Deandre Jordan, Andrew Bynum, Hasheem Thabeet, BJ Mullens...
Rank them 1-4 in terms of their future nba careers.
im biased but i think:
1. Deandre Jordan
reasoning: bynum is too soft imo. he does not attack the basket usually. jordan on the other hand always does. also, bynum has been injury prone thus far. jordan has been working extremely hard this summer even tho everyone claims he has a bad work ethic. he posted his workout schedule activities on his blog and they look crazy intense. people said he would not reach his potential because of his work ethic but if he proves that wrong, i think he can do it and be better than bynum. thabeet on the other hand along with mullens i see being busts because thabeet looks worse than DJ on offense after 3 years at UCONN and mullens looks bad in most areas in the game.
bynum is 2 soft he aint do shit 4 lakers
I agree that Bynum didn't do much for the Lakers in the playoffs. All in all though, I'd still rather have him. I don't see the Lakers trading Bynum straight up for Jordan even if the salary cap allowed them to do so. Of course am just talking about Jordan here...some other package may get him moved.
bynum isnt soft he juss use alot of caution
which is bad for a big man in traffic...
1. Andrew Bynum (Soft, maybe. Overpaid, definitely. But he is a proven post player and he works hard.)
2. Hasheem Thabeet (Not too tough, but better on both sides of the court than Jordan.)
3. DeAndre Jordan (You're right, you are biased. But he did have some nice games last season.)
4. BJ Mullens (The team that drafts him would be lucky to get what the Clippers got from Jordan last season. Jordan also has more potential.)
That was unbiased.
We need to contextualize them in light of their teams. Bynum is currently not playing well, but its for an NBA champion team. Jordan, as well as he seems to be playing, is doing so for a lottery team. I think we need to look further at impressive stats if they are garnered while playing for bad teams since these stats are misleading.
This post actually got my interest in checking out Jordan's rookie year. In January 2009, there was a Lakers-Clippers game that featured Jordan starting at center in lieu of injured starters Marcus Camby and Chris Kaman. In a 9 point loss, he played 43 minutes, hit 11 of 12 field goals, scored 23 points with 12 rebounds and 4 blocks. Quite impressive initially, but not when you realize that against him in the same game, Bynum had 42 points, 15 rebounds, and 3 blocks.
bynum = 4 years, DJ = 1.
in DJ's 4th year...
also, DJ has a great blog so that could put him over bynum :)
Am getting intrigued by DJ's blog. Where can I see it?
Bynum looked great prior to getting injured in each of the past 2 years. When he came back, his innefectiveness was as much to do with the Lakers already having a set rotation as much as it did with his rustyness. He is still only gonna be 21 years old when he begins his fifth nba season next year. Jordan won't be close when it is all said and done.
^ ur a laker fan. ur biased. u probably think bynum has a chance at being better than dwight.
bynum's problems is injury
we've seen the last 2 years when he is not injured he's pretty much a top 5 center at 15 points, 9 rebounds and 2 blocks
thabeet i put him 2 because he improves every year, he's only been playing basketball for like 6 years and he improves every year at only 21 that's good and plus i'm expecting him to be mutumbo, who only averaged 10 points a game his whole career but gave you 11 rebounds and 3 blocks
jordan can surpass both if he's gets better defenisvely and his offensive talent could end up being the best behind howard for a center
mullens=bust, i'm thinking a more athletic rasho nesterovic or as stephen a. smith calls him "A PETRIFIED PUPPY"
I am a Laker fan, but that is how I really feel biased or not. Don't be mad because you root for LA's JV squad. I'm sure the Clippers will be better then the Lakers any day now, lol.
1. jordan- not nearly injured as much as bynum, has alot of potential to one day become a better tyson chandler
2. bynum- athletic, but he's soft and he gets injured to much
3. thabeet- great shotblocker and defensive presence. his offense needs polishing though
4. mullens- darko milicic 2.0
Has the most potential of the 4...
