[RooneyParticipant]

 Right after Coach Erik Spoelstra said he thought the NBA Season was too long, Dirk came out and said that the games should be cut to mid 60s. He also said that there shouldn’t be 82 games to determine the best 8 teams in the conference. Do you guys see any changes with the amount of regular season games? Also what do you guys think of a 4  minute game?

 

 

http://www.si.com/nba/2014/10/15/dallas-mavericks-dirk-nowitzki-nba-season-length

 

[doubledribblerParticipant]

They play too many games. Plenty of players have been saying that. You look at a guy like AK47 that had injury issues while in the NBA, thenleaves and stays healthy while gone, then comes back and his body cannot handle the grind. It is not likely to happen because more games mean more money, but it would go a long way towards better games. Games would mean more and guys wouldn’t be worn out and you would probably see guys playing longer at a more productive level. Look at what Pop has done with the Spurs and how well guys are able to maintain that performance in the playoffs…some guys are dead by that time of the year (see the Bulls every year Thibs has coached them).  

[doubledribblerParticipant]

They play too many games. Plenty of players have been saying that. You look at a guy like AK47 that had injury issues while in the NBA, thenleaves and stays healthy while gone, then comes back and his body cannot handle the grind. It is not likely to happen because more games mean more money, but it would go a long way towards better games. Games would mean more and guys wouldn’t be worn out and you would probably see guys playing longer at a more productive level. Look at what Pop has done with the Spurs and how well guys are able to maintain that performance in the playoffs…some guys are dead by that time of the year (see the Bulls every year Thibs has coached them).  

[JordanC20Participant]

 If he thinks theres too many games he ought to retire. Considering the amount of money these players make they need to think twice before complaining…theres millions of people that would love to be where they are at.

[BoundByInkParticipant]

 well said man…i agree

[BoundByInkParticipant]

 well said man…i agree

[lalailaParticipant]

I gave you +1 for that nice sentence that millions of people would love to be in their positiong, but still it’s something I dissagree

 

first of all they earn those millions not because they play bucnh of back-to-backs they get it because they are the best in the world.

secondly it’s not because of Dirk’s age, he said he had felt the same way when he was 20. PLus both Spoestra and LeBron agreed with Dirk.

LeBron said he could play 50 minutes it didn’t matter (shortening games to 44 minutes) , but it’s the number of games that should be shortened

[lalailaParticipant]

I gave you +1 for that nice sentence that millions of people would love to be in their positiong, but still it’s something I dissagree

 

first of all they earn those millions not because they play bucnh of back-to-backs they get it because they are the best in the world.

secondly it’s not because of Dirk’s age, he said he had felt the same way when he was 20. PLus both Spoestra and LeBron agreed with Dirk.

LeBron said he could play 50 minutes it didn’t matter (shortening games to 44 minutes) , but it’s the number of games that should be shortened

[TallmanNYCParticipant]

First of all, Lebron is probably wrong in how many minutes he can play without being unable to compete with top level competition. He did lose the finals to the Spurs who practice extreme minutes control in the regular season.

Second, Lebron is an elite physical freak. Thanks Lebron, maybe you can play 50 minutes as a 260 pound SF who can jump out of the gym and who has a jump shot that makes you able to dominate from 25 feet from the hoop. Okay, that is nice. What should the rest of the league do? 

[TallmanNYCParticipant]

First of all, Lebron is probably wrong in how many minutes he can play without being unable to compete with top level competition. He did lose the finals to the Spurs who practice extreme minutes control in the regular season.

Second, Lebron is an elite physical freak. Thanks Lebron, maybe you can play 50 minutes as a 260 pound SF who can jump out of the gym and who has a jump shot that makes you able to dominate from 25 feet from the hoop. Okay, that is nice. What should the rest of the league do? 

[JordanC20Participant]

 If he thinks theres too many games he ought to retire. Considering the amount of money these players make they need to think twice before complaining…theres millions of people that would love to be where they are at.

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

wait until he hear that the rules commitee is talking about extending the length of games……lol

 

[Kinguy11Participant]

 I thought they were considering shortening the games from 48 to 44 minutes.

[Kinguy11Participant]

 I thought they were considering shortening the games from 48 to 44 minutes.

