and Perkins were not the players they are today in 08′ but they were still leagues better than Carlos Arroyo and Joel Anthony and younger to boot.  

    I don’t think Miami will attain the chemistry they need to be a dominant team until they can actually feild a starting 5 that can start for almost any team in the league.  I’m sorry but 2 super stars an All-Star and 2 players that wouldn’t start on a single other NBA team is still a pretty average 1st unit. IMO

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  • #442227
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    JoeWolf1

     Agreed rtbt, I had a similar prediction of win totals in the low 60’s for this year.

    People always cite the almost immediate success of the Boston big 3, and think that Miami can duplicate that, but it’s extremely obvious, at least to me the difference in the point guard and center positions.

    Upon assembling the big 3 Boston had a young point guard with great length who could play very good defense and the ability to spread the ball without needing a lot of shots for himself along with a near un movable center who was one of the up and coming young post defenders in the league.  Rondo and Perkins were not the players they are today in 08′ but they were still leagues better than Carlos Arroyo and Joel Anthony and younger to boot.  

    I don’t think Miami will attain the chemistry they need to be a dominant team until they can actually feild a starting 5 that can start for almost any team in the league.  I’m sorry but 2 super stars an All-Star and 2 players that wouldn’t start on a single other NBA team is still a pretty average 1st unit. IMO

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  • #442240
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    JoeWolf1

     Agreed rtbt, I had a similar prediction of win totals in the low 60’s for this year.

    People always cite the almost immediate success of the Boston big 3, and think that Miami can duplicate that, but it’s extremely obvious, at least to me the difference in the point guard and center positions.

    Upon assembling the big 3 Boston had a young point guard with great length who could play very good defense and the ability to spread the ball without needing a lot of shots for himself along with a near un movable center who was one of the up and coming young post defenders in the league.  Rondo and Perkins were not the players they are today in 08′ but they were still leagues better than Carlos Arroyo and Joel Anthony and younger to boot.  

    I don’t think Miami will attain the chemistry they need to be a dominant team until they can actually feild a starting 5 that can start for almost any team in the league.  I’m sorry but 2 super stars an All-Star and 2 players that wouldn’t start on a single other NBA team is still a pretty average 1st unit. IMO

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  • #442245
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    JoeWolf1

     Agreed rtbt, I had a similar prediction of win totals in the low 60’s for this year.

    People always cite the almost immediate success of the Boston big 3, and think that Miami can duplicate that, but it’s extremely obvious, at least to me the difference in the point guard and center positions.

    Upon assembling the big 3 Boston had a young point guard with great length who could play very good defense and the ability to spread the ball without needing a lot of shots for himself along with a near un movable center who was one of the up and coming young post defenders in the league.  Rondo and Perkins were not the players they are today in 08′ but they were still leagues better than Carlos Arroyo and Joel Anthony and younger to boot.  

    I don’t think Miami will attain the chemistry they need to be a dominant team until they can actually feild a starting 5 that can start for almost any team in the league.  I’m sorry but 2 super stars an All-Star and 2 players that wouldn’t start on a single other NBA team is still a pretty average 1st unit. IMO

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  • #442289
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    rtbt
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    Joe, I agree with everything you said. Somewhere in that post you touched upon one of my other points that almost everyone seems to be ignoring. Championship caliber teams need quality role players to fit in with their superstars.

    Pat Riley made a calcuated decision to spend all of the team’s money on 3 guys, believing they were so talented that they could make up for mediocre teammates. As a result of that strategy, they don’t have money to spend on anyone else. Unless Miami is fortunate enought to find playes who agree to be paid minimum salaries, one has to wonder why any quality role players would  join the Heat?

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  • #442303
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    rtbt
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    Joe, I agree with everything you said. Somewhere in that post you touched upon one of my other points that almost everyone seems to be ignoring. Championship caliber teams need quality role players to fit in with their superstars.

    Pat Riley made a calcuated decision to spend all of the team’s money on 3 guys, believing they were so talented that they could make up for mediocre teammates. As a result of that strategy, they don’t have money to spend on anyone else. Unless Miami is fortunate enought to find playes who agree to be paid minimum salaries, one has to wonder why any quality role players would  join the Heat?

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  • #442307
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    rtbt
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    Joe, I agree with everything you said. Somewhere in that post you touched upon one of my other points that almost everyone seems to be ignoring. Championship caliber teams need quality role players to fit in with their superstars.