Bynum is cool, but I tend to think the opposite when a player plays with the GREATEST in the game today... Its easy to get your points and put backs when you are the 4th option on the floor... Plus he cries too much for me... DJ Played behind 2 centers last year, so his effectiveness was shot... And Bynum in his first year in the league was horrible... The only great thing about him was the dunk versus Shaq... People act like Bynum dominates... Last year he scored mostly off of Kobe's oops... This year you could go to him in the post somewhat, but I would be a beast if I worked with Kareem... Just saying he might be a little over rated to me...
Thabeet hasn't played a lick yet, so you have no clue what he's going to do...
Mullens has the 2nd most potential, but he's more of a bust than surefire... At least the other three have some heart, this guy has horrible work ethic..... Think Kwame Brown mindset.....
1. Jordan - Has a lot of potential & talent, but his worth ethic is suspect. It's why he didn't do anything major at Texas A&M. It'll take more than talent to help him reach his potential. I think he will. He's a beast... Just needs to work on fundamentals, gain experience, etc.
2. Bynum - I like Bynum, but he has the luxury of playing on a great team. It's kind of like this argument I got into w/ this dude at work the other day... He tried to tell me that Courtney Lee was better than Eric Gordon. I said, "Imagine if Gordon got to play w/ D12." That's how it is w/ Bynum. He has the luxury of playing w/ Kobe & being the 4th, sometimes 5th option on his team.
3. Thabeet - I'm not sure about him. He'll be a solid defender, but he's soft. He's not an offensive player. I just don't know what he's going to do, so we'll have to wait & see.
4. Mullens - I'd say he's 1st or 2nd as far as potential because he can do so many things well, BUT I hear his work ethic is terribe. The talent is there, but mentally wise... He's in the toilet.
DJ is working extremely hard this offseason to improve his game and his conditioning. i posted the workout he does that posted on his blog on this forum already. now if the clippers can hire a big man coach like hakeem or someone not being used currently.
dj isnt even on bynums level..hes hasnt proved anything other then hey im a 6'11 guy that can dunk and block shots sometimes...right now bynum is better case closed..clippers fans are so funny..all i ever hear is wait till this time or that time...just like the team dj has a long way to go before putting up bynms numbers ..as far as mullins and bj..neither cant even be in the disscussion yet untill they play a nba...its funny how people tend to have a lesser opnion of a player from what they have done recently..case in point bynum..people tend to forget how good he was playing before his injury...and i wouldnt call him injury prone..those were injuries that most people would have if someone fell full forces into there leg
While DJ may have more potential, I still don't see the Lakers trading Bynum for Jordan on a one on one deal even without cap restrictions. I doubt any GM now would. Maybe things change in a year or so, but not right now.
The post wasn't about the present... It was about the future. Bynum is clearly better now (he has a few years under his belt & now a ring), but I think DJ has the potential to be better in a few years.
- I don't care how they happened... You can't discount the fact that Bynum has had two knee injuries. You've got to add that in there. DJ hasn't had any injuries & his athleticism is off the charts. All he needs is experience & playing time. Even when Bynum was healthy, he didn't attack the basket nor REBOUND like DJ does!
- DJ showed a lot of promise in his rookie season, while being the 3rd-4th center on the depth chart. You have to think that playing against Marcus Camby, Chris Kaman & Zach Randolph everyday in practice is helping him. Remember how Jermaine O'Neal was burried on the bench in Portland behind Rasheed Wallace, Brian Grant, etc? This situation reminds me of that.
Healthy Bynum did'nt attack the basket or rebound even when he was healthy? You should go back and check out some of his games. He was dominating Amare Stoudemire every time they played 2 years ago and this year, as someone already mentioned, Bynum dropped 40 and 15 on DJordan. If he stays healthy, he can be a top 2 or 3 center in this league. I'm not sure why anyone would be willing to make that prediction on Jordan at this point.
I can't believe people are actually listing DeAndre Jordan as the who will have the best careers of the 4.
he's by far the 4th player on this list.
