[TomShoeParticipant]

 It looks like we may have a series folks. Rose just hurt his leg with 1 minute to go when the game was pretty much over.

Thibs just lost my COY vote. Why would Rose be out there when the game was over anyway? He plays his starters too much. Will this change the series? Will this be like the Ginobili injury that doomed the Spurs last year?

Talk about it.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

Really? You can’t blame Thibs.

Did you see the way Rose got injured? He wasn’t even touched. That was a simple jumpstop and his left knee buckled. That could’ve happened easily in the first, second or third quarter. That was going to happen regardless.

Tough loss though. Now, we’ll see just how "overcredited" Rose is because the Bulls are about to be without him for probably the remainder of the playoffs.

[WizardofOzParticipant]

Hopefully it’s just a hyperextension or nothing to severe.

[TomShoeParticipant]

 I’m blaming Thibs because Rose had no reason to be out there with the game just about over.

How hard is it to just send out John Lucas III or Mike James instead?

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

So do you really think that injury had anything to do with when Rose was in the game???

He could’ve easily suffered that injury a quarter or two earlier…

That was a move Derrick Rose has done 1,000,000 times. The fact it happened now just says that due to not playing as much this season, his leg muscles were probably a little weaker than normal.

That injury was going to happen regardless and that doesn’t take away from what Thibs has done for the Bulls this season.

 

[Toronto16Participant]

 @IndianaBasketball

That’s poor reasoning you gave.  The fact of the matter is Rose should not have been out there with the game in hand.  I understand he was close to a triple double and what not, but his health is the first priority.

[aamir543Participant]

Oh no, I was hoping it was just hyperextended, and he’d be back in a couple days, and it was reassuring that he was walking, but there was somthing about the way he hurt it that was a bit scary, and we’re no doctors, but Indiana Basketball does know somthing about knee injuries, so if he’s really out for the playoffs, I think the 76ers have a shot, but I still think they can get through them without D-Rose, but it’ll be tough, and I think Boston or Atlanta would be an even steeper challange without Rose, so I hope he’s ok, you really hate to see this to one of the guys that is the future of the league.

And with 1:30 remaining and a double digit lead, he had no reason to be out there, I know these things are out of the coach’s control, but you really can’t blame him for it.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

Poor reasoning?

First of all, it wasn’t like the Bulls were up 30.

Second of all, it wasn’t like he ran into someone. Or somebody fouled him hard and hurt him. This was a simple jumpstop. IF Rose can’t endure a simple jumpstop he’s done one million times, then it’s just not meant to be.

You can’t blame this on Thibs. That’s what’s poor…

[TomShoeParticipant]

I’m just saying that Thibs most likely needs to rest Rose as much as he can during this first series. They’re running into much more dangerous matchups like the Pacers, Thunder and Heat. They need to rest Rose so he can be ready and reduce the chances of injury throughout the rest of the playoffs. An injury like this, assuming Rose will be OK after this one, later in the series, can cripple the Bulls throughout the whole series. Thibs just needs to be more careful when it comes to his starters minutes. They’re called the Bench Mob for a reason, and there’s no excuse not to give them more minutes and save the starters when things are hitting the final minutes.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

I agree that Rose probably should’ve been on the bench with the game basically already decided.

But I don’t like the thought that Rose just being on the floor caused this injury. He was going to get that injury regardless. And I doubt this is an hyperextention. You don’t pull up lame like that and roll around on the floor like that with your eyes closed during just an hyperextention.

The fact is that Rose’s body didn’t hold up to the grind of this lockout season and he’s been injury prone. And when you’re injured and not playing, then try to come back and go at MVP level… That’s difficult and why Rose has kept getting injured. And when you get injured, it’s like a domino affect.

This injury today was the final domino. It was going to happen regardless. He wasn’t even touched. I mean, it just wasn’t meant to be.

[aamir543Participant]

Quote from Thibs about D-Rose still being in the game:

"I don’t work backward like you guys. The score was going the other way."

