DeMar Derozan's Progression
The day DeMar Derozan was drafted he was hyped as the next "Vince Carter" and "the player with the most potential in the draft" he was given huge expectations from the get go. His rookie year was short of spectacular but an all-around solid performance considering his expectations. DeMar displayed great athletisism, and solid defensive skills, but the skill that impressed me the most from Derozan was his abillity to play within the system and resisiting the temptation to use his superb athletisism and newly found mid-range jumper out of content. He also carries himself considerably well for a 21 year old and speaks well when pressured by the media.
This summer he showed why he was drafted so high and considered a top prospect by NBA scouts. DeMar showed improvements all across the board in his game and his skillset definitely expanded. With the Raptors making additions at the wing position adding Linas Klieza, and Leandro Barbosa, Derozans playing time was not known to be a solid increase. Many people wondered if the skills he learned would translate where it matters, in the NBA.
DeMars game has be very solid this early into the season. Although the comparison seems silly, he 'has' played like a "young" Vince Carter, but more fundimentals, and less flash, and also despite his great athletisism he will never be the athlete Vince was. He comes off screens well for quick-mid range jumpers, or to create at the top of the 3-point arch. He also runs the fastbreak well, and cuts to the basket well. DeMar has been very consistant attacking the basket and shown great body control. It is evident his 3-point shot has improved just by watching his form, he is going to miss alot this year but towards the end of the year he should have respect all the way to the 3 point range which should make him even more dangerous.
His 16-points per game in such limited minutes and touches is phonemenal considering he was expected to prgress slowly this season. He is currently taking about 10 shots per game shooting 50% from the field and 25% from 3.Many people say he needs to provide more then just scoring but 3.5 rebounds per game is not too bad considering he only plays 28 minutes per game. The leagues 2nd best rebounding SG is Andre Igoudala and he averages about 5.5 in 38 minutes per game. Derozan has shown the abillity to make some exciting defensive plays such as blocks and steals, although he hasnt been locking down perimeter players, and needs to gain some of the focus he had last year.As for playmaking he has proved to be able to create off the dribble, but the system Toronto is playing doesnt have Derozan as a primary ballhandler "yet".
If you are in keeper fantasy leagues pick him up for cheap ASAP. DeMar will be an allstar in this league eventually. If you are a Raptor's fan pray BC signs Weems to some kind of 5 year deal and makes it tough for DeMar to leave when its contract time, the Raps cannot afford to lose another star.
I would love to see him add a perimeter game, which would possibly make him deadly in the near future once he reaches his peak.
He can shoot from 3 now, he just needs to learn how to do it confedently in games consistantly. He hit a nice buzzer beater over a contesting Raja Bell.
How's his handle coming along?
How's his handle coming along?
His handle has improved immensely considering that he's attempting 6.3 fts per game in just 28 minutes. What I'm not understanding now is why is that he's only playing 28 minutes a night on average. DeRozan along with Bargnani are the future of the Toronto Raptors. It'll be interesting how he progresses throughout the season. He's looking superb even though he's playing with a dislocated finger.
Watch out if he gets too good Knicks fan will try to claim him
how can you say he can shoot the three now?..he hasnt proven he can do that hes 1-4. he doesnt shoot the three because hes not a good three point shooter right now. his midrange has gotten better but teams will still give him that. most of his points come from fast breaks and close to the rim shots
For instance his shot is probally money in a more comfortable enviroment like practice, or a scrimmage, but in an Nba game he isnt comfortable or used to shooting from 3 consistantly. His form, stance and everything is good he is just kinda hesitant and he needs more gametime experience.
that can be said about many nba players though. unless someone does it in the game its liek not having the ability to do it at all. but he really cant shoot right now thats pretty much a fact. im sure he will get better at it but hes not a good shooter
Why are you so bitter. He can shoot, he just isnt consistant. Those are the facts. His rotation is good, his arch is good, he sets his feet well, he has good form but he needs to understand he can do this consistanntly and not hesitate or be afraid to miss. when he gets more in game experience he will be better. I said he is going to miss many shots while he is getting experience, who cares if many players ar ein the same situation this is DeMars situation in a thread about DeMar and that is how I think his shot is looking. The fact that he has taken 4 shots this year should be encouraging to any of his fans, because that is showing he is gaining confidence in his game. DeMar is not the type of player to play outside of his game, and Jay Triano is definitely not the type of coach to let him so they must have confidence in his jumper. Teams arent giving him the midrange shot wtf are you talking about.
