[druneave3Participant]

http://dimemag.com/2013/08/the-top-10-nba-point-guards-younger-than-25/3/

Really Dime Magazine? Really? Several major issues with this article.

Jeremy Lin, Brandon Jennings, and Kemba Walker all ahead of #10 Ricky Rubio? I would list several other players ahead of Lin, perhaps even a player on his own team in Beverly if he was a year younger.

In what planet does anyone rank Westbrook ahead of Rose, ever? I know they mentioned the uncertainty as the reason, but no. I wish Rose would have listened to every doctor and player who has had that injury, finished the final stage in the rehab process and played. Even if it was only for the final 2 weeks of the season, so everyone wouldn’t be doubting his abilities. People act like he is the first person to ever have that injury, and there is no way he will ever be the same player. True, the injury will force Rose to alter his playing style but I think that is a good thing. The domination which he displayed on a nightly basis against every PG during the Golden Era of PG was insane. Even if he is slightly less explosive he will still be leaps and bounds ahead of the erratic Westbrook who chooses to take more shots than KD. CAN’T WAIT until he comes back!

Also, I know this is a minority opinion but give me Kyrie over Westbrook.

[theprophetParticipant]

i’m with you. i like rose better any day over westbrook outside of last season. and westbrook is coming off his first major injury, so who knows how he will bounce back? i would take kyrie over westbrook and i would even take john wall over westbrook which might be an even bigger minority. rubio is better than lin, jennings and walker as well. i’m with you all the way on your analysis.

i’d go:

rose
wall/irving
wall/irving
westbrook
rubio
lillard
holiday
jennings
walker
tyreke/trey burke

something like that. lin isn’t quite on there.

[strobox88Participant]

Watch this and tell me Kyrie Irving/John Wall is currently better than Westbrook without lying to yourself. Can’t do it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzoaLKzd5eA

[strobox88Participant]

Watch this and tell me Kyrie Irving/John Wall is currently better than Westbrook without lying to yourself. Can’t do it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzoaLKzd5eA

[theprophetParticipant]

i’m with you. i like rose better any day over westbrook outside of last season. and westbrook is coming off his first major injury, so who knows how he will bounce back? i would take kyrie over westbrook and i would even take john wall over westbrook which might be an even bigger minority. rubio is better than lin, jennings and walker as well. i’m with you all the way on your analysis.

i’d go:

rose
wall/irving
wall/irving
westbrook
rubio
lillard
holiday
jennings
walker
tyreke/trey burke

something like that. lin isn’t quite on there.

[ChewyParticipant]

Yes, I agree Rose is better than Westbrook. I think Rose would be successful as the only big scorer on the team (aka the Bulls now) and would be great with other superstars because he really doesn’t mind being pass first IF the talent is there.

No, I am not taking Irving over Westbrook. Westbrook is too explosive and has shown major improvement in his pull up jumper since entering the league.

Yes, I am taking Rubio over Lin and Walker…easy decision for me.

Maybe, I might take Rubio over Jennings, but I’m interested in seeing how he reacts to playing with good scorers like Smith and Monroe. If he can get back to valuing being an assist man like he was in HS, then I take him over Rubio. The question is, were the bad shooting decisions a response to being on a bad offensive team or is this a permanent change in playing mentality?

[ChewyParticipant]

Yes, I agree Rose is better than Westbrook. I think Rose would be successful as the only big scorer on the team (aka the Bulls now) and would be great with other superstars because he really doesn’t mind being pass first IF the talent is there.

No, I am not taking Irving over Westbrook. Westbrook is too explosive and has shown major improvement in his pull up jumper since entering the league.

Yes, I am taking Rubio over Lin and Walker…easy decision for me.

Maybe, I might take Rubio over Jennings, but I’m interested in seeing how he reacts to playing with good scorers like Smith and Monroe. If he can get back to valuing being an assist man like he was in HS, then I take him over Rubio. The question is, were the bad shooting decisions a response to being on a bad offensive team or is this a permanent change in playing mentality?