I'd call DJ a poor mans Dwight Howard but thats not even true, he's a broke man's Dwight Howard. He has yet to show any type of real offensive game, hasn't been good on the other end of the floor either.
you can say what you want about BJ Mullens, but BJ actually has offensive game. BJ Mullens actually can score without dunking the basketball, he can play the pick and pop or the pick and roll game.
here's your list.
1. Hasheen Thabeet. will never be an offensive player but will always be a dangerous presence on the defense end of the court and rebounding.
2. Andrew Bynum
3. BJ Mullens
4. DeAndre Jordan
I see Deandre Jordan being a good player but as far as years go he's only 9 months younger than Bynum. Plus Bynum has not had any major knee injuries, the first one, it was precaution to keep him out and the rotation was set. This year he came back but he was rusty and his knee was not 100% percent but he wanted to come back to help win the championship. Next year is the big year for Bynum, he will either be a better version of Brad Daugherty or slightly better Michael Olawankandi. Thabeet will be solid and Mullens is most likely a bust who has the potential to be an all-star.
Most Potential: Deandre Jordan
Biggest chance to be a bust: Bj Mullens
Best Defensive Player: Hasheem Thabeet
Most Skilled: Andrew Bynum
The best Value pick: Deandre Jordan he's only going to cost you under $800,000 and by the time you have to pay him the cba will be up and if he isn't an elite player you'll probably only have to pay him 8 mil, while players like Kwamay Brown got 9 for his second contract in past years.
Lol you're failing to mention who Bynum was playing against when he dropped 42 pts, 15 rebs & 3 blks vs the Clippers. Marcus Camby, Chris Kaman & Zach Randolph didn't play. The starting front-court for the Clippers was DJ (only 2nd career start), Brian Skinner (BRIAN SKINNER) & Al Thornton. Steve Novak was their backup power forward off of the bench. Bynum was SUPPOSED to have a huge game lol.
IN MY OPINION, what DJ did was more impressive considering he did his damage vs Pau Gasol & Bynum. I mean, 23 pts, 12 rebs & 4 blks in only his 2nd career start... vs the Lakers? Did you see how he was man handling/dunking over Gasol? Maybe you're not impressed, but Kobe sure was.
Before Bynums 1st knee injury, he was playing like he could eventually be one of the top 2 or 3 centers in the league. He was attacking the basket & the glass. Since then, not so much. Even before his 2nd knee injury, he wasn't attacking the basket, rebounding or playing D like he should.
I don't understand how people can say Bynum isn't injury proned. He's played 85 games the last 2 seasons. I can guarantee you that the Lakers wish they didn't re-sign him for as much as they did, especially this summer when they are faced w/ having to re-sign Lamar Odom & Trevor Ariza. Bynum just finished his 4th season. I think that by Jordan's 4th season, he will be better.
imagine in 3 years: Griffin + Jordan Frontcourt and Baron, Gordon, Thornton backcourt!
Lol would Dunleavy still be coaching the team?
1 year left on his contract so...
Bynum had more then one impressive game if you are gonna base his 42 and 15 as unimpressive. I don't think the Lakers regret resigning him at all. He will be more important than either Odom or Ariza within 3 years. Like I said, he will be 21 when next season starts, and he has shown more potential then everybody on this list. As long as the injuries don't continue, I would think he will have a fantastic career. So if you think him torching Jordan was unimpressive and made Jordan look more impressive, then I really don't know how to respond to that, lol.
Every player says they work hard in the offseason. I'm not convinced he is the player you all think he is.
Let's do some more ranking!
Gerald Green has more potential than Eric Gordon.
