I know he may be on a losing team but why isn't anyone talking about how consistent he's been with his scoring the last past 2 seasons with him almost averaging 20ppg this year.
I went to the Clippers Raptors game on Sunday and was very impressed with his development. His shot looks better and he seems to be asserting himself when needed without forcing it too much. I thought he was overpaid this last summer and I'm happy to see him eat my words.
DeMar is a player that can get to the rack when he wants, its just that he needs to work on his outside shot because he shoots 30% from 3
is not like doing it for a good team. His consistency is nice, but he is a shooting guard that teams want to shoot. He is a third or fourth option on a good team.
I'd have to disagree.. I watch every raps game and up until this year I would have agreed with your assessment. However, this year he has taken some major strides and is really playing within himself. While I don't see him ever being a number one on a winning team, I definitely think he could be a solid number 2/3 option. His game is really developing this year and I don't think playing on the raps is doing his scoring any favors. Every defense is keying in entirely on Demar because with bargnani playing so bad, there is noone else on the raps who can consistently score.
Lowry, after starting off crazy hot, has not been playing particularily well and he doesn't get others involved nearly enough.
Derozan has taken on a huge scoring burden and he definitely is not ready for that quite yet. He has looked good though and that new contract isn't looking nearly as bad as it did a month ago. He is also playing a bit better D, and rebounding more/getting more assists than previous years
But Demar is playing extremely well as a 1st option so far, evident in his recent games, when Lowry disappears, or Bargnani shows his non-existent game, he is the only one playing hard on both sides of the floor and creating. Demar would also average more than he is now if his team would defer to him more in the 3rd and 4th quarter, especially in the Portland game, where Pietrus and Gray basically shot more than Derozan. You have to give him mad props for actually being efficient even though he still has a shaky 3pter, gets mauled when he goes to the paint, and gets consistently forced to create or gets doubled.
I'll answer this posters question with a few questions of my own.
How many other teams in the NBA do you think Derozan would start for?
How many other statistical categories does Derozan help the Raps in?
How efficiently does Derozan get his 20ppg?
How clutch has he been?
Does he make teammates better?
Is he a lock down defender?
When he has the ball in his hands do you feel confident watching him, or are you thinking "this could go either way"?
Derozan reminds me of Bargs in a way. Yeah they can score...sorta, (Volume is never a useful way to get your 20) but they contribute so little in every other aspect of the game on both offense and defense they're disappointments across the board.
Granted... Derozan has improved this season. I'll give you that. He's becoming a decent player. DECENT. No where near the value of his contract. If the Raps are very, incredibly lucky, by the 4th year of Derozans deal he might have an outside shot in hell of playing like an 11 million dollar a year player. I wouldn't count on it though.
DeRozan and Bargs are 6th (I'm being generous) men on 80% of the other teams in the league and they're being paid over 10 mil per. How the heck does Toronto ever expect to field a championship team when you hamstring your cap like that? Does Bargs even know what a dumbell looks like? Then there's Johnson, Klieza and Fields. Thats 5 guys not worth their contracts...and if they were signed to realistic "market" deals the Raps would have tons of cap space to be able to absorb deals in trades like OKC has done so often.
SORRY...KINDA WENT OFF ABIT.
I'm just so disappointed in Colangelo, the very thought of my beloved Raps irritate me now.
A monkey could have manged the Raps exactly the same way Colangelo has all this time. Its so ridiculous. Its the Silver tongue I tell ya. Colangelo could sell ice cubes to eskimos. I heard he's FINALLY open to trading Bargs. Talk about selling low on that one. I don't think there's a GM in the league who wants an unathletic slightly above average SF (yeah I said it, SF!) who is allergic to rebounding, physical play, going strong to the rim, has no post moves, no counter moves and can't dribble, can't cut, can't sprint, can't Jump. The only thing Bargs does is shoot...slightly above average. Nothing spectacular. He's a guy you could replace with a D league player IMO.
i got laughed at a few years back when i told my friends the guy would avg 20 ppg at sometime in his career. feelin so good these days lmao. for the ppl saying how inefficient he is...yes sometimes he takes more shots than he needs to, but watch the games please. you will see that hes not just jacking up points...he constantly drives into the paint and takes a lot of contact but doesnt get that "superstar treatment"...yeah maybe he doesnt deserve it yet but then again if he isnt getting those calls in the first place hows he going to earn it? he should be getting to the line so much more than he is...the refs have something against the raptors or they just dont give a crap about them. the fouls i watch called on harden are a hell lot softer than the no calls on demar thats the truth. the kids got game and i hope he hasnt peaked yet and will only get better.
also a big improvement is his consistency in getting to the rack whereas last year he would settle for the jumper after missing one shot in the paint.
Demar is a pig scorer on a bad team. Remenber when Nick Young averaged 17 ppg on the Wiz and some people thought he could develop into one of the top SG's in the league. Then you see him play for a team like the Clippers and Sixers which hold players more accountable for their mental lapse and he barely can score over 10 ppg.
Demar doesn't average 20 right now he averages 18.5 while playing nearly 40 minutes every game and he's far from an efficient scorer right now. He does get to the foul line which is his best attribute but oddly enough for a player with his level athleticism he's not a very good finisher at the rim. A fact that is more alarming when you consider he's a terrible 3 point shooter.
Let's face it, Derozan isn't a good rebounder, he's a bad defender, and he starts at guard yet averages more fouls a game then assists. He still has a long way to go to become a complete basketball player.
How many people would take Derozan over Evan Turner? I know a lot of people because DD get's a ton of dunks and scores more. Yet when you take a closer look you realize that Turner like Demar is the best player on their team whose not the starting PG and yet Turner's team is winning. Why?
woah easy there, turner being the beswt player on the sixers? what? the guy is shooting terribly their carry is their defense and jrue holiday. Turner is definitely a better rebounder than derozan and playmaker but defensively they both need a lot of work. i just dont see how the sixers winning and the raptors not has anything to do with the two guys...
1. doug collins is one hell of a coach
2. sixers were a playoff team last year
3. raptors just have terrible defense thats not just attributable to one player but the entire team
4. lack of ability to close out games and give the ball to their best players rather that pietrus and stupid bargs
5. when the raptors and sixers went head to head, turner did not kill them but their team defense did and more so nick youngs fluke threes.
also yeah nick young only avged 10ppg on the clippers but you cant ask for the same production with less minutes...? i also dont think you can compare nick young with derozan...nick young relies heavily on his outside shot whereas derozan does the opposite and you know which is more efficient
Teams give guys like Demar what the Raptors gave him. Mistake. We have lockouts because teams do what they did with Derozan. Over pay completly.
Give Demar credit here. He has improved every year he has been on the team and is still only what, 22/23? There are a lot of players at his level that never really get any further, but Demar will not be one of them. He works harder in the gym and the offseason than most guys in the league.
Yes, his team stinks right now, but I don't see the issue there. He's getting lots of playing time, and has not lost his work ethic.
The only issue I have with his game right now is that he holds the ball too long on most posessions. Never just gets the pass and moves it on to the the next guy. He always takes at least 3 or 4 dribbles. Then decides what to do. He has proven he can create his own shot in the half court, but I'd say he does have an impact on how the overall team offence tends to just stall fairly often. This I would put on Casey as much as Demar though.