[SkalAndJamalParticipant]

What do you guys think of him? I think he’s a prime example why you draft that young player who isn’t exactly ready to make a big impact in the league right away… But when he gets 22-23 he will and he’s still got a long career ahead of him. He’s a beast in the post and I feel like that’s kind of has been a lost art in the NBA. We used to have a league where there was a good amount of players in every position (e.g. Chauncey Billups and Kobe) that are able to post up and kill teams, now there’s a scarcity of bigs who can post.

[Anton123Participant]

I thought he’s rather an example of why you don’t draft a guy so not ready so early: because he only becomes a good player by the time his rookie contract is already up. With a third pick you can usually get a guy who’ll actually help you before he becomes expensive or leaves the team.

[OhCanada-Participant]

 It worked out well for Utah. I feel this is a perfect example of why not to give up on your lotto pick.

 Had he stayed with the Nets he probably would have been mismanaged and miscoached and could’ve been a Kwame Brown type of undeveloped bust but he got a chance to develop in Utah. Watching Millsap and Jefferson in a structured organization helped him.

It’s not like Favors wasn’t instantly productive. He was a little lost as a rookie but so was the rest of his team what do you expect. I was always in favor of Cousins but its not like Favors was a bad pick. He may not have been instantly productive like a Greg Monroe, or Demarcus Cousins (who only fell to the Kings because of his attitude) but everyone in the league knew he was raw, he was a high risk high reward pick.

As a nearly finished product there’s only 3 players in that draft I would rather have being Cuz, Wall and George. Monroe and Hayward are good as well and Gordon maybe better yet I’d take Favors. The "raw prospect with huge upside" label was completely true and he is developing into a great all around players.

In the beginning of his career he was used as an energy big off the bench. Now he is a good two way basketball player that can kill you on either end of the floor. In his sophomore year  17% of his shots came from 10/feet and out shooting 25% as compared to last year where 34% were from 10 feet and out shooting 37% which still needs work but shows drastic improvement.

He will continue to grow as a player and should become one of the elite players in the league at his position. He hasn’t even turned 25 yet which is why for the guys like Anthony Bennett, Alex Len, Cody Zeller, Noah Vonleh and Otto Porter as high upside players that may not have been given all the opportunity in the world to succeed and produce, or haven’t proven consistently they can produce their teams would not be wise to give up on them before they use their qualifying offers or get committed to a second long-term contract and would be smart to instead "develop your freakin prospects".

 

 

 

 

[OhCanada-Participant]

 It worked out well for Utah. I feel this is a perfect example of why not to give up on your lotto pick.

 Had he stayed with the Nets he probably would have been mismanaged and miscoached and could’ve been a Kwame Brown type of undeveloped bust but he got a chance to develop in Utah. Watching Millsap and Jefferson in a structured organization helped him.

It’s not like Favors wasn’t instantly productive. He was a little lost as a rookie but so was the rest of his team what do you expect. I was always in favor of Cousins but its not like Favors was a bad pick. He may not have been instantly productive like a Greg Monroe, or Demarcus Cousins (who only fell to the Kings because of his attitude) but everyone in the league knew he was raw, he was a high risk high reward pick.

As a nearly finished product there’s only 3 players in that draft I would rather have being Cuz, Wall and George. Monroe and Hayward are good as well and Gordon maybe better yet I’d take Favors. The "raw prospect with huge upside" label was completely true and he is developing into a great all around players.

In the beginning of his career he was used as an energy big off the bench. Now he is a good two way basketball player that can kill you on either end of the floor. In his sophomore year  17% of his shots came from 10/feet and out shooting 25% as compared to last year where 34% were from 10 feet and out shooting 37% which still needs work but shows drastic improvement.

He will continue to grow as a player and should become one of the elite players in the league at his position. He hasn’t even turned 25 yet which is why for the guys like Anthony Bennett, Alex Len, Cody Zeller, Noah Vonleh and Otto Porter as high upside players that may not have been given all the opportunity in the world to succeed and produce, or haven’t proven consistently they can produce their teams would not be wise to give up on them before they use their qualifying offers or get committed to a second long-term contract and would be smart to instead "develop your freakin prospects".