    Pat Riley made a calcuated decision to spend all of the team’s money on 3 guys, believing they were so talented that they could make up for mediocre teammates. As a result of that strategy, they don’t have money to spend on anyone else. Unless Miami is fortunate enought to find playes who agree to be paid minimum salaries, one has to wonder why any quality role players would  join the Heat?

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  • #442370
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    The Heat aren’t that good…

    Their frontcourt is weak. They have no low post scoring and they’re weak defensively. Haslem, their toughest frontcourt player, is about to miss some time. Bosh isn’t a defender, nor is he tough physically or mentally.

    LeBron and Wade are great individually, but they both have identical skill sets… Which means that when one is doing his thing, the other is usually just standing around and watching. And even when they both go off, it’s just like they’re going off individually and not together. It’s like they just take turns and get out of the other’s way. The Heat’s big three don’t compliment each other that well, which is why you just can’t compare them to Pierce, Allen and KG.

    I don’t like this team right now… I don’t like the supporting cast and I don’t like how the stars mesh together.

     

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  • #442372
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    The Heat aren’t that good…

    Their frontcourt is weak. They have no low post scoring and they’re weak defensively. Haslem, their toughest frontcourt player, is about to miss some time. Bosh isn’t a defender, nor is he tough physically or mentally.

    LeBron and Wade are great individually, but they both have identical skill sets… Which means that when one is doing his thing, the other is usually just standing around and watching. And even when they both go off, it’s just like they’re going off individually and not together. It’s like they just take turns and get out of the other’s way. The Heat’s big three don’t compliment each other that well, which is why you just can’t compare them to Pierce, Allen and KG.

    I don’t like this team right now… I don’t like the supporting cast and I don’t like how the stars mesh together.

     

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  • #442356
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    IndianaBasketball
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    The Heat aren’t that good…

    Their frontcourt is weak. They have no low post scoring and they’re weak defensively. Haslem, their toughest frontcourt player, is about to miss some time. Bosh isn’t a defender, nor is he tough physically or mentally.

    LeBron and Wade are great individually, but they both have identical skill sets… Which means that when one is doing his thing, the other is usually just standing around and watching. And even when they both go off, it’s just like they’re going off individually and not together. It’s like they just take turns and get out of the other’s way. The Heat’s big three don’t compliment each other that well, which is why you just can’t compare them to Pierce, Allen and KG.

    I don’t like this team right now… I don’t like the supporting cast and I don’t like how the stars mesh together.

     

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  • #442655
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    rtbt
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    Good post Indiana. Do you agree with me that Riley made a major mistake by investing so much money in 3 players, leaving very little for anyone else?

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  • #442660
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    rtbt
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    Good post Indiana. Do you agree with me that Riley made a major mistake by investing so much money in 3 players, leaving very little for anyone else?

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  • #442668
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    rtbt
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    Good post Indiana. Do you agree with me that Riley made a major mistake by investing so much money in 3 players, leaving very little for anyone else?

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  • #442694
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    Platypus
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    Next yr the players they need to go after with exception if they take it

    1. Perkins

    2. Chandler

    3. Dalembert

    4. Nazr Mohamed

    5. Kwame Brown

    all big men, they can draft a shooter who can defend, its not like there arent many

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  • #442698
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    Next yr the players they need to go after with exception if they take it

    1. Perkins

    2. Chandler

    3. Dalembert

    4. Nazr Mohamed

    5. Kwame Brown

    all big men, they can draft a shooter who can defend, its not like there arent many

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  • #442708
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    Platypus
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    Next yr the players they need to go after with exception if they take it

    1. Perkins

    2. Chandler

    3. Dalembert

    4. Nazr Mohamed

    5. Kwame Brown

    all big men, they can draft a shooter who can defend, its not like there arent many

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  • #442712
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    Platypus
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    they can draft Shelvin Mack out of Butler, he could be a good fit

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  • #442716
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    Platypus
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    they can draft Shelvin Mack out of Butler, he could be a good fit

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  • #442726
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    Platypus
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    they can draft Shelvin Mack out of Butler, he could be a good fit

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  • #442814
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    rtbt
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    Symbol, the season just started. Don’t you think it’s a little too early to analyze and/or predict what they will need next year?

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  • #442818
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    rtbt
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    Symbol, the season just started. Don’t you think it’s a little too early to analyze and/or predict what they will need next year?

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  • #442828
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    rtbt
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    Symbol, the season just started. Don’t you think it’s a little too early to analyze and/or predict what they will need next year?

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