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- Posted on: Mon, 02/28/2011 - 9:36am #26406
STEVEDOT2ParticipantHe shouldnt be first on anyones mock first of all hes a tweener…..They just dont cut it in the nba
he does remind you of a david west and b-easy UNDERSIZED, a defensive liabilty , and he might take a couple years to crack a rotation………In the right system he might do well but there arent them many motion offenses thats gone be designed to get him the ball since hes unproven on the nba level and its only 24 seconds on the shot clock how will he get the ball in the paint or beside the backboard area next where he likes it around BIGGER STRONGER PLAYERS. If you watch him catchin the ball close to the basket or moving without the ball get him alot of his points and for a number one pick who you draft because his scoring prowess you dont want . Hes limted by the playmakers on his team like david west ….who couldnt get it rite untill a open in the roster and CHRIS PAUL who was bought along and helped West Put up career numbers. Now Willams can ball dont get me wrong but if your looking at him to be domiant no matter the style of play or players on his team he wont be. Hes a great peice but hes no first overall.
B easy can create his on offense in many ways hes the definition of prolific hes not the best but he has a arsonal thats growing with his size and skill set ………..I dont see derrick williams beating many nba 4s and defenses off the dribble …..hes not beating and 3s at all…..then getting scored on he has to deal with blake,kevin,stat,blatche,love alot of scoring bigs How will he fare He hasnt went agaisnt the best big in the nation yet…jared ….. so what has he really proved besides he can score in arizona? Hes not the number 1 pick…….
0 - Posted on: Mon, 02/28/2011 - 9:38am #502338
The lake show2Tweeners don’t cut it? you do know the average size of a starting NBA PF is 6’9 right. Isn’t he 6’9?
Wasn’t love considered a tweener
0 - Posted on: Mon, 02/28/2011 - 9:38am #502240
The lake show2Tweeners don’t cut it? you do know the average size of a starting NBA PF is 6’9 right. Isn’t he 6’9?
Wasn’t love considered a tweener
0 - Posted on: Mon, 02/28/2011 - 9:45am #502344
franfranParticipantthe really number 1 its Alec ( Kobe Bryant) Burks
0 - Posted on: Mon, 02/28/2011 - 9:45am #502246
franfranParticipantthe really number 1 its Alec ( Kobe Bryant) Burks
0 - Posted on: Mon, 02/28/2011 - 9:52am #502352
bobbybParticipantI dont watch too many PAC games being on the east coast. I cant comment how good he is however. David West is good with or without CP3 , he scores in isolation not on fast breaks like Tyson Chandler did. Mike Beasley isnt good because he is an un motivated base head . When he feels like playing , he can lite up the scoreboard.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 02/28/2011 - 9:52am #502254
bobbybParticipantI dont watch too many PAC games being on the east coast. I cant comment how good he is however. David West is good with or without CP3 , he scores in isolation not on fast breaks like Tyson Chandler did. Mike Beasley isnt good because he is an un motivated base head . When he feels like playing , he can lite up the scoreboard.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 02/28/2011 - 10:08am #502360
STEVEDOT2Participanttweener isnt a size thing its being stuck between stuck between two postions………….are you a pg or sg or you a sf or pf
alot of players cant cut it in this league because of this and size matter
look at the last frontcourts that made it to the nba finals this decade the frontline where either tall or powerhouses" ben wallace" no front lines had players that where tweeners just solid center and powerforwards its a differnce between being able to play multiple postions and being a tweener for instance b easy dominat pf in college in the league had to become a sf but has a hard time stickin most small forward so is he a pf or sf tweener rodeney stuckey can score really good but has trouble shooting the 3 ball and shooting in general 0.425 from the feild this season and 0.297 from the 3 and hes isnt reall a point gaurd 2.06 t/o and 4.5 assit the piston thought he could be there pg thats one reason they traded chauncey but hes not a pg or a sg hes a tweener stuck between 2 spots and lacking a true postion…
but getting back to williams…
0 - Posted on: Mon, 02/28/2011 - 10:08am #502261
STEVEDOT2Participanttweener isnt a size thing its being stuck between stuck between two postions………….are you a pg or sg or you a sf or pf
alot of players cant cut it in this league because of this and size matter
look at the last frontcourts that made it to the nba finals this decade the frontline where either tall or powerhouses" ben wallace" no front lines had players that where tweeners just solid center and powerforwards its a differnce between being able to play multiple postions and being a tweener for instance b easy dominat pf in college in the league had to become a sf but has a hard time stickin most small forward so is he a pf or sf tweener rodeney stuckey can score really good but has trouble shooting the 3 ball and shooting in general 0.425 from the feild this season and 0.297 from the 3 and hes isnt reall a point gaurd 2.06 t/o and 4.5 assit the piston thought he could be there pg thats one reason they traded chauncey but hes not a pg or a sg hes a tweener stuck between 2 spots and lacking a true postion…
but getting back to williams…
