Derrick Rose recap
Derrick rose has the most talent and potential out of every PG in the NBA and i know some people might disagree but after watching his rookie yr and this past year its really hard to argue, and his play is the reason why a lot of people put him top 3 behind CP3 and D.will and its also the reason why a lot of people believe in 2 to 3 yrs he will be the best pg in the nba
I agree. He is evolving his game very quickly. From passive player to aggressive player. From a questionable jumpshot to a reliable shot out to 20ft. All in 2 years. He still won't average 10 ast a game like D-Wil or CP3 but he could average 25-7. Not sure how many guys besides LBJ, MJ, Wade and Oscar have done that.
He still won't average 10 ast a game like D-Wil or CP3 but he could average 25-7. Not sure how many guys besides LBJ, MJ, Wade and Oscar have done that.
Off the top of my head; Allen Iverson, Jerry West, John Havlicek, Nate Archibald and Clyde Drexler.
You're right 25-7 would definitly put him in some elite company. That being said if he Chicago gets a number one option to compliment him (like Bosh or STAT) I think he can average more than 8 assists per game although his scoring might suffer a bit.
i was thinking more like 24and 8or9 asp depending on the team around him in a yr or 2 but worst case scenario if they fail to put a team around him i think he would become more like Allen Iverson as far as scoring the ball, he is a better team oriented player then iverson but the kid wants to win at all costs and i could see him trying to do everything possible to win
Hey man... That's that boy right there lol. He's IT.
For Rondo to be such an elite defender, he sure struggles staying in front of Rose.
Just like I was saying in a thread yesterday... Wall doesn't have that change of gear/change of pace to his game and handle that Rose has. Not only does Rose have freak speed, quickness and athleticism... He also plays at different gears/paces and it just makes life difficult for whoever tries to defend him. I don't think Rose can be defended one on one.
Crazy how he had a huge bandwagon after his rookie year, then he went into that slump at the beginning of this year and people started saying he didn't get any better after his first year, he wont be as good as "we" thought.
Then out of nowhere he busted right back onto the scene and everybody joined the bandwagon again.
Im a huge Rondo fan, but I knew when I saw Rose playing in HS that he would become the best PG in the league in a couple years and the thought never slipped my mind even when he went into that slump where he wasn't playing that well.
behind MJ, and Pippen D.Rose will be easiley be the 3rd best all-time Chicago Bull ever.....
youngdave...he was nursing an injury at the beginning of the year. But yeah, I had to listen to all of my Milwaukee friends tell me how Jennings was WAY better than Rose. Their talking kept slowing down as the year went on though. Especially when I sent them this pic from the Sun-Times after Rose made the All-Star team..
I remember that all too well. Mr. 6000 said that Jennings would be better than Rose by the end of the year. Quincey Hodges wouldn't stop talking and jumping at every opportunity he could to lower Rose and say how much better Westbrook and Jennings were... And that Rose's injuries were just an excuse.
I remember hearing Rose couldn't do it without Ben Gordon, he couldn't shoot and he wasn't aggressive enough... That he didn't have what it took to lead a team or take over when the game mattered.
I was defending Rose non-stop saying he was injured and really missed majority of training camp, etc. I kept saying just wait until he gets healthy and his legs underneath him.
The funny thing is, that when Rose finally started taking over games and being aggressive... People like Quincey Hodges started saying, "Well... Um... Rose isn't a pass first point guard. He's a score first. He's not a good enough passer nor does he makes his teammates better like Westbrook or Jennings." Lol... Just a pure hard driven dedicated hater.
Tezo, I know...I was like 'Get healthy already!' just to shut everyone up. I may have been as frustrated as Rose.
I still think Jennings has a chance to be better than Rose honestly. Rondo is currently better as well.
Rose had a great season and improved on his biggest weaknesses, but I'll wait and see what he does with better talent before I'm ready to say he's the best PG in the NBA. From what I've seen though, even in college, is that he's not an elite distributor at PG, which is what he'll have to be for me to say he's the best. But hey, he's on his way to being a great PG no doubt.
thats funny how people say he isnt a good passer when he was in college but john wall is..rondo plays with better talent then every other PG in the and he is not better then paul or williams so that argument about we will wait to see how he does with better talent is dead, the only actually fact people have to use for rondo is that he avg 9 asp and 2spg 3 ast higher then rose on one of the best teams in the nba and 3 hof to make it easier for him
Jennings could be a better playmaker and defender but I still would rather have Rose who can totally dominate a team on offense and is solid at all the other things to be a complete point guard. Rondo just gives you more stats and he is a beast driving to the baskets. He was a beast slashing in college so that is nothing new. Rose just has that superstar quality that Rondo does not have yet. We will not get to see maybe until Rondo does not have the big 3. Imagine how many assist Rose could get if you replaced him with Rondo. That is the true test. I honestly believe Rose would be taken in a heartbeat for rondo if the trade ever was brought up.