That was a joke but you get my point.
llperez: the impressive thing about DJ's stats vs. Bynum was that he scored 23 points off of mostly putbacks and alley-oops. if he can score 23 with just garbage points, how many will he score when he gets more of an offensive game? bynum should have not allowed 23 points to DJ. it was his poor rebounding that game that gave DJ so many opportunities. sure he got 15, but he could have had much more. considering his 4 years of nba time, he has more strength than DJ. however, in 4 years jordan will have more strength and therefore will not allow such good position on the block to bynum. In 4 years, DJ will have great strength which will allow him to be a very good defender. 4th year DJ would not give up those easy buckets to Bynum, but 4th year bynum would give up those putbacks with poor rebounding to 4th year DJ because he did so against 1st year DJ and because he is soft and therefore will not rebound as well as DJ will in the future.
watch this video of DJ's big game vs. lakers
All I saw was uncontested dunks, and you know why? The same reason the Bobcats swept the Lakers, because the Lakers don't always play hard defense against scrub teams. Besides, I could make anyone look like a stud if I just post a highlight video of theirs.
dude, respond to my post above the video.
1. Hasheem Thabeet- As much as I am not really a fan of his offensive game I have to admit that he is a defensive game changer and that usually translates from the college game to the pro game. I think he will become a defensive star in the league even though he may never average more than 13 points in a season during his career.
2. Andrew Bynum- He is soft and gets injured way too much. When he is healthy he does flash massive potential. I believe that if he was less injury prone and wasnt on a team were he is pretty much the fourth option behind Kobe, Gasol, and Odom he would be a star.
3. BJ Mullens- I dont really think he will be a successful player in the NBA unless he gets drafted by the right team. If he goes to a team in the lottery like the Bobcats for example I dont think he will thrive because he wont get as many touches and will battle for rebounds with Okafor. However if he went to a team like the pistons or bulls he could thrive because he would have little company in the post for the pistons or would have Rose feeding him if he went to the bulls and would sort of turn out like a Chris Kaman type player before Randolph and Camby showed up to steal all of his touches.
4. Deandre Jordan- I love his potential. Hes a big, strong, athletic freak. However, he is on a team with Chris Kaman, Zach Randolph, and Marcus Camby and happens to be buried on his own teams depth chart. Throw in the addition of Griffin during the draft and he will most likely be getting no touches. The best situation for him would be to get traded to another team but unless that happens he will most likely be a bust.
Mullens might be a tough player to coach in the NBA. He was very hard to coach in college, as he wouldnt listen to his coach and he wouldnt play 100%. I think an NBA coach will have a problem with him down the road.
if thas the case then you also have to take into account djs bad work ethic just liek you take into account bynums injuries dj has a very long way to go..right now all he has is athletism cuz his post game is novice and below...id take bynum now and in the future...also with jermaine oneal the coaches always talked about how much of a good work ethic he had..with jordan coachs from hs to college to even a assitant with the clippers said he needs to work on his work ethic..another thing is jermaine oneal had some post movies ..dj doesnt ...im just not someone whos gonna crown someone just because they are athletic but doesnt bring a hard work ethic
jordan is a mullens clone. Neither of them started in college. both will be secound round picks.
you gotta understand that clippers is gonna be biased with clipper players there for you cant really get in a disscussion with him about dj ...or gordan for that matter so dont try..also ..every players says they work hard in the off season so you cant use that as some kinda proof that the player will be much better the next year...bad habits and bad work ethics tend to stick with you and for the most part dont really change..i agreed with youre post CavsDawg up untill you said bj has shown or has more offense...i cant agree with that yet because the only offense he has showed was against highschool kids which im guessing most werent as tall or strong as him..in his year at ohio state he didnt show great offense and he was pretty lazy out there alot of times...he does have potential but is he ever gonna live up to it or coast...from what hes shown the percentages are greater for the downside
i'm talking about what BJ Mullens and his ability to shoot the ball. BJ mullens gives you a center who can run the pick and roll or the pick and pop. he's got great form on his shot, in terms of big men in this draft, he's one of the best shooters
oooooh..yeah but i still cant agree with that because hes the best shooter in workouts maybe but he doesnt show it during the games which is what i base a player off of more then workouts..which alot of people on here tend to base peoples( case in point..holiday or anyone else they read had a good workout against there own shadow)