[agentoaktreeParticipant]

not advocating for the list, but you may be underestimating westbrook. His value showed when they missed him in the playoffs.

[agentoaktreeParticipant]

not advocating for the list, but you may be underestimating westbrook. His value showed when they missed him in the playoffs.

[theprophetParticipant]

i don’t believe i’m underestimating westbrook at all. first off, i don’t know how he will respond to an injury, as it is his first major one. look at how long it took rose to heal last year. i’m a believer in rose personally, as he took an entire season off last year and took his time and was an mvp before. secondly i think wall and irving are only getting better as well and are both proving what they mean to there teams as leaders and were not that far off of westbrook before he got injured. westbrook is great and explosive but so is rose and wall and irving just has an awesome skill set. wall and westbrook are similar players that are both very quick and athletic. although streaky, westbrook has better shooting range, but on the other hand wall doesn’t always have to shoot it every play and has gotten pretty good at finding the open man. while we may not agree on dime magazine’s list, it is dime magazine’s list and it’s just dime’s opinion just like everyone may have an opinion on the top under 25 point guards in the league. like my list is my list and someone else can give an analysis on my list and have a different opinion. but at least i have an analysis on dime’s list to give voice of reason on mine. i would like to see how others rank their top point guards under 25 with their respective voice of reasons. i thought this was a great article to share, so thank you druneave3 btw!

[theprophetParticipant]

i don’t believe i’m underestimating westbrook at all. first off, i don’t know how he will respond to an injury, as it is his first major one. look at how long it took rose to heal last year. i’m a believer in rose personally, as he took an entire season off last year and took his time and was an mvp before. secondly i think wall and irving are only getting better as well and are both proving what they mean to there teams as leaders and were not that far off of westbrook before he got injured. westbrook is great and explosive but so is rose and wall and irving just has an awesome skill set. wall and westbrook are similar players that are both very quick and athletic. although streaky, westbrook has better shooting range, but on the other hand wall doesn’t always have to shoot it every play and has gotten pretty good at finding the open man. while we may not agree on dime magazine’s list, it is dime magazine’s list and it’s just dime’s opinion just like everyone may have an opinion on the top under 25 point guards in the league. like my list is my list and someone else can give an analysis on my list and have a different opinion. but at least i have an analysis on dime’s list to give voice of reason on mine. i would like to see how others rank their top point guards under 25 with their respective voice of reasons. i thought this was a great article to share, so thank you druneave3 btw!

[i’m jus so offendedParticipant]

Not sure how Jeremy Lin can be on the list over Eric Bledsoe.

[i’m jus so offendedParticipant]

Not sure how Jeremy Lin can be on the list over Eric Bledsoe.

[Dleg99Participant]

Tyreke has not played pg since his rookie year so he doesnt count, and how could you put trey burke who has not played a game on your list

[theprophetParticipant]

i see what you mean by tyreke, but i just put him because dime included him in the honerable mention category. trey burke i just believe him. at worst i’m wrong and he’s somewhere around a dj augustine/ramon sessions level. at best he’s a more efficient terrell brandon. i’ll take my chances on burke being better than lin or bledsoe. there’s something about burke that has me believe in him. he’s a more pass oriented version of kemba walker who is also on the list, but just a younger version. i’ll take that over who’s left at point guard under 25. but i can see where you can not agree.

[theprophetParticipant]

i see what you mean by tyreke, but i just put him because dime included him in the honerable mention category. trey burke i just believe him. at worst i’m wrong and he’s somewhere around a dj augustine/ramon sessions level. at best he’s a more efficient terrell brandon. i’ll take my chances on burke being better than lin or bledsoe. there’s something about burke that has me believe in him. he’s a more pass oriented version of kemba walker who is also on the list, but just a younger version. i’ll take that over who’s left at point guard under 25. but i can see where you can not agree.