its not bitter its realistic..he can shoot based on what?..you say those are the facts then what is that based on?..maybe my facts are wrong i go by what a player shows in a game and season (last season and so far this season)
you have to know how to seperate youre love for youre team or player from reality
i can say dfisher is great at driving to the whole and finishing. reality is he isnt and i can admit that even though the lakers are my team. thats reality and im not gonna make excuses to try to make him a good driver/finisher
Honestly did you read what I said...I think you should read it. I actaully said he is going to miss alot of shots before he gets a consistant 3 point jumper, what isnt realistic about that. His form is good thats what this is based on. Honestly I dont get what you are missing here. Seems like youre just looking for an arguement.
'He can shoot from 3 now, he just needs to learn how to do it confedently in games consistantly"
in reality he cant shoot the three now. thats what you wrote right? that he can shoot the three when in reality he cant
my point is right now he is not a good shooter. thats a fact. he can get better but right now hes not a good shooter he's no real threat. ive been saying that the whote time are you reading what ive been saying?
plus you said
"He can shoot, he just isnt consistant. Those are the facts"
where are the facts that he can shoot?..if you arent consistant then you cant shoot. facts are based on things so what are you basing this on?..having good form and not being consistant doesnt make a player a good shooter.
Since you like posting about your team a lot.....post a thread breaking down each player individually for us to better help learn/know about them........I'm quite sure you have the free time on your hands.
I think a ton of NBA players can drill threes in practice. Doing it during a game is another story.
But hes not a good shooter yet, he just has good form and is showing good potential on his shot. Once he can consistantly knock down the jumper he will be a good shooter. He did it in Summer League, and he has stated he was working on it all Summer and has improved. I said he would miss StanfordHoops. I didnt say hes gonna be knocking down 2 3pointers a game at 40%, I said its coming. Hes 21. Alot of layer can score, just not consistantly, that doesnt mean they cant score at this level, it means they cant score consistantly. Consistancy is the key to having a complete skill and thats why I stated he needs to add that consistancy, WHAT ARENT YOU GETTING. If I never said he needs to be more consistant at the 3-point line then his 3 point shot wouldnt be a part of his game he needs to improve on, but it is a part of his game he needs to improve on. Youre arguing because I said his form is good? What are you trying to say, Im being a biast fan for saying he needs consistancy on his 3 point shot, come on man. I think youre just mad I made "yet another" post about the Raps and Canadian basketball. I think youre just trying to ruin the coming out party of DeMar Derozan. The fact is his jumper is coming along much better then anyone expected, and he is going to have 3 point range in this league. He just needs more experience. Now im done awnsering to your ridiculous comments. SMH.
His highest ceiliing to me is Richard Jefferson, I just don't see him having the skill-set to be a perenial All-Star Guard/Forward. He will be a border line All-Star player throughout his career, which is not a bad thing. But people in Canada expecting he will be a star or a top 5 SG/SF in this league is sadly mistaken.
Honestly Memphistyga I do have time on my hands, but Im not gonna waste it listing all the horrible attributes the players on this Raptors team have presented. What do you want to know, the fact that every PG who plays the Raptors has a chance to have the best game of his career. Or that every C that plays the Raps is capable of getting 20 rebounds. That the wings wont close out on shooters. Barbosa is a worse fit on this tea IMO then Turkoglu, and although we get a cap dump the best thing for the Raps would be if Barbosa didnt play for the rest of the season to extend Derozan, Weems and Kliezas mintes. Did you wanna know how the leader and best player on the team right now is Reggie Evans.
Its not working out so well but we have some bright spots. Dorsey looks like a very intruging6 foul type of grunge guy. Evans has value on a team looking for toughness. Davis is going to get alot of run the way things are going. Bargnani is a premiere scorer and a great 1st option if the Raps can get a very good and large post scorer and defender at C. Weems is a very versatile scorer and could be a great option off the bench and an excellent scoring punch, its too bad the Raps got Barbosa.
In all the team sucks, it is definitely time to integrate Derozan as a primary scoring option.
but he'll be getting his share of time/shots next year...They are going to get a Very good pick this year and I see them doing one of two things...Drafting 1 of 3 rookie Pg's...Irving, Knight or Selby...or trading the pick for Ricky Rubio...