0 - Posted on: Mon, 02/28/2011 - 10:13am #502366
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0 - Posted on: Mon, 02/28/2011 - 10:13am #502268
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0 - Posted on: Mon, 02/28/2011 - 10:16am #502272
STEVEDOT2Participantmore look at the numbers once chris paul got on the hornets west numbers went up because of a good point gaurd giving him the ball where he does best …………..and i doubt b-easy get on the court and says "I dont feel like playing" nobody wants to lose or lose money becoming an unwanted player………..look how williams scores do you think it will be this easy in the league….or will nba players let him catch the ball a few inches out the paint …the gaurds wouldnt allow other gaurds to set it up so easy lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ze3NXkUmLKA&feature=player_embedded
0 - Posted on: Mon, 02/28/2011 - 10:16am #502370
STEVEDOT2Participantmore look at the numbers once chris paul got on the hornets west numbers went up because of a good point gaurd giving him the ball where he does best …………..and i doubt b-easy get on the court and says "I dont feel like playing" nobody wants to lose or lose money becoming an unwanted player………..look how williams scores do you think it will be this easy in the league….or will nba players let him catch the ball a few inches out the paint …the gaurds wouldnt allow other gaurds to set it up so easy lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ze3NXkUmLKA&feature=player_embedded
0 - Posted on: Mon, 02/28/2011 - 10:20am #502273
STEVEDOT2Participantlove was never consider a tweener in my eyes because a traditional power forward wasnt like a blake griffen or stat
0 - Posted on: Mon, 02/28/2011 - 10:20am #502372
STEVEDOT2Participantlove was never consider a tweener in my eyes because a traditional power forward wasnt like a blake griffen or stat
0 - Posted on: Mon, 02/28/2011 - 10:20am #502275
STEVEDOT2Participantlove was never consider a tweener in my eyes because a traditional power forward wasnt like a blake griffen or stat
0 - Posted on: Mon, 02/28/2011 - 10:20am #502374
STEVEDOT2Participantlove was never consider a tweener in my eyes because a traditional power forward wasnt like a blake griffen or stat
0 - Posted on: Mon, 02/28/2011 - 10:38am #502281
Malik-UniversalParticipantallen iverson was a tweener
and how did that pan out??
0 - Posted on: Mon, 02/28/2011 - 10:38am #502380
Malik-UniversalParticipantallen iverson was a tweener
and how did that pan out??
0 - Posted on: Mon, 02/28/2011 - 10:40am #502283
BKKnicksfanParticipantAllen Iverson wasn’t a tweener. He was a undersized shooting guard.
Kevin Love wasn’t a tweener, he was a power forward who played center in college to allow UCLA to play Moute.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 02/28/2011 - 10:40am #502382
BKKnicksfanParticipantAllen Iverson wasn’t a tweener. He was a undersized shooting guard.
Kevin Love wasn’t a tweener, he was a power forward who played center in college to allow UCLA to play Moute.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 02/28/2011 - 10:58am #502293
STEVEDOT2Participantim from philly by the way ……..Was Iverson a tweener he did average about 7 assit in his prime years playing pg and sg…………..a few reason we had iverson at sg we had no 2nd option ………. raja bell arron mckie eric snow willie green,lu will straight out of high school iggy drafted as a sf derrick coleman,chris webber matt harpning, dikembe ,glen robinson,keith van horn All players who got overpaid by the sixers
whos going to do the scoring ? If you have iverson bringin the ball up as the pg then passing the ball tryning to get a easy basket for a teammate just to get it back to score hes going to be fatigued…..when iverson played es teammates would sit there and watch maybe if they would have done more cutting or been more athletic like iverson to run a up tempo type game he would have had more assit maybe around 8 or 9 in his prime
Iverson was player who could play both postions and he had to …. playing for a team with a cheap owner
Come on lets get off this tweener thing
0 - Posted on: Mon, 02/28/2011 - 10:58am #502392
STEVEDOT2Participantim from philly by the way ……..Was Iverson a tweener he did average about 7 assit in his prime years playing pg and sg…………..a few reason we had iverson at sg we had no 2nd option ………. raja bell arron mckie eric snow willie green,lu will straight out of high school iggy drafted as a sf derrick coleman,chris webber matt harpning, dikembe ,glen robinson,keith van horn All players who got overpaid by the sixers
whos going to do the scoring ? If you have iverson bringin the ball up as the pg then passing the ball tryning to get a easy basket for a teammate just to get it back to score hes going to be fatigued…..when iverson played es teammates would sit there and watch maybe if they would have done more cutting or been more athletic like iverson to run a up tempo type game he would have had more assit maybe around 8 or 9 in his prime
Iverson was player who could play both postions and he had to …. playing for a team with a cheap owner
Come on lets get off this tweener thing
0 - Posted on: Mon, 02/28/2011 - 11:58am #502323
finneganParticipantI prefer terrence jones over that guy. terrence jones is only freshman but he’s as good as derrick williams on williams sophmore year. in defensive end, not even close, williams is liability in defense while freshman jones is superb defender already.