[Dleg99Participant]

Tyreke has not played pg since his rookie year so he doesnt count, and how could you put trey burke who has not played a game on your list

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

I can see Lin bouncing back. He can run pick and roll all day with Dwight Howard. Lots of weapons on that team.

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

I can see Lin bouncing back. He can run pick and roll all day with Dwight Howard. Lots of weapons on that team.

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

I have Westbrook, Rose, Irving, and Wall as MVP candidates next season just behind LeBron, Durant, Chris Paul, Dwight Howard, and James Harden. I think that Irving and Wall will make the all-star team this year. I like Steph Curry out West (he might be a little old for this list) as both an all-star and as a legit MVP candidate.

Ricky Rubio will have a good year. I think he will get the T Wolves into the playoffs (7 or 8 seed).

Next on my list would be Kemba Walker and Brandon Jennings. Jennings is in a good place in Detroit. Plenty of scoring threats and guys he can get assists with. He will also be the designated scorer in the backcourt/perimeter. Maybe somewhat like AI in the Philly days. Walker is a very good player and now he has some more pieces in Al Jefferson and Cody Zeller. MKG will improve too. That should all help Kemba Walker in his development.

Jru Holiday is a wild card. It might take him a while to adjust to a new team but he is major factor in whether or not the promising young Pelicans can get into the playoffs.

Look for Damian Lillard to improve on his impressive rookie campaign. I don’t see him going to the all-star game just yet, and I would like to know if he is more than just a glorified version of Nick Van Exel.

My dark horse candidates here are Michael Carter-Williams and Tony Wroten in Philly. People are expecting them to be young and bad, but I can really see the Sixers sneaking up on some teams this season. They have the youth and also the length, and talent to make life difficult for the rest of the league. They have big long guards with Nerlens Noel inside. Thad Young and Spencer Hawes are also solid. MCW and Wroten could be a potent one two punch at the point guard spot. I would also like to see them play together. The plan in Philly is to play the young guys, lose a bunch of games, and then come away with Wiggins (or Randle) in the draft. That doesn’t mean that they won’t be fun to watch this year though…

[theprophetParticipant]

interesting, i like how you came up with yours. it’s actually not that far off of mine. i like your dark horses. i don’t believe in them figuring it out this year, but if michael carter-willliams or tony wroten figure out the nba game, they have the talent to become great. curry is to old for the list btw.

[theprophetParticipant]

interesting, i like how you came up with yours. it’s actually not that far off of mine. i like your dark horses. i don’t believe in them figuring it out this year, but if michael carter-willliams or tony wroten figure out the nba game, they have the talent to become great. curry is to old for the list btw.

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

I have Westbrook, Rose, Irving, and Wall as MVP candidates next season just behind LeBron, Durant, Chris Paul, Dwight Howard, and James Harden. I think that Irving and Wall will make the all-star team this year. I like Steph Curry out West (he might be a little old for this list) as both an all-star and as a legit MVP candidate.

Ricky Rubio will have a good year. I think he will get the T Wolves into the playoffs (7 or 8 seed).

Next on my list would be Kemba Walker and Brandon Jennings. Jennings is in a good place in Detroit. Plenty of scoring threats and guys he can get assists with. He will also be the designated scorer in the backcourt/perimeter. Maybe somewhat like AI in the Philly days. Walker is a very good player and now he has some more pieces in Al Jefferson and Cody Zeller. MKG will improve too. That should all help Kemba Walker in his development.

Jru Holiday is a wild card. It might take him a while to adjust to a new team but he is major factor in whether or not the promising young Pelicans can get into the playoffs.

Look for Damian Lillard to improve on his impressive rookie campaign. I don’t see him going to the all-star game just yet, and I would like to know if he is more than just a glorified version of Nick Van Exel.