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

wait until he hear that the rules commitee is talking about extending the length of games……lol

 

[RooneyParticipant]

 My bad sorry about the typo I meant 44

[RooneyParticipant]

 My bad sorry about the typo I meant 44

[ChewyParticipant]

 more games= more money and 82 games is the standard that has been set for awhile now. I see no way in which the owners would agree to give up the money that an extra 20 games bring in. I can’t even imagine what the player’s union would have to give up just to get the owners to consider this.

[ChewyParticipant]

 more games= more money and 82 games is the standard that has been set for awhile now. I see no way in which the owners would agree to give up the money that an extra 20 games bring in. I can’t even imagine what the player’s union would have to give up just to get the owners to consider this.

[lalailaParticipant]

Am I only who thinks Silver wants to make his make known quickly (too quickly by doing whatever it takes to)

 

that slamdunk BS of dunker of the night now just changing the hole game basically with shortening it.. I don’t like it. 

[lalailaParticipant]

Am I only who thinks Silver wants to make his make known quickly (too quickly by doing whatever it takes to)

 

that slamdunk BS of dunker of the night now just changing the hole game basically with shortening it.. I don’t like it. 

[BasketBalAllanParticipant]

I do not like the idea of shortening game length because I do not think it would be nearly as effective as shortening the season to about 75 games.  Playing 3 or 4 minutes less a game over a season or 328 minutes total (6.83 games worth) is not the same reduction in stress on players as actually scheduling 6 or 7 less games. There is a lot of work and energy expended in pre and post game activities that directly correlates to a players overall health and energy on and off the court. As NBA fans we deserve the best quality product the NBA can offer. I believe that less games of equal (current) length is a sufficient solution to this. 

The NBA should look to embrace this outlook because it will not only improve overall injury prevention but also prepare them for their goal of expanding the NBA world wide. You need less games with greater travel distances and incase you decide on having multiple leagues with the possibility of a NBA sponsored world tournament.

 

I understand as well why we are prone to just tell these players to suck it up when they are making $$$ most only dream of. But if these players are complaining then as fans we should listen, there is most likely a real reason (however slight) that these ideas keep surfacing. Which points to a very real decline in the quality of basketball we watch daily. So we really need to decide if we as fans want to trade quality of play for a higher quantity of it.

 

 

 

 

[BasketBalAllanParticipant]

I do not like the idea of shortening game length because I do not think it would be nearly as effective as shortening the season to about 75 games.  Playing 3 or 4 minutes less a game over a season or 328 minutes total (6.83 games worth) is not the same reduction in stress on players as actually scheduling 6 or 7 less games. There is a lot of work and energy expended in pre and post game activities that directly correlates to a players overall health and energy on and off the court. As NBA fans we deserve the best quality product the NBA can offer. I believe that less games of equal (current) length is a sufficient solution to this. 

The NBA should look to embrace this outlook because it will not only improve overall injury prevention but also prepare them for their goal of expanding the NBA world wide. You need less games with greater travel distances and incase you decide on having multiple leagues with the possibility of a NBA sponsored world tournament.

 

I understand as well why we are prone to just tell these players to suck it up when they are making $$$ most only dream of. But if these players are complaining then as fans we should listen, there is most likely a real reason (however slight) that these ideas keep surfacing. Which points to a very real decline in the quality of basketball we watch daily. So we really need to decide if we as fans want to trade quality of play for a higher quantity of it.

 

 

 

 

[JordoParticipant]

If they are serious about a shorter season then worst case scenario is another lockout. The owners don’t want to hear anything about less games, less ticket sales, less tv revenue etc

[JordoParticipant]

If they are serious about a shorter season then worst case scenario is another lockout. The owners don’t want to hear anything about less games, less ticket sales, less tv revenue etc

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

jordan said players dont have much love for basketball if they’re talking about playing fewer games…he stated he would’ve played in an empty gym….but those are the words of a guy thats now an owner…..

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

jordan said players dont have much love for basketball if they’re talking about playing fewer games…he stated he would’ve played in an empty gym….but those are the words of a guy thats now an owner…..

[machu46Participant]

Jordon’s competitiveness/desire/love of the game was also borderline psychotic lol.