If they win a top 3 pick It becomes Barnes...Jones...or Irving ? ? ?...I'd honestly be trying to trade for Wilson Chandler if I was the Raps...I think they have 2 first rounders and a huge Trade Exception from Miami...If they get into the Mix and get Chandler/Curry for a 1st rounder( Not the Raps 2011 pick, that's for Kyrie Irving or Brandon Knight) and Barbosa...The Knicks get the Blur and a 2011 first rounder...
Thats your opinion and your entitled to it mess ee. Jefferson is a very good player and has had a very good carreer and Raps fans should be very pleased with that comparison. People forget when Jefferson was in his 4rth year he averaged 22-ppg, 7-rpg and 4-apg until he suffered a horrible injury. He was only about 25 and just entering his prime.
The way I see it this year in a Bad Year/Great Pick scenario...The Raps need a PG or SF...and having some Size at Center wouldn't hurt either...
Pg...That pick the Raps get will be a sure fire top 7 pick...Having the Blur jacking up and racking up loses is a good thing...Now you know the Top 3 PG's in this class are all very good NBA prospects...And If one of them is gone and the Wolves are interested in an other player, trading for Rubio becomes an option...I'm banking on Kyrie Irving in Raptors Red...
Sf...Barbosa expiring and The Miami pick you got in the Bosh Sign and Trade is like Gold to the Knicks...Chandler would be a very nice fit in Toronto...The Knicks would love to reunite The Blur,Amare and D'Antoni...They're eyeing Melo in Free Agency and getting a player that fits their style and 1st rounder would be a good move for NY...Barbosa would sign for cheap in NY...allowing NY to get Melo and save for Paul...also adding a 1st rounder to find young players...
A line up of Irving-Derozen-Chandler-Bargnani-Alabi-Davis-Weems-Calderon-Dorsey-Jack is not boring...and if they suck...Andre Drummond in 2012 to play Center...You can also reach out and overpay for Tyson Chandler or Greg Oden...they're free agents and with T.Dot's cash they can get one of those guys signed...
I dont think the Raps will get a Top 3 pick, they already had that and grabbed Bargnani. I think the "Draft Lottery" will not let them have such a high selection.
What's your take on .......
RJ or Mini Vince....he needs time to devolope some more ball handling/isolation skills but with a Franchise Pg making it easy he'll look awesome...I'd love for this team to get a Player like Wilson Chandler/Thad Young/Nic Batum...they'll be way better next year with a top Pg Prospect and Sf via Trade(Barbosa's expiring deal and Mia 1st rounder)...They also have the Cash to sign a good Center...Ty Chandler and Greg Oden are the big names but Sam Dalembert would be ideal( he's played for Canada and fit's that defender/mentor role for guys like Davis/Dorsey and Alabi....he'd also be cheaper than Chandler and Oden...
Cavs are playing hard...Clippers will come around...Sixers will turn it around too ( although I'm praying for a top 5 pick too.. ) Pistons are the only team that may finish worst off then the Raps...I think they may get the 1st pick this year...So that leaves
Cavs...Not getting a PG...They need a Sg and Sf...William Buford, Perry Jones and Alec Burks are my best bets...But I can see them going Big and getting Sullinger or Kanter...
Clippers need a Sf or Sg...cant see them drafting a pg...they are likely to go with a Perry or Terrence Jones...
Sixers will not draft Pg...they need a Sf/Pf or C...Perry,Sully,Kanter and Fab Melo are the guys on their radar...
If the Rockets get a top 5 to 7 pick I cant see them draft Pg either...they'll go Sf or Center...The Jones boys and Melo are high on their list...
Name some potentialy Bad Teams...The Bobcats are a team I see drafting Pg or Center...The Wizards will draft Sf or Pf...
Saying he is playing like a "young" Vince Carter seems like an optimistic fan to me. I like DeRozen as a player, but lets not forget Vince was an 18 pt scorer as a rooke and dropping 24 a night by his 2nd year. No one would be comparing him to Vince Carter if he weren't playing for the Raptors.
DeMar DeRozan at this point has not shown me anything. He got outplayed by Landry Fields this season already.
At best, he's looking like a Tony Allen type dude.
Marcus Banks- Hasnt played
Ed Davis- Hasnt played
Julian Wright- Hasnt played
Jose Calderon- Is still running the offense the way it was ran with Chris Bosh because thats all he knows, he has to get used to not playing with Chris. Bosh really helped Calderon be as successful and efficent as he is and this Season Calderons decision making on the offensdive end has been very suspect. Calderon needs to find ways to get players more involved in the offence like Weems, Derozan and Barbosa. Defense is horrible.