 

[DuncanRulesParticipant]

Poor Derrick Rose. We were expecting him to have a great follow up campaign after winning MVP last season and he just couldn’t hold up.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

Exactly and the last thing you want to do is give a pesky team momentum. You want to SQUASH them quickly because momentum can lead into the next game.

Placing any blame on Thibs for this is ridiculous…

[llperez]

Injuries suck and hopefully rose could maybe take 1 or 2 games off and come back. If he cant, i like philly to win this series. And i think thibs should have taken rose out simply casue of his health being an issue all season. But hindsite is always gonna look smart. Like indinana said, if rose is gonna get hurt on a basic play like that, it was bound to happen eventually then becasue his leg probably isnt right.

[TomShoeParticipant]

 Would’ve happened regardless? Nothing would have happened if he would have been on the bench instead of driving the lane during a runaway win.

When a player is on the court, injuries that happen are almost entirely random, but they can be influenced. The best way to reduce that chance of random injury is to not be on the course in the first place. 

I can imagine how Thibs distributes his minutes in the locker room.

"Okay Rose, I know you just got back from injury, but I need you to give me 50 good minutes out there."

[GrandmamaParticipant]

The Bulls were something like 17-8 without Rose. With or without Rose, they aren’t losing the series to Philadelphia.

[billykParticipant]

Oooooo snap, that sucks… I really wish him a speedy revovery if he tore his knee up!

[DuncanRulesParticipant]

According to Twitter Derrick Rose has torn his ACL and MCL. 

[Malik-UniversalParticipant]

saw the same thing on twitter…..

wouldnt be surprised if it was….

[JoeWolf1]

 This is terrible news, I went to the gym with about 3 min left because the game was wrapped up.  I don’t know if I believe twitter quite yet, I think they can get to the ECF without Rose, but probably won’t be able to get past Indiana or Miami.

[NbanflguyParticipant]

Basketball is like the one sport where starters seem to play all the time when the game is pretty much over. I always kind of get annoyed when watching the Wolves and Love or Rubio are out there when we are up 15 with like 1 minute left or down 15 with like a minute left. As a player I would not want to come out of the game in those situations, but the coach should do the smart thing and use the time to play reserves and not risk injury in a meaningless minute.

[SmooveKRYPTParticipant]

No way that was a hyperextension, his knee didn’t buckle forward or back. It bent inward from the side. That’s an MCL for sure, maybe ACL damage too. Hopefully they’re just sprained & not torn. Would be devastating if he’s lost for the playoffs.

[bennydabullParticipant]

 Twitter reports are false. He’s on his way to the hospital right now to get the MRI.

[MalcolmxParticipant]

 I hope this is not an ACL. An MCL can be repaired and he can be back kind of quick. I mean Iman Shumpert was a rookie and hurt his MCL and was back asap. same thing with Tyshawn Taylor this year against OHIO state he played while he was fresh off surgery. I really hope it is not ACL. This man is really humble and should not have to go threw that.

[joecheck88Participant]

 Wow!! Looks like it just happened to Shumpert too. Doesn’t look good. 

[Jlv2012]

Doesn’t really matter now.  Heat are going to the Finals.

[WizardofOzParticipant]

 Waiting to hear from a reputable source. Twitter can fool you a lot.

[dede21]

 maybe asians are not meant to play basketball they are always getting hurt aka the Yao Ming theory

[mbunner23Participant]

 Get rid of those adidas. 

[Wahoo757Participant]

Torn ACL. Poor Derrick Rose and poor Bulls fans, looks like they’ll have to wait another year.

[WizardofOzParticipant]

 It’s official. ESPN just reported that he has a torn ACL.

[FastAndFuriousParticipant]

 1. I agree both with IndianaBasketball and Tomshoe, Indiana’s right when he’s says you can’t blame this on coach Thibs, it was bound to happen Derrick’s body has been banged up all year, and this was the icing on the cake.