 

 

 

 

[Anton123Participant]

I thought he’s rather an example of why you don’t draft a guy so not ready so early: because he only becomes a good player by the time his rookie contract is already up. With a third pick you can usually get a guy who’ll actually help you before he becomes expensive or leaves the team.

[JR RyderParticipant]

His career is exactly what scouts and mostly everyone projected him to be, an Al Horford type PF. It took a little longer than expected but he has become just that.

As far as growth, Im not sure if he still getting better even tho he is still young.

[JR RyderParticipant]

His career is exactly what scouts and mostly everyone projected him to be, an Al Horford type PF. It took a little longer than expected but he has become just that.

As far as growth, Im not sure if he still getting better even tho he is still young.

[Stop_basketball_nonsenseParticipant]

 Dude. I feel u were made to come on here so I can poke holes in your posts. Favors is a pretty good player now but it took him a long time to get there for the pick he was selected at. Now I will say when u look at the last couple drafts, especially since 2011 as each year goes buy with each draft more and more guys are coming in not prepared and taking longer and like longer to develop. Also why would you want anyone to be an example of a player being drafted who isn’t ready to contribute right away? 

I think most teams who draft in the top part of the draft hope their getting guaranteed talent that can not only produce right away but can still have a long career. I think this new wave of improperly coached, super athletes actually puts teams at the mercy by having to guess so much on what they will become when they finally are a finished product, on top of teams having to wait for the players even longer than in the 90s and before before than can contribute at all. ((I will say this at times its a smart thing to draft a player who has a lot of potential for later years to come, who isn’t ready draft year,)) but most these players in the last couple years fall into that box. Potential, potentially, could be seems to be said more and more on draft day.

I think.Kenny the jet smith said it best when I was watching a doubleheader on tnt one night. Im paraphrasing" when i played it was mandatory that when a guy came in he could shoot, dribble, pass, defend now all of a sudden when a player comes in who can do these things their special."

I will agree with one thing u said guys who can post up effectively is becoming a lost skill, although with all the big man greats to play in this league you use kobe and billups, 2 guards, as your examples! Wasn’t Shaq and Yao just in the league not to long ago? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Stop_basketball_nonsenseParticipant]

 Dude. I feel u were made to come on here so I can poke holes in your posts. Favors is a pretty good player now but it took him a long time to get there for the pick he was selected at. Now I will say when u look at the last couple drafts, especially since 2011 as each year goes buy with each draft more and more guys are coming in not prepared and taking longer and like longer to develop. Also why would you want anyone to be an example of a player being drafted who isn’t ready to contribute right away? 

I think most teams who draft in the top part of the draft hope their getting guaranteed talent that can not only produce right away but can still have a long career. I think this new wave of improperly coached, super athletes actually puts teams at the mercy by having to guess so much on what they will become when they finally are a finished product, on top of teams having to wait for the players even longer than in the 90s and before before than can contribute at all. ((I will say this at times its a smart thing to draft a player who has a lot of potential for later years to come, who isn’t ready draft year,)) but most these players in the last couple years fall into that box. Potential, potentially, could be seems to be said more and more on draft day.

I think.Kenny the jet smith said it best when I was watching a doubleheader on tnt one night. Im paraphrasing" when i played it was mandatory that when a guy came in he could shoot, dribble, pass, defend now all of a sudden when a player comes in who can do these things their special."

I will agree with one thing u said guys who can post up effectively is becoming a lost skill, although with all the big man greats to play in this league you use kobe and billups, 2 guards, as your examples! Wasn’t Shaq and Yao just in the league not to long ago? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Anton123Participant]

By the way, fun fact, Derrick Favors has spent 5 full seasons in the NBA and is only 3 months older than Kyle Collinsworth.

[wonzi_bellsParticipant]

 Kyle Collinsworth did a mission, so I don’t know if that means anything. The guy goes to BYU.

[wonzi_bellsParticipant]

 Kyle Collinsworth did a mission, so I don’t know if that means anything. The guy goes to BYU.

[Anton123Participant]

By the way, fun fact, Derrick Favors has spent 5 full seasons in the NBA and is only 3 months older than Kyle Collinsworth.