both 6’9 and i don’t think that 6’9 is undersized pf in the nba, lots of nba players now a days that can played pf in the nba at 6’9 like david west, jeff green, tyrus thomas, taj gibson and more.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 02/28/2011 - 11:58am #502422
finneganParticipantI prefer terrence jones over that guy. terrence jones is only freshman but he’s as good as derrick williams on williams sophmore year. in defensive end, not even close, williams is liability in defense while freshman jones is superb defender already.
both 6’9 and i don’t think that 6’9 is undersized pf in the nba, lots of nba players now a days that can played pf in the nba at 6’9 like david west, jeff green, tyrus thomas, taj gibson and more.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 02/28/2011 - 12:11pm #502335
The lake show2West PPG went up 1 or 2 points with paul. And it doesn’t matter if a player is a tweener or undersized they can still produce if they are good enough
0 - Posted on: Mon, 02/28/2011 - 12:11pm #502434
The lake show2West PPG went up 1 or 2 points with paul. And it doesn’t matter if a player is a tweener or undersized they can still produce if they are good enough
0 - Posted on: Mon, 02/28/2011 - 12:12pm #502337
The lake show2Actualy i ment to say his Point’s went down 1 or 2 points without paul. He’s good with or without Paul
0 - Posted on: Mon, 02/28/2011 - 12:12pm #502436
The lake show2Actualy i ment to say his Point’s went down 1 or 2 points without paul. He’s good with or without Paul
0 - Posted on: Mon, 02/28/2011 - 12:41pm #502347
JoeWolf1If Kyrie Irving comes back for the big dance and plays at the level he did before his toe injury he’ll be the #1 pick and with Baylor most likely out of the NCAA tournament I wouldn’t think Perry Jones’ stock would rise too much, but a player like him could jump a lot after the combine.
I think Derrick Williams will be fine as an NBA player, but him being considered as a #1 pick doesn’t bode too well for this draft. I don’t think he’ll be a bust like Kwame, but remember Kenyon Martin was a #1 pick too.
I wouldn’t count out Terrance Jones or Jared Sullinger at this point either. Sullinger doesn’t have the freakish length his main comparison Elton Brand had, but the Bulls fell in love with Brand and I could see a team doing the same thing with a player like Sullinger. I was certain Lamar Odom was going to be picked by the Bulls that year, but they went with a "safer" pick at the time and he was Co-ROY.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 02/28/2011 - 12:41pm #502446
JoeWolf1If Kyrie Irving comes back for the big dance and plays at the level he did before his toe injury he’ll be the #1 pick and with Baylor most likely out of the NCAA tournament I wouldn’t think Perry Jones’ stock would rise too much, but a player like him could jump a lot after the combine.
I think Derrick Williams will be fine as an NBA player, but him being considered as a #1 pick doesn’t bode too well for this draft. I don’t think he’ll be a bust like Kwame, but remember Kenyon Martin was a #1 pick too.
I wouldn’t count out Terrance Jones or Jared Sullinger at this point either. Sullinger doesn’t have the freakish length his main comparison Elton Brand had, but the Bulls fell in love with Brand and I could see a team doing the same thing with a player like Sullinger. I was certain Lamar Odom was going to be picked by the Bulls that year, but they went with a "safer" pick at the time and he was Co-ROY.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 02/28/2011 - 1:18pm #502369
Mr. 19134ParticipantAllen Iverson was not a tweener and didn’t play SG until Larry Brown became the coach and realized that Iverson is not only one of the purest scorers he has ever coached, but that the team didn’t have anybody else on that team who could score. When Iverson played on Team USA, or All Star teams, and even when he went to the Nuggets he played PG and played well. He averaged 25 n 7 on the Nuggets playing point.
And I’ve watchd around 5 Arizona games thoughout the season and Williams has gotten better. He was on my rader last year only because he was like 17 as a freshmen and put up 15 a game and did it will crazy efficiency. He came out this year, playing the same amount of minutes, but got better numbers across the board, significantly better numbers and even better efficiecny. Not only that he seems to have gotten better athletically. He is no longer a skinny PF with no perimeter ability, he’s not a strong 6;9 PF with post and perimeter ability. This guy is a stud and will not disapoint in the pros.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 02/28/2011 - 1:18pm #502468
Mr. 19134ParticipantAllen Iverson was not a tweener and didn’t play SG until Larry Brown became the coach and realized that Iverson is not only one of the purest scorers he has ever coached, but that the team didn’t have anybody else on that team who could score. When Iverson played on Team USA, or All Star teams, and even when he went to the Nuggets he played PG and played well. He averaged 25 n 7 on the Nuggets playing point.