Amir Johnson- Foul trouble is plauguing this young Forward yet he has shown to be very skilled and versatile. He can fill up the stat sheet and be effective all across the board if he is staying out of foul trouble and getting big minutes. It doesnt seem like it is going to happen anytime soon. He still has good potential and considering the Raps would like to keep the Young Ones and finally not impede the rebuilding process of this franchise keeping Johnson was imperative to Torontos longterm success in showing they are committed to their players.
Sonny Weems- Seems Weems is feeling the pressure Toronto's media has placed on him to perform well, and is trying to do way too much out there. He is not looking confident in his shot and looks kinda shaky. This will all go away soon and was evident when he scored a career high 24 points in Utah the other night. Although the majority of the points were in garbage time he showed the abillity to get to the line and post up smaller gaurds while sticking the mid-range jumper. His jumper is still inconsistant but when he shakes off the rust he should prove to be a dangerous weapon. Instant offence, and gets to the foul line at will.
Anoher note to make is that Barbosa doesnt play well with Derozan or Weems but plays well with Klieza. So it maybe smart to find a way to fix the rotation. This is whats been going on early in the season.
Derozan is usually the first wing out of the game replaced by Barbosa.. Then Weems will come on for Klieza.
Klieza should be the first wing out of the game replaced by Weems and then Barbosa should come in for Derozan because Derozan and Weems play great together and the young players really should get an extended role on this team.
he's not the number 1 guy there yet...Give him 2 years he'll be a 20 point guy...He's not VC or TMac...but he can get his in Toronto...They need a Franchise Pg from this draft...They also need to make a move for Wilson Chandler and Eddie Curry's contract...Barbosa and That 1st rounder from Mia should about do it...The Knicks could use The Blur and The Raps could use Wilson as their starting Sf...
Scarecrow he will be a 20 point per game guy at the end of this year. Toronto really sucks man, and Derozan is making 16-ppg off of 10 shots per game. If you watch him play he is really impressive, they arent really calling any plays for him, he isnt forcing the offense he just finds the ball in the flow of the system and scores. When they start setting plays for him he will be really good. I think if Barbosa, Klieza or Bargnani gets injured at anytime this season you will see Derozan emerge as a very talented scorer.
struggle this year while playing the young guys...Draft Kyrie Irving with a top 5 pick, trade for Wilson Chandler using Barbosa and Miami's pick...Sign Dalembert in Free Agency....maybe get Drummond in 2012???
They definitely do not need a wing player like Barnes or Perry, but if they can get a C like Kanter or even a low post player like Sulklinger, or get a PG that specializes in creating like Kyrie Irving they would be greatly benifited.
Demar Derozan plays nothing like Vince Carter. That comparison has ALWAYS been ridiculous to me. He's quite a few notches less athletic than Carter, nowhere near as good a pure scorer, not the shooter, and he competes harder on D. He also can't post up like Carter.
Mess.esse's comparison to Richard Jefferson as a best case scenario is right on the money. Derozan can't shoot, although he has some ability as a mid-range player. I think he'll improve to respectability on his 3 ball, but he'll never be able to score off the dribble as well as Carter has. Derozan is a mediocre ball-handler at best. Him putting up empty numbers on a bad Raptors team doesn't change the fact that he's not as good as your overrating him.
When people compare him to vince they usually forget that vince was 23 when he was a rookie, Demar is still only 21. I really llike the Richard Jefferson comparison, that one makes alot of sense.
Landry Fields did not outplay Derozan, Fields hit open j's when demar had to leave his man for help on Amare.
Derozans best asset right now is to score off the dribble andatatck the rim, thats why he is scoring 16-ppg off of 10-shots pergame. J-Nixon is right he cannot post up like Carter did, but he really doesnt play like Jefferson. His dribble is good stop saying his dribble is bad because that just isnt true. Carters game was not just about highlights, his game was not about 3 pointers at all in his first 3 seasons. DeMar Derozan is a better mid-range shooter then Carter was, and he gets to the rim pretty much whenever he wants too. Please watch a game before you try to tell me about his game because I know damn well none of you critics have watched him play a game this season. Lets see who the Raptors faced, NYK, CLE, SAC, UTAH. He played horrible in the New York game so thats why New York fans are sop down on him but that was the irst game of the season, and the team wasnt even ghiving him the ball in comfortable situations. The rest of the games I kno none of you watched, so stop talking about it like you know. He really is nothing like Jefferson just by that anyone who says he is hasnt watched him. Tonight should be an interesting one as he is matched up against his idol Kobe Bryant when he goes home to LA. Toronto should get blown out so look for Derozan to get big minutes and show his talent.