Having said that, I don’t really care either way.  My only thing is that 82 games has been the standard for a long time now, and players are in better shape than ever before.  I don’t think 82 games is really a problem, but if it’s what the players want, who are we to force them to play more?

The only thing that would kinda disappoint me if they shortened the season is that stats wouldn’t be as impressive anymore.  The Bulls 72-10 season was an incredible accomplishment, and if the season is shortened, you’d start hearing arguments like "Team A went 53-7.  Is THAT the best record ever?" and little things like that.  Averaging 30 points a game over a 50-60 game season isn’t as impressive as doing it for 82 games.

So in that essence, it would bother me a little bit, but I’d probably get over it pretty quickly.

 

 

 

 

[machu46Participant]

Jordon’s competitiveness/desire/love of the game was also borderline psychotic lol.

Having said that, I don’t really care either way.  My only thing is that 82 games has been the standard for a long time now, and players are in better shape than ever before.  I don’t think 82 games is really a problem, but if it’s what the players want, who are we to force them to play more?

The only thing that would kinda disappoint me if they shortened the season is that stats wouldn’t be as impressive anymore.  The Bulls 72-10 season was an incredible accomplishment, and if the season is shortened, you’d start hearing arguments like "Team A went 53-7.  Is THAT the best record ever?" and little things like that.  Averaging 30 points a game over a 50-60 game season isn’t as impressive as doing it for 82 games.

So in that essence, it would bother me a little bit, but I’d probably get over it pretty quickly.

 

 

 

 

[CynthiaParticipant]

As a fan, I just can’t get enough of basketball. I would never want a reduction of games or minutes, and I can’t see how any true fan would ever support the idea. 

[CynthiaParticipant]

As a fan, I just can’t get enough of basketball. I would never want a reduction of games or minutes, and I can’t see how any true fan would ever support the idea. 

[ExumInfernoParticipant]

 More money for players and higher ticket prices but fewer games and fewer minutes per game, that doesn’t sound like a lot of fun for fans.

 

 

[ExumInfernoParticipant]

 More money for players and higher ticket prices but fewer games and fewer minutes per game, that doesn’t sound like a lot of fun for fans.

 

 

[TallmanNYCParticipant]

Yes, the NBA season is too long. We don’t need that many games. And the players can’t keep up with it and be in top shape for the best of sevens in the playoffs. I like the games. Frankly I can watch ANY NBA game and find it interesting. Not saying all I do is watch games and that I watch all of them. But for me they are all good on some level. But I’m on the extreme end. The league doesn’t need this many games for the average fan and certainly not for the casual fan. 

But the real issue is the coaches have figured this out. The Spurs tanked last season.

Wait realy you don’t think the Spurs were tanking last season? You were not paying attention. Duncan average 29 minutes per game in the regular season and 33 in the playoffs. They were resting him in the regular season. That means they were not going all out. That means they were not giving 100%. Get it. The regular season is not full out games. Tony Parker played 29 minutes in the regular season. But 31 in the playoffs. Remember the Spurs won. So the question is not "Did tanking hurt them?" The question is "Did they tank enough and would they have been better if they tanked more?"

This type of minutes management is going to become common in the NBA unless the regular season becomes more important. Shortening the regular season will be one way to make it more important. We don’t want regular season games where healthy, MVP level players, like Tony Parker, play 29 out of 48 minutes. 

 

 

[TallmanNYCParticipant]

Yes, the NBA season is too long. We don’t need that many games. And the players can’t keep up with it and be in top shape for the best of sevens in the playoffs. I like the games. Frankly I can watch ANY NBA game and find it interesting. Not saying all I do is watch games and that I watch all of them. But for me they are all good on some level. But I’m on the extreme end. The league doesn’t need this many games for the average fan and certainly not for the casual fan. 

But the real issue is the coaches have figured this out. The Spurs tanked last season.

Wait realy you don’t think the Spurs were tanking last season? You were not paying attention. Duncan average 29 minutes per game in the regular season and 33 in the playoffs. They were resting him in the regular season. That means they were not going all out. That means they were not giving 100%. Get it. The regular season is not full out games. Tony Parker played 29 minutes in the regular season. But 31 in the playoffs. Remember the Spurs won. So the question is not "Did tanking hurt them?" The question is "Did they tank enough and would they have been better if they tanked more?"