But I also agree with Tomshoe as well, if he wasn’t in the game he’s right he wouldn’t have got injured, now maybe it would have happened in game 2 or 3, but had he not been in the last 1:30 he would be playing Monday night.

2.I would feel really really bad for Derrick if he tore his ACL, his game is based on athleticism, I know he has alot of money and he can rehab like crazy and get the best personal trainers, but most guys are never the same after one of those injuries, they always play with caution after that and I would hate for that to happen to D.Rose.

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

Sh!t happens. Too bad it happened at all, but it could happen anytime to any player. You can’t plan for that.

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

Indiana, it’s simple.  Would Rose have torn his ACL if he was sitting on the bench?

[FastAndFuriousParticipant]

I agree, he’s out at least until March next year this isn’t one of those injuries you come back early from, you MUST rehab and get back 100% healthy, so he’s going to be gone for a while and then when he comes back he’s going to be very rusty.

[joecheck88Participant]

 Those of you that are saying the Bulls have to wait another year, do you think he will be 100% at any point next year? I do not think he will be 100% at any point next year and the Bulls need him there to compete for a championship. I think their title hopes are gOne until 2014. 

[aamir543Participant]

 TOl, a broken leg on a 4 man falling collision is different than a knee pop on a simple hop step. I agree that if it happened, there was already damage there and it was just waiting to burst, Thibs shouldn’t have left him in, but that wouldn’t solve the problem and the problem is that D-Rose had a bad knee, and it would’ve just happened during practice tommorow.

[joecheck88Participant]

 Even best case scenario it’s like 8 months. Which takes is to January. He won’t be 100% during any of that year. Plus, I don’t think Chicago will rush him back. At best, I see Rose getting into a few games at the end of the year off the bench just to get him up to some game speed and hope he is ready for the 13 14 season. 

[marcusfizer21Participant]

Knowing Derrick… He’s a fighter and pushes himself harder than anyone out there.. He’ll bounce back from this… God, why is this happening to such a great kid?

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

 You don’t just tear an ACL like that unless there’s already weakness in the leg. It was going to happen regardless. Derrick Rose tore his ACL because his leg was weak, not because he was on the floor with 1:10 left. It could’ve happened at practice or during warm ups. The fact is D. Rose’s body didn’t hold up to the grind. That’s it… Period.

This isn’t the 60s-70s. Rose will be fine. They’ll do that surgery quick and he’ll be rehabbing in no time. How well you return from ACL surgery depends on your work ethic during rehab and D. Rose has that. He won’t be ready for the start of next season and he prob won’t have his usual explosiveness for awhile, but he’ll regain 100% of it year two of the surgery. Baron Davis tore his back in college and he was still yamming it on big men. 

This season was a grind… This wasn’t D. Rose’s year. 

[marcusfizer21Participant]

thanks man.. I needed to hear that… D-Rose WILL BE FINE…

[thricethefunParticipant]

The D-Rose that we knew may be gone. Knee problems often don’t go away and players that rely that much on athleticism will often lose a step and no longer be as productive as they once were.

[Krypt14Participant]

Jesus…that is the weirdest ACL I’ve ever seen…thought from other comments that it was just a hyperextension, which for me is wat ended my bball career, my whole body just shotover my knee in a weird hyperextension…ended upgetting a stabbing pain in the tendon which turned out to be tendonitis. Hope DRose is back healthy soon, that’s 2 super talented PGs doing their ACL in a few months

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

@marcusfizer21

 

Yea, he’ll be fine. It’s not the end of the world, even though he’ll feel like it the next week or so. For the next week or so, it’ll be all about icing, elevating and reducing the pain. Then once the swelling/blood is gone and he has a little range of motion back (which is the best time to do the surgery), they’ll do the surgery.