[GBeeParticipant]

 He’s not really a beast in the post.  He shot 38% and scored .78 points per possession in post up situations. Facing up he’s only slightly better at 41% and .83.  He shoots jumpers at a 36% clip. He’s not a good passer either, being slow on his recognition. So what all that tells me is that he should probably be used as a finisher more instead of just feeding him the ball and letting him go to work.

Him not being all that great offensively doesn’t surprise me since he was so raw and kinda clunky (especially his footwork) of a player.  Him being as mediocre defensively as he is is what surprises me, since him being an anchor was what he was expected to be even if his offensive game never really blossomed into becoming a go to player.  His instincts just aren’t great and he’s slow to react.  I know Kanter gets a lot of grief for his defense, but Favors isn’t a good defender either and he was supposed to be THE anchor.  Good thing they got Gobert there to handle that now.

Overall, not that impressed. Slightly above averge starting PF in this era IMO.  He’s no Horford that’s for sure and probably won’t ever be.  His intangibles are lacking.

[wonzi_bellsParticipant]

 Yeah, I just about to say that looking at his post-up numbers on the NBA’s play-type stats. Nevertheless, he’s good enough as an offensive option. One of the elite pick-and-roll big men in the league and last year, he showed glimpses of extending his range.

But he’s a good defensive player. I don’t know why you said he was bad. 

Anyways, it’s weird hearing the Horford comparison. I’ve never heard anyone say that about him, even before he was drafted. I do remember people saying he could be the next Dwight Howard. 

 

 

 

 

[OhCanada-Participant]

 

I remember people saying he is the next Josh Smith when he was playing HS ball in Atlanta before Georgia Tech. Then I watched him play and I realized they only made that comparison due to the athletisism and Atlanta connections. Although I do remember him being compared to Horford as well pre draft because of his height, frame, mobility and potential.

[OhCanada-Participant]

 

I remember people saying he is the next Josh Smith when he was playing HS ball in Atlanta before Georgia Tech. Then I watched him play and I realized they only made that comparison due to the athletisism and Atlanta connections. Although I do remember him being compared to Horford as well pre draft because of his height, frame, mobility and potential.

[GBeeParticipant]

 Here’s a good breakdown of what he is defensively

http://bballbreakdown.com/2014/11/28/derrick-favors-isnt-who-we-thought-he-was-and-thats-just-fine/

Slow recognition on rotations, doesn’t do his work early in the post and can get outworked physically. Good thing he doesn’t have to try to be the anchor anymore.

[GBeeParticipant]

 Here’s a good breakdown of what he is defensively

http://bballbreakdown.com/2014/11/28/derrick-favors-isnt-who-we-thought-he-was-and-thats-just-fine/

Slow recognition on rotations, doesn’t do his work early in the post and can get outworked physically. Good thing he doesn’t have to try to be the anchor anymore.

[wonzi_bellsParticipant]

Well, that was early in the year. I agree with the article about how he probably isn’t an anchor but even they’re not saying his bad. Merely good, not great.

And with his not being the anchor anymore as Gobert is there. They’ve put up some of the best rim protection and pick-and-roll defensive stats last year in the second half.

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/quin-snyder-on-process-patience-and-how-an-elite-defense-is-built/

 

 

[wonzi_bellsParticipant]

Well, that was early in the year. I agree with the article about how he probably isn’t an anchor but even they’re not saying his bad. Merely good, not great.

And with his not being the anchor anymore as Gobert is there. They’ve put up some of the best rim protection and pick-and-roll defensive stats last year in the second half.

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/quin-snyder-on-process-patience-and-how-an-elite-defense-is-built/

 

 

[GBeeParticipant]

 No, not good. Mediocre.  A big man who is not a good post defender and is slow on rotations = not good.  His dRAPM after the season was -.93, which puts him around the Meyers Leonard’s of the league in terms of defensive impact.  Would you consider Meyers Leonard good defensively? I know I wouldn’t.  His defensive inadequacies are due to his intangibles.  Slow recognition, not doing his work early, not being physical, going for blocks instead of straight up contests (which IMO is the better way to challenge shots because it leaves him less suceptible to fouls and it’s easier to maintain rebounding position). He doesn’t even close out defensive possessions well, being a mediocre defensive rebounder (60th in the league in DRB%). It’s gonna take longer than half a season to rid himself of those flaws, if he does at all.