And I’ve watchd around 5 Arizona games thoughout the season and Williams has gotten better. He was on my rader last year only because he was like 17 as a freshmen and put up 15 a game and did it will crazy efficiency. He came out this year, playing the same amount of minutes, but got better numbers across the board, significantly better numbers and even better efficiecny. Not only that he seems to have gotten better athletically. He is no longer a skinny PF with no perimeter ability, he’s not a strong 6;9 PF with post and perimeter ability. This guy is a stud and will not disapoint in the pros.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 02/28/2011 - 1:25pm #502373
HadzialijagicParticipantDerrick Williams is gonna be fine at the power foward in my opinion 6’9 is fine. If he measures under 6’9 then he might have a problem. Im wondering about Perry Jones he is 6’11 so him playing PF is good but im wondering whether he should play the 3 or the 4 in the NBA?
0 - Posted on: Mon, 02/28/2011 - 1:25pm #502472
HadzialijagicParticipantDerrick Williams is gonna be fine at the power foward in my opinion 6’9 is fine. If he measures under 6’9 then he might have a problem. Im wondering about Perry Jones he is 6’11 so him playing PF is good but im wondering whether he should play the 3 or the 4 in the NBA?
0 - Posted on: Mon, 02/28/2011 - 1:30pm #502379
The lake show2Its easier to be a point guard for allstar teams. He was a sg not because he couldn’t play the point but he was such a gifted scorer and wasn’t interested in really making other’s better , that it made sense for him to be put at the shooting guard position
0 - Posted on: Mon, 02/28/2011 - 1:30pm #502479
The lake show2Its easier to be a point guard for allstar teams. He was a sg not because he couldn’t play the point but he was such a gifted scorer and wasn’t interested in really making other’s better , that it made sense for him to be put at the shooting guard position
0 - Posted on: Mon, 02/28/2011 - 2:44pm #502562
STEVEDOT2Participantwe will see what his real size is at the combine…..Im not saying hes not efficient im saying the buckets he get in college seem easy………to easy …If I made a shot display of where hes gets the ball and where he scores on the floor…….then take a couple nba games and average it out how many times 4s score from the same spots…….. I bet williams would have ridiculous numbers and a higher scoring percentage then the average nba 4….. the thing about college you go against future doctors ,accountants, some journey men , some ballers the NBA is the BEST from college and around the world how many andrew bynum , howard,tysons,perkins, are there in college ? no one there no one to stop him from doing what he wants or team defenses stopin him from even catchin the ball where he wants its not that many true centers in the league let alone college….when he goes againt a nba front court and dominates or his team is above 500 and hes starting then you can talk about he was a worthy selection……I just dont see it right now when jared is the best big in the nation as a freshmen how could williams be the number one choice as of now?
0 - Posted on: Mon, 02/28/2011 - 2:44pm #502463
STEVEDOT2Participantwe will see what his real size is at the combine…..Im not saying hes not efficient im saying the buckets he get in college seem easy………to easy …If I made a shot display of where hes gets the ball and where he scores on the floor…….then take a couple nba games and average it out how many times 4s score from the same spots…….. I bet williams would have ridiculous numbers and a higher scoring percentage then the average nba 4….. the thing about college you go against future doctors ,accountants, some journey men , some ballers the NBA is the BEST from college and around the world how many andrew bynum , howard,tysons,perkins, are there in college ? no one there no one to stop him from doing what he wants or team defenses stopin him from even catchin the ball where he wants its not that many true centers in the league let alone college….when he goes againt a nba front court and dominates or his team is above 500 and hes starting then you can talk about he was a worthy selection……I just dont see it right now when jared is the best big in the nation as a freshmen how could williams be the number one choice as of now?
0 - Posted on: Mon, 02/28/2011 - 10:38pm #502680
Dale WorthingtonParticipantDerrick Williams looks more like a SF than a PF.
Love and A.I. were never tweeners.
You want a tweener…Elias Harris from Gonzaga is a tweener.
God, Alec Burks is gonna be so good.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 02/28/2011 - 10:38pm #502781
Dale WorthingtonParticipantDerrick Williams looks more like a SF than a PF.
Love and A.I. were never tweeners.
You want a tweener…Elias Harris from Gonzaga is a tweener.
God, Alec Burks is gonna be so good.
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