"For instance his shot is probally money in a more comfortable enviroment like practice, or a scrimmage, but in an Nba game he isnt comfortable or used to shooting from 3 consistantly. "
so your saying he cant shoot right?
I really question if you've ever seen Richard Jefferson play. Or Vince Carter for that matter. He 100% plays NOTHING like Vince Carter. He does play exactly like a young Richard Jefferson though.
Also, I didn't say his ball-handling was "bad". I said it was "mediocre at best". He's putting up 16 ppg on 10 shots because he scores in transition alot and because he can get to the rim and finish on limited touches. He's a guy who scores in basic ways within the flow of an offense. I guarantee he won't score 16 ppg on 10 shots when the season ends though, so brag about that while you can.
"Tonight should be an interesting one as he is matched up against his idol Kobe Bryant when he goes home to LA. Toronto should get blown out so look for Derozan to get big minutes and show his talent."
Yeah, that does sound interesting. Predicting a blowout and meaningless stats. I just have to watch this game! You compare him to Vince Carter, then in the same paragraph predict a blowout and then look to brag about the pointless stats that come with that blowout. What sense does that make? Just admit you've overrating his growth and ability and lets move on with life.
I really want to watch Derozan play a few times now, see how good he really is.
He's decent. He's for damn sure not the next Vince Carter though. Derozan's athleticism is soooooo overhyped that it's not even funny.
He uses his athleticism to his advantage and attacks the rim alot, and also has a decent mid range game, sounds alot like richard jefferson. If he can just become more consistent with his play he could potentially be a 18-20 ppg scorer this season but i doubt it.
I watched every Raptor game last year Derozan is not at all like Vince Carter, only comparions is athletic 2-guards. Derozan is way too raw on the offensive end to be as good as Vince. However he could develop to be a very good player with his youth and athleticism. His game has improved alot this summer, His jumpshot is good and he may have a good shot he is not confident with his 3 point shooting therefore he cannot be a good shooter. Derozan could become a solid 2nd option on a contending team if the Raptors ever improve or find a viable franchise player who will not leave Toronto.
J-Nixon, Jefferson played stretches at PF for the Nets whle Kidd was there. Derozan will never do that. I said Derozansdoesnt have nearly the athletic abillity as Carter. Carters game used to be getting to the rim and hitting mid ranged shots. Thats what Derozan does, and he does it well. Derozans athletisism is overhyped, well his body control is undehyped. So is his jumpshot, his handles, footspe, poise, consistancy, ball IQ and alot of things. He will probally ruggle against Kobe like everyone does but still the young man has plenty of upside. 15-ppg 4-rpg 2-apg .7-spg and .5-bpg should be a good marke for this season although he isnt Jefferson or Carter. Please read what I said initially I used carter as a base for a comparison, never said hes that kind of an athlete at all. Im sick of arguing with you guys, how can you compare him to someone who was a hybrid forward and never played SG.
Landry Fields did not outplay Derozan, Fields hit open j's when demar had to leave his man for help on Amare.
Uhh, no he didn't. Amare was usually double teamed by Bargs/Evans or Evans/Kelzia combo for most of that game.
come on he's only 21 give him some time, a lot of greats have come out of college at 23, so if in 2 years Demar is putting up what Vince was we can talk. Vince wouldn't have put up 18 a game as a freshman out of college. And if Demar had stayed in college for 3 years he would probably be a top 5 pick.
Landry outplayed Derozan period. Not on the offensive end, Fields just stuck open jumpers, but he gaurded Derozan and held him to a horrible percentage.
Sorry guys Derozan just shot horribly tonight. That was the worst ive ever seen Demar shoot in my life. He usually nails those midrange jumpers but it just wasnt falling tonight, probally because he was in his hometown, playing in the staples center. He showed a good game thou and played well other than missing about 10 jumpers.
He doesnt have Vince Carter's basketball IQ,1 on 1 skills or strength ..He goes thru long periods of being invisible,cant create his own shot and he's a poor ball handler which limits his ability to score..But he does move well without the ball..Which sometimes allows him to get easy baskets..He'll be much better playing with a great point guard...If he can improve his ball handling skills that will make him a much better player...That will allow him to get to his favorite spots on the floor...
He only scored tonight when he created his owne shot so you dont knwo what your talking about lol. Good try thou.
Receiving an alley oop is not creating your own shot..lol