The latter part is the Gobert, no Kanter effect. Gobert can cover the paint on his own.

 

[GBeeParticipant]

 No, not good. Mediocre.  A big man who is not a good post defender and is slow on rotations = not good.  His dRAPM after the season was -.93, which puts him around the Meyers Leonard’s of the league in terms of defensive impact.  Would you consider Meyers Leonard good defensively? I know I wouldn’t.  His defensive inadequacies are due to his intangibles.  Slow recognition, not doing his work early, not being physical, going for blocks instead of straight up contests (which IMO is the better way to challenge shots because it leaves him less suceptible to fouls and it’s easier to maintain rebounding position). He doesn’t even close out defensive possessions well, being a mediocre defensive rebounder (60th in the league in DRB%). It’s gonna take longer than half a season to rid himself of those flaws, if he does at all.

The latter part is the Gobert, no Kanter effect. Gobert can cover the paint on his own.

 

[wonzi_bellsParticipant]

 Yeah, I just about to say that looking at his post-up numbers on the NBA’s play-type stats. Nevertheless, he’s good enough as an offensive option. One of the elite pick-and-roll big men in the league and last year, he showed glimpses of extending his range.

But he’s a good defensive player. I don’t know why you said he was bad. 

Anyways, it’s weird hearing the Horford comparison. I’ve never heard anyone say that about him, even before he was drafted. I do remember people saying he could be the next Dwight Howard. 

 

 

 

 

[GBeeParticipant]

 He’s not really a beast in the post.  He shot 38% and scored .78 points per possession in post up situations. Facing up he’s only slightly better at 41% and .83.  He shoots jumpers at a 36% clip. He’s not a good passer either, being slow on his recognition. So what all that tells me is that he should probably be used as a finisher more instead of just feeding him the ball and letting him go to work.

Him not being all that great offensively doesn’t surprise me since he was so raw and kinda clunky (especially his footwork) of a player.  Him being as mediocre defensively as he is is what surprises me, since him being an anchor was what he was expected to be even if his offensive game never really blossomed into becoming a go to player.  His instincts just aren’t great and he’s slow to react.  I know Kanter gets a lot of grief for his defense, but Favors isn’t a good defender either and he was supposed to be THE anchor.  Good thing they got Gobert there to handle that now.

Overall, not that impressed. Slightly above averge starting PF in this era IMO.  He’s no Horford that’s for sure and probably won’t ever be.  His intangibles are lacking.

[Rip255]

 Yeah post above is right. Slightly above average…which is nothing to complain about. Hes gonna be a top 10 PF in his prime but I’m not going to buy his jersey anytime soon.

The real future star of that team just went down with an acl..

 

[sitlbitoParticipant]

 I’m pretty sure the real future star of that team is playing for his french national team right now and has a 9’9 standing reach.

[sitlbitoParticipant]

 I’m pretty sure the real future star of that team is playing for his french national team right now and has a 9’9 standing reach.

[Rip255]

 Yeah post above is right. Slightly above average…which is nothing to complain about. Hes gonna be a top 10 PF in his prime but I’m not going to buy his jersey anytime soon.

The real future star of that team just went down with an acl..

 

[JordanC20Participant]

 I am a fan of Favors and think that he’ll have a long career in the NBA but I’ll always remember him as "The guy that got drafted before DeMarcus Cousins"

[JordanC20Participant]

 I am a fan of Favors and think that he’ll have a long career in the NBA but I’ll always remember him as "The guy that got drafted before DeMarcus Cousins"

[raybeasParticipant]

I’d have to put him 5th currently behind Wall, Cousins, PGeorge, and Hayward, slightly ahead (maybe) of Bledsoe and Monroe.

[raybeasParticipant]

I’d have to put him 5th currently behind Wall, Cousins, PGeorge, and Hayward, slightly ahead (maybe) of Bledsoe and Monroe.