This type of minutes management is going to become common in the NBA unless the regular season becomes more important. Shortening the regular season will be one way to make it more important. We don’t want regular season games where healthy, MVP level players, like Tony Parker, play 29 out of 48 minutes. 

 

 

[JoeWolf1]

I hate the idea because all the records, seasonal, career, game etc would be gone. 

As a bit of a basketball historian, it’s only natural that syles of the game change, and there are rule tweaks every few years, but it’s always pretty fluid. I just enjoy the traditional 82 game schedule with 48 minute game. The guys can handle it, it’s not like the NFL where basketball players are breaking down at a high rate.

I think this is part reactionary because of the new TV deal. Sadly, I think another strike is around the corner.

[JoeWolf1]

I hate the idea because all the records, seasonal, career, game etc would be gone. 

As a bit of a basketball historian, it’s only natural that syles of the game change, and there are rule tweaks every few years, but it’s always pretty fluid. I just enjoy the traditional 82 game schedule with 48 minute game. The guys can handle it, it’s not like the NFL where basketball players are breaking down at a high rate.

I think this is part reactionary because of the new TV deal. Sadly, I think another strike is around the corner.

[TallmanNYCParticipant]

I hear you. It would change all the records. Career scoring records, for example, would be hard to achieve in less time. Though Kareem’s is untouchable anyway. And so for the most part are Stockton’s assist and steals records. Those career records aren’t going to get broken even if we play 82 game seasons. 

I think the concern is that most of the players can’t play that long and be at their best when the playoffs start. Also the fans would prefer a slightly shorter game. Personally I’d like them to cut out the time outs at the end of a game. If they put in the FIBA rule that you can’t call a time out unless there is a dead ball, that would be a big improvement. But a few less games per season would be okay for me as well. I know that would be a revenue hit though. 

Also Wolf, I’m upset that you think that another "strike" is around the corner. Because you are a smart guy. There is a huge difference between a strike and a lockout. It is the difference between you deciding not to go to work and your employer deciding not to pay you. There have been four owner lockouts since 1995. I’m not sure if the NBA players have ever had a strike as I think they have always been willing to play games under the prior agreement while negotiations continue. The players are rich and it is easy to forget that they are still just employees. And the NBA owners arguments that they are "losing money" on their teams has always been complete bu@@sh!te. But it is great for them that they’ve shut down the game repeatedly so they can drive the value of their franchises into the billions. 

 

[TallmanNYCParticipant]

I hear you. It would change all the records. Career scoring records, for example, would be hard to achieve in less time. Though Kareem’s is untouchable anyway. And so for the most part are Stockton’s assist and steals records. Those career records aren’t going to get broken even if we play 82 game seasons. 

I think the concern is that most of the players can’t play that long and be at their best when the playoffs start. Also the fans would prefer a slightly shorter game. Personally I’d like them to cut out the time outs at the end of a game. If they put in the FIBA rule that you can’t call a time out unless there is a dead ball, that would be a big improvement. But a few less games per season would be okay for me as well. I know that would be a revenue hit though. 

Also Wolf, I’m upset that you think that another "strike" is around the corner. Because you are a smart guy. There is a huge difference between a strike and a lockout. It is the difference between you deciding not to go to work and your employer deciding not to pay you. There have been four owner lockouts since 1995. I’m not sure if the NBA players have ever had a strike as I think they have always been willing to play games under the prior agreement while negotiations continue. The players are rich and it is easy to forget that they are still just employees. And the NBA owners arguments that they are "losing money" on their teams has always been complete bu@@sh!te. But it is great for them that they’ve shut down the game repeatedly so they can drive the value of their franchises into the billions. 

 

[JoeWolf1]

No, you’re right. I mispoke, I meant lockout.

I really see both parts to the arguement, I just wish the players and owners were better at hashing out their differences before it gets to the point where we fans are effected by lack of games, shortened seasons, etc..

[JoeWolf1]

No, you’re right. I mispoke, I meant lockout.

I really see both parts to the arguement, I just wish the players and owners were better at hashing out their differences before it gets to the point where we fans are effected by lack of games, shortened seasons, etc..

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