 

How soon he comes back just depends on the methods his surgeons choose during and after surgery, and then how hard he attacks his rehab/heals.  I’m interested in what type of graph/ligament his surgeon will use… Will they just take a tendon from his own body (surgeons usually like to it from your patella tendon, but some don’t because they say it makes that part of your body weaker) or will they use a doner ligament (which surgeons think is stronger in the long run, but takes longer for your body to adapt to since it didn’t come from you)?  

 

Some surgeons prefer an immobilizer brace after surgery so you can keep the knee as straight as possible to help regain full leg extention. Some surgeons don’t prefer a brace that way the knee can begin moving as soon as possible to help range of motion. Both full extention and range of motion are major, so it’ll be interesting which route his surgeon takes. I also wonder if they’ll have him use a CPM machine, which is this motion machine that moves your knee for you to help range of motion.

 

He’ll be on crutches for about 2 weeks. He’ll probably begin his range of motion excercises, walking, riding a bike, etc about 1-2 weeks after surgery. During week 3 or 4, he’ll begin physical therapy excericses that’ll focus on strengthening the knee, etc. He’ll stick with that for about 2-3 weeks as his range of motion increases and then he’ll be able to start walking, light jogging, swimming, etc but no pivoting, cutting or playing ball yet. He’ll stick with that for the next 4-5 weeks. Then the next few months will be all about strengthening the knee and getting back to the game. When he returns just depends on when the knee is strong enough. He’ll feel good, but will have to be patient because he doesn’t want to return too soon and re-tear it.

 

This is 2012. Technology has improved and athletes get more advanced physical therapy. IF I had to guess, I’d say he’ll return in about 6-7 months. I think we’ll see him back on the floor in late Nov – early Dec. Latest would be early Jan, but I really think he’ll be back before then. He’ll start off a little slow and gain momentum throughout the season, but we’re not going to see some unathletic unrecognizable player. He’ll be looking like the player we’re used to by the time the playoffs roll around and then he’ll be at 100% of his usual self by the start of the following season.

[marcusfizer21Participant]

it’s just depressing to see the worst fears come true.. I’m totally depressed right now but I’m still keeping my heads up.. Everybody loves Derrick and would like to see him succeed and I think they are making sure he’ll get the best surgeons out there… I understand your knowledge of the ACL injury because you’ve experienced it before right? That’s a freakin’ long process to begin with, man… I hope to see him get 100% soon..

[PulseGlazerParticipant]

This really puts the Bulls dead in the water likely for the next 2-years.  What a damn shame.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

@marcusfizer21

Yea, I’ve torn mine, plus I’m pretty close to one of the best orthapedic surgeons in the world. Dr. Donald Shelbourne. He *specializes* in ACL injuries. He’s one of the first surgeons to began using the patellar tendon graph from the other knee to replace the injured ACL in the injured knee, instead of using a doner ligament. You can return from the injury FASTER if you use the patellar tendon graph from your own knee because your body (blood, cells, etc, etc) is obviously used to it and it won’t take as long to heal. It does make the patellar tendon in the other knee somewhat "weaker", but he’ll rehab to strengthen that too during his physical therapy. The main point of the physical therapy will be STRENGTH and then *preventative maintenance* in his knees and entire leg.

The Bulls should contact Dr. Shelbourne to do Rose’s surgery, plus lead his rehab. I can guarantee Rose would return sooner, PLUS stronger than he was before. Dr. Shelbourne would focus on what weaknesses in his legs caused the injury to begin with and prevent it from ever happening again.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

http://espn.go.com/chicago/nba/story/_/id/7873506/chicago-bulls-derrick-rose-visits-teammates-no-date-surgery-set

"He’s got to wait because they’re strengthening the quad and all that," Thibodeau said. "It will probably be clearer by the end of the week."

Good to read that they just didn’t rush in and have the surgery. They’re waiting for the swelling, blood, etc to clear up PLUS they’re working on strengthening his quad *before* they even do the surgery. This is smart… He’ll be back in no time.

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