[BiggaveliiiParticipant]

 He just turned 24 and his per 36 min numbers are pretty solid for his position, especially on defense. Hes not gonna be better a player than Big Cuz, but hes humble i feel that he can be a valuable piece on a championship team, him and gobert in the low post isnt even fair defensively. Favors is definetly gonna need to improve his midrange game, but i dont blame him for how hes developed, rather he was stuck in a system run by ty corbin now think about that for a second. What happens when ty corbin leaves, Favors puts together a strong season.  Hes a stud i would kill to have him on the Raps

[BiggaveliiiParticipant]

 He just turned 24 and his per 36 min numbers are pretty solid for his position, especially on defense. Hes not gonna be better a player than Big Cuz, but hes humble i feel that he can be a valuable piece on a championship team, him and gobert in the low post isnt even fair defensively. Favors is definetly gonna need to improve his midrange game, but i dont blame him for how hes developed, rather he was stuck in a system run by ty corbin now think about that for a second. What happens when ty corbin leaves, Favors puts together a strong season.  Hes a stud i would kill to have him on the Raps

[bloodshyParticipant]

Overall I think Favors is underrated at this point. Last year he was #6 among all PFs and #25 in the NBA overall in win share. He also had a 21.86 PER on the year. I’m not trying to say those stats are everything, but mediocre players simply do not achieve those types of numbers over the course of a season and several people in this thread pegged Favors as mediocre or worse. Favors is not a star at this point and, though he is still very young, may never be. However, he is a solid player on both sides of the court and his overall productivity is more than solid. Additionally, he is a phenominal teamate, which adds its own value.

 

 

[bloodshyParticipant]

Overall I think Favors is underrated at this point. Last year he was #6 among all PFs and #25 in the NBA overall in win share. He also had a 21.86 PER on the year. I’m not trying to say those stats are everything, but mediocre players simply do not achieve those types of numbers over the course of a season and several people in this thread pegged Favors as mediocre or worse. Favors is not a star at this point and, though he is still very young, may never be. However, he is a solid player on both sides of the court and his overall productivity is more than solid. Additionally, he is a phenominal teamate, which adds its own value.

 

 

[HitsterParticipant]

 Derrick was brought along slowly behind Paul Millsap and Al Jefferson, then we had the issue of him and Kanter not being able to play together. But luckily Utah now have Rudy Gobert to anchor the defence so Favours can play around him now.

Derrick was the youngest guy virtually in his draft year so still has good upside, he’s on a far more reasonable contract than a lot of bigs notably former team mate Kanter.

Also I noticed he put up 30ppg last year in 30.8mpg which was slightly better than the more hyped Greg Monroe did.

 

 

[HitsterParticipant]

 Derrick was brought along slowly behind Paul Millsap and Al Jefferson, then we had the issue of him and Kanter not being able to play together. But luckily Utah now have Rudy Gobert to anchor the defence so Favours can play around him now.

Derrick was the youngest guy virtually in his draft year so still has good upside, he’s on a far more reasonable contract than a lot of bigs notably former team mate Kanter.

Also I noticed he put up 30ppg last year in 30.8mpg which was slightly better than the more hyped Greg Monroe did.

 

 

[King CaluchaParticipant]

He’s a solid player. Do I want him on my team? Probably, yes. He’s never going to be a star, though. He’s a solid role player and he will probably end up his career as such.

[King CaluchaParticipant]

He’s a solid player. Do I want him on my team? Probably, yes. He’s never going to be a star, though. He’s a solid role player and he will probably end up his career as such.

[TyroberParticipant]

 I love Derrick Favors. He isn’t the flashy allstar but he plays hard and helps his team win. Hes above average at just about everything and that’s a guy every team would love to have suit up for them. Like others have said he may have taken a little bit longer to develop, but thats usually the case with most big guys so its not really a problem in my eyes.

[TyroberParticipant]

 I love Derrick Favors. He isn’t the flashy allstar but he plays hard and helps his team win. Hes above average at just about everything and that’s a guy every team would love to have suit up for them. Like others have said he may have taken a little bit longer to develop, but thats usually the case with most big guys so its not really a problem in my eyes.

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