It's even funnier that people use the excuse that Rondo is only good because he plays with 3 HOF's that (besides MAYBE Pierce) are all on the downsides of their career, and Rondo is the best and most valuable player on that team.
I don't think Rose is a worse playmaker than Wall was in college, but it's close. Wall just played more aggressive than Rose did in college and took more chances (the reason he got both more assists, and more TO's).
its not an excuse its facts where was rondo before the big 3 was put together, where was rondo in 2008 he got better because of the big three and he will have it easy until the big three is intact because you cant throw different defenses at him because of the big three and how much teams respect them no matter there age, also if rondo never played with the big 3 what would make him better then a players like TJ ford or jameer nelson, rondo is a good pg and a good compliment player IMO he will never be able to lead a mediocre or under 500 team to the playoffs
For one, he's a better playmaker than Ford is and a much better defender. Also has shown he's a better scorer.
He's also a much better playmaker and defender than Jameer Nelson. Nelson isn't even a true PG for the most part.
We don't know that. I think you have to have SOME talent to get to the playoffs, no PG can get a sorry team to the playoffs no matter how good they are. Give Rondo a good scorer worthy of being at least a 2nd option, and some role players and you'll be a playoff team.
Iggy, I think Jennings will be the better pure point guard in the Rondo mold. Jennings will always be better setting teammates up while Rose will always be better at taking over games himself. That is not to say that Jennings can't take over games or Rose can't set teammates up. They each just do one better than the other.
Yea, well put DanEBoy. That's basically what I was trying to say in regards to Jennings and Rose.
For Rondo using the big 3 right now is just an excuse. He is better then all 3 of them right now, but you can't say he would be this good if he hadn't been blessed to be in the position he was 3 years ago. He would be decent. Hey I hate Rondo, but he is really &$#%#&@! good. No matter what anyone says, still can't cover Rose though.
KG is a pretty important part of that team even on the downside of his career ... they went to 7 games with the bulls last year without him, definately a much better team with him ... and i still think people sleep on ray allen too much like he doesn't have anything left, one of the best moves of the season was boston not trading him --- i'm not trying to knock rondo because of who he plays with but the other guys on the celtics need to get their props too ...
... but this is just what happens when you play in the playoffs while everyone else is at home - same thing happens in football - best wide receiver in the league always seems to be ... whichever guy is performing best at the end of the season, sometimes guys just don't have the pieces around them to allow them to achieve that level of success at a team level, but when you do achieve it ... you deserve your props
i'm still taking rose though, 100 times out of 100
has too great shooters to kick it too at any point. pierce and allen three point percentage were prolly around 45% each or something rediculous about that. would you ever argue that rondo makes pierce or allen or garnett better............ no. he has a great will to win but is a product of a great system. they need a high motor guy to spend all the energy the old guys dont have. rondo is also a few more years older than rose. just wait to see what rose puts up next year with some talent around him
Butler and DanEBoy... I was still very active during that time of Jennings hype when they said he was better than Rose... I puked on that statement as well...
The bottom line is if a team has any of the pt. guards mentioned above they are are in great shape for years to come.
They all can make their respectives teams better and that is the ultimate compliment... it's not the stats they can accumulate that makes them valuable, Throw out the point totals....the points that matter from a PG are the ones that come at crunch time. The rest of time PG's are supose be setting the game tempo and creating opportunities for their teammates (occassionally scoring to keep th other team honest on def.).
Was Mark Jackson the best PG ever because of his assist totals?.... no, Is Tiny Archibald the best becasue of his pt. totals? no.... it's wins that separate the good from the great, not stats. Magic Johnson could score 10 pts. and dominate a game as could I. Thomas. They won won "big" and that is what made them great.
Of course Rondo makes the others better. The rest of the Celtics shoot the percentages they do because they don't have a hand in their face due to the pressure Rondo puts on the def..