My dark horse candidates here are Michael Carter-Williams and Tony Wroten in Philly. People are expecting them to be young and bad, but I can really see the Sixers sneaking up on some teams this season. They have the youth and also the length, and talent to make life difficult for the rest of the league. They have big long guards with Nerlens Noel inside. Thad Young and Spencer Hawes are also solid. MCW and Wroten could be a potent one two punch at the point guard spot. I would also like to see them play together. The plan in Philly is to play the young guys, lose a bunch of games, and then come away with Wiggins (or Randle) in the draft. That doesn’t mean that they won’t be fun to watch this year though…

[phila9012Participant]

Yeah, to me I would rather have rubio over jennings, lin and walker and possibly lillard but 7th at worst. Maybe overall talent he isnt as good as those guys since he cant score at all, he cant shoot and can’t finish at the rim. He is the best passer in the NBA and he is a good defender. He is a leader and you notice how different Minnesota plays with out him. Now he would do terrible on the bobcats because he would have no one to pass it to. I dont know if they used most skilled or who would you want on a team or just best overall player.

[phila9012Participant]

Yeah, to me I would rather have rubio over jennings, lin and walker and possibly lillard but 7th at worst. Maybe overall talent he isnt as good as those guys since he cant score at all, he cant shoot and can’t finish at the rim. He is the best passer in the NBA and he is a good defender. He is a leader and you notice how different Minnesota plays with out him. Now he would do terrible on the bobcats because he would have no one to pass it to. I dont know if they used most skilled or who would you want on a team or just best overall player.

[drpg913Participant]

Russell Westbrook deserves to be 1 or 2 on this list. He is the only player on this list who has been to the finals and he’s played every regular season game of his career. His Injury isn’t as serious as Rose’s was (he did play on it for a bit after it occurred), He also is the best defender of anybody on this list. He should be ready to play by the beginning of the season. John Wall is extremely talented but hasn’t played much and other than the final few games last season he hasn’t showed much consistency on the court either. Kemba Walker should probably be No.10 on this list.

As much as I like Kyrie Irving he plays no defense and hasn’t stayed on the court.

[theprophetParticipant]

true, but when he went to the finals didn’t he do it with ibaka and durant oh and wasn’t that when they had james harden too? not taking anything away from westbrook because i believe 4 players on this list are close on the top, but i bet any of those 4 going into next year would make the finals with that lineup.

[drpg913Participant]

You’re right but out of everybody you just named who had the most memorable performance in the finals?

[drpg913Participant]

You’re right but out of everybody you just named who had the most memorable performance in the finals?

[theprophetParticipant]

the currently injured guy that piggy backed durant and lost anyways.

[theprophetParticipant]

the currently injured guy that piggy backed durant and lost anyways.

[theprophetParticipant]

true, but when he went to the finals didn’t he do it with ibaka and durant oh and wasn’t that when they had james harden too? not taking anything away from westbrook because i believe 4 players on this list are close on the top, but i bet any of those 4 going into next year would make the finals with that lineup.

[drpg913Participant]

Russell Westbrook deserves to be 1 or 2 on this list. He is the only player on this list who has been to the finals and he’s played every regular season game of his career. His Injury isn’t as serious as Rose’s was (he did play on it for a bit after it occurred), He also is the best defender of anybody on this list. He should be ready to play by the beginning of the season. John Wall is extremely talented but hasn’t played much and other than the final few games last season he hasn’t showed much consistency on the court either. Kemba Walker should probably be No.10 on this list.

As much as I like Kyrie Irving he plays no defense and hasn’t stayed on the court.

[strobox88Participant]

Pretty sure Derrick Rose and Russell Westbrook are two best Point Guards in the NBA under 25. Rose has the nod over Russ right now because of how good he was before the injury, but only this season, for sure, will we know how both of them will fare coming back from their injuries.

[strobox88Participant]

Pretty sure Derrick Rose and Russell Westbrook are two best Point Guards in the NBA under 25. Rose has the nod over Russ right now because of how good he was before the injury, but only this season, for sure, will we know how both of them will fare coming back from